Comments on: Is the pope Catholic? http://online.worldmag.com/2008/12/22/is-the-pope-catholic/ A forum for discussion of news that arises at the intersection of Christianity and culture. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 15:05:43 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: musing http://online.worldmag.com/2008/12/22/is-the-pope-catholic/comment-page-1/#comment-381671 musing Tue, 23 Dec 2008 22:40:33 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=18373#comment-381671 NJLawyer post 33, but as you note, he is not my pope. It is, however, my constitution. And centuries ago the Pope was a temporal ruler with control over a significant portion of Italy. I don't find that ancient tradition to be any more appropriate than his exercise of this ancient tradition. NJLawyer post 33,

but as you note, he is not my pope.

It is, however, my constitution.

And centuries ago the Pope was a temporal ruler with control over a significant portion of Italy. I don’t find that ancient tradition to be any more appropriate than his exercise of this ancient tradition.

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]]> By: NJLawyer http://online.worldmag.com/2008/12/22/is-the-pope-catholic/comment-page-1/#comment-381513 NJLawyer Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:24:40 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=18373#comment-381513 It is irrelevant whether or not anybody recognizes the Pope's ecclesiastical authority. He's not my pope, buthe's doing what pope's do in the manner in which they do it and have done for centuries. It is irrelevant whether or not anybody recognizes the Pope’s ecclesiastical authority. He’s not my pope, buthe’s doing what pope’s do in the manner in which they do it and have done for centuries.

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]]> By: musing http://online.worldmag.com/2008/12/22/is-the-pope-catholic/comment-page-1/#comment-381455 musing Tue, 23 Dec 2008 14:32:01 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=18373#comment-381455 By contrast arguably 100% of those Americans not preaching revolution accept the political authority of the constitution. By contrast arguably 100% of those Americans not preaching revolution accept the political authority of the constitution.

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]]> By: musing http://online.worldmag.com/2008/12/22/is-the-pope-catholic/comment-page-1/#comment-381454 musing Tue, 23 Dec 2008 14:30:37 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=18373#comment-381454 NJLawyer post 29, and for reference it would appear that perhaps 75% of the country does not recognize the Pope's ecclesiastical authority. NJLawyer post 29,

and for reference it would appear that perhaps 75% of the country does not recognize the Pope’s ecclesiastical authority.

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]]> By: musing http://online.worldmag.com/2008/12/22/is-the-pope-catholic/comment-page-1/#comment-381453 musing Tue, 23 Dec 2008 14:29:20 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=18373#comment-381453 NJLawyer post 29, or perhaps with people who do not recognize the Pope's theological authority? :-) But I am glad you made it clear that this was a Papal statement. NJLawyer post 29,

or perhaps with people who do not recognize the Pope’s theological authority? :-)

But I am glad you made it clear that this was a Papal statement.

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]]> By: NJLawyer http://online.worldmag.com/2008/12/22/is-the-pope-catholic/comment-page-1/#comment-381448 NJLawyer Tue, 23 Dec 2008 14:21:43 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=18373#comment-381448 The Pope isn't in the politics business, he's the head of the Roman Catholic Church and his duty is to God, not the American Constitution, by far a lesser standard, a document of compromise, nor does he say what he says because of the American electoral process. He says abortion is wrong. He says embryonic stem cell research is wrong. He takes his position that all life has value. The document called the Constitution does not do that. What it says about life is that one can't be deprived of it without due process. The Constitution is contingent on political will. God's Word is not. The Pope has merely made that clear and it doesn't sit well with people who want to be equal to the Eternal. The Pope isn’t in the politics business, he’s the head of the Roman Catholic Church and his duty is to God, not the American Constitution, by far a lesser standard, a document of compromise, nor does he say what he says because of the American electoral process. He says abortion is wrong. He says embryonic stem cell research is wrong. He takes his position that all life has value.

The document called the Constitution does not do that. What it says about life is that one can’t be deprived of it without due process. The Constitution is contingent on political will. God’s Word is not. The Pope has merely made that clear and it doesn’t sit well with people who want to be equal to the Eternal.

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]]> By: musing http://online.worldmag.com/2008/12/22/is-the-pope-catholic/comment-page-1/#comment-381338 musing Tue, 23 Dec 2008 01:16:15 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=18373#comment-381338 Michelle post 27, it does appear that some Planned Parenthood offices offer financial assitance: <a HREF="http://www.plannedparenthood.org/centralnc/abortion-services-information-and-forms.htm" rel="nofollow"> Financial Assistance from Planned Parenthood </A> This does not sound like they are focused only on making money. Michelle post 27,

it does appear that some Planned Parenthood offices offer financial assitance:

Financial Assistance from Planned Parenthood

This does not sound like they are focused only on making money.

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]]> By: michelle http://online.worldmag.com/2008/12/22/is-the-pope-catholic/comment-page-1/#comment-381318 michelle Tue, 23 Dec 2008 00:26:51 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=18373#comment-381318 Do you have a source for that last paragraph, Scroop Moth? I've not heard abortion clinics offer their services for reduced fees. On the contrary, what I've hard is it's cash or credit card up front, first. (A genuine question). Do you have a source for that last paragraph, Scroop Moth? I’ve not heard abortion clinics offer their services for reduced fees. On the contrary, what I’ve hard is it’s cash or credit card up front, first.

(A genuine question).

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]]> By: Scroop Moth http://online.worldmag.com/2008/12/22/is-the-pope-catholic/comment-page-1/#comment-381294 Scroop Moth Mon, 22 Dec 2008 23:10:02 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=18373#comment-381294 Sawgunner, you still haven't explained why women who contract with a professional killer to kill their fetus aren't murderers in the first degree. Rape is a defense. But financial incentives count as motive, not defense. Ditto reasons of the heart, convenience, desire to avoid genetic problems, and reluctance to go through with adoption. The mother who drove her two tots into a lake in order to free herself for a man whom she wanted had the same motives as some women who contract to kill their fetus by abortion, and Georgia tried to give her the dp. She was distressed, too, but the jury didn't buy it. Abortion doctors often kill a fetus for a reduced fee, at a loss, because they believe in providing a woman with a choice. That's a defense against the accusation that all they want is money. Sawgunner, you still haven’t explained why women who contract with a professional killer to kill their fetus aren’t murderers in the first degree. Rape is a defense. But financial incentives count as motive, not defense. Ditto reasons of the heart, convenience, desire to avoid genetic problems, and reluctance to go through with adoption. The mother who drove her two tots into a lake in order to free herself for a man whom she wanted had the same motives as some women who contract to kill their fetus by abortion, and Georgia tried to give her the dp. She was distressed, too, but the jury didn’t buy it.

Abortion doctors often kill a fetus for a reduced fee, at a loss, because they believe in providing a woman with a choice. That’s a defense against the accusation that all they want is money.

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]]> By: musing http://online.worldmag.com/2008/12/22/is-the-pope-catholic/comment-page-1/#comment-381286 musing Mon, 22 Dec 2008 22:51:29 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=18373#comment-381286 Matt Y post 22, but as my link points out and you seem to agree, the Republican base seemed to love Palin. Since I suggest that the polls reagrding independents are reasonably clear and Democrats now out number Republicans, and Tina Fey needs additional material, it sounds like it would be truly wonderful if Palin was a major Republican presidential candidate in 2012. :-) Matt Y post 22,

but as my link points out and you seem to agree, the Republican base seemed to love Palin.

Since I suggest that the polls reagrding independents are reasonably clear and Democrats now out number Republicans, and Tina Fey needs additional material, it sounds like it would be truly wonderful if Palin was a major Republican presidential candidate in 2012. :-)

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