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Abortion enthusiasts in their own words
American Life League yesterday published a round-up called “Red Faced and Red Handed: Top Ten Pro-Abortion Moments of 2008.” Our new president nabbed the top slot with a gaffe uttered at a town hall meeting in Johnstown, Pennsylvania last March:
“Look, I got two daughters – 9 years old and 6 years old,” he said. “I am going to teach them first about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”
This, apparently, from the Baby = Punishment school of values and morals. Obama also snagged the No. 2 spot on ALL’s list. Others who last year paraded their abortion radicalism included Nancy Pelosi, comedian Doug Stanhope, and Planned Parenthood. Check out the whole list here.
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I like Pelosi’s comment.
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I have known a few parents who were confronted with an unwed pregnant daughter. Irrespective of how disappointed they may’ve been with an inappropriate teen pregnancy, none of them ever had such outright contempt for an innocent little child as BHO evinced with his remark.
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Exactly, Sawgunner. My sister was in that situation. We never saw her baby as a punishment.
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I am sick and tired of abortion. I still maintain that there are enough ways to prevent pregnancy that abortion shouldn’t be an issue. I wasn’t always as good as I should have been. I managed to be engaged to a guy at the Naval Academy who would have been expelled had they ever found out he impregnated a woman. Solution: Birth control pills AND condoms. I figured 99% effective and 99% effective HAD to be better than just 99% effective. I also think that we need to hold the males just as responsible as the females. They shouldn’t be able to impregnate and walk away unscathed. Believe me he didn’t complain about condoms when he could have lost his free education and career
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Thank you Kim! What we need is perhaps a little less compassion and a little more outrage directed at the unbridled sperm donors and the culture which enables and encourages them.
I’m no service academy grad but I do know your story is hardly unique
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How far we have descended when Motherhood is considered “Punishment”.
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The problem is abortion makes it easier for guys to walk out on the girl. A lot of them figures that if he offers to pay for the abortion and she turns him down, he’s done his duty and is off the hook.
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Which is why DNA should be tested and any job he has for the next at least 18 years should deduct child support. Tie it to his social security number and anytime he is due any type of refund or bonus or spiff some amount should be deducted from it. He impregnates enough girls he won’t have any money. Might make him think.
I AM ABSOLUTELY FURIOUS OVER THIS!!!! My stepbrother, the baby child of my stepmother got a girl pregnant about 20 years ago. Her mother was a nurse, my stepmother was a nurse and she became a nurse. The baby was born and they all three set their hospital schedules so someone could stay home and take care of the baby. They handed her off in the emergency room. About 6 years ago he got another girl pregnant. They were both arrested and sent to prison on drug charges. Since the baby was her 4th to be taken by DHR her parental rights were immediately severed. As you all know my cousin adopted this little girl.
D has been out of prison about 1 1/2 years. He came home to live with my stepmother which is why my father left. He started dating a woman how has a 5 yr old. She was evicted from her apartment. She is now pregnant and GUESS WHAT they are all living in the house my fathers 401K paid for, while I am sitting here worried about how I am going to pay February’s housenote here. When my stepmother was telling me all of this the other day I told her I didn’t want to say anything derogatory about her son, but he only recently got out of prison, doesn’t have a well paying job WHAT DID THIS WOMAN SEE IN HIM?!!!!AND OH BY THE WAY HE NEEDS A #@!$ VASECTOMY!!!! Fortunately she agreed with me but what is she suppose to do? Kick a pregnant woman and her child out on the streets? IT MAKES ME MAD BECAUSE MY STEPMOTHER IS ABOUT TO BE 70!!!! The last thing she needs is a baby. She has done her time. and yes you should read this post with a lot of anger in my tone.
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From the article:
Comment: President-elect Obama demonstrates his disdain for the sanctity of preborn babies by stating that children are “punishments” instead of miracles and blessings.
Face it folks, not all babies are either “miracles” or “blessings”. That’s why billions of married folks, all over the world in every culture practice birth control. And that’s why even the Christian bible doesn’t explicitly condemn either abortion or birth control. Of course, back then more children were considered “blessings” simply because they helped with the agricultural duties…
kbells: The problem is abortion makes it easier for guys to walk out on the girl. A lot of them figures that if he offers to pay for the abortion and she turns him down, he’s done his duty and is off the hook.
That’s why we have criminal non-support courts.
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Arcadia wrote that “the Christian bible doesn’t explicitly condemn . . abortion.”
“Thou shalt not kill.” That ought to do it.
Exodus 21:22-23 also helps.
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MiM: How far we have descended when Motherhood is considered “Punishment”.
