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How ’bout them US merchant ship crewmen who repulsed the attempted Somali takeover of their ship?? Heroes right up there with the pilot and in-flight crew who landed in the Hudson.
And talk about living up to the “Few Good Men” mantra.. Actor R. Lee Ermey (aka “The Gunny” on History Channel’s show, Mail Call) found a huge wad of cash in Missoula Montana. He promptly deposited it in a Wells Fargo bank.
No word yet on the grateful guy who’ll step forward to claim it. How do you LOSE misplace etc that much dough?
Some navy guy on my FOB managed to lose a lap top computer and the entire FOB went on lockdown. It eventually turned up. (#$@& squids!!!) Truly there is no deck big enough for that joker to swab
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I am going to be busy today. I have a Women’s Council of Realtors meeting this morning. I have to take my two Easter baskets to be bid on. After that I have a company meeting. Now that David has me as his full time broker he thinks he owns every minute of my day;)
Point is I don’t have time to keep all of you in line today, so play nice without me.
Everyone have a blessed day as we head into Easter weekend.
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Sawgunner, I read that. But don’t they still hold the Captain hostage? We need to pray for his safe return.
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The world will soon see how well all those SEALS got trained out there at Coronado California. Or so I hope.
I was amazed that the crew overthrew their captors. Allegedly without having any firearms aboard.
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Is today’s quote from The Sting?
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Sawgunner:
The more I hear about this, the less I understand. The captain is hostage. The destroyer Bainbridge is on site. The lifeboat the pirates are in is out of gas. They are negotiating. I don’t see what the pirates have to negotiate. “Give us the captain and you get to live. Otherwise all of you are dead.”
Yet, here is a quote from an article on Drudge. ”There does seem to be movement of other pirated ships towards the area in question,” the analyst said. “There are a myriad of different reasons why one would do that. There’s apparently some co-ordination going on.”
None these “myriad of different reasons” are explained. Under normal circumstances, If I were a pirate, I would head 180 degrees from a US destroyer.
Lots of this I don’t understand.
If I were a young man, I might consider going into piracy. Lots of money. No danger. Good press. Probably heroes back home.
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Maybe I’m conditioned by the attitudes that prevailed when I was a young man. Back then, a good way to stay alive was not to threaten to kill someone else. Also, it helped if you had the means to react to a threat.
They say the merchant ships in the area are unarmed.
Piracy seems a recession proof career for a young man. No degrees required.
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Chas, on the lobby TV this moring (near the hospital pharmacy windows if anyone cares) the news was all about how the skipper volunteered to be hostage if they’d release the rest of the crew. So my celebration of some sort of underdog mutiny against the armed freebooters was suffice it to say greatly over-exaggerated.
Meanwhile MAERSK shipping lines’ CEO is doing a great PR job with this.
They interviewed family members of the skipper’s hometown.
I’m with you Chas, one way to halt future piratical acts against ships flying Old Glory? Fifty cal guns aimed at those inflatable boats and/or the pirates in them. The waters off Somalia are quite shark infested. I think all future pirate predators would get the message pretty quick.
I thought we had a retired USN Master Chief lurking on this blog. I’ll defer to him and Lynn Vincent for insight on navel affairs.
(oops…change that to naval)
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Yes, The Sting.
Interesting link to show what the International Space Station they’re building in space looks like so far, and will look like in the future. I had no idea.
http://i.usatoday.net/tech/graphics/iss_timeline/flash.htm
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1/5 [Don't say I don't warn you when you need to start ignoring me. Did llama ever do the same?]
I have been engaging in a discussion with a comment poster who uses the screen name “Yeah.” This discussion left off at the end of last night’s Whirled Views. Discussion threads don’t last very well after a day or two of participation; so I am restarting it in today’s Whirled Views.
