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Today’s quote is from a 19th century American president:
“In every battle there comes a time when both sides consider themselves beaten, then he who continues the attack wins.”
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U.S. Grant?
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The quote reminds me of a poem I heard many years ago. Don’t know where it came from.
On the plains of desolation,
Rest the bones of countless millions
Who,
At the dawn of victory,
Sat down
To rest
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Before work this morning, I went to the Pool and swam a 1/4 mile. I feel so good now.
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Sherman?
I just read that a volcano is about to erupt in Alaska. The planet is at work.
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Joe B. We just returned from a workout at the ‘Y. I don’t know that I feel better, but it keeps me moving.
The word “rest” in the poem above should have been “bleach”, but it doesn’t change the meaning. I used it at the Naval War College to start a paper on “The Schliffen Plan”, which was the German offensive that started WW I. I then said that the French also had a plan, “Plan XXII”. Nobody studies it because it didn’t almost work. It required that the French troops attack with “elan”, whatever that means. It did get multiple thousands of Frenchmen killed.
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I just read that the mother of octuplects has 6 other children and conceived these through fertility treatment. As a former infertility patient even I think something is a little off about that. Most of us are just thrilled to get the one we get and figure it’s someone else’s turn. I don’t think my doctor would have over stimulated my ovaries and created a situation where I would have become pregnant with that many multiples. I also don’t think he would have gone ahead with fertilization of that many eggs. The most I ever had was 3.
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Little off-topic, but I’d like to issue a call for readers to head over to Michelle McGinty’s blog on Beleifnet and express support for her as she battles cancer. She’s being set upon by a group of atheist trolls who are using her weakened state to heap abuse on her.
http://blog.beliefnet.com/reformedchicksblabbing/
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This quote reminds me of another one…
The hour before dawn is the darkest.
Unfortunately, I think our night of economic crisis is just starting. With the boneheads in congress spending money like water, on useless items, we’ll not see the light of day for a long time.
I would bet without even looking at the numbers, that if you analyzed the layoffs, the vast majority of them would be from small businesses and corporations – NOT institutional or governmental. Yet… where is all the bailout money being spent?
Well, billion$ of that money is going into things like helping the Smithsonian, and coupons to help people upgrade to digital TV. ??? I love the Smithsonian, but folks if you really want to help the jobless right now, then help out the eeeeeevil corporations by lowering corporate taxes.
And then for heavens sake finally address these troubled assets that there’s been such a ballyhoo about. That’s the elephant in the room that no one wants to look at. Supposedly the first $700 billion was supposed to address that, it was decided that they would do something else with the first $250 billion of that, and since the goofballs in charge haven’t been accountable with that money, it’s all come to a screeching halt.
Now we have the other $880+ billion bill, and it’s not addressing these problems either.
And then someone who will be forever unnamed, suggested that all those porcine items I listed the other day that are in the latest bailout bill were all “jobs”.
Oh help. If folks can’t tell the difference between bailouts for institutional and governmental programs vs. business and corporate bailouts, then there’s not much hope for the economy. We’re just going to have to hunker down and bear it…
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I e-mailed Heath Shuler to tell him that I appreciated his vote against the so-called stimulus package.
It isn’t really meant to help anything. It’s meant to start new government programs, which of course, has to be refinanced for ever.
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Joe B, how long did it take you to swim that? Dont be patting yourself on the back for being like the Wheaties guy.
Chas, elan means “force” or perhaps panache. Those mass wave frontal assaults of WWI turned men into lemmings. No wonder Pierre is so gun shy from then onward.
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Why do federal legislators never impose an exit strategy or a sunset commission on Fed programs. Otherwise as Chas has pointed out they just keep going and going and going.
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I am a squid Sawgunner. It took me about 15 to 20 minutes.
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Confessions
I often listen to Rush.
I often listen to Hugh Hewitt.
I go to Powerline for real news.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/
I don’t understand how so many can think that socialism can work.
As I blog, I can hear the foghorn down at the harbor.
