Is the tide of the culture war turning?
Are the culture wars raging unnoticed? ABC’s Rick Klein says that cultural conservatives have received a series of setbacks recently, but all the fervor is over fiscal issues — not social ones. Iowa and Vermont have legalized same-sex marriage. New York, Connecticut and New Hampshire are moving in that direction. Obama rescinded the Mexico City Policy and ended the ban on federal funding for embryonic stem cell research — and the silence, says Klein, is “deafening.”
Dan Gilgoff counters Klein’s view that these are major victories, pointing out the Mexico City Policy change only turned the clock back to the Clinton era and the stem cell decision was only a partial victory for liberals. And 29 states have constitutionally banned gay marriage, while only four have legalized it:
Sure, liberals have racked up a few recent victories in the culture war. But the tide ain’t turning in a haven’t-seen-this-in-decades kind of way.
I think Klein is hearing a deafening silence not becacuse people don’t care or aren’t still fighting, but because covering other stories has taken media precedence. And while GOP leaders who never cared about social issues in the first place may be even less inclined to give them lip service now, recent setbacks won’t change the dedication of conservative leaders who have actually worked on these issues. And the recent attention to Miss California’s answer on gay marriage shows that the silence Klein hears isn’t a constant state.













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Klein just has “selective hearing” like politicians in general and the media.
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In the same way that it diminished art for Andy Warhol to re-define it as “…anything you can get away with,” it will diminish marriage to re-define it the same way.
When the culture war is lost to those who would cheapen art and turn art into a vehicle for political hatred, anger, shock and nonsense, the aesthetic poverty that follows will also help lead to other forms of poverty, including moral poverty.
Aesthetic principles should not be sacrificed so easily.
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Another excellent example of that “selective hearing” is global warming which most scientists agree does not exist.
Did anyone count all the empty red envelopes sent to the white house in remembrance of one child’s life terminated by abortion? I haven’t seen a word.
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Mothers and fathers matter to children. No same-sex partnership or grouping can offer a child a mom and a dad, which marriage was ordained by God to provide for children. The notion that children need a married mom and a dad is not bigotry. Hurt marriage and you hurt children, badly.
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Considering that, in a time of what they consider a religious war with Islam, the Christian culture-warriors couldn’t even nominate a Republican candidate remotely palatable to them, and that even the R’s more centrist candidate got crushed, Mr Klein may have a point.
It does seem like more than a few Republican talking-heads are also backing off of some of the evangelical cultural positions.
But yes, the other guy has a point too. When the banking system is teetering, millions of foreclosures are going on, unemployment and bread lines are expanding, most people have bigger things to worry about than whose genitals are doing what with whom.
Politics is almost always about money, religion is mostly about sex, and their alliance, like a street corner trick, will always be temporary, furtive and deniable.
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ARCADIA,
Politics is a lot about money, true. But also, a lot about sex. Abortion. Homosexual marriage. Sex education. AIDS. Birth control. Even the vaccination for cervical cancer (Gardicil?) is political. In politics, money and sex are inseparable these days, you know, lobby groups, funding and all that.
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The media are a bigger factor than politicians are for influencing the culture. Also, another huge front for cultural conficts is our schools. Politics is just one sector for these concerns.
I think the left tries to force all sorts of cultural issues into the political arena because they often seek to use the force of law and legislation to impose their cultural terms on the rest of us. When the right respond to the left’s initial political power plays on cultural issues, the media and others work to stigmatize the right’s response. But the real battle is played out in daily lives and choices.
Choose freely and wisely.
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In my observation, the left is far more mobilized and motivated to fight a culture war (using blunt political weapons) against fellow citizens on the right than they are to fight the war on terrorism or crime. That’s why they often see those of us on the right as more of a threat than they see vicious terrorists. It’s a fascinating thing to watch play out in public discourse.
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If the non-conservative side “wins”, what do they get? If they get everything they want, will they just quit? or will they move on to something else, and just what will that be?