I have been trying to draw more of the Christians into participating because this discussion seems to me to highlight some contradictions with many comments that have been made to me over the last few years on worldmagblog. I have asked people to comment and I find their silence so far rather puzzling. However, it may be taking some people time to come up with comments.
I will start with some “meta” comments. Matt Y asked if I’m irritated with Y. I had to think about this. Sometimes when people irritate me, I realize it is because they display faults I don’t like to acknowledge in myself. For example, I am very sarcastic with many posters at worldmagblog, such as Victoria, for example. Yeah is very sarcastic with me. It is quite clever of him to turn what may be a fault in my behavior on me. It doesn’t prove many (if any) of his points, but it throws my “game” off. Good for him.
Also, I don’t like the screen name “yeah” because it sounds like a regular word. That’s a silly reaction on my part, so I will ignore it from now on.
Yeah criticized what he calls my tendency to “psychoanalyze him.” which I interpret as an attempt to guess or infer his intentions or motives.
I can comprehend his irritation with that, though there’s a similar behavior on the part of some Christians here, so I’m not sure there is much basis for complaint. In any event, Yeah’s last comment to me from last night was:
“You say the Christian answer isn’t “better” than yours. OK. So be it. You don’t like what you hear. But unlike you, the Christian can make moral judgments rationally. There is no contradiction in acknowledging moral absolutes and calling something “wrong.” You, on the other hand, have admitted to holding the paradoxical idea that it somehow makes sense to call things “wrong” while simultaneously disavowing the whole concept of wrongness. That’s why, when you start wrestling with these things, you have to put words like immoral in quotes. And at that point, any argument you make related to ethics becomes an empty suit. And that’s better how?
This is a subtle point. Whether it can be called “psychoanalyzing” or something else, it is inferring my state of mind.
Before I don’t like what I hear comes the point I don’t believe what I am hearing is based on truth. I don’t think the Bible provides a true description of the nature of the universe. If there is no God, what difference does it make if I like what God has to say?
Finally, there is an old cliché that runs The best defense is a good offense. Mostly Yeah concentrates on attacking what I have said. He’s done a skillful job of pointing out weak points. However, he doesn’t provide much in the way of explaining and presenting what he believes, or explaining why it’s better than what I believe, or better than what most of the Christians here believe.
Which brings me back to the so far puzzling silence of most of the Christians at worldmagblog.
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2/5 [Random you are too long people often say. Random you don't cover x, y and z people often tell me. I have been married 43 years, so I am used to being told off in may contradictory ways.]
I will summarize as concisely as I can my assumptions and basic beliefs on some of the issues in dispute here.
I would characterize myself as an agnostic person very close to atheist. I do not know how the universe began. I do not believe human beings have a soul which lasts after we die. I believe that Judaism and Christianity are myths. By myth I mean stories that were put together by various writers and thinkers over centuries. These myths probably served several purposes.
In a time before science, myths provided explanations such as how did the universe begin? Where did people come from? Why do we suffer and die? After humans developed science, we have better answers to some questions, but many remain unanswered and we may never be able to answer them. Myths have some value as literature; I doubt they have much value as explanation.
Besides providing explanatory myths, religion provided a way to organize humanity as it developed from hunter-gatherer clan-based small groups to agricultural chief based tribes to city states and nations led by kings. Priests and kings worked together to organize and control large groups of people. Organizing society in constructive ways is still a huge problem for human beings. I don’t believe religion has a record of great success. I don’t believe secular alternatives have a record of great success.
Religion also provided a way for humans to express values of right and wrong. I believe morality/ethics is not based on “absolute values” provided by a deity. I think they were created by human beings because they served useful purposes and met psychological needs. This is the core of the dispute between Yeah and me, and where he has criticized m most effectively. However, I will come back to the problem of truth. If religious belief is not true, how can it be better? I think Yeah suffers from a similar problem as the one he accuses me of.
He wrote last night:
but the part about ‘how we decide what is good or bad’ isn’t a difficult proposition for the Christian who regards Scripture as authoritative: WE don’t decide; God has already done that, and revealed his moral code in the Bible.
