How Walter Hoye spent his time in jail
Last week, I had the privilege of interviewing Walter Hoye, an Oakland pastor who refused a judge’s offer of probation and went to jail instead. Hoye, a 52-year-old Missionary Baptist pastor and MBA, told me, “The judge was essentially asking me to stop trying to help men and women outside an abortion clinic, and I just would not voluntarily give up my First Amendment rights.”
Hoye reported to the Santa Rita jail on March 20. Many of his fellow prisoners were drug dealers whose highest aspiration in life was to stay out of jail. From the moment they learned Hoye didn’t have to be there, that he’d chosen jail over probation because of his beliefs, Hoye was in constant demand.
One morning at about 2:30 a.m., a good-looking young man named Terrell approached Hoye’s bunk and asked what actually goes on during an abortion. Using his fingers to simulate a woman’s legs spreading, Hoye showed Terrell how the abortionist inserts a vacuum aspirator and sucks out the developing child.
Terrell, 18, told Hoye he had gotten his girlfriend pregnant and that she had aborted. “She made the decision,” he said. “It was her choice.”
“Yes, I know that, but what did you do?” Hoye replied. “Did you offer to marry her?”
Terrell shook his head. “No, I didn’t.”
“Did you offer to help her raise the child?”
“No, I didn’t.”
“Did you tell her that you love her and that you were going to go the distance with her as a man should, even if she decided to give the child up for adoption?”
“No, no, I didn’t,” Terrell said, his eyes filling with tears. “I never knew. No one ever told me what an abortion is. No one ever made it plain.”
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Clearly both of these men are probably where God would have them be.
I suspect no one ever told Terrell what a condom or IUD are either.
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Yes, this phrase: “No one ever told me what an abortion is. No one ever made it plain.”
If this is true, then what’s all that sex ed about? What’s going on in those classes? Or maybe the guy lives under a rock. I just don’t see how anyone can claim they don’t know what an abortion is.
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NJL, if you only get your information from television, you know that abortion is something every woman has occasionally. No big deal, it’s just something women do.
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Okay, Chas, I know what you’re telling me, but you know how this sort of thing angers me! If ignorance of the law is no excuse, and it is, then ignorance of basic bodily functions ought to be no excuse, too. “Nobody told me” works for little kids, not for big ones.
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An abortion is defined as a “woman’s right”.
An unborn child is defined as “tissue”, and an abortion is just the removal of that tissue. No matter the emotional, psychological, physical, and moral complications of this action, it must be minimized to keep that “right” alive.
If you define it differently and truthfully, however, then abortion is murder of an unborn child.
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Although we did have a case in NJ where a woman sued a doctor because he didn’t tell her that being pregnant meant she was having a baby. Her abortionist said it was a “blob of cells,” she believed him and had the abortion, then later realized she had killed her child. I just can’t imagine anyone being THAT stupid. I knew what being pregnant meant before I left grade school.
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“Nobody told me” works for little kids, not for big ones.
Of course you know as a lawyer that no one who is in jail is really guilty of anything? This tells me that our jails are full of irresponsible people who may as well be children because they aren’t mature enough to make responsible decisions or clean up after themselves.
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I just can’t imagine anyone being THAT stupid.
That’s what being totally self-centered does to you. It’s the human condition.
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In boot camp I met several young men who proudly showed me pix of their fiancee. Of course the fiancee would be holding a toddler or newborn: “Oh that’s our baby.”
I don’t know what to believe about the efficacy of gummint skool sex ed. If we could just get all kids to learn the correct sequence: fall in love, get engaged, get married, have a baby. Until that becomes the norm for loddy doddy ev-ree-body, we will continue to raise up “men” like inmate Terrell.
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A friend of mine was arrested for her involvement in Operation Rescue some 20 years ago. A 50-ish grandmother, she was sentenced to six weeks in the Sybil Brand Institute in Los Angeles. They had to postpone her surrender to prison a couple weeks until she finished serving jury duty . . .