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My concern with the octuplets, nosey one that I am, is: is there a dad in the lives of these fourteen children? Children need dads. We live in a time when science and medicine have made it possible to do a lot of things not everybody agrees with. We have agreed to let people have children through in vitro and other means, we cannot then begin saying: no, not that one or: no, not that many, or: no, not that color,: or no, not that sex. We will, though, as we continue to attempt to stamp out the image of God.
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I think I just read that Random is getting a job as a Walmart greeter so those who have missed crossing swords with him here, can find him there!
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Mumsee,
I have the same concerns about the octuplets. But I do think doctors can and should use caution in how much they stimulate the ovaries.
You made me laugh about Random and Wal-Mart.
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Just sort of repeating what he said on another thread.
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Mumsee, all I’ve heard about the father of the octuplets is that he’s headed for Iraq soon.
A couple of morning programs featured “medical ethicians,” speaking about whether or not a mother should keep that many fertilized eggs in the womb, but I haven’t heard anyone comment on the ethics of a doctor performing in vitro fertilization on a single woman who already has 6 children.
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Kayvee, going thru with as many pregnancies as you like without a husband to share the burden is a woman’s constitutional right (to do what is really a stupid hurtful thing).
What in the wide world of sports is going on with Ted Haggard? Will he receive counseling from Ray Boltz? (”C’mon in Ted, the water’s fine!”)
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Well I took the trash out this morning, it took me maybe 5-10 minutes, and I feel so much better, too!
It’s moving day at our office, we’ve packed all our work-ly belongings into 2 (each) big yellow crates on wheels (used as go-carts by the guys in photo who loved racing them across the newsroom during slow times). Our phones switched off earlier than planned, though, so we’re all having to use cells to finish our reporting on stories for the weekend.
At the end of the night shift tonight, we’ll officially move to our new office.
(And check out 48 Hours tomorrow night, our best-ever cops reporter will be featured in the story they’re doing about a local murder our paper covered extensively.)
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Maybe your old iphone will appear when you unpack!
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Sawgunner – my point referred to the ethics of the doctor and not the mother. He/She also has the constitutional right to free speech and should have had the common sense to say NO [actually, in his place I would have said "are you out of your mind?"]. From what I heard on several TV reports this AM, most doctors will only implant 2 or 3 eggs. As no one expected to see the 8th baby, I can’t help but wonder how many eggs were implanted to begin with? More importantly, why more than 2 or 3?
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I’m back from the world of the flu. Our whole family of six got hit with it last week. 7 days of 103 fever, deep cough, shakes and chills and aches…It is times like this that I am SO thankful for my overall health. Now I haven’t run for 8 days. Yuck…I will try tomorrow! HOpe everyone has been doing well!
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Donna J – I’ve moved with several offices, and somehow there was always something that didn’t show up at the new place, no matter how carefully you packed. Hope you put anything important in your car.
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I’m hand-delivering my rolodexes & a couple other things. Most of our files had to be tossed, we apparently don’t have much in the way of storage space at the next office.
As for the lost iphone turning up, it would figure that I’d find it AFTER I replaced it, wouldn’t it? But since it’s been missing for more than a month now, I’m guessing it’s been long ago hawked on Craig’s List for a premium price.
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Glad to see you back, momof4, I was concerned for you.
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For those of you concerned about the 2nd amendment This is interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE
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Michael Steele has won the chairmanship of the Republican National Committee.
Congratulations Mr. Steele!
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So, it was you, Momof4. We were worried about you. Don’t overdo.
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I did hear about the ethics of doing the in vitro and using 8 embryos. The hospital spokesman said they have no policy regarding this.
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Somebody educate me on this.
Do you mean that an unmarried woman with six children and no identifiable father went to a hospital and had eight eggs implanted into her?
I’m missing something here.
Or, am I being misled by logic?
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Glad to see you back Momoffour.
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Scary video KBells. If they think it’s bad now, wait till they’re faced with shiara.
A quote from the video; “There has been a 40% increase in violent crime since the (gun) ban.”
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I hope I did not start a rumor. One of the stories I read, a “friend” revealed to the press the name of the woman’s family and when they staked out her house, they learned that the woman lived there with her mom and dad and her six kids. No mention of a dad which does not mean he does not exist.
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I heard that the father is going back to Iraq.
