Obama-worship continues
Since the presidential campaign, conservatives often have pointed out that the left and its acolytes in the mainstream media worship Barack Obama as their messiah, a claim that has been dismissed as partisan rhetoric. Now Newsweek Editor Evan Thomas flat out admits it. On MSNBC’s Hardball Friday night, he tells Chris Matthews, “In a way, Obama’s standing above the country, above the world, he’s sort of God.” To which you hear Matthews in agreement, saying, “Yeah.”
Then, in an appearance on WJLA’s Inside Washington this weekend, Thomas continued his adoration of Obama in messiah-like language: “We’re understanding what Obama is. He’s the great teacher. He is this guy that stands above everybody . . . and says, ‘Now, listen. You people have to stop blaming each other unreasonably. You have to get along here and I’m going to show you the way.’”
In many ways, I wish I was making this up and this messiah worship of our president was just a figment of our imagination. But obviously it is not.




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I don’t know how much we can generate from one man. That Evan Thomas thinks this way does not seem to necessarily implicate other media sources or for that matter even us liberals. Still, in sympathy with you all, I can remember when some of the more over the top praises came to GWB, and Dems reacted with similar glee/disgust.
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“You have to get along here and I’m going to show you the way.”
Yeah! Now you guys quit listening to that Big Fat Idiot, Rush Limbaugh!
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“In many ways, I wish I was making this up and this messiah worship of our president was just a figment of our imagination.”
Of course this gives the perfect excuse for anyone who dared to vote for him to be tarred with the same brush. Oh, wait, that’s been going on for months. Nothing new here.
Now all we need is for someone to show up with bombastic ‘Obamamessiahite’ rhetoric….5,4,3,2..
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Mickey: Evan Thomas != the media, let alone the left.
Besides, I think you’re totally misunderstanding what he’s saying. Watch your first clip and it’s pretty obvious he’s NOT saying “Obama is God.” He starts out talking about Reagan’s approach to foreign policy and contrasts it to Obama’s. Obama, Thomas says, stands apart from parties in conflict and talks to them both, rather than clearly aligning with one side against the other.
wish I was making this up
You are, really.
and this messiah worship of our president was just a figment of our imagination. But obviously it is not.
It is. The two clips you present are not about “worship,” even though they use language that people who are interested in perpetuating this myth can appropriate.
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[/sarcasm off]
You tell ‘em Obama…
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I think Bernie Goldberg said it best, and illustrates it in his book; A Slobbering Love Affair: The True (And Pathetic) Story of the Torrid Romance Between Barack Obama and the Mainstream Media
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To clarify my point: Thomas says that Obama is “like God” in that he sees both sides of a conflict (guessing he’s talking about the Middle East) and asks something of each side.
That’s all it is. Like describing a novel as being from the perspective of a “third-person omniscient” narrator. A poor choice of words on Thomas’s part, maybe, but not supporting your allegation at all.
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Even in the face of this:
“We’re understanding what Obama is. He’s the great teacher. He is this guy that stands above everybody . . . and says, ‘Now, listen. You people have to stop blaming each other unreasonably. You have to get along here and I’m going to show you the way.’”
Our good friend SteveG still does not see the problem.
He’s the great teacher? Really?
He’s the guy who stands ABOVE everybody? Really?
Not a lot of objectivity or plain old reporting there. Newsweek, if all it wants to do is opine, won’t survive as a magazine.
This morning I was surfing through stations and stopped off at GMA for a minute to watch a guy show that 48% of the people do not like what Obama is doing on the economy. This is the FIRST time I heard something like this, though it was qualified by him and then Robin Roberts who tried to soften what that means simply by not repeating the number. Had this poll number been about GWB, there would have been snide remarks, like we’ve seen on this board.
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Merely describing someone as “like God” says it all. Don’t you see that?
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Everything cannot be a poor choice of words, SteveG.
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Obama is not viewed as a politician. He is viewed as a symbol.
This situation is inappropriate and unsustainable.
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You know, I have resisted calling Obama the antichrist and I will continue to do so. However, I can’t think of a single characteristic of the antichrist that does not fit Obama. Whoever the antichrist is, he would be exactly like this.