She has said every since that the six weeks she spend in jail were the most spiritually triumphant of her life. All she did from morning until night was minister to the women in jail. She prayed with them, read the Bible to them, listened to them, and counted it a privilege to be in jail. Many regretted their abortions and needed to hear her talk about forgiveness.
My husband often says that if Christians won’t go to jail to minister on their own, God will find ways to send them to hurting people.
A good friend of ours, a dentist, has developed a life-threatening allergy to latex and can no longer practice. He started working yesterday at a maximum security prison overseeing the dental care of prisoners. He and his wife can hardly wait to find out how God will use them in other ways.
I praise God for those willing to follow their convictions wherever God chooses to send them.
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Immaturity and self-centeredness aside, Terrell points to an aspect of abortion that’s not talked about and that’s the men involved.
Sure there’s ignorance and denial but if it’s no big deal to women, why should they care? The thinking is that it’s a woman’s issue, after all. And the ones who do object and try to take responsibility are left with little recourse.
If women are willing to give their bodies without the commitment of marriage and responsibility, then a lot of men will gladly avail themselves of casual sex. By far the greatest recipient of the extremes of feminism is men.
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Wow. What a man Hoye is.
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Michelle, I had to laugh at “had to postpone her surrender to prison two weeks till she finished her jury duty.”
Nice story though.
It would be a fearsome thing to have a life threatning allergy to latex. You find it everywhere.
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#2 NJ Lawyer
“If this is true, then what’s all that sex ed about? What’s going on in those classes?”
If 1/4 to 1/2 of all kids who enter High School don’t graduate, why is anyone surprised that the half that drops out doesn’t know anything? The bottom 20% of my 6th graders couldn’t read. They went up to somewhere between 2.5 and 3.5 grade level in reading and leveled off. I think they are being taught wrong.
There is a large fight in educational circles between two camps of reading: Whole Language vs Phonics based Direct Instruction.
For thse who are interesed in getting way off the beaten path on education, try this.
http://d-edreckoning.blogspot.com/
Do a search on Whole Language reading instruction.
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I’m beginning to wonder, BOB, if half the ones who do graduate know anything either.
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#15 Deet
I have thought for at least 15 years that recent college graduates don’t know much. In CA, education changed in about 1970. Facts stopped being taught and “processes” started being taught. Handwriting and how to hold a pencil or pen stopped being taught and “do your own thing” became the norm. I know this sounds like I’m just an old stuck in the mud fuddy duddy, but…
The men who put people on the moon were for the most part, just high school graduates. I know. The first space capsule was made in my home town, Downey, CA. The Lunar lander was made here. Many of the men who worked on them went to our church. A few hand advanced college degrees, some were actually engineers, the men who made the actual parts didn’t all have advanced education.
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I was agreeing with you, BOB, in #15, maybe it didn’t sound that way. Communicating via computer has it’s drawbacks.
And I think we’d all agree education has changed which isn’t always bad necessarily, but there seems to be a reluctance to confront what the problems are. The push these days is to start earlier, have mandatory pre-school so that maybe by the time they do graduate, they’ll be able to read at least, rather than examine the way reading is taught.
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#17 Deet
I knew you were agreeing.
The push for pre-school won’t work. The research is in on that one. Research is being ignored in education. See my #14.
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NJL – I think that today, people on the “pro-choice” side of the issue remain blissfullty ignorant of just exactly what an abortion entails.
Back in the day, when I was pro-choice, as in “I wouldn’t do it, but I don’t think I have a right to tell anyone else they can’t have one…” I was not pro-abortion. Anyway, I never gave it any real thought. It was like I knew all the physiology involved in having a baby, but until my body actually went through those changes and I actually went through labor and delivery, I “knew,” but I didn’t know about having a baby. I mean, it wasn’t until I was already pregnant and visited a friend in the hospital who had had a baby that day that the stark realization hit me that she still looked like she was about six months pregnant. I had never occured to me to give it any thought until I was hit with the reality that I would still look pregnant even after giving birth.