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Chas,
You summed it up correctly, at least according to the news reports.
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Chas, I think the lady is married, but I fail to understand why she wanted fertility treatments with six kids. I don’t know if the father is their father, too. At the least, it seems irresponsible on the part of the doctors. Did they not inquire as to how many children she had? And why implant at least 8 embryos. Doctors, of all people, must know that it was possible that all 8 would take. I cannot fathom why the woman did this at all, certainly not the extent that she did.
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Bush thinks he’s still president.
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/01/clinton_lawyer_on_bushs_exec_privilege_claim_there.php
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Oh, there are lots of reasons for wanting more kids. She might have six kids that she adopted, how do we know? And her husband might be a new one and he and she have never had kids together. Who knows, people have lots of reasons for the things they do, not all of us will agree with all the reasons.
Here is the big one I would not agree with: my child has a terminal disease and his only hope for survival is if I have another child and his is compatible to donate such and such (bone marrow, kidney, heart,…)
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Maybe she loves having kids and is a terrific mom. Many have gone before her who were.
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Here’s a link to more info on the birth of eight, apparently they don’t want anyone to know where they are, after the babies are released from the hospital.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28927339/
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I read this story earlier today, that the mother has six children ages two to seven (a kid a year except that apparently there’s a set of twins in there), and the story said it wasn’t known whether she was married. When I first heard the news story about their birth, I thought it was a very hard thing, but basically “good news.” Now I can only think those poor kids, and what a thoughtless doctor to allow such a thing. Even if she’s married, nobody who has six kids (the youngest only a year or so, if the youngest is two now) should be undergoing fertility treatments–and implanting eight or more embryos? Insane. And if she’s single, doubly wrong. The whole story sickens me now, and I wonder what kind of life these kids will have.
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So Bob confesses that his prime sources of information are three right-wing propagandists, and then that he doesn’t understand why so many people don’t share his paranoid fears of what he probably sincerely thinks is “socialism.”
Hmm … probably because people who don’t get their information from propaganda mills understand that Obama’s policies are actually not socialism?
Interestingly, the right threw up a lot of these same objections to Clinton’s economic ideas, and he ended up presiding over the greatest-ever peacetime economic expansion in the country’s hisory.
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SteveG,
Let’s define our terms. How are you defining socialism?
*feels like Musing for a moment*
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#43 Steve G
“Hmm … probably because people who don’t get their information from propaganda mills understand that Obama’s policies are actually not socialism?”
SCHIP is to give medical are for children, right? In the new bill it will cover “children” up to 30 years old and there will be no means testing for income. Sounds like socialized medicine to me. How does it sound to you? Oh, and MediCare for all over 65. Only 35 years to go before we will all be covered.
If this is not socialized medicine then tell me what it should be called?
Oh, and have you looked at Powerline? Or did you just lump all of them together?
By the way, just where do you get your information from that is unbiased? Inquiring minds want to know!
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Cameron: The dictionary definition works just fine. Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
See, actual socialism means the government owns the means of production. “Socialized medicine” would mean the government owns and manages all the hospitals and health care providers. Nothing close to that is on the table.
Just as they have done with “treason,” the rightwingers have thrown this word around so loosely that it’s lost it’s real meaning. Funding government programs with tax revenue is the way that governments have always done, but when Obama proposes it, it’s labeled “socialism” and all the panic alarms go off.
If you think about it, we’ve had socialized law enforcement, socialized emergency response, socialized water and sewer services, socialized fire protection, for decades. The government owns and manages the law enforcement agency. You don’t call a private security firm to come arrest the burglars in your house and then pay a bill for the service. This seems to work well and nobody complains about the “socialism” of it, even though it’s much closer to real socialism than anything Obama’s asking for.
Bob Buckles: So was it Hugh or Rush that told you those things? They’re both wrong.
The federal legislation defines “child” as being under 19 years of age.
The federal legislation itself delegates setting specific income levels to the states administering the programs, but it sets limits on them. The higher above the poverty level that the state sets the limits, the less federal contribution there is.
You can read the actual legislation (go to http://thomas.loc.gov and search for HR. 2), or you can take Hugh Hewitt’s word for it.
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