Rick Warren starts magazine
The Wall Street Journal reports that Rick Warren is starting his own quarterly magazine, the Purpose Driven Connection—a publication of the Reader’s Digest Association. A subscription includes the magazines, DVD study guides, and access to a Christian social networking web site.
This could be a risky venture, particularly since so many print publications are foundering or folding right now. I have a theory, though, that niche publications—the kind that appeal to a very specific audience — will continue to do well. That seems to the the theory shared by new CEO Mary Berner, who has reorganized the company according to “consumer affinities,” says WSJ:”The idea is to envelop subscribers in a multimedia web of Mr. Warren’s message.”




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back to top27 Comments to “Rick Warren starts magazine”
“The idea is to envelop subscribers in a multimedia web of Mr. Warren’s message.”
Ugh.
How about God’s message?
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Actually, Victoria, Rev. Warren does study the Bible, and of course the “connection” he seeks is that people will worship God through Jesus Christ.
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I hope they are going to name the magazine for what it is: Mr. Warren Wants Your Money.
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Warren will be truly preachnig to the choir.
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Maybe he can name it “R Magazine” and put his picture on every cover.
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I am under-whelmed.
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Good for him. He’s following the successful business models of Martha, Oprah, Rachel Ray. We need more entrepreneurs right now and I hope he does well.
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Time to buy a parrot and a birdcage and teach the parrot to say “Rick Warren’s a hireling heretic” while it poops on the Purpose Drivel pages.
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4simpson
I disagree for many reasons, but here is one in particular:
Below is a letter which was signed by many so called Christian leaders, among those who signed this letter are:
Brian D. McLaren, Author, Speaker, Activist – Emergent Church
Tony Jones, National Coordinator, Emergent Village – which is part of the “Emergent Church” movement
Jim Wallis, President, Sojourners
Rick Warren, Founder and Senior Pastor, Saddleback Church
Robert Schuller, Founder, Crystal Cathedral and Hour of Power
Khaleej Times Online
Christian leaders ask for Muslim forgiveness
(Wam)
26 November 2007
“ABU DHABI-Peaceful relations between Muslims and Christians stand as one of the central challenges of this century, according to leading Christian leaders.”
Part of letter below which is in the article:
Christian leaders ask for Muslim forgiveness
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10 – exactly.
I don’t know how on God’s green earth, especially after the ingguration, people can think that Rick Warren’s a Christian.
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The prayer that Rick Warren prayed at the Inauguration using the name “ISA” has caused much shock and controversy in the Evangelical community – In order to more accurately understand just what “Isa” means the piece below should give an insight –
This is an important piece by Dr Mark Durie – It gives an explicit ‘Biography of ‘Isa –
Victoria,
My guess would be that Mr. Warren used Isa as the Arabic name for Jesus, and that he knows Muslims have a flawed understanding of the real Jesus.
Do Arabic speaking Christians call Him Isa?
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John Denney
No Arabic Christians don’t not call Jesus ‘Isa if they have learned the difference, which they do very quickly – Isa is not the Jesus of the Bible -
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Victoria,
Are you speaking from experience or from what you think would be the most logical reaction to learning the conflicts in the Quran’s and the Bible’s descriptions of Jesus?
Personally, I don’t see anything wrong with the apology. Maybe they did worse to us than we did to them. It doesn’t matter. Christians should be the first to recognize their own shortcomings and to ask forgiveness. If the Muslims forgive us and apologize for their wrongs toward us, then good! But if not, we have still done the right thing.
I should note though that if the apology was longer than that, or if it made theologically compromosing claims that the excerpt here didn’t have, I may have to change my opinion. But I have no issue with the part shown. Also, it looks like the letter was a response to something from Muslims. Shame on us if they were the first to apologize! (Even if they were demanding an apology instead of apologizing themselves, it would still be right to give it to them.)
Now about “Isa, Y’shua, Jesus, Jesus”, or however he phrased it: many English speakers believe way-off things about Jesus. That He was not virgin-born, that He’s still dead, that He never really said half the things attributed to Him in the Bible, or even that He didn’t exist! Yet we still say “Jesus”! If we want to be super-correct, we could go for “I?sous” since that’s what’s in the original Greek, or even “Yeshua” since that’s what He was probably called before transliteration into Greek.
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*I?sous should be Iesous with a long e
I don’t know how on God’s green earth, especially after the ingguration, people can think that Rick Warren’s a Christian.
While I’m cautious to endorse Warren due to misgivings about him from my pastor and other spiritually mature people I respect, I didn’t see anything wrong with the prayer. I read “The Purpose Driven Life” before it became controversial, and thought it was a boring book, but I don’t recall any dangerous stuff in it. (Of course, I was younger then and something might have gone over my head.) Other than that, the only experience I have with Warren is this prayer, a quote saying he agreed theologically with James Dobson for the most part, and a bunch of people saying he’s either questionable or a heretic.
