Let’s give it back to the pagans
“There’s no underestimating the intelligence of the American public,” H.L. Mencken is reported to have said. That may well be true, but there’s certainly no underestimating the propensity of educated but unwise urbanites to transform holidays into bacchanalia. The latest such effort is SantaCon, a drunken party where attendees wear cheap red outfits reminiscent of Santa Claus. And it is spreading to more and more cities each year. “Think Burning Man with a little eggnog thrown in and you’re starting to get the picture,” explained a hip NPR reporter to her hip listeners. The purpose of SantaCon, depending on whom you ask, turns on making Christmas less … something: less commercial, less traditional, less stuffy, less virginal, less sober.
Before it was Christmas, the popular understanding goes, this holiday was a pagan winter celebration. It’s not altogether clear that this is true; Pope Benedict XVI argues that December 25 is simply what you get when you add nine months to March 25, the Feast of the Annunciation. Whether by intention or serendipity or something else altogether, Christians appropriated the pagan winter celebrations the way a company might buy out a competitor, keeping the location to which everyone was accustomed but gradually getting folks to think of it as having different significance.
While we seized the ground, we didn’t hold it. We succeeded in supplanting the pagan holiday, but we didn’t rid ourselves of the pagans. Instead, a good many of us joined in, gradually helping to associate Christmas with over-consumption, drunken revelry, and self-centered celebration. One can’t help but wonder if Christ would just as soon have us call what America now celebrates something else, something that doesn’t invoke his name. In this I find myself increasingly on the side of the grievance-minded and the anti-Christians—let’s publicly call this big event the “Happy Holidays,” or “Winter Festival,” or even “Saturnalia,” and stop—for the love of God—calling it Christmas. Maybe we could revert to the time of Roman persecution and quietly celebrate the birth of Christ in our churches and homes, in the hope that Christmas—Christ Mass—becomes once again something holy, and not just another excuse to live like Roman emperors.




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Christmas really ought to be the celebration of the Nativity of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ in the flesh. The ancient Church led up to this advent by prescribing 40 days of prayer fasting in which one came face to face with one’s own weaknesses and temptations and strengthened one’s self against them– a mini-Lent, if you will. The celebration of Christmas, then, became truly a joyous and momentous occasion that carried through right up until the celebration of Christ’s Baptism in the Jordan (or, in the West, the coming of the wise men). The culture that surrounds us makes it very difficult for us to hold out against the Santacons of the world, let alone to re-establish the Christian calendar. I grew up in a household in which my father rejected Christmas altogether– not for Puritanical reasons having to do with “Romish inventions” but simply because he despised his memories of having to buy gifts for someone he didn’t even know simply because they had given him a gift.
I think that having children increases the pressure of X-mas exponentially. Our family has experimented with some ways to try to slow the onslaught, and I won’t say that they’ve been as successful as I might like.
1. Much of Europe celebrates the Feast of St. Nicholas (from whom Santa Claus originated about 100 years ago) with gift-giving in (dim) recollection of the generosity of one of the heroes of our Faith. We join in, thus shifting the “holiday gift-giving” emphasis back to December 6 and, hopefully, achieve less emphasis on material goods at actual Christmas-time. On St. Nicholas’ Day, we also take a shopping trip in which each person in the family is obligated to select an entire new outfit of clothing (from socks to coat) for a person of their own age and sex; this clothing, along with new blankets and an age-appropriate toy for each child are donated to a good local charity. This has become the highlight of the day for our children– much more so than receiving their gifts.
2. Ban Christmas music. My wife and kids are not so fond of this one– mainly because they like Christmas music and can’t get any of it on the radio during the real Christmas season (ie. after X-mas is over). We compromise by permitting Christmas music on weekends, given the traditionally joyous orientation of Saturdays and Sundays on the Christian calendar.
3. Fasting, prayer, and alms. Challenge ourselves, by God’s grace, to increase our ability to withstand temptation. Challenge ourselves, by God’s grace, to increase the expanse of our selfish hearts by giving to others. Did I say fasting, prayer, and alms?
4. Feasting. When Christmas comes, we head to Church. We celebrate the Nativity– and we don’t let up in our household until Theophany/Ephiphany. This means that the Christmas tree stays up until then, the manger scene in the front yard (placed there on Christmas Eve) stays out until then. Head to Church to celebrate the Lord’s circumcision on Jan. 1. Head back to Church to celebrate Theophany/Epiphany. Compile a bunch of Christmas music on CD and play nothing but for 12 days straight (believe me, you get far less tired of that than you do with the constant barrage from the radio from Thanksgiving until Christmas). We emphasize that this is the season for rejoicing, for Christ is born and our God is enfleshed.