It seems to me that the left/liberal side of things is never content, they have to be unhappy with the status quo. They are constantly aggrieved. They are never happy with life. They won the last election convincingly but are still after looking to “get” Bush and Cheney!
They can never be satisfied.
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The culture has been turning since Genesis 3.
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Wars are made up of many battles. There are battles to be fought this year like there were last year. And there will be battles to be fought next year, and the next. The Greatest war has already been won and death no longer needs to be a feared enemy. All the other battles are temporary skirmishes over the souls of men, women, and children. While we readily see the results of the battles around us, and victories are enjoyed and defeats mourned, the final results are visible only to those beyond the battlefield. None of us are wise to gloat over supposed victories here. “It is appointed unto man to die, and after that the judgment.” There is One Who Is The Determiner of who really wins the battles here. A temporary victory or loss here is of lesser consequence in light of facing the Judge of all right and wrong.
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My first thought when I read the title of this thread was, “That tide turned a long tme ago in the 1960s. It’s been a downward spiral ever since.”
But the I read Metanoia’s post and realized, that yes, the tide turned in Genesis 3. And then it turned again abut 2000 years ago. Spiritually, things couldn’t be better. Temporally, that tide turned a long time ago.
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This is particularly bad reporting, Alisa. If you can’t even attribute quotes correctly, why are you in this line of work?
Rick Klein may have written this article, but it’s not an op-ed, and the “silence is deafening” quote wasn’t Klien’s words. That quote is attributed, for all those who bothered to read both articles (which may or may not include Alisa), to a GOP pollster. A GOP pollster, Deet and 37Blessings, is required to listen to the conservative base even when the media is focused on other (more important) issues.
Further, Klien quotes other Republican strategists that report the social conservative wing is splintering at the national level and the libertarian wing is ascending. To back this up, he sites Utah Governor Jon Huntsman Jr’s recent support of civil unions,\ and Steve Shimtz’s recent call for the GOP to support same-sex marriage. Even Meagan McCain is in ascension by being more socially liberal. She’s picking fights with Anne Coulter and Michele Malkin and WINNING!
So lets sum up, social conservatives are splintering nationally, they are losing ground in Utah, and the campaign director for their last presidential nominee supports gay marriage. I’d say not only have those things not been true “in decades,” they haven’t been true ever.
Klien’s article is entirely fair, considering he give a mouth piece to Maggie Gallagher and her “gathering storm.” What he didn’t mention but serves as more evidence to his thesis is that the largest reaction to that ad has been mockery! I have seen no fewer than 3 professional parodies of the ad, and countless more on YouTube. To continue bashing NOM (I’m hungry, nom nom nom nom nom), their recent 2M4M campaign showed the internet using community an organization that is painfully out of date and tone deaf. At least W’s team caught “Operational Iraqi Liberation” before they went public with it. NOM and social conservatives are poorly prepared to succeed online.
What’s woefully inadequate is Dan Gilgoff’s rebuttal. He gives snarky refutations to some of the examples that Klein uses, but ignores the diagnosis coming from pollsters and strategists in his own party. He has literally nothing to say that offers anyone a reason to believe that the social conservatives are not in decline, or that the libertarians are not rising to new power in the GOP, which also hasn’t happened “in-decades”!!!
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Another excellent example of that “selective hearing” is global warming which most scientists agree does not exist.
The above is one of the most egregious example of “selective hearing,” elicited perhaps by the influence of industry propaganda?
Industry Ignored Its Scientists on Climate
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The tide is certainly turning for same sex marriage, but this is mostly the result of the dying off of the bigoted old guard.
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#13 Yes, the NOM ad is the gift that keeps on giving! It will surely speed up public acceptance of same sex marriage. I wish Maggie would make another ad!
(And did you see those NOM audition clips? Oy veh! And their parodies as well?! FABULOUS!)
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#2 JM “ When the culture war is lost to those who would cheapen art and turn art into a vehicle for political hatred, anger, shock and nonsense, the aesthetic poverty that follows will also help lead to other forms of poverty, including moral poverty.
Aesthetic principles should not be sacrificed so easily.