He will be a messianic figure that the world will love and worship. He will forsake the god of his fathers (Allah?) and promote confusion in gender roles (Dan 11:37). He will make a peace treaty in Israel and divide the land for gain (Dan 11:39). His policies will be contrary to biblical values. His appeal will be global and he will centralize power under his own control.
Once again. I am not calling him the antichrist. However, he is the most like the biblical description than anyone who has ever lived so far.
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XION,
I thought the antiChrist would have to be of Jewish descent…Oh WAIT! That’s right! The Muslims are saying he’s a secret Jew! It all fits. It all fits.
But seriously, do you not think antiChrist is necessarily of Jewish descent? How else could he seem to fulfill the prophecies of messiah?
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This was brought up on one of the First Things blogs yesterday. Absolutely revolting but very much to be expected.
http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/theanchoress/2009/06/06/the-suckling-press-obama-sort-of-god/
“By the way, Evan Thomas? In 2007 he said it was the press’ job to bash the president.”
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2009/06/08/quick-take-evan-thomas-vs-evan-thomas
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I wasn’t going to renew my Newsweek subscription because of the profanity that is prevalent in the magazine and the increasingly obvious bias against Christians and towards the left. This just nails it.
My Bible reading this morning: Proverbs 21:1 The king’s heart is in the hand of the Lord; he directs it like a watercourse wherever he pleases. And Proverbs 21:30 There is no wisdom, no insight, no plan that can succeed against the Lord.
I know there are those reading this who disagree with God’s word. Oh well.
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Harris, I have no idea what you are talking about. I follow these things closely and I NEVER ever saw George W. Bush treated in ANY way even remotely similar to the widespread Obama worship we have seen and are still seeing.
Beware revisionists.
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Until today, the only people I have ever heard describe Obama in godlike, messianic terms….were conservative-type Republicans who are sour at loosing the elections.
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Harris #1,
Besides, it’s one thing for a President’s constituents to believe that he’s “doing God’s work” or that he was “chosen by God” or something similar (which I never believed, by the way). It’s something else entirely for a putatively objective press to treat the President so worshipfully, so uncritically, all the time.
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The recent statement from Obama on jobs casually used verbs like “created” and “saved” to describe hypothetical jobs that Obama wants to take credit for, even though the unemployment rate is rising much faster than expected and job losses are spiraling. But it’s not those verbs themselves that bother me, but the unaccountable way that Obama just presumes them and the unaccountable way that the media refuses to monitor them honestly. We have a worshipful media who perceive Obama as a creator and savior beyond accountability. They are under a deeply religious spell of political pretense and partisanship.
By some counts, the real unemployment rate is currently much higher than 9.4%.
Objectively speaking, the gov’t cannt (led by any party) “create” or “save” many jobs that actually last if they also undermine the private sector from whom the gov’t ultimately gets its support.
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“Some trust in chariots, and some in horses, but we will trust in the name of the Lord our God.” Psalm 20:7
If the physical world is all there is, you would be wise to look for someone to lead you out of the particular morass of our times. Without a belief in the God of the Universe, whom are you going to trust?
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On October 7, 2007, Barack Obama addressed an evangelical congregation in South Carolina, saying: “Sometimes this is a difficult road being in politics. Sometimes you can become fearful, sometimes you can become vain, sometimes you can seek power just for power’s sake instead of because you want to do service to God. I just want all of you to pray that I can be an instrument of God… I am confident that we can create a Kingdom right here on Earth.”
Can you spell “theocracy?”
So his view of his own political role is a problem in itself, not just the worshipful attitude of his supporters in the Democrat party and the media.
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Joel, years ago I worked for a quasi-governmental agency run under the Chamber of Commerce. Jobs ‘created’ and ’saved’ have no secret meaning. It’s a mistake to read anything sinister into that jargon; it’s pretty typical and has been for a long time.
And I suspect anything the media does now would appear ‘worshipful’ in comparison to the hard time Bush had in the last few years of his term.
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I remember reading of a ruler who got gobbled by worms for not pushing back against his overzealous fawners. (Something like that.)
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Apart from the fact that few actual liberals let alone Democrats think of Obama in Messianic terms…
Joel — don’t you remember Midge Decter getting all excited about George in his flight suit? Mission Accomplished and all. That’s what I would compare this to, and yes, there was a high level of hagiography going on.