Just some thoughts.
Give Christmas back? Never. Let ‘em have X-mas? They’ve already got it.
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Along with the fasting, prayer, and alms piece, too, goes giving up some “creature comforts,” attending Church more regularly, and avoiding “holiday parties” to the maximum extent possible (and, for those which are unavoidable, partaking only as minimally necessary). This is unpleasant for the socially minded, but whoever (other than Joel O’Steen and the like?) said that striving for holiness was supposed to be easy-street?
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I listen to NPR. Its one of the more clearly received stations in this area. But I’m not hip, and I resent any inference that I could ever be.
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Uhm. X-mas = Christmas.
That letter “X” is the Greek letter “Chi”, the first letter of the work Christos.
In any event you are right, the FIRST day of Christmas is December 25th, and your other ideas on observing Advent as a time of preparation seem really good, if hard to do!
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Christian Believers will celebrate Christmas in spite of what the rest of the world does, just as we celebrate Resurrection Sunday.
The Bible doesn’t tell us to celebrate these events (YES we DO NOT KNOW THE DATES) but lets not forget we aren’t told not to celebrate Christ’s birth or resurrection.
I’m sure the pagan world would love to see we the Church, discard Christmas and Resurrection Sunday, letting them Easter Bunny their way down the street laughing all the way to Santa’s pretend location. Has anyone ever realized that Santa has the EXACT same letters as Satan?
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Victoria does have a point, and I certainly understand the perspective of those Christians who don’t celebrate Christmas and Easter. Constantine instituted Christ”mass” as a way to make pagans comfortable in what was becoming a popular Christian society. It was proto-seeker sensitivity. Pagans celebrated the
emperor’s birthday every year, so people started doing the same with Christ.
I think one of the best arguments against Christmas is, if we are wrong about Christ’s birthday (He wasn’t born on Dec 25th, but in the autumn) how are pagans who we are witnessing to supposed to believe us about his resurrection? Everyone knows Christ was born and existed. But if he did, shouldn’t we be accurate about his birthday? And is he a common emperor whose birthday we are supposed to be celebrating? He’s not just another man, but the God-Man!
We celebrate the holidays
in our home, but I absolutely cannot stand Christmas programs in church. Keep your Christmas celebrations at home and with friends and family, if you feel the liberty to put up a tree, make goodies and decorations and give gifts. But don’t bring Christ’s birthday into it, because it’s dishonoring to him to celebrate his birthday. He’s infinite! And his incarnation was of a virgin, not just another birth of a baby. His incarnation and resurrection are to be celebrated every day!
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Christ’s birth, death and Resurrection changed law into grace. We cannot make claims to dates, ‘we do not know the dates of either’ but we do KNOW that they transpired, and thats the most IMPORTANT POINT –
To stand on a technical point such as two dates (birth – Resurrection) makes no sense, its the FACT they they both are REAL EVENTS, and we as Believers love celebrating them – even remembering them all year long as well.
Christ Jesus being the Son of GOD is infinite, but HE also came to this earth, being born of a woman. He does have a birthdate, even though HE is God the Son, that’s the whole point. Christ was always from ‘everlasting to everlasting’ however, once again we must realize HE came to this earth, making HIMSELF a bit lower than the angels to be born, and then die. The exact date doesn’t matter.
People will either believe in Christ as Savior or they won’t, it is up to them to decide – Celebrating Christmas will not turn the un-Believers away, they turn away by choice.
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I agree, but being wrong about his birthday doesn’t help our witness either.
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“Has anyone ever realized that Santa has the EXACT same letters as Satan? ”
Victoria,
Do you mean that as a joke? My wife and I have remarked in the past, that if you anagram Santa to Satan, and use the homophone Claws for Clause, then Santa Claus becomes Satan(’s) Claws! Very suspicious!
Of course, we know the anagram thing is all tongue-in-cheek, and we never say this in front of our daughter.
In reality, and we have been teaching this to our daughter, “Santa Claus” is a corruption of the Dutch “Sinterklaas” – who was derived from the very real Saint Nicholas. (There is a movie biography about St. Nicholas of Myra currently in production that I just found out about over the weekend.)
The real Saint Nicholas would probably have been the first to agree that as fun as Santa and the other things at this time of year are, the focus ought to be on Jesus and His incarnation and birth, and that is exactly where we try to keep it.