Now that is a very insightful comment. I don’t know if I have ever heard a Christian raise the question of ‘aesthetic principles’ in that way. It’s not something that most are willing to make an issue of, although maybe we should. It might be interesting to find out how our aesthetic principles and our moral principles are connected.
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I guess Gilgoff is obliged to argue against Klein in order to defend the completely incorrect conclusion of his latest book:
“The Jesus Machine: How James Dobson, Focus on the Family, and Evangelical America are Winning the Culture War”
NOT!
#17 – Near as I can tell, Evangelical Christians don’t have much of an aesthetic sense. They’re too afraid that good art will compete with God for worship. Hence the relatively ugly and spartan interiors of their churches and garish pop-quality of their music!
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Ha! Some churches do tend to be a bit spartan, and I’m pretty sure I’ve heard Christians on this blog complain about the contemporary worship music, so those particular observations may have some value. But I don’t think Christians are completely without aesthetic sensabilities. Many have ‘tastefully’ decorated homes, in which balance and harmony are very well thought out using a more traditional artistic aesthetic.
I think where we could really use some impovement is in our creativity. It’s one thing to follow the artistic trend, and another to create it. But in the past 10 years I have heard more about artistic creativity in the church than in the preceding 39 years combined. So I am excited to find out where it will go in the future….you see, I do belive it’s going somewhere.
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Sorry, that last post has so many spelling errors I won’t even try to correct them all, just issue a blanket apology.
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Hmm….wonder what will happen when we fight the “culture wars” with grace and love…oh, wait, aren’t we doing that now?
And folks trying to understand that (and us) are confused. Fun!
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If the culture wars are going unnoticed, it’s probably due to the current economic situation. Except for the most socially conservative among us, most Americans are less concerned about how gay marriage will affect their family and more concerned about how possible layoffs, increasing taxes, etc will affect them.
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Maybe we (Christians) are collectively starting to back off. Maybe the church is beginning to shake the dust off of its feet and move on to more fertile ground in preparation for Christ’s return.
Matt. 10:14-15
14″Whoever does not receive you, nor heed your words, as you go out of that house or that city, shake the dust off your feet.
15″Truly I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city.
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Nobody is obsessed with the sex lives of others like conservative Christians are. And they’ve been trying to use the federal government to enforce their religious code on everyone.
And their outright attacks on the lives of gay people, including stripping us of our legal and civil rights has started to backfire. Americans want to be fair and treat people decently, including gay people. They are coming to see the conservative Christian bigotry and hate toward gays as something they don’t want to be a party to.
There is still a long fight ahead. Hate and bigotry do not give up easily. But the fairness and decency of the American people will win out in the end.
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I think Rick Klein’s article is rather superficial and Alisa is exactly correct to say: I think Klein is hearing a deafening silence not because people don’t care or aren’t still fighting, but because covering other stories has taken media precedence.”
MYNOCK, yes, Klein is contending that he hears a “relative quiet” and the deafening silence line he quoted did speak for the point he was making.
My point is, people do care. Klein, admittedly, is looking at the “national political landscape,” and is correct at that superficial level. The fact remains that this landscape is only one front for the culture war and one misses a lot if that is all they see.
If social conservatives are “losing influence inside and outside the party,” as Klein contends, that’s not the only realm for constructive influence in our culture. But many of today’s journalists seem to think that politics is all of reality and there is not much to notice beyond politics. At least that’s my impression.
Good post Alisa.
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This is merely how I see it.
Liberals scored many social and cultural victories while Republicans were in pwer, most of which hurt our moral standing as a nation. I will not be surprised if conservatives win many victories, including many under the media radar, while they are out of political power. But we’ll see.
Even if laws fall and rise in favor of speical homosexual demands, the way people live their lives and feel about those laws may not necessarily follow. Homeschooling will rise, pastors will preach, new forms of media will rise and the USA will hopefully still be of the people, by the people and for the people.
Major fronts for the cuture war as seen by conservatives:
Family
Media
School
Church
Courts
Politics.