We have all known women for whom “Motherhood” is the worst possible event, not just for them, but for our society. Some are totally self-centered, or drunks, or just too mean and nasty or imcompetent to ever raise a responsible child. Many of them even know this about themselves and would abort any pregnancy, thus sparing the child, themselves and the rest of society a lot of misery.
It is hard to consider the ultimate goal of the “pro-life” movement, which is to tie down any such unwilling mother until she gives birth, as anything less than “punishment”, and socially ill-advised punishment at that.
And yes, there are also many women and men for whom a baby is a mere inconvenience, or who choose abortion for positive or negative eugenic reasons and I, like you, am discomfitted by allowing them access to “abortion at will”.
But I don’t think there is any effective way for any government to sort this out–to weed out those who should never have kids from those who just don’t care to.
Do you?
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Aholiab: It doesn’t. That commandment has no object, and by most accounts has lots of exceptions.
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Arcadia, that doesn’t mean the girl will pursue that route. Faced with raising the child alone and having to spend the rest of her life fighting it’s father for support, many will take the easy way out.
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11. Then why not just off the kids these women have already given birth to. Thus sparing the child, the mother and the rest of society a lot of misery.
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Arcadia writes: “Face it folks, not all babies are either “miracles” or “blessings”.
All babies are miracles and blessings whether the parents perceive them to be or not. They may present a problem to be solved, but they are all miracles and blessings. The problem is in the way people think.
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The Pregnancy Counseling Centers where I have worked are not there simply to convince a woman to carry a child to term. We use this opportunity to help women reassess their lives–where are they? Where do they want to go? What do they want to do with their life? Why have they made the choices they’ve made? The tools are there to change their lives for the better if they will avail themselves.
Sure, there are plenty of miserable parents in the world. Plenty of miserable parents-to-be. But we don’t know how God can use a baby to change someone’s life for the better. It may be difficult, yes. Actually, it almost always is difficult no matter who you are or what your circumstances. But sometimes the biggest blessings in our lives are the ones that look the hardest at the start.
But if your society tells you people are expendable–kill them if they’re not convenient–it warps relationships all the way down the line.
I understand what President-elect Obama meant. He doesn’t want his daughters to be forced to change their lives from whatever path they’ve planned if they get pregnant at the wrong time. A lot of people, including me probably, could echo that hope.
The disappointing difference between President-elect Obama and me, is I don’t think killing an innocent person will solve the problem.
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Arcadia: We have all known women for whom “Motherhood” is the worst possible event, not just for them, but for our society. Some are totally self-centered, or drunks, or just too mean and nasty or imcompetent to ever raise a responsible child.
Which of these insults are you directing at the Obama girls?
And, much as you deny it, the Bible explicitly condemns abortion, as well as infanticide, fratricide, matricide, patricide, and every other murderous subset you can name.
When I say to my children, “You shall not have a cat,” they would be foolish to say, “Dad has not explicitly forbidden Calicoes.”
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#11 “We have all known women for whom “Motherhood” is the worst possible event, not just for them, but for our society. Some are totally self-centered, or drunks, or just too mean and nasty or imcompetent to ever raise a responsible child.”
Self-centered and incompetent would be the adjectives to describe my mother. And mentally ill (does that go under incompetent?)
When I was in high school, I wished she had never given birth to me. The fact that she frequently admitted she wasn’t a good mother because she hadn’t had a mother (her mother lived in some institution, where she finally committed suicide) didn’t help much – it just made me afraid to ever be a mother myself.
Of course, it didn’t help our relationship any when I told my mother I wished she had never given birth to me. I didn’t say it in anger, just as an (intended to be) helpful explanation of how I felt.
She never considered abortion – she wanted babies very much, because she wanted someone to love her. She loved babies, she just didn’t know what to do with them once they learned to say no. (Those are her words.)
Today I am glad, of course, that I was born, though it’s only by thinking in terms of God’s sovereignty and grace that I can at least try to be thankful for the mother He had give birth to me. And I did turn out to be a very responsible person. Not happy, but very responsible.
I just had to look for other role models, in teachers, pastors, people at church, etc. (Fortunately my mother was never pressured to homeschool me – I shudder to think what it would have been like not to have the outside influences I did.)
So having a lousy mother is not a good thing, but it does not spell failure for a child. And it does not justify ending the life of the unborn child.
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Arcadia, the original Greek has the meaning of “You will not murder.” Murder, as you know, is killing an innocent person. And who is more innocent than the unborn?
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Does Bible oppose or condemn abortion?