But let’s be honest, the Political Derangement Syndrome can strike anyone, even the commentators here at WMB!
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pray that I can be an instrument of God… I am confident that we can create a Kingdom right here on Earth.”
Can you spell “theocracy?”
Do you think he’s some kind of ‘dominionist’?
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Having recently been taken to task by a number of Christians who claimed I lacked the imagination to understand figurative language, I am amused by the alarm raised by the use of a couple of references (by…gasp…writers) to religious status.
And it is beneath even World staffers to use the threat of a godly usurper to motivate its readers. Well not really. Just this week the magazine referred to non-believers as being somewhat on the order of pond scum.
Xion, just out of curiousity, what is it that a Christian is supposed to do when the Anti-Christ shows up? Is it sort of like a demonic possession, or are sterner measures called for? It’s serious question; my meagre theological learnings haven’t gotten that far.
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After all, the American colonists were a mixed multitude, with high-minded preachers and a greater number of lowlifes.–Marvin Olasky
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DJ, you missed my point. Re-read my post at #19, I already wrote; “But it’s not those verbs themselves that bother me, but the unaccountable way that Obama just presumes them and the unaccountable way that the media refuses to monitor them honestly.”
The mainstream media loathed President Bush and disparaged him every chance they had. He could not win with then no matter what he said or did.
Revisionism will not work here.
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Well, they did despise him. That’s true enough.
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Harris,
Anyone being excited over the FACT that our military, led by President Bush, DID indeed accomplish their mission (and did it well) of deposing Saddam is not the same thing as messiah worship.
When we successfully deposed Saddam, that should have been celebrated. However, the mainstream media mocked that celebration and sent out talking points for leftists to disparage that celebration. As I recall, President Bush never siad “mission accomplished” and he challenged us all to stay vigilent because there was much more work to be done. The media globbed on to a banner that said “Mission Accomplished” and distorted the message from there.
We DID indeed accomplish our mission to depose Saddam and we then did an amazing and sacrificial thing: we stayed to help Iraq rebuild. That was our new mission. But Al Qaeda and other jihadists had a mission to disrupt that rebvuiling mission and to cause chaos. We did not abandon Iraq and I am proud of of America and grateful to President Bush for that.
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DJ,
I appreciate you on this blog. Sometimes I really diagree with you (which is when I tend to reply) and other times I agree a lot (and I am less likely to reply). I find you unpredictable and thus, I appreciate you (even when disagreeing). Have a good day.
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We are to resist.
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“Until today, the only people I have ever heard describe Obama in godlike, messianic terms”
Where have you been? Hiding under a rock? Why do you think Bernie Goldberg wrote his book?
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Joel Mark,
Thanks for the kind words,and a good day to you as well.
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Make It Man: Why do you think Bernie Goldberg wrote his book?
The same reason he writes all his books: To exploit the fear of the gullible and make a quick buck off of them.
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Yah, all this…….but don’t forget the pseudo-humanoid Prime Minister of England, Gordon Brown. In a recent speech to comemorate D-Day (65th anniversary this week), he was supposedly mentioning OMAHA BEACH…….and said Obama Beach.
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K eep thinking the posters here can’t become any more paranoid or amusing in their hysteria. But ya’ll keep reaching new heights. It’s about the only reason to read the stuff here — for its humor content.
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Indeed, Coyote. This should be a funny one. Time to make some popcorn.
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What’s amusing is watching the fantastic denial….
Pop some extra RPN…
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The press, in general, hasn’t been doing its job for a long time, well before B.O. Part of their current dereliction is a giddy reverence for B.O., but it’s no worse than various other aspects of their ball-dropping during other administrations.
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Y’all gotta worship SOMETHING, because nobody can worship NOTHING. Why do philosphers wonder about what rocks dream of, except to aspire to be one of them? What one knows has no influence on the course of events, it’s what one believes that determines outcomes.
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JOEL MARK: the real unemployment rate is currently much higher than 9.4%.
We agree!
Underemployment is climbing to 20%.
This recession has gotten twice as deep as Obama predicted during his transition, the worst jobs environment in generations.
But I don’t recall you speculating about the “real” unemployment rate back when Bush was shrugging off the economy’s “rough patch” as he loved to call it.