Major fronts for the culture war as seen by many leftists and journalists:
Politics
Courts
Politics
Courts
Politics
Courts
It’s NOT that they ignore family, media, schools or churches, but that they see them almost entirely through a highly political and legalistic framework and use politics and judges to manipulate them. For the media, the culture war scorecard is almost exclusively seen in perceived political gains & losses.
There is more to the USA than politics.
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DJ @ #17, it is indeed a fascinating topic. When too many Christians retreated from the various arenas of art (visual, performance, literature, and media) in our culture, we lost a lot more than we gained. Being too quick to retreat is ill-advised on many levels.
I have to agree with a couple points Spinoza made at #18.
In the world of painting today, there are two major art worlds: the intelligentsia and the marketplace. I am generalizing, but while the art intelligentsia (universities, museums, media portrayals, etc) features a lot of angry nonsensical art and tries to make us think the “emperor” is NOT naked (when he is), the marketplace (independent galleries, some museums, auctions, etc.) still offers a lot of great art that goes under the radar of the intelligentsia.
What is noticed and featured is NOT necessarily what is truly great, nor does it represent what will last. Don’t be discouraged.
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DJ, good post at #19 too.
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Joel,
You can define the culture war in any terms you want but clearly both Klein and Gilgoff are talking about the struggle of defferent social camps for political power. Referencing what culture influence you might have in other forms of cultural production doesn’t make Klein’s thesis incorrect.
But more to the point. You started losing that battle many many years before your political decline began. When you look closely at cultural production in music, entertainment, literature, and social gatherings, the conservatives in the “culture war” haven’t had a major victory in years. You’re forced to writing off entire avenues of cultural production, and your treatment of Hollywood and popular art demonstrates that.
Here’s a little piece of wisdom from rhetorical criticism: If art and media aren’t producing things that reflect your values, it’s because society doesn’t hold them.
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“Here’s a little piece of wisdom from rhetorical criticism: If art and media aren’t producing things that reflect your values, it’s because society doesn’t hold them.”
Do you suppose they’re given much of an opportunity to see them, Mynock? Every Friday I open the paper hoping to be able to go to the movies. I haven’t been to the movies in months because it’s all trash–even the movie critics aren’t heaping praise on a lot of what is coming out of Hollywood these days.
I recently spent an entire day at the Louvre in Paris–there was plenty for me to see and enjoy. But I visit modern art museums, and can get in and out in an hour–it’s just not interesting or in a lot of cases, well done. (My metallurgist husband ALWAYS comments on the soldering and riveting on modern sculpture–and finds it all shoddy work).
At the children’s section of the library the other, I was disapointed to see, yet again, that all the new chapter books were magic or fantasy. Magic and fantasy books certainly have a place in children’s literature–but ALL the books? That’s a distortion and isn’t healthy for kids who need to read across genres to be well informed.
I think the tide has turned to the negative in America and that’s a real shame. Many people may not like the Judeo-Christian God, but a lot have benefitted from living in a culture based on Judeo-Christian ethics. We, at least, let you have free will.
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MYNOCK wrote; “You can define the culture war in any terms you want but clearly both Klein and Gilgoff are talking about the struggle of defferent social camps for political power.”
I know. I was just saying that is it s bit superficial to talk about the culture war only as a struggle of different social camps for political power. There is more to the struggle than that. Klein & Gilgoff are both making some valid points. I am just adding my 2 cents and saying Klein is not seeing a big enough picture, in my opinion.
“Referencing what culture influence you might have in other forms of cultural production doesn’t make Klein’s thesis incorrect.”
Agreed. I just think his scope is a bit limited, not that he is wrong.
I don’t know who or what has your attention, but conservatives in the “culture war” have had many major victories in recent in years. That’s does not always fit the media template though. But some 30 states successfully (by giving the people their fair say) legally defined marriage as a union between one man and one woman. Also, in literature, art, music and such, Christians lately have been thriving, though the media intelligentsia may not notice.
Mynock wrote; “If art and media aren’t producing things that reflect your values, it’s because society doesn’t hold them.”