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I enjoy both the material aspects of Christmas with a well decorated and lit tree, the superb popular and classical Christmas music, the giving and receiving of thoughtful presents, and a few Christmas Holiday get togethers with close friends and family. Most of all I enjoy following the Advent calendar and services in our church that celebrate the birth of our Lord, the incarnate Son of God. I, also, give Advent calendars to my eight grandchildren who, believe it or not, tell me that they appreciate and follow the calendar.
I try not to be distracted by the commercial excesses and the moral purists who flagellate themselves about celebratory occasions, as my puritan ancestors did, in past years.
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Sorry for the awkwardness of style in the first para. above.
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Thomas – 9
Thank you for making the point, yes it is “tongue-in-cheek” -
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Bianca – I understand your concern about that, but I think there is a general understanding that we don’t take it literally that Dec. 25 is Jesus’ birthday, but that it is a date chosen to celebrate His arrival.
Peter – You expressed pretty much how we look at it – as a time to reflect on the spiritual aspect of the Christmas season, but also to enjoy some of the material aspects, in moderation.
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Bianca – 8
Christmas can be a time of ‘witness’ rather than believing the opposite. Those who might not ever think of Christ, or why HE came to earth, most likely will hear the real story of Christmas at some point, perhaps being invited to a Christian home for a gathering of friends – then observing how Believers choose to celebrate.
Christmas brings about many emotions in most people. There are a fair number of people (without Christ) who feel they are missing something, not just family and loved ones but a deep feeling of emptiness. It’s at this time of year we can reach out to those who might not listen otherwise, and offer friendship and how important Christ’s coming to earth was – and then sharing the great hope of believing on HIM who died for our sins. We can’t always measure what a kind and loving outreach to those who are lonely and lost might mean, but its at this time of year, we have the perfect occasion to show extra love and thoughtful expression to those who are lost.
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Peter – 10
We enjoy our tree’s as well. Last night we sat by the fireplace, looking at our tree, but most of all enjoying the beautiful music (great hymns of the past) we play often at the end of a busy day.
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Bianca- 6
You make two troubling assertions:
1. “Constantine instituted Christ”mass” as a way to make pagans comfortable in what was becoming a popular Christian society.” Please view the following link for a very solid and well-documented discussion of the appearance of the Feast of the Nativity : http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03724b.htm. Although the celebration of the Feast of the Nativity is a relatively late comer to the Church’s liturgical life, in no way can it be portrayed as an institution of Saint Constantine’s.
2. “. . . it’s dishonoring to him to celebrate his birthday. He’s infinite! And his incarnation was of a virgin, not just another birth of a baby. His incarnation and resurrection are to be celebrated every day!” Although I do not disagree with your last statement, the fact that we should daily find joy in Christ’s incarnation and resurrection does not for a moment invalidate the celebration of either of these events on special days set aside for their commemoration. If this was so, we must condemn the Apostles for observing Sundays and Pascha as special commemorations of Christ’s resurrection. Far from being dishonoring, a celebration of God being born as man is completely appropriate– the angels themselves sang with joy for us. If the following discourse on the celebration of the Feast of the Nativity is somehow dishonoring, I’m quite perplexed to know what could be honoring: http://www.orthodox.net/nativity/discourse-gregory.html.
Cheers, all.
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Thanks Victoria. I forgot about the great fireplace part. Just now, my wife and I have the fireplace going with the temp in the 20’s outside, the tree and windows lit, and some decent reading material. Life is good.
I appreciate the fine work you do on this blog.
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Peter, thank you for the kind words.
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Why not rid ourselves of all the traditional holiday dates and make the first Monday of each month a federal holiday. That would guarantee a three day weekend each month. It would be good for business and for family, for schooling, etc.
Then, to remove the “offensiveness” of religious holidays, they could all be acknowledged on selected Sundays when most people are off work already and it wouldn’t create as much of a conflict with those who don’t want to celebrate anothers beliefs.
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Christians need to show the world how Christians celebrate Christmas. We at least have a glimpse of understanding of the incarnation.
Jesus IS the light of the World. Put lights on our trees and houses. Jesus did come eating and drinking, unlike John the Baptist. We can celebrate His coming.
We have love for our children, so we give them gifts. God gave His SON, out of love for us. We can give gifts, make special treats, decorate our houses, spend time in Advent readings and make Christmas a joyful celebration.