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Coming from a movement that worshiped George Bush, and could abide no criticism of him, and even accused people who opposed him of being “traitors”, Mickey’s story is rich with irony.
Not to mention, taken out of context completely. Not to mention, a sweeping indictment of the entire liberal movement based on the comments of one man.
In short, Mickey’s story was a political “hit-job” that Karl Rove and Dick Morris would be proud of.
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#13 DJ “I thought the antiChrist would have to be of Jewish descent…
No. All it says is he would not regard the god (Elohim) of his fathers (Dan 11:37). Some presume this is speaking of the Jewish God. But the Mahdi, the messianic figure of Islam whom Ahmadinejad hopes to usher in through nuclear holocaust, lines up nearly perfectly with the biblical antichrist.
Note, I realize many Christians aren’t dispensationalists and would reject this interpretation which is fine. I also realize that to anti-Christian bigots, anything the Bible says is ludicrous.
All I am pointing out is the pattern, the recognizable traits of the biblical figure. Regardless of one’s interpretation, it should at least be somewhat curious that Obama appears to fit them all.
What is the significance? Maybe none, but it sure is interesting to see the whole world fawning over a messianic figure which fits almost perfectly both the biblical antichrist and the Islamic messiah.
But its probably nothing. Go back to what you were doing …
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No Anlir,
We were commenting on the slobbering love affair with Obamamessiah long before you accused Mickey of a “hit-job”. This is just more confirmation… As is your defense of the liberals slobbering love affair.
Have a good day!
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Two biblical rulers come to mind, if Obama ever actually accepts this level of worship–King Nebuchadnezzar and the king Mark Roth mentioned (I believe it was Herod). God was able to deal with both of them. Hopefully Obama never accepts this type of adulation–and may the press get over it soon, and start doing its job.
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#38 Coyote “Keep thinking the posters here can’t become any more paranoid or amusing in their hysteria.”
What I find amusing is the hysteria from the left over any mention of religious terms within the hallowed halls of government and yet have no problem calling their president God or god-like.
This reminds me of the deification of Roman Emperors. Hints of a revived Roman empire maybe? What’s next? Back then Christians were fed to the lions. Today there is a feeding frenzy in the media over anything authentically Christian, while simultaneously co-opting Christian language to describe their ruler-god.
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Really, the “Obamamessiah” charge is nothing more than a continuation of the politics of personal destruction that Karl Rove made so famous (infamous, actually).
Look, we all know that conservative Christians have an undying, passionate hatred of President Obama. They’ve been pounding that drum since he became a force to be reckoned with in the Democratic primaries. And they’ve totally bought into the Karl Rove brand of politics.
Being loyal conservative Christian Republicans, the editors of Worldmag has done their share of “hit jobs” on him. It’s a regular feature on Worldmag. So Mickey’s latest “hit job” is not surprising.
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Coyoteblue refers to some unnamed posters who are allegedly “paranoid” in in some sort of “hysteria.”
Nice try. “Thou dost protest too much.”
This editor of Newsweek spoke of us being the “good guys” in 1984 and then said, “It hasn’t felt that way in recent years…”
He is confusing his “feelings” with reality. Those who do not regard us as the “good guys” are pretty much hard leftists and jihadists. Beyond that, Evan Thomas’ “feelings” are meaningless.
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“Really, the “Obamamessiah” charge is nothing more than a continuation of the politics of personal destruction that Karl Rove made so famous (infamous, actually).”
Oh. You mean as opposed to the politics of personal destruction that the media and liberals have been playing for the last 8 years? There’s a difference?
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40, 48, 51, ROTFLOL, you guys are good entertainment. I can’t wait to see your encore.
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There are cults of personality in the Democratic Party just as there are in the Republican Party, but I think it’s a mistake to reduce either the political Left or Right to personality worship.
The history of the Left provides ample evidence of a popular base at war with the Presidency in the administrations of LBJ and Carter. The Republican Revolution and a vicious electorate kept the Left subordinate to Clinton, but he was not their leader of choice.
If Obama is a progressive, he’s an FDR who says to the left, “Maybe I agree with you, so try and make me do it.” Obama has made it pretty obvious that he is going to keep the Left on his flank (his right flank, of course). Barry may not be killing the progressive movement but he’s not leading it. He’s an organizer, not a Napolean.