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3/5 [You are probably not reading any more by now, but at least this is a short message. In any case, if you comment to me about any of the topics I am covering this morning, I will post these comments over and over and over again. I am not kidding. I have a new laptop and a new wireless router and I am not kidding. Also, I shoot bunnies.]
isn’t a difficult proposition for the Christian who regards Scripture as authoritative:
I don’t regard Scripture as authoritative. I am posting comments on a web site where the overwhelming majority of participants regard it as authoritative.
I have read thousands of comments arguing whether or not it is authoritative. I am not sure where we go from here. As far as I can see, we are stuck.
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[4/5 Only two more laps to go. You can do it. Breathe. Kick. Stroke. Breathe. Kick. Stroke.]
Is my morality better than Yeah’s? Is his morality better than mine?
Yeah mischaracterizes me in saying that I present my ethical system as based on absolutes.
Here is one of my OPINIONS of my basis for my OPINIONS of ethics.
As an atheist who does not believe in life after death, I think life is the only thing we really have. If a human being murders another human being, he takes probably the most valuable thing that person has. Therefore, I oppose murder. I would not like to be murdered, one of the reasons I don’t murder other people, though at times I have had murderous thoughts about other people.
This opinion is based on a value we call empathy. I believe empathy is one of the bases for the quality we call ethics, which is a human quality that probably developed by physical and cultural evolution.
This is not an absolute value. This is not an absolute value. This is not an absolute value.
As a basis for ethics, empathy has man flaws and weaknesses, one of the reasons why humans are a mess and why human society is a mess.
Also, if I kill somebody, I will probably be captured and punished. Humans don’t entirely depend on empathy (because it is a very frail protection). We also have laws and punishments, which are also very frail and imperfect. (One page I just looked at listed 17,000 people murdered in the United States in 2005.)
Also, if someone attacks me with deadly force, ethically and legally I have the right to defend myself with deadly force. (I am not particularly good at combat and except for a single shot pellet rifle for shooting rabbits which I keep unloaded on a high shelf so my five-year-old granddaughter won’t get into it, I am not well armed.)
So if anyone reading my messages comes after me with deadly intent, my chances are not good.
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5/5 [Our treadmill is broken, so my wife and I are going to go for a walk this morning. I hope no rabbits with pellet rifles are waiting for us along our dirt road.]
So where do we go from here?
There are two directions I would like to see.
One is for Yeah. Besides attacking me, which he is welcome to do, I would like to see him state his beliefs in a clear fashion. We have one of his beliefs, at least, which is that there may be grounds for putting homosexuals to death if they engage in homosexual actions, not if they have homosexual inclinations, which he considers too subtle for me.
In any case, I would like to learn more about his belief system. Matt Y touched a little on this last night, but I would like to get a clearer picture of his beliefs.
The second is for the rest of worldmagblog. I do not keep a database of every word posted on this web site, though I often feel as I should. However, I often feel as if I waste far too much time visiting this web site as it is. In any case, people have many times commented that they do not wish to physically harm homosexuals. I presume this includes homosexuals who are actively engaging in homosexual sexual relations. You consider it is a sin, I believe, you consider it is harmful to health, I believe, you consider it is harmful to society I believe, you oppose homosexual marriage, I believe, but you do not believe in putting homosexuals to death. (A practice that does happen sometimes in places such as Africa and the Middle East, I believe.)
Also, Yeah says he could be “persuaded” one way or the other by Scriptural arguments.
I think the Christians here are better at presenting “Scriptural arguments” than I am. We live in an age of specialization. When I need to fix our pickup truck, I take it to a good mechanic. My eyes have cataracts. I am going in next week so my HMO can run some more tests to see if it is safe to operate on my eyes. I am not going to just look in the mirror and then say to my eye doctor, “OK, go ahead, start cutting.”