Don’t you love it, that in the midst of the drunken revelry, they can not ESCAPE the name of Christmas? There is a memory, a remnant of an idea. Christians need to show their children how to celebrate Christ’s birth in a loving home. The inheritance will be passed down through the descendants.
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13, 14, 16, 20, etc – You all made very good points, which is why even though I understand the “against” side, I also think we need to be careful to not bind others’ consciences who want to celebrate Christmas as well as not bind the consciences of those who want to treat the day like any other.
Those believers who celebrate do so unto the Lord, and those who don’t, don’t do so unto the Lord. Either way, God is glorified.
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Oooooooooooooooooo please do give us back Yule!! Please! Please! Pretty please with tree and star ontop!
Heh, but really, very interesting topic I have been pointed to here. While I do doubt that the author when he says ‘Give-it-back’ is not looking too kindly on my folk, I still think it is a interesting idea.
Sure alot of folks have FUN FUN! In the way of wild pleasure, but please do know that Dionysus and his equivalent Bacchus urged Moderation with the wine. Having a good time was one thing but constant Hedon-y was another frowned upon.
Though more likely no one will officially end the ‘Christmas’ or move it from the Dec. 25th. People are just lazy I suppose or the great majority don;t care to.
That and I know alot of fellow students who would be disappointed if our December-January breaks moved around. Hmmm, thats another thing, I don;t hear Christmas Break alot anymore-now it’s Winter Break around here.
Ah but anyway still X-mas or Yule it is the season for everyone to be happy and have fun. To feel the warmth from such abudant good feelings.
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In one of his autobiographies, Ben Franklin tells us why we have week-ends – the Jews would not work on Saturday, and the Christians would not work on Sunday, making those two days worthless for conducting any business.
I get the impression they weren’t GIVEN the day off, they just TOOK the day.
Likewise Christmas and Easter week.
But nowadays it seems Christians aren’t willing to take those days. For instance, do kids come home from college to celebrate Easter week as they did in times past? Or are they given “spring break” at a time that may not coincide with Easter week?
Thus do our traditions become diluted.
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I have a black book that says Santa Biblia on the cover (and elsewhere).
(Just thought I’d throw that in.)
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When I traveled in Japan, I was surprised to see Christmas decorations everywhere and the malls were jammed. I asked my Japanese colleague if they celebrated the birth of Christ. He said “No, the kids just like to get presents”. This is an admittedly pagan culture that loves Christmas yet cares nothing for Christ. America is not much different.
I am amazed (though not surprised) how overt the references to Christmas are in regard to the markets, especially by stores and squishy news sources that refuse to use the word “Christ” or “Mass” except in reference to revenue.
Christ-mass without Christ is simply ‘mass’, as in mass marketing.
“For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.” Jer 10:3,4
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I like telling the Christmas story with carols. A basic framework:
O Come, O Come, Emmanuel
[Roman occupied Israel yearning for a deliverer]
Joy to the World
[He arrives!]
O Little Town of Bethlehem
Away in a Manger
[His humble circumstances]
Angels We Have Heard on High
[Angels spread the news]
O Come All Ye Faithful
We Three Kings
[The wise and wealthy come]
The Little Drummer Boy
[The poor are welcome, too]
The Friendly Beasts
[Let everything that has breath praise the Lord!]
Go Tell It On The Mountain
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Does Jesus ask or command us to celebrate his birthday?
What DOES he ask us to do in remembrance of him?
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Reg- 28
Jesus asks us to worship God– Father, Son, and Holy Spirit– in spirit and in truth.
And, in observing this command, the Church has cried out through the centuries during the Christmas season:
“Thy Nativity, O Christ our God, has shone to the world as the light of wisdom. For by it those who worshipped the stars were taught by a star to adore Thee, the Sun of Righteousness, and to know Thee, the Orient from on high. O Lord, glory to Thee.”
and
“Today the Virgin gives birth to the Transcendent One, and the earth offers a cave to the Unapproachable One. Angels with Shepherds glorify Him, the wise men journey with the star; since for our sake the eternal God was born as a little child.”
Now THAT is worshipping God in spirit and in truth!
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I agree!
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Reg, While Christ didn’t command us to worship His birth, there is a passage in Paul, Corinthians 3:21-23, that answers your question, namely:
So then, no more boasting about human leaders! All things are yours, whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas or the world or life or death or the present or the future—all are yours, and you are of Christ, and Christ is of God.
This means that all is ours as long as we are of Christ and that would include the best of our material traditions of Christmas, as well as the our spiritual celebration of our Lord’s birth, especially in church.