This is because the institutional obstacles to change are so intrenched. Incremental progress is better than a huge, disorganizing defeat. Obama is partly reacting to this reality and partly perpetuating it by constantly distancing himself from progressive leaders and thinkers (Paul Krugman, notably).
Leftists understand that their political fate for the next decade is bound with Obama’s fate, but they don’t worship him, any more than Conservatives worshiped Bush after 2006.
All we need to test the Messiah hypothesis is a huge defeat in Congress for card check. Leftists could drop Obama like a one-night stand with untreatable erectile disfunction, and rededicate themselves to their true values.
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This editor of Newsweek said, “Reagan was all about America.”
He got that right, and rightly so since Reagan was the president of the United States of America. Reagan was true to his constitutional mission as our President and to us as fellow citizens.
Evan Thomas added, “Obama is… ‘We are above that now. We’re not just parochial, we’re not just chauvinist, we’re not just prudential… Obama is above all that now.”
This is offensive. First, liberal lie by making up the charge that conservative or Republican leaders are questioning their patriotism (it didn’t happen). Then, when conservatives and/or Republicans actually express their own patriotism and live out their patriotism, then leftists disparage it as “parochial”, “chauvinist”, and “prudential.”
Well, it is none of the above. It is genuine patriotism.
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Sorry, Barry, the Left is on your left.
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Coyote,
Pass the popcorn….
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I find it comforting that Scroop Moth is getting to the point where Obama can be criticized.
Leftists could drop Obama like a one-night stand with untreatable erectile disfunction, and rededicate themselves to their true values.
My esteem for Scroop Moth has gone up. Now if we can get other leftists to see that Obama is not what they voted for maybe the country can get better leaders.
We need to sweep the Democrats out during the mid term elections.
Then maybe we can get Obama to come clean. (Well maybe cleaner.)
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“This editor of Newsweek said, “Reagan was all about America.””
Reagan’s D-Day speech at Normandy eloquently recalled the united effort of the Allied Forces on that day and throughout the war to vanquish Hitler and his Nazis. But if facts were regarded as important by everyone then there would be no one left on the left.
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#38 Ditto
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It must be nice to be a liberal today. Ya got your president, congress, and maybe even the s. court. And ya got your echo chamber in the MSM.
I remember the first step in AA: You had to admit that you had a problem. Those that deny the bias, are in a state of self-denial. There is no hope for them until they take their “rose colored glasses” off.
The liberals have to search out websites like this to find an alternative view point.
Pity. No self-awareness. Pity.
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Xion #45
Do you know of a reliable website that explains that view of antichrist? The denomination I attend teaches that he is to be of the line of David, so I always thought he had to be Jewish.
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Xion, DJ-
I too thought of the descriptions of antichrist during the general election. I thought to myself, “Obama’s not the antichrist, but he sure shows that the world is ready for him.”
The world-wide adulation for this man is a bit disconcerting at times. Though I believe that Israel is not at all impressed with Obama. I would say that they are downright concerned with him. Now, if Obama can just get the 7 year peace agreement in the middle east…?
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Now, if Obama can just get the 7 year peace agreement in the middle east…?
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Many believe that that would be the beginning of the Tribulation, that at the half-way poiont, or 3 and 1/2 years into it, the antichrist will put an end to sacrifice in the rebuilt temple, and then declare himself to be god, sit himself in the seat of god, and demand sacrifices to his image, thus ushering in the Great Tribulation.
If you’re pre-trib, than you believe the church will be raptured just before this happens.
If you’re post-trib, than you believe the church will see these things, and live through them. This is the camp I’m in. I believe God will preserve the church through the tribulation, just as He preserved Noah through the flood.
So, is Obama the antichrist? I don’t know. I doubt it. I highly doubt it. Nay, I’m almost sure he’s not. But if he sets up a 7 year peace agreement with Israel and the rest of the middle east, I’m going to be paying CLOSE ATTENTION! Then I will look up, for then my redemption will be drawing neigh! Yahoo, come Lord Jesus!
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I know how the above-65-sounds. I’m not a religous loon. I really don’t believe Obama is the antichrist. I pray for the man. I need to pray more often for him.