At the heart of the Bible’s message is the doctrine of creation. The creative hand of God was at work when you were formed in your mother’s womb. And He was creating your inner being, not just your body. The Psalmist wrote;
“For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well.” (Psalm 139:13-14).
This is more than a proof-text against abortion. It is a declaration of the wonder of human creation. Our very reason to praise God is affirmed here.
What’s more, the Creator actually knew us before our formation in the womb. The prophet Jeremiah, speaking for God, wrote; “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you.” (Jeremiah 1:5). According to Paul God didn’t just “know” us, He actually “chose” us in Christ before the world itself was created (see Ephesians 1:4).
The value of human life in the womb (equal to human life out of the womb) is affirmed in Exodus where the rule is set forth that if a fighting man hits a pregnant woman and the baby is harmed, “…you are to take life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.” (Exodus 21:22-24).
We are told in Proverbs 6 that God literally “hates” hands that shed innocent blood. The blood of a baby in the womb is as innocent as humanly possible.
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The death toll from legalized abortion since 1973, totals more than 48 million babies–all perished intentionally. Planned Parenthood provides 20 percent of all abortions in the U.S., and they took in $336 million in government funds—that’s public money, our money.
How is that right?
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All viable notions of justice are founded upon the sanctity and worth of human life. The right to life is the foremost principle at the root of all human rights. Our third President, Thomas Jefferson, wrote; “The care of human life and happiness and not their destruction is the first and only legitimate object of good government.”
Just as I could never vote for a politician who advocated human slavery, I could not support one who supported human abortion, which outright destroys not merely a person’s freedom but life itself.
The environment is important, but not as important as human life. Poverty is a problem, but it pales in comparison to the problem of abortion. The worth and sanctity of human life is a Christian priority. Whatever humanitarian, economic, legal or foreign policy good a politician may do, it will eventually be obliterated in a culture where it is legal to destroy human life at will. Until we rise to protect the most vulnerable of all human beings (babies forming in the womb), all other efforts pertaining to human dignity and political progress are undermined.
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I am adamantly opposed to my tax dollars going to help someone get an abortion. I suppose that if someone is hellbent and determined to get one and they can pay the going rate without help from the government there isn’t much I personally can do about it, but then I go back to my original argument that if people used half the brains God gave them they wouldn’t be in the position of needing an abortion in the first place.
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I also think Lynn is on the right track. If we can prove to people that it is genocide of the black race or of the hispanics I bet we could get quite a few Democrats on board to banish it.
I am sure someone here can break it down for us based on race as to who has the most abortions, who has the most pregnancies, etc. Give em all the free birth CONTROL they want —to keep things equal— then let’s see who is having the most abortions. If it is minorities then we the majority need to raise a stink and rise up to help them.
FREE VASECTOMIES FOR EVERYONE!!!!
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JoelMark: Lots of passages but none speaking specifically of abortion, which is a whole different thing. Your god has no special compunction about killing unborn children, indeed he very clearly directed his followers to kill only the Midianite women who had had intercourse and therefore might be pregnant.
Numbers31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
31:18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
I’ll let you reconcile the purposes for which the other girls and women were spared with your claims that scripture bans adultery and child abuse…
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This seems like the right thread for this video.
Cow Gives Birth to Human
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FREE VASECTOMIES FOR EVERYONE!!!!
Public school teachers will support that.
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That is one of the most tasteless videos I have ever seen. Without a doubt there are some very disturbed individuals around as evidenced by those who participated in that abominable video…
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I have no problem with non-abortive birth control for sexually irresponsible nonbelievers.
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Or should that be unbelievers?
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Conor-
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“I have no problem with non-abortive birth control for sexually irresponsible nonbelievers.”
Wouldn’t using birth control be responsible, rather than irresponsible? How do “believers” avoid getting knocked up?
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“Wouldn’t using birth control be responsible, rather than irresponsible?”
One night stands, multi-partners and having sex too young are not responsible no matter how much birth control you use. As we have said many times there is only one sure fire birth control method.
How do “believers” avoid getting knocked up?
I believe it is okay for married couples to use certain kinds of birth control. At least if it fails they are in a better position to care for the child.
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“One night stands, multi-partners and having sex too young are not responsible no matter how much birth control you use.”
That isn’t how I read your earlier statement. Thanks fr the clarification. I agree all sexually active people not yet ready to take on the responsibilities of parenthood should use birth control, regardless of their beliefs. We’re not far apart.
Should sexually irresponsible believers use birth control?
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“Should sexually irresponsible believers use birth control?”
That’s like asking if believers should be polite while committing a bank robbery.
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Yes they should.
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