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Reg – The specific answer to your question is to take Communion/the Lord’s Supper.
But that doesn’t mean we can’t or shouldn’t celebrate His Incarnation in other ways.
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I just think how interesting it is that children, and some adults are given Christmas by the church, but not the sacrament.
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Reg
What do you mean when you say: —– “I just think how interesting it is that children, and some adults are given Christmas by the church, but not the sacrament.” —– would you explain this further?
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Reg- I assume by “the sacrament” you are referring to Holy Communion? If so, I’d suspect that you’re either in the wrong church, that the adults who aren’t given the Holy Things aren’t properly prepared, or both. For more than 2,000 years, the Orthodox Church has been communing infants and all other Christians who are in communion with the Church, properly prepared, and not under discipline for the sake of their souls to refrain from the Holy Things.
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I am not in the Orthodox church. I have been in churches that will not allow people to commune or not until the teen years or adulthood. the thought struck me, after years of this starvation, that the church, instead makes these same children put on the Christmas show year after year, thus somehow fulfilling (in our minds) Jesus’admonition to let the children come unto him, yes, in children’s sermons on Sunday, in Christmas plays, but not in the Lord’s Supper, which is what Jesus SAID to do.
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Reg
A child who has fully come to know Christ, who actually understands what that means should be able to have the LORD’s Supper.
Mixing the LORD’s Supper with Christmas doesn’t make sense, that is a separate issue.
Many children attend Sunday School, Church and Childrens Church activities which enable them to understand the Bible. I would also hope their parents are instructing them, teaching their children about our LORD.
Until a child fully understands what it means to be Born Again, and accepted Jesus Christ as their Savior, they should not be allowed to have the LORD’s Supper.
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Victoria,
I’m going to have to disagree with you on this one. If you’re a sola scriptura fan, you’ll note that the rule you articulate re. a person needing to have “full understanding” and to “accept Jesus Christ as their Savior” cannot be found in the Bible. This emphasis on “knowing God” through the mind is an unfortunate outgrowth of the Western scholastic heritage direct from Augustine, Aquinas, Aristotle, and the rest. I might even go so far as to say that it is nearly Gnostic. In the same way that we “know” people, we don’t “know” God through our mind but through our experience of Him. I’m not downplaying the role of the mind in knowing “about” Him, at all, but just saying that God is personal– not an object of mental contemplation or speculation.
All this said, the early Church would just as vehemently disagree as evidenced by the tradition of communining infants that was firmly in place. Note the following:
Clement of Alexandria (late 2nd century) writes:
“As soon as we are regenerated [through the laver of baptism], we are honoured by receiving the good news of the hope of rest. . . receiving through what is material the pledge of the sacred food.”
When the Church baptizes its infants, it immediately annoints them with chrism and gives them the Holy Mysteries. The separation of these “sacraments” into separate events in many sects is a relatively modern innovation.
St. Cyprian of Carthage (~250) testified, in his “On the Lapsed,” that infant communion was not an uncommon practice in the early Church:
“Some parents who by chance were escaping, being little careful on account of their terror, left a little daughter under the care of a wet-nurse. The nurse gave up the forsaken child to the magistrates. They gave it, in the presence of an idol whither the people flocked (because it was not yet able to eat flesh on account of its years), bread mingled with wine, which however itself was the remainder of what had been used in the immolation of those that had perished. Subsequently the mother recovered her child. But the girl was no more able to speak, or to indicate the crime that had been committed, than she had before been able to understand or to prevent it. Therefore it happened unawares in their ignorance, that when we were sacrificing, the mother brought it in with her. Moreover, the girl mingled with the saints, became impatient of our prayer and supplications, and was at one moment shaken with weeping, and at another tossed about like a wave of the sea by the violent excitement of her mind; as if by the compulsion of a torturer the soul of that still tender child confessed a consciousness of the fact with such signs as it could. When, however, the solemnities were finished, and the deacon began to offer the cup to those present, and when, as the rest received it, its turn approached, the little child, by the instinct of the divine majesty, turned away its face, compressed its mouth with resisting lips, and refused the cup. Still the deacon persisted, and, although against her efforts, forced on her some of the sacrament of the cup. Then there followed a sobbing and vomiting. In a profane body and mouth the Eucharist could not remain; the draught sanctified in the blood of the Lord burst forth from the polluted stomach. So great is the Lord’s power, so great is His majesty. The secrets of darkness were disclosed under His light, and not even hidden crimes deceived God’s priest.”