OK, Christians at WMB, please persuade Yeah whether Scripture tells him if it is OK to execute homosexuals engaged in homosexual sexual relations or Scripture tells him it is not OK. Tell me, too, while you are at it. Thank you.
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Chas,
If you are ever in Key West, there is a great pirate museum – Pirate Soul Museum. A truly great collection of artifacts, memoribilia. Well worth a visit.
Rated “Arrr”, of course. (ducking)
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I’ve only visited Key West once Travis. We go to Florida once every winter for a week, but it’s a long way down there. At the time, we flew into Miami and rented a car. I may go again soon, if so, I’ll be sure to visit the museum.
They used to hang pirates, I understand. Now we try to reason with them. They’re just trying to make a living, and times are tough all over.
As you might suspect by reading my comments with Sawgunner,I have a solution to this problem. Very simple, but politically incorrect.
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I’ll be honest with your RANDOM NAME, I will comment occasionally on issues you bring up, questions you have, but only if you’re serious. And since you already admit to not believing in God or the authority of Scripture, we are already at an impasse. I can’t convince you for the things of God are spiritually discerned, but I am willing to talk. I have to warn you though, it sometimes takes me awhile to respond;our one computer serves three people (it would be four, but our son is only five).
As to why the stoning of homosexuals isn’t appropriate is that the judicial law that governed the ancient nation of Israel, the “case law” that judges used to rule the people are no longer valid.
The moral law of God is yet binding;God’s moral character hasn’t changed. Other parts of the ancient laws have changed, too. The ceremonial laws governing holiness and worship by and large prefigured the coming of Christ and since his death and resurrection are no longer observed. To continue relying on the sacrificial system would be to deny the efficacy of Christ’s atonement.
And Jesus became our “High Priest” and intercedes on our behalf before the Father. So, even the rules governing the priesthood of ancient Israel underwent a change as well with the ripping of the veil in the temple. And the dietary laws were abrogated in Acts 10 with Peter’s vision.
There is also the fact that the New Covenant is one of life and grace while ancient Israel struggled in the faith under a covenant of death in a lot of ways. Too often today, Christians have used “grace” as a license for self indulgence but that’s a post for another time.
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#17 Deet,
Thanks for a good post. Few today understand the distinction between civil-political laws intended to govern the nation of Ancient Israel compared to the universal moral laws God passed onto the Israelites for all mankind. (Universal Law true for all people everywhere at all times)
I had occasion to speak with the pastor of University Baptist Church in Austin Texas about his non-issue with ordination of a gay man to be deacon. His response was “Do you keep kosher?” To conflate the dietary restrictions with Levitical prohibitions on homosexuality/bestiality etc seemed to me then as now a bit flippant. Today Austin’s University Baptist church gets most of its funding from out of town homosexual groups. The gay deacon flap alienated most of the college students at the church.
Sitting as it does right across the street from the UT campus, this was truly stunning
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Hubby brought home a doe, three kids, a ewe, a lamb, and two pigs. They are all still alive this morning. One kid is a bottle baby so the others are kind of rough on it. The dogs are taking over guarding them. I like that.
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Mumsee, it takes a well trained dog to be trusted guarding a kid.
My wife insists that I have a varied diet, even when she isn’t here. So, for lunch I had a small barbeque pork sandwich, a couple of saltines with pomento cheese, and finally, a peanut butter on graham cracker sandwich. Is that not variety?
I was reading about forgiveness this morning, but if any of you squeal on me, it’s enemies forever.
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Deet,
Thank you for your reply. I understand the constraints under which you are operating. I don’t think anyone should let reading and commenting on this web site should interfere with their normal life.
As I have posted quite a bit so far, I will be quiet and check back later to see what people post. I am being quite serious today.
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Chas, could I get Elvera’s e-mail address? Um, no particular reason, just asking.