I try to live my life as though both the end is near and the end is far off. To be prepared for both.
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#66 BrotherDan
You can’t do better than that. Every day is a gift.
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I wish Jesus would come and get His followers out of the way! They constantly complain about how horrible it is to live in this world and they’re never happy about anything. And they’ve been nothing but trouble – especially the last 20 or 30 years. They’re always going around crying about how persecuted they are for Jesus sake. I think it’s time for Jesus to put them out of their misery.
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Anlir, you really need to expand your base of Christian friends!
The brothers and sisters I fellowship with love life, and live it abundantly! Jesus promised this would be so, and as I fellowship with Him, it is so!
But I pray that when He does pull us of here, that you will be part of that great gathering of His elect!!!
But oh, the joy of the fellowship of His suffering, now there’s a great mystery to those that are perishing.
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See DAVID L.’s link at #14. The Anchoress reports, “Chris Matthews, who would suckle Obama’s manboobs, if only Obama would lactate for him, can be heard saying “yeah,” in the background.”
Forget Matthews. How often has Sarah thrown open her bosom to thirsty wingnuts?
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Now you’re just getting downright obscene Scroop. Clean it up.
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“he’s sort of God.”
Putting the sheer stupidity of gambling aside for a moment, what are the odds of reaping success from going double, or in this case multiple down on something that was simply a really bad bet from the very first card?
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Thank you, MIM. I was a little speechless concerning that post.
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For shame Scroop! You’ve done gone and given a bunch of conservative Christian men a “virtual” hot flash!
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LOL!!
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All of this is taken out of context, including RPN’s LOL.
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The only hot flash I got was when I got nauseous and threw up….
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Great post at #55, if I do say so myself.
But i gotta repeat part of it here slightly improved:
This editor of Newsweek said, “Reagan was all about America,” then added, “Obama is… ‘We are above that now. We’re not just parochial, we’re not just chauvinist, we’re not just prudential… Obama is above all that now.”
Huh? First, many leading liberals have lied by making up the charge that conservative or Republican leaders have questioned their patriotism (to my knowledge, that didn’t happen).
Then, when conservatives and/or Republicans actually express and/or show their own patriotism, then many leftists disparage it as “parochial”, “chauvinist”, and “prudential.”
Well, it is none of the above. It is genuine patriotism.
Didn’t Evan Thomas question Reagan’s patriotism, presuming it to actually be “parochial”, “chauvinist”, and “prudential?”
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Boobs make you nauseous, MiM? That’s odd for a supposedly hetero male.
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Joel-
George W. Bush: “You’re either with us or against us.”
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Joel-
How about Tom DeLay? “And yes, I am questioning [the Democrats] patriotism.”
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Joel-
Republican Bobby Jindal scolding Dick Cheney:
“Democrat or Republican,” Jindal responded, “we should all agree that our current President and our former President would obviously want to do everything they could to keep us safe. I don’t think we should question President Obama’s patriotism or his intentions.”
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“First he kicked his American flag pin to the curb. Now Barack Obama has a new round of patriotism problems. Wait until you hear what the White House hopeful didn’t do during the singing of the national anthem,” said Steve Doocy, co-host of “Fox and Friends” on the Fox News Channel.
“He felt it OK to come out of the closet as the domestic insurgent he is,” former radio host Mark Williams said on Fox.
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RPN: Of course, to Joel Mark’s knowledge, those things didn’t happen.
To Joel Mark’s knowledge, Ann Coulter didn’t write a book called Treason which was entirely about denying that Democrats can possibly be patriotic Americans.
Joel Mark is either in willful denial or lives in a cabin deep in the forest with no contact with the outside world. And since his presence here makes that second possibility seem unlikely …
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Once again, I consider it unlikely that the human race will survive to the end of the century. If there are a few human being around after the radioactivity and the viruses and whatever else we unleash have taken their toll, civilization will be at an end.
Whenever I say this, people at wmb mostly go pooh, pooh. Funny indeed from people who gabble on about tribulations and raptures and AntiChrists.
The religious frenzies and paranoia is mostly based on imaginary things.
Nuclear bombs, engineered viruses and the like are quite real and quite within the capabilities of today’s technology.