Planned parenthood and other organizations work very hard to keep people ignorant of all that an abortion entails, I’m not sure if they really detail the procedure from a-z when giving a woman “informed consent” forms to fill out. They don’t want people to know that the tiny baby is violently sucked apart by a vacuum. They don’t expound on the fact that after a certain point, they have to crush the skull with forceps in order to suck it all out. And they would prefer that those of us who find the practice to be abhorrent and barbaric murder not explain these things in great detail to those who go in to have these “proceedures” done. They work so hard to keep the public ignorant of these things, and I think that a lot of people really don’t give them a lot of thought.
I did not find out all the gory details of abortion until I did some personal research into it. I think it is easy to “know” but not really know about just what abortion is and does, especially when it’s couched in such innocuous terminology as “blob of tissue”, “fetus”, etc when many of these sex ed classes are taught. They get merely physiological facts, often stripped of moral implications, sanitized to serve an agenda. And frankly, I think it does not occur to many young people today to really give the matter a whole lot of thought until a Walter Hoye comes along to speak the truth where they live.
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Thanks for a wonderful story. Years ago I went on a pro-life March and was praying for the right words to right on my sign. I was surprised when I John 1:9, kept popping into my head. I ended up writing, “Abortion is Forgivable, with the reference. I got a lot of strange looks even among the marchers. Stories like these, remind me God can use all kinds of things for his good purposes.
I just heard that a young 21 yr. old, who worked a season of fishing under my SIL and with my young grandson, drowned. The body has not been recovered yet. Would you pray-ers, please pray for Tyler’s family and for the recovery of his body? Thank you.
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I have heard that many political deals are done after dark… and politicians want t keep most deals in the dark. I wonder why?
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Good thoughts, Klasko, on the differences about “knowing” and “knowing”. So true.
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I think Klasko is right. I can’t tell you the number of people who think that a fetus is just a “blob of tissue.” LOTS.
In fact, when we had Musing on here (who drove me crazy!), he would regularly argue for abortion, using terms and definitions of the fetus that only applied before 8 weeks. You just couldn’t strap him down to discuss the fetus after 8 weeks, when it looks like a baby, or after 12 weeks, when it is a baby in all senses of the word, but just is very small.
Notice when we debate on here, you will see the pro-choice faction doing the same thing. Limit the discussion to the very early zygote. Use the “tissue” analogy. Focus on the woman and ignore the beating heart, the arms, the legs, the sucking thumb of the baby in utero.
Seriously, a lot of these people really believe that it is just a “blob of tissue” and a “procedure” and that no one gets hurt.
Now, I *am* against abortion in the early weeks too, but it is another ball park to “play in.”
Still, you would be amazed at how many educated people really think of the baby as “tissue” until it is born.
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The other thing….
The issue is so politicized, that when it is discussed in school, they purposely obfuscate and use terms to make it seem more clinical. They do this to try to avoid upsetting any kid whose family is pro-choice.
Of course, the fact that using these clinical, distancing terms then upsets the pro-life family doesn’t seem to mean anything.
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Bob,
As someone who taught elementary school for 14 years, and who has successfully taught all her children to read (and two have read well beyond high school level since the age of 9 or so), you have made too much of a dichotomy.
Throughout educational history, people have gone back and forth between all “phonics” and all “whole language” (or whatever term was being used for it at the time).
A good teacher knows that BOTH are needed. Phonics alone is dry, boring, and a skeleton without flesh. The books that are used are often mind-numbing! Kids taught in only this manner tend to grow up to be ABLE to read, but they DO NOT read unless they are forced to do so. And, in English, phonics is not the entire answer. It is a good part of the answer, but there are a lot of words that just don’t fit the “sound it out” viewpoint.
Whole language is interesting and full, but without phonics holding it up, it is like a skeleton with no bones. It just puddles around on the floor and kids can’t find the pattern or the structure.
The answer is a judicious combination of both, which good teachers have always done. Real literature, poems, writing assignments, and playing with the language PLUS good, solid instruction in phonics and the structure of the language. This makes for a whole body: skeleton and flesh.
This gets you kids who LOVE to read and who read WELL.