Mumsee, a live doe? I’m missing something here–an injured animal that needs to be nursed back to health? A new experiment in farming?
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Random – Some comments to you…
1. Deet’s #17 on this WVs & Matt Y’s #108 on yesterday’s WVs seem to answer your query pretty well, I think.
2. Take it from a “friend”, Random, you’re sounding a bit too obsessed with Yeah. You’re starting to freak me out, Dude!
3. You say, “Which brings me back to the so far puzzling silence of most of the Christians at worldmagblog.”
This is puzzling to me cuz I’m not sure what we’re being silent about. The issue with Yeah & whether or not homosexuals should be put to death? (I’d say only if they are homosexual pirates who are taking over ships & threatening people.) You’ve had at least a couple answers on this.
A couple reasons, I think, that we don’t always answer a query right away, especially if the answer is complicated in any way, is that maybe we don’t have time right then, or we figure somebody else will come along with an answer.
So, failing to answer doesn’t mean that we don’t have an answer.
Is there anything else that you think we’re being silent on?
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Just want to clear up (yet again!) one misconception about the Christian view of morality. Random Name says,
The Christian view is not that absolute values are “provided by a deity,” but that truth is based in the character of the triune God. In other words, God didn’t sit down one day and come up wiht a list of values to hand down to us. God simply is and that which is good and holy and true is that which reflects God’s character.
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Random Name,
People’s lack of response to your request for comments is not surprising when you have suggested that people not read your comments. I had no idea what Karen O was responding to in #23 because I hadn’t done more than skimmed over your five long comments, which looked like more of the usual.
I read your comments if they are short and to the point. I skip most people’s long comments unless I can see that it pertains to a subject I’m particularly interested in, and is likely to contain something I haven’t read before.
I don’t object to reading your comments about religion or morality. But I’m already familiar with your views. So why read it again?
I didn’t follow your discussion with Yeah very far either. There are some exceptions, but mostly I stop following a thread when it gets down to two people carrying on an extended discussion, especially on a topic that’s been covered so much already.
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Excellent posts on the law by Deet & Ree above (and Matt Y yesterday).
Many of us have heavy work schedules and limited time unfortunately to delve into long discussions sometimes. But many here have provided clarity on how the biblical law is rightly to be applied in a serious study of Scripture.
I’ve had a very busy week, wrote 5 stories in the course of the last 2 days alone. But I’m actually off on a vacation day today and tomorrow (YAY), my friend Kathy (an LA school teacher on spring break) is coming to my place today and we’ll likely be up until midnight gabbing and catching up with each other’s lives (we were ‘roomies’ in our post-college days in the late 1970s).
Things at the newspaper remain shaky, we’re no longer earning any vacation time for the next 3 months (and being urged to take whatever time we have saved up).
I never thought I’d see newspapers (& even maybe magazines as we know them) just vanish, but I don’t know how things will turn around at this point. The internet, in fact, is changing many businesses, so much of what people used to pay for or advertise on is now simply available for free. Many “old,” long-standing business models are fast being swept away.
Mumsee, my dogs are SO jealous. I think my post-journalism career should be somewhere on a sheep ranch with my wanna-be cow dogs.
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I need a good laugh today. Where’s Llama?
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Chryl, fortunately for me, Elvera doesn’t do computers.
I see that Hillary has said that the nations should come together to end piracy.
Ask the Marines how they ended piracy by the Berbers in 1804.
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It seems to me that you’re positing the “absolute value” of man. Whereas the ultimate reference point for the Christian is the character of God, your ultimate reference point is the survival of man. But if man is just an accident of the universe, our continued existence is meaningless, and therefore, so are your ethics. That’s why Yeah doesn’t have the same problem you do. He (and we) can say that something is good or bad, better or worse, in relation to an eternally meaningful ultimate reference point. But when you say that something is good or bad or better or worse, the appropriate philosophical response is a yawn. Man exists or he doesn’t. The universe exists or it doesn’t. Who cares? On what basis does it matter? If that which you define as good or evil pertains to an ultimate good that’s ultimately meaningless, your “values” are suspended in midair while ours are rooted in an ultimate reality.