You can call that “wisdom” or “rhetorical criticism,” but it is also nonsense. A tremendous amount of art, literature, media productions are being done that reflect my values and also the values of a wide spectrum of people with whom I disagree too. But the popular media only pay attention to what reflects their own rather stilted leftist values.
Society holds many various values that don’t get their fair share of representation in the media and in what is being popularly produced. There is an extremely productive and successful sector in the art world that is not being noticed by a lot of people who only view reality through the lens that the media give them.
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Anyone can see by the phenomenal success of “The Passion of Christ”, “Lord of the Rings”, The Chronicles of Narnia”, “The Left Behind” series and dozens of G rated kids movies that there is not only a market for our values but a hunger for it. Yet Hollywood continues to lose money on trash that reflects their values.
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32 – KBells – I thoroughly enjoyed LOTR and Narnia, and I share your values of fundamentalist hetero-chauvinism not one whit…
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“Left Behind” yes evangelicals love nonsense like that! In my day, it was “Thief in the Night,” but that was nowhere near as much of a hit.
But I suspect evangelicals luv this so as a compensatory fantasy – it is they who are being left behind …
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34. In other words, “I don’t like it so it doesn’t count.”
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Let’s also not forget, “Touched by an Angel” 9 seasons, “Little House on the Prairie” 9 seasons, “Seventh Heaven”, 11 seasons. Weather you like these shows or not their success proves the audience is out there.
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The irreligious tend to think they are at war with Christians.
Christians tend to think they are at war with the irreligious.
Christians are really at war with the Devil.
The irreligious are really at war with God.
How foolish and unproductive when we fight each other.
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26 Joel Mark:
I think long ago the lib/leftists realized they can wreak all sorts of radical social engineering on the majority if they get control of the judiciary. Which they’ve done. And conservative jurist are so much in love with the sacrosanct idea of upholding precedent they eagerly become enforcers of someone else’s judicial fiats
The most radical and far reaching “legislation” ever imposed on a free people has come about from a 5/4 Supreme court majority. Real elected legislators can and do rescind bad laws. Slap a black robe on what are often 9 mediocre lawyers and very reluctantly do they ever concede any type of prior error. (e.g. the Roe holding among others)
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Joel Mark,
No doubt their are niche medias perfectly willing to appeal to conservative Christians, but their is also a website out their called “boytaurs”! What we can agree is on is not that conservative Christian media isn’t being produced, but that that media has long since lost cultural hegemony. Politics insulated the conservative Christian community from the 1970’s onward, and gave conservative Christian leaders disproportionate political power through the 80’s, 90’s, and Bush administration. Now for the time being, y’all have lost that buffer.
Kbells, very few people regard LOTR’s as overtly Christian, and that series of movies proved immensely more popular than the CRON movies (I don’t think I”ve heard anything about a 3rd movie). While everyone might know Tolkien’s influences, he had a much liter hand than Lewis and integrating messianic narratives. Gandalph’s death and resurrection for example doesn’t take 3 days!
Their is a difference between something mimicking the Christian story (you could say the same thing about E.T.) and overtly reflecting the values of CONSERVATIVE Christians. LOTRs is a story about unexpectedly normal people doing great things through valor, friendship, and love — and traditionally great people falling to sins like pride — and fighting back an evil reckless disregard for life. These are values well integrated at all levels of secular humanism, and they are part of the Western tradition as much as they are Christian.
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The Christian’s challenge is never to copy the culture, or to be popular with the culture. The challenge is to faithfully follow God’s leading to communicate a message of hope to people whose only hope is in their human abilities. Politics, religion, community, art, entertainment, and a host of other human attempts have never effectively answered the cry of the human for meaning and purpose.
Christians have often made the mistake of attacking the surrounding culture rather than simply (and dynamically) living out their life with God and demonstrating what God can do with lives given to Him. And, Christians ought to be involved in politics, arts, etc. But, as light not dynamite.