It starts in the home, btw. Kids who are surrounded by books, magazines, and parents who read, usually read earlier and better than kids who come from homes where the written word is not valued.
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#25 TRS
I am tired of the educational establishment that says Whole Language is good, when it doesn’t work. I am tired of the educational establishment that doesn’t see a need to memorize math facts.
I am tired of the educational establishment…
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I am tired of the educational establishment…
******Well, I do understand that.
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19. I’ve heard that before. People who were either pro-abortion or didn’t care until their own children were born. I wonder what the pro-life/pro-”choice” ratio is among parents.
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Walter Hoye violated an Oakland City ordinance that prohibits protesters from coming within 8 foot of a woman entering/leaving an abortion facility. Given the long history of intimidation, violence, bombings, and murders by the folks in the anti-choice movement, it’s a very reasonable law. Walter broke the law and he’s paying the price. He could have done work detail or volunteer work to avoid the sentence. He chose not to.
He wanted to make a martyr and news celebrity out of himself, and so he has. Now the conservative Christians will rally ’round the cry that he’s being “persecuted for Jesus”.
No. He broke the law. He’s convicted criminal.
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29. You could say the same thing about Martin Luther King.
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According to the article, he did not break the law. Video shows that he did not come closer than 8 feet, unless he was approached. Did he have to run away? Also, isn’t lying in court or to police officers breaking the law? Why aren’t those people prosecuted?
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TRS, I have encountered analyses of words in English that indicate that 90%-95% of them are phonetically consistent. This doesn’t preclude the problem of homophones, but it does mean that a child can easily decode almost eny word if given a thorough program of phonics training (and barring specific learning disabilities). The most difficult problems occur in spelling when there are multiple possibilities such as in the words reed and read.
Of course, I would rather a child write reed instead of read then to spell it with a stream of meaningless letters or in some phonetically impossible way, such as *redd or *raed.
Kids who have been taught by the Whole Language method tend to remember that certain letters are in a word but cannot get the sequence right. They cannot tell the difference between broad and board or between who and how. That is a problem. Kids who have been taught to read phonetically look at the exact sequence of the letters, because they know that generally that’s how words are distinguished from one another. They might misprounce a few words or spell somewhat inexactly, but their mistakes are understandable and still intelligible.
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There are many children who, if not taught phonics, never read well enough to function in a literate society. This does not work the same way for children not taught by the Whole Language method.
Our educational system complains about “Bush’s No Child Left Behind” but since it’s inception, they have paid attention (at least a little) to what works; i.e. what is backed by research and testing.
Los Angeles Unified School District changed it’s instruction and I saw an improvement in the reading of our students. NCLB made a measurable difference in our students. They read much better. They were given primary reading programs that explicitly taught phonics.
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I still say NCLB and the Dept of Ed are unconstitutional even if they quadruple all measurable performance outcomes.
Have they even raised test scores by 10 points?
Show me the proof! I CAN handle the proof.
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I’d love for Levi Johnston and Terrell to get together and compare notes. I wish they’d do a speaking tour. Maybe kids would listen. But doubtful
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From the Merck Manual:
About 20 to 30% of women with confirmed pregnancies bleed during the 1st 20 weeks of pregnancy; 1/2 of these women spontaneously abort. Thus, incidence of spontaneous abortion is about 10 to 15% in confirmed pregnancies. Incidence in all pregnancies is probably higher because some very early abortions are mistaken for a late menstrual period.
Very roughly this translates to 450,000 abortions per year.
Those whose concerns are truly “the babies” might consider directing their efforts to supporting scientific efforts to understand why this happens, and to “save” these “babies”.
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Arcadia, I think science has already answered why this happens (there’s usually a problem with the fetus, in early miscarriages), and the fact that God has power over life and death isn’t really a problem for believers. It’s when humans decide to play God and kill unborn babies that we have a problem.
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This is not hard for me to belive. Young people are told in the media that abortion is legal and that fetuses are just blobs of tissue from a very early age. Even if you try very hard to sheild your child from these things they still see them at some point. You have to take the responsibility to teach your children the truth.
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