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Cheryl,
A doe is a female goat. Hubby brought home a milk goat with two babies and an extra baby. The babies will become two wethers (castrated buck wannabes) and the doeling will grow up to be a doe (and a milkable one at that). The wethers will either become dinner or lawn mowers.
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Donna J,
The dogs will not be herding the goats, sheep, or pigs, only guarding so your herding dogs need not be jealous.
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Ah, so it would seem that you need some herding dogs ???
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Mumsee, I was hopeful about this situation until you told me about wethers.
Obama refused to comment on the pirate/hostage situation. I would have told the reporter, “The captain of the Bainbridge has been authorized to resolve the situation, with as little bloodshed as possible. But he is the commander on site.”
(This may have been what happened, BTW.)
The conjunction of these two subjects in coincidental.
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Fifty Years of Math 1959-2009 (in the USA)
Last week I purchased a burger at Burger King for $1.58. The counter girl took my $ 2 and I was digging for my change when I pulled 8 cents from my pocket and gave it to her. She stood there, holding the nickel and 3 pennies, while looking at the screen on her register. I sensed her discomfort and tried to tell her to just give me two quarters , but she hailed the manager for help. While he tried to explain the transaction to her, she stood there and cried.. Why do I tell you this? Because of the evolution in teaching math since the 1950s:
1. Teaching Math In 1950s
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100.. His cost of production is 4/5 of the price. What is his profit?
2. Teaching Math In 1960s
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100.. His cost of production is 4/5 of the price, or $80. What is his profit?
3. Teaching Math In 1970s
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100.. His cost of production is $80. Did he make a profit?
4. Teaching Math In 1980s
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100.. His cost of production is $80 and his profit is $20. Your assignment: Underline the number 20.
5. Teaching Math In 1990s
A logger cuts down a beautiful forest because he is selfish and inconsiderate and cares nothing for the habitat of animals or the preservation of our woodlands. He does this so he can make a profit of $20. What do you think of this way of making a living? Topic for class participation after answering the question: How did the birds and squirrels feel as the logger cut down their homes? (There are no wrong answers, and if you feel like crying, it’s ok.)
6. Teaching Math In 2009
Un hachero vende una carretada de maderapara $100. El costo de la producciones es $80. Cuanto dinero ha hecho?
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DJ- I think Llama was the one banished the other day.
I feel slighted again. There was a scholarship signing today at our small, rural school. A girl who gets top grades and is a good athlete signed a full ride academic scholarship to Notre Dame, as well as something for the track team. (She was a state champion high jumper as a freshman). The AD, when listing her influences and support network included everyone but the teachers! How does one get an academic scholarship without teachers???!!!
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Yes, KBELLS, while you and your gaggle sit there praying…. THANKFULLY, we’re working on it. It’s just a sickness, I tell ya, a sickness.
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Peter L
I’m sorry to hear he’s gone. He did surprise me from time to time (in a good way), and I don’t know anyone else who is so positive about the stock market.
My son told me just the other day that he got a full scholarship to Northern Illinois University—graduate school–jazz guitar! There is positively NO WAY to get that without loads of teacher recommendations PLUS superior auditions. Sports must be different. I think they’re too interested in building winning teams, and you have to wonder if some of the schools have the students’ best interests at heart.
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Scott,
What ARE you doing about it? Are you a hostage negotiator?
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MATT Y:
I like that math lesson. It explains a lot.
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Matt Y: Thanks for the math lesson comment. I cannot tell you the number of times this has happened to us.
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KI, SHE say “Thanks for the math lesson comment. I cannot tell you the number of times this has happened to us.”
Really, KI? Basic addition should help you to figure out the sum total. Use a scratch pad, and don’t forget to carry your ones.