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#13 MYNOCK
“This is particularly bad reporting, Alisa. If you can’t even attribute quotes correctly, why are you in this line of work?”
“Rick Klein…”
“…quote wasn’t Klien’s words.”
“Further, Klien…”
“…strategists that report…”
“So lets sum up…”
“Klien’s article”
“…considering he give a mouth piece to Maggie Gallagher…”
…“Operational Iraqi Liberation”…
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The conflict reminds me of a case I read in the news a number of months ago. That might seem unrelated. Yet that made me ask if that is part of the problem. It had been the report of the Supreme Court decision regarding the attack on a child that had left the dear eight year old without sex organs or with severely damaged sex organs. Is that a part of the problem? Is it that women are being attacked as children sexually and ruining their sex organs? I am concerned.
The article cited (CNN) that the perpetrator had been, “sexually assaulting his 8-year-old stepdaughter in her bed. In addition to severe emotional trauma, the attack caused internal injuries and bleeding to the child, requiring extensive surgery.”[1]
I had been imposed on by an individual, older child, two actually, with their hands, when I had been about 3 or 4 years old. That had been a male child about five years older and another–both about a foot bigger. The younger, nearer my age, never did more I can recall, unless trauma did severe damage. But that five year older child had been very steel-handed toward me again in 2005 after I had not seen them for a number of years. I told him to keep his hands to himself. That is a church goer.
I steer clear, I don’t want handled like that, but have been concerned about the apparently very wrong ideas toward me and my life because they were a molester.
And I did some study in that area. It seems that molestations or rapes of children by children are increasing, that had been noted in an article.[2]
Is that causing the problem, speaking of by the injuries done to the children that cause neurological injury by the agony of being forced on against the values of the child?[3]
Attempting to put a dear child in a threatening situation with others preying on their sex organs is not the way to fix the problem.
This is horrific. But I personally witnessed a boy expose his sex organs to a girl in a church hallway. And he said to her, “Do you want it or not??!!!” His organs were hanging out from under the bottom of his shirt. Apparently that is the reason they are wearing their pants low.
What are they learning?
[1] Bill Mears, “High court split over execution of child rapists,” CNN.com; http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/16/scotus.execution/; Internet; accessed 25 April 2009. Also see, “Court weighs death for child rapists: Is execution appropriate or cruel and unusual punishment?” MSNBC, available from http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24155465/; Internet; accessed 25 April 2009.
[2] “Secret is out about children raping children,” Madera Tribune (12 February 2005); available from http://maderatribune.com/news/newsview.asp?c=144450; Internet; accessed 25 April 2009.
[3] Martin H. Teicher, “Scars That Won’t Heal: The Neurobiology of Child Abuse,” Scientific American (March 2002).
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The Greatest war has already been won and death no longer needs to be a feared enemy.
As Ernest Becker indicated in Denial of Death, the hardest concept for humans to accept is that our life ends. In his final book, Escape from Evil, much of human evil results from our efforts to align ourselves with some “heroic” cause that seems to provide meaning to our mortal life. Conservative Christianity is not the worst such illusion, but as the pointless hostility so often seen at this web site indicates, it is not nearly as wonderful as its adherents like to tell themselves and each other.
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MYNOCK @ #39, wrote; “Politics insulated the conservative Christian community from from the 1970’s onward, and gave conservative Christian leaders disproportionate political power through the 80’s, 90’s, and Bush administration.”
I’m not sure what you mean. I am 54 years old and I lived through all those years. In no way did I ever see any conservative Christian leaders given disproportionate power. I did see a few of them simply take their freedom to speak out more seriously. I did seea few of them engage the culture out of an increased level of care for their country. But I never saw ANY “disproportionate power” in their hands. NEVER. Perhaps you and I live in different worlds.
I did, however, see the left deeply resent it when anyone on the Christian right practiced freedom of speech or influence and equal participation in political arenas. That was stigmatized as if they believed that conservatives had no right to seek influence or engage the culture through politics.
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No matter who gets temporary victories in a so-called “culture war” and no matter what happens to America herself now or in the end, Christians need not lose their eternal hope.