So before we burn the witch, could someone tell me how you came to the conclusion that he weighs the same as a duck?
(For those of you who didn’t catch the movie reference, I’m asking what the matter is with Rick Warren. Last time I asked, someone slammed me for not knowing his theology. Thanks, that really answered my question. /sarcasm.)
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Even if Arabic speaking Christians do use the name Isa for Jesus (to be fair, I have an Arabic New Testament and the name is spelled ya-sin-alif which would be pronounced Isa) it was AS CLEAR AS A BELL what Warren was referring to: the Islamic Christ who although born of a virgin is NOT GOD. Warren was being a pluralist and an inclusivist with the intent to include Muslims in his predictably blasphemous speech. Pox on Warren.
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the Islamic Christ who although born of a virgin is NOT GOD.
I think this is where we lose connection. From the “Biography of ‘Isa” Victoria posted, it certainly looks like they’re talking about the same guy. They’re wrong about several things, yes, but it’s still the same guy. They may not believe that He’s God, but it doesn’t change the fact that He is, whether they know it or not. I’m one of those naughty Christians who think Allah and YHWH are the same Person, but that the Muslims just believe a lot of wrong things about Him.
Maybe this is one of those semantic things. Maybe we just mean two different things when we say two people are the “same” or not the “same”. If I go to Mt. Rainier and come back and describe it to a friend who has seen it only on postcards, and we disagree about several major details (for example, the color or height or amount of trees), we are still talking about the same mountain. However, if he’s got enough of it wrong, one might also rightly say that he’s speaking of an entirely different mountain.
So I suppose the only way to be correctly interpreted is to say that ‘Isa and Iesous, YHWH and Allah are “the same, but different.”
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I feel better knowing that we have some of our best detectives working the “Priory of Warren” case.
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There is nothing I love better than Christians declaring each other “heretics”. Honestly, y’all spend more time trying to boot each other out of your little private “Jesus Club”.
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Cuthalion – 18
YOU WRITE: “From the “Biography of ‘Isa” Victoria posted, it certainly looks like they’re talking about the same guy.”
“Same guy”? – if you are speaking about Jesus who the Muslim’s don’t believe is the Son of GOD ———- interesting that you would even think of referring to GOD the Son as “the same guy” but not a surprise. Jesus is not a “guy” HE is the Son of GOD, GOD the Son -
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Victoria – 21
YOU WRITE: “Jesus is not a ‘guy’ HE is the Son of GOD, GOD the Son – ”
You just said He was “not a ‘guy’” and that He is a “HE” in the same sentence. I’d like to know how you think someone can be male, someone’s son, and “not a guy“.
In all seriousness, I assume you’re picking on my use of the semi-casual word “guy” to describe Jesus. I don’t mean to demean Him — I use that word with pretty much everybody. I really don’t see a problem with it. Would you be offended if I called God “Daddy”? That’d be pretty informal, yet Romans 8:15 seems to be fine with that idea.
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There is nothing I love better than Christians declaring each other “heretics”. Honestly, y’all spend more time trying to boot each other out of your little private “Jesus Club”.
In case you ever come back to this thread, you may notice that I seem to be defending Warren at the moment without calling anybody a heretic. So I hope you realize you’re generalizing. Besides, it’s not really a private club. Anybody can join the “Jesus Club”.
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Cuthalion – 22
YOU WRITE:
“You just said He was “not a ‘guy’” and that He is a “HE” in the same sentence. I’d like to know how you think someone can be male, someone’s son, and “not a guy“.”
I wouldn’t think you could understand this? Jesus is GOD the SON, in respect to his DEITY I can’t imagine with respect anyone referring to GOD the SON as just a “guy” but then one never knows -
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That’s what I was trying to address. That’s why I gave the Romans example of referring to God with what I’ve always heard was a pretty casual word. The way I wrote it could be interpreted to distinguish between Jesus and God, but that’s not what I meant: I do believe Jesus is God. But I also believe He is human, which, at least in my background, makes “guy” an acceptable term to use, especially since He’s male.
No need to make insinuations about people. “I wouldn’t think you could understand this?”, “but then one never knows”, “interesting that you would even think of”, “but not a surprise”, etc. It is possible to make a point without demeaning people.
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Cuthalion – 25
It’s disrespectful to refer to GOD the Son as a “guy” and yes, it doesn’t surprise me that you do this and think nothing of it.
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I think we should be very careful about calling someone a heretic. Unless a person is teaching that Jesus is not the Son of God nor part of the Trinity, I would give their faith the benefit of the doubt.
In the articles & interviews with Warren that I’ve read & seen, I have not seen anything to make me think he is not a sincere (& “real”) Christian. The things I’ve read that indicate he is not have been other people’s opinions of him, not from his own words.
We can disagree with someone’s doctrinal beliefs without having to deny the reality of his Christianity.
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