(ducking)
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Scott, what would you suggest I do, load up the kid, the cat and my cutlass and go get the guy back myself?
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There was a guy working at a local non-profit I know who was getting his BA going to evening classes. When he missed a math exam the teacher told him he could make it up by writing an essay about “how you feel about math”. Some schools are all about collecting tuition and very little more.
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I could have easily aced an essay exam on how I “feel” about math.
Not that that’s a good thing … Just sayin’
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Can anyone confirm the scuttle I heard? Rick Warren uber-Pastor and heir-apparent to Billy Graham has now come out in oppo to Prop 8.
Well he voted for it before he opposed it.
Looks like Rick will morph into Joel Osteen right before our eyeballs!
Up next? The Politically Driven Church? I think we have enough of those already, Pastor Rick.
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I think KI was referring to how many times a cashier couldn’t figure out how much change to give without help from a computerized cash register, not that KI couldn’t figure it out.
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Deet wins the cappucino! The Sting is correct…
~@)
Enjoy
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I must insist on a new headshot. I look like a chipmunk!
>:P
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No, you don’t, Lynn. You look really cute! (Cute in a pretty way.)
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Thanks for the vote of confidence, Karen
Still looks to me like I’ve got some food for winter stashed in my cheeks!
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Didn’t notice that in the least Lynn.
Looks to me like you have nice smile, as well as a sassy hairstyle. Nice Avatar.
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Prettiest chipmunk I’ve ever seen.
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I like the new hair-do. As a matter of fact I’ve recently gotten a similar hair cut, only on me it comes off kind of Sara Jane Moreish.
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#41 Travis, LOL. I always was math challenged! My husband is great at it, though. Almost has a major in it. You would maybe have to duck if he were reading this.
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KBells – funny/scary.
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Also, when I was younger I would look at pictures of myself and be so critical, now I look at the same pictures and think, “Dang, I wish I still looked that good.”
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#56, ain’t that the truth! same here.
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fKBells & Donna, my wife looks at pictures taken when I was courting her. She says, “I never thought I was good looking.” But she was. She always had a boy friend, but none of them treated her special. Until me, that is.
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Chas, she’s very blessed.
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SAWGUNNER,
You heard right. I’ve read a few articles about it and listened to the King piece as well as Warren’s tape he made for his congregation a week or so before the Prop 8 vote.
There wasn’t so much as a peep about it on FoxNews.com or here for that matter.
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Mumsee, not sure why I didn’t know a female goat is a doe; I’m usually up on my animal terms! (My parents kept goats before I was born, but they always called the females nannies.) Good luck with all of them.
Chas, if Elvera doesn’t have e-mail (I thought she might not), could you give me a phone number where I can reach her? Nothing important, really, but sometime when you won’t be home for a while….
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Don’t do it, Chas! That Cheryl is a tricksy girl.
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Karen, shhh. You’re supposed to be on the girls’ side here, helping boys to eat their icky veggies (post 20).
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Don’t worry Karen, I have my eye on Cheryl. She won’t get away with anything.
Re: The piracy. Bill O’Rilley brought up the question i raised. He asked some “expert”, why no security. “Two Blackwater men could have prevented this.” The expert said no American ship has been hijacked since 1804. That’s all he could say.
Dumb, real dumb.
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Cheryl,
female goat = Doe (aka nanny goat)
male goat = Buck (aka billy goat)
young goat = kid
castrated goat = wether (or bell wether?)
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Matt Y
The stunned expression on the cashier’s face is due to your interruption of her programmed movements. As a cashier, she gives you the total, enters the money you give her and gives you the change the machine indicates. If you interrupt this process, you break her concentration. Nothing like free thinking to wreck a person’s day.
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It makes sense to me. People don’t generally take precautions against things that haven’t been a problem for 200 years. What would be dumb is if they don’t start doing things differently now.
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