Comments on: Another big speech for Obama http://online.worldmag.com/2008/12/05/another-big-speech-for-obama/ A forum for discussion of news that arises at the intersection of Christianity and culture. Sat, 20 Mar 2010 23:35:03 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Dav http://online.worldmag.com/2008/12/05/another-big-speech-for-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-376807 Dav Sun, 07 Dec 2008 13:28:47 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=18255#comment-376807 # 2, 5, 10 ... wow! Exactly right. 1000% home run. Who can argue with that? For my two cents' worth, I believe that if Obama chooses to make a major American policy speech on the grounds of a country that nationally worships a religion that commands its followers to kill us, it can only be seen as an act of appeasement. Definition of appeasement: feeding the 'gator so it eats you last. # 2, 5, 10 … wow! Exactly right. 1000% home run.
Who can argue with that?
For my two cents’ worth, I believe that if Obama chooses to make a major American policy speech on the grounds of a country that nationally worships a religion that commands its followers to kill us, it can only be seen as an act of appeasement.
Definition of appeasement: feeding the ‘gator so it eats you last.

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]]> By: drill http://online.worldmag.com/2008/12/05/another-big-speech-for-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-376752 drill Sun, 07 Dec 2008 02:02:49 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=18255#comment-376752 RPN: Yeah, but California is not under Sharia Law. Yet. London is better. RPN: Yeah, but California is not under Sharia Law. Yet. London is better.

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]]> By: buddyglass http://online.worldmag.com/2008/12/05/another-big-speech-for-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-376557 buddyglass Sat, 06 Dec 2008 05:52:47 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=18255#comment-376557 RPN: Wiki says California is only 1% Muslim. Your numbers for the U.K. match up with what I found online, though. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_California#Religion RPN: Wiki says California is only 1% Muslim. Your numbers for the U.K. match up with what I found online, though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_California#Religion

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]]> By: Night Train http://online.worldmag.com/2008/12/05/another-big-speech-for-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-376546 Night Train Sat, 06 Dec 2008 04:23:25 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=18255#comment-376546 <blockquote>Drill, The UK is only about 2.8% Muslim, whereas California is 3.4% Maybe Obama speaks at USC?</blockquote> LMBO! I see RPN is still keepin' it real!

Drill,

The UK is only about 2.8% Muslim, whereas California is 3.4%

Maybe Obama speaks at USC?

LMBO! I see RPN is still keepin’ it real!

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]]> By: CoyoteBlue http://online.worldmag.com/2008/12/05/another-big-speech-for-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-376544 CoyoteBlue Sat, 06 Dec 2008 04:11:37 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=18255#comment-376544 It's a smart FP move to outreach to the majority of Muslims who are not terrorists and show them another side of America. The key to winning the war on terror is to make terrorism unacceptable globally. That is an ideological task. Military operations can only do so much. The battle must be won with hearts and minds. It’s a smart FP move to outreach to the majority of Muslims who are not terrorists and show them another side of America. The key to winning the war on terror is to make terrorism unacceptable globally. That is an ideological task. Military operations can only do so much. The battle must be won with hearts and minds.

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]]> By: buddyglass http://online.worldmag.com/2008/12/05/another-big-speech-for-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-376521 buddyglass Sat, 06 Dec 2008 02:39:57 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=18255#comment-376521 I'm a little reticent to tell Muslims who and who isn't a good Muslim. I mean, I could lift passages out of context from the Old Testament that would paint Jews as bent on the destruction non-Jews. The fact remains that the majority of Muslims either don't take those verses literally, or flat out reject them. So maybe the majority of Muslims aren't good Muslims. We can just talk about "people who call themselves Muslims" then. Like this guy: http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/11/afghanistans_korengal_valley.html (Pictures #30 and #31). I’m a little reticent to tell Muslims who and who isn’t a good Muslim. I mean, I could lift passages out of context from the Old Testament that would paint Jews as bent on the destruction non-Jews. The fact remains that the majority of Muslims either don’t take those verses literally, or flat out reject them. So maybe the majority of Muslims aren’t good Muslims. We can just talk about “people who call themselves Muslims” then. Like this guy:

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/11/afghanistans_korengal_valley.html

(Pictures #30 and #31).

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]]> By: Chas http://online.worldmag.com/2008/12/05/another-big-speech-for-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-376505 Chas Sat, 06 Dec 2008 02:04:15 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=18255#comment-376505 BuddyGlass: Many Americans of various faiths have died for their country. Each one should be honored as such. However, A Muslim who is friendly with kafirs is not a good Muslim. Sura 3:14 O ye who have believed! Form not intimacies among others than yourselves. Etc. Sura 4:91: They desire that you should be infidels as they are infidels, and that ye should be alike. Take therefore none of them for friends, till they have fled their homes for the cause of God. If they turn back, then seize them , and slay them wherever ye find them; but take none of them for friends or helpers. 4:102 Verily, the infidels are your undoubted enemies! Sura 9:30 “The Jews say Ezra is the son of God”; and the Christians say “The Messiah is a son of God”. Such the sayings in their mouths! They resemble the sayings of the infidels of old! Do battle with them! 9:70, O prophet! Contend with the infidels and the hypocrites, and be rigorous with them. … 9:123 Believers! Wage war against such of the infidels who are your neighbors, and let them find you rigorous; and know that God is with those who fear him. Etc. BuddyGlass:

Many Americans of various faiths have died for their country. Each one should be honored as such. However, A Muslim who is friendly with kafirs is not a good Muslim.
Sura 3:14 O ye who have believed! Form not intimacies among others than yourselves. Etc.
Sura 4:91: They desire that you should be infidels as they are infidels, and that ye should be alike. Take therefore none of them for friends, till they have fled their homes for the cause of God. If they turn back, then seize them , and slay them wherever ye find them; but take none of them for friends or helpers.
4:102 Verily, the infidels are your undoubted enemies!
Sura 9:30 “The Jews say Ezra is the son of God”; and the Christians say “The Messiah is a son of God”. Such the sayings in their mouths! They resemble the sayings of the infidels of old! Do battle with them!
9:70, O prophet! Contend with the infidels and the hypocrites, and be rigorous with them. …
9:123 Believers! Wage war against such of the infidels who are your neighbors, and let them find you rigorous; and know that God is with those who fear him.
Etc.

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]]> By: buddyglass http://online.worldmag.com/2008/12/05/another-big-speech-for-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-376482 buddyglass Sat, 06 Dec 2008 00:38:32 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=18255#comment-376482 Mecca would seem to be more symbolic, though its not the capitol of any one nation. For Chas #2: Not true. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A44563-2004Jun15.html Mecca would seem to be more symbolic, though its not the capitol of any one nation.

For Chas #2:

Not true.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A44563-2004Jun15.html

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]]> By: Ree http://online.worldmag.com/2008/12/05/another-big-speech-for-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-376474 Ree Sat, 06 Dec 2008 00:19:02 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=18255#comment-376474 <i>He will either displease me or disappoint those who elected him. </i> My guess is both. He will either displease me or disappoint those who elected him.

My guess is both.

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]]> By: kBells http://online.worldmag.com/2008/12/05/another-big-speech-for-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-376464 kBells Fri, 05 Dec 2008 23:01:50 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=18255#comment-376464 6. I accept that he was legally elected and I will respect his position as President of the United States, but my opinion of his policies have not changed. He will either displease me or disappoint those who elected him. 6. I accept that he was legally elected and I will respect his position as President of the United States, but my opinion of his policies have not changed. He will either displease me or disappoint those who elected him.

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