Saint Augustine (late 4th century), in his Vol. 5 of his Works (Sermon 174), is even more specific:
“They are infants, but they receive His sacraments. They are infants, but they share in His table, in order to have life in themselves.”
HT to the Reformed site http://www.paedocommunion.com/articles/fathers_quotations.php for the plethora of quotes on the topic.
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Jonny – 38
I believe the Bible to be the inerrant inspired Word of God -
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Victoria- 39
Me, too!
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Jonny
You write: “I’m going to have to disagree with you on this one. If you’re a sola scriptura fan, you’ll note that the rule you articulate re. a person needing to have “full understanding” and to “accept Jesus Christ as their Savior” cannot be found in the Bible.”
First of all there are a number of things which cannot be found in the Bible such as, Trinity, and the word Bible, to name just two.
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. Romans 10:9
You have taken out of context what I posted in #37. This is what I posted:
”Until a child fully understands what it means to be Born Again, and accepted Jesus Christ as their Savior, they should not be allowed to have the LORD’s Supper.”
I never once used the word “full” – this YOU inserted instead of using what I wrote which was “fully” –
I never once used the word “understanding” – this YOU inserted as my wording, when in fact IT WAS NOT, I used the word “understands” –
I never once used the word “accept” however you chose to insert this word in my quote – what I used was “accepted” –
Jonny, when you quote someone, using quote (”) marks, make sure you use their EXACT quote – You have missquoted me, making it up as you go along, this is not honest, which makes me question your intent-
Sola Scriptura is the Bibles position, and one that hold dear -
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Victoria,
My apologies if you believed I was quoting you. I expected that it would be exceedingly apparent to all that I was simply summarizing what I believed you to have set forth and using quotes to separate two important concepts. As for intent, as I’ve indicated in past postings, I’m simply concerned with truth.
I have no beef with Paul in Romans where he indicates that those who confess Christ with their mouths and believe “in their hearts” in the Resurrection shall be saved. A proof text it ain’t for refusing Holy Communion to the baptized– infant or otherwise.
Nor do I have any problem with your quotes from Timothy. But, again, a proof text it ain’t for sola scriptura. I’m cheering Paul’s encouragement to Timothy that he hold fast to the Old Testament scriptures (the only “holy scriptures” that existed at that time) as able to make him wise unto salvation and that such scriptures were inspired by God, etc. I’m also cheering Paul’s encouragement that Timothy continue in the things that he learned and was assured of directly from the Apostles– whatever those things were. Given that man’s traditions– things like sola scriptura– have caused a ton of problems over the centuries, I try very much to heed Paul’s caution to the Colossians that they not be spoiled after “the tradition of men, etc.”
Hope this helps!
– Jonny
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Jonny
Summarizing is NOT using quote marks – there also is no reason to summarise what I said, it was clear and concise.
What problems have sola scriptura caused, since they are the inerrant inspired Word of God?
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Victoria,
My sense is that we could spend hours here quibbling about grammar, punctuation, and style and get nowhere. More importantly, we could probably fire Scripture passages at each other until Kingdom come and accomplish nothing but the undeniable proof that each of us is our own little mini-Pope if we hold to interpreting Scripture solely as we each see fit. Me, I prefer to stand with St. Vincent of Lerins in believing only “what has been believed everywhere, always, and by all.” Rather than relying on my own feeble intellect and world-influenced heart to direct my practices and beliefs, I’m happy to look to the godly traditions of the Apostles handed down through generations of holy bishops by the laying on of hands, vouchsafed by the Holy Spirit in His Church, and not in conflict one whit with Holy Writ. Lex orandi; lex credendi. If that means that baptized infants are served the “Medicine of Immortality,” as St. Ignatius of Antioch terms the Holy Things, all the better.
Reg- For what it’s worth, if you’re interested, here’s a link to a decent article discussing the Orthodox view of children in the Church: http://www.antiochian.org/node/16904. I loved the quote (from a Presbyterian, no less): “Opposition to communion of children is pagan and seeks to reverse the revolutionary table fellowship established by the Church. It is an attempt to return to Egypt.”
Cheers, all. Enjoy your weekend.
– Jonny
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Jonny 44
You haven’t answered my question in post 43, in response to your post 42. Below is your comment:
Again I ask:
What problems have sola scriptura caused, since they are the inerrant inspired Word of God?
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The Little Drummer Boy should be banned. That is all.
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But he played his drum for Him and played his best for Him!
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