So Christians can lose “culture war” battles here on earth and still hold hope high for the eternal blessings we were ultimately created to enjoy. Unbelievers can win all the “culture war” battles and still lose in the end. Christians don’t want that for non-Christians, but we do respect their right to reject the hope we live by.
Christians engage the culture because we care and we know that God cares how we live here on earth. But this earth is not our ultimate home.
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I believe it was Marx or Engels who said that history is a long slow march to the left. This march into the abyss continues until there is a revolution.
I think conservatism is dying a slow painful death. It will continue in the minority, among the traditional religious groups and libertarians. Rather than trusting in God and your neighbor, people want to place their trust in government.
Conservative ideals such as small government, self-sufficiency, personal responsibility, low taxes are practically non-existent in Europe. And that European socialism is now spreading to America. Obama is systematically paving paradise and putting up a parking lot over American values. America the beautiful is become a shopping mall of government largess.
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But some 30 states successfully (by giving the people their fair say) legally defined marriage as a union between one man and one woman.
Some of these people now think their “fair say” was an unwanted choice which they resent and regret.
The fact is, any union between two persons is what it is, and a homosexual pair can show more points of identification with marriage than a heterosexual pair. Tick off the vows one by one, and none is particularly relevant to gender.
The passage of empirically oblivious and intolerant laws demonstrates what a political party will produce in union with the Christian right. Americans don’t love the offspring any more because they are so numerous.
I predict that JOEL’s effectiveness in defining marriage as a union between two persons of opposite sex will go hard on the Republican party for years to come, just as defining childbearing as a private choice went hard on Democrats.
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#43 RN: I choose to believe God over Ernest Becker. Thank you.
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Is the tide of the culture war turning?
Prior to the presidential election (a small) part of me hoped Obama would win. I was so tired of 8 years of all out hate against America and the presidency coming from the left. I was tired of the exaggerated Dooms Day scenarios, the praise and help to our enemies. I was tired of the victim mentality and trumped up charges of racism. I hoped that if the left won, that finally we could all live in peace.
Boy, was I wrong. The hate against conservatives has increased dramatically to the point where the word terrorism has been banned except when referring to conservatives. America has no more enemies except for Republicans. The vicious attacks of late night television, comedians, editorials, talk shows blast daily against the right. Meanwhile, new dooms day scenarios appear weekly allowing the government to steathily grab more power.
And America is about to be embroiled in a congressional witch hunt over interrogation techniques that forgetful Democrats all approved of. This kangaroo trial will provide a forum for the torture and execution of every last vestige of conservative principles for decades to come.
Family values now represent hatred of gays. Freedom of speech represents an establishment of religion. Border security is cast as racism. Fiscal responsibility is cast as harming the poor. Everything noble about conservatism will be dragged through the mud and chained in Tarturus for a thousand years.
Obama’s takeover of the census to engineer the next election and his partial releasing of memos and launching of Republican tribunals and a virtual lock on the press are all part of the Machiavellian plan of the Democratic party.
No, the tide of the culture war won’t turn again unless a major catastrophe wakes up the O-bot zombies (heaven forbid) or until Christ returns (maranatha).
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Yes, I remember how the Republicans called us “traitors” because we dared to disagree with President Bush on the war. When we objected to torture we were called “terrorist sympathizers”. Our loyalty and patriotism was called into question over and over again. We warned y’all that payback was gonna be hell, and y’all just laughed it off. Can you see our tiny violins playing for your crocodile tears Xion?
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#50 Liberals weren’t called traitors for disagreeing with Bush. Liberals were called traitors for helping the enemy.
What would you call congressmen who accept an all expenses paid trip to attend a photo op with an enemy and evil dictator later executed for war crimes just so that could trash talk their own country?
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What would you call congressmen who accept an all expenses paid trip to attend a photo op with an enemy and evil dictator later executed for war crimes just so that could trash talk their own country?
I would call them three misguided members of Congress, and I would not extrapolate from that to say “liberals” in general, help the enemy.
But you would, apparently.
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