Armageddon is coming and we will do it all by ourselves. No imaginary deities or demons needed. We have met the
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SteveG-
Joel Mark is a very confused individual. At times he’s claimed to be a pastor.
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enemy and he is us.
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#80 – George W. Bush: “You’re either with us or against us.”
Quote it correctly, RPN. Didn’t he actually say, “”You’re either with us or against us in the fight against terror.”
This does not question anyone’s patriotism. It was a call to stand together against jihadist terrorism and this call was issued to the whole world–an assurance to our fellow coalition partners (of which there were some 30) that whatever political differences we may have, we can stand together in the fight against terrorism.
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RPN, “How about Tom DeLay? ‘And yes, I am questioning [the Democrats] patriotism.’”
And he’s not a Republican leader anymore is he? And what was the context for this alleged quote? If he said this, it sure sounds like he is responding to a cacophony of Democrat accusations already floating around that the patriotism of Democrats was being questioned. It sounds like an isolated intemperate reaction by Delay to accusations already in the air. Can you cite any example of this patriotism-questioning by leading Republican leaders prior to Delay’s alleged response?
The fact remains, that Democrats all joined in one voice complasining about their patriotism being allegedly questioned as a cheap talking point mantra and DeLay obviously got tired of the mindless mantra and played into their game.
Read what I said, “To my knowledge, it didn’t happen.” It is no suprize that aftermath examples can be found. But my point stands about Evan Thomas ridiculing and questioning the patriotism of Ronald Reagan unjustly. And my point stands that the constant whining of leading Democrats that their patriotism was being questioned was largely just a mindless mantra talking pooint, long before Tom DelLay qwuicpped about it.
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#82, your quote does not show that Vice President Cheney questioned anyone’s patriotism. Rather, it makes my point. Bobby Jindal is a leading Republican and he said, “I don’t think we should question President Obama’s patriotism or his intentions.”
He sounds like a typical leading Republican.
The accusation that leading Republicans were questioning the patriotism of Democrats was just a cheap device to put Republicans on the defensive. Yet, leading leftists like Newsweek’s editor can question and disparage the patriotism of Ronald Reagan by clear implication, and few people complain. Maybe Republicans just don’t whine as much.
Just pointing out hypocrisy.
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#83, Obama did indeed discontinue wearing his American flag pin and he himself even mentioned it as a decision he made. That’s a fact. Steve Doocy is just a reporter reporting or a talk host making money with his mouth. He’s not a “leading Republican.” He speaks for himself, as millions of others do. This is extranious to my point. So post #83 does not illustrate any leading Republican questioning the patriotism of leading Democrats or Obama.
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Why can Obama worshipping liberals like the editor of Newsweek disparage the patriotism of Ronald Reagan, portraying it as “parochial”, “chauvinist”, and “prudential,” while so many other liberals have the audacity to whine over reporters and talk-show hosts allegedly questioning their patriotism?
Why aren’t leftists up in arms against Evan Thomas for publicly disparaging the patriotism of Ronald Reagan?
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Re XION’s observance – I totally agree with you. And to add to what you mentioned… God’s Word says in
2 Timothy 4:3-4 (New King James Version)Paul speaking to Timothy:
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.
AND
2 Thessalonians 2:3 (New King James Version)
3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin[a] is revealed, the son of perdition
But, Obama is not the first person to be likened to the anti-Christ. Only God knows the time and the season, but we know when the time is near. I think we are living in a very exciting and frightening time.
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One difference between Obama and Republican retards is when Obama talks about science he doesn’t invoke a magic god fairy.
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Joel Mark: So, it didn’t happen, except for all those times it did, but they don’t really count because [spin madly for any extenuating circumstance no matter how absurd.]
Right.
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I made my point and your comment at #95 was itself an illegitimate “spin” of what I was saying, SteveG. I stand by my point and my questions at post #92 stand.
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Steve
I’m curious. From past posts, I understand that you are a Christian. Though your hermeneutic is not what I would call orthodox, I do not question your Christianity. But what I find curious, brother, is why are so many of your posts in opposition to the family of God? Brother, this ought not be. Please, if you are inclined to retort back, pray about it. I’m not trying to start a “fight”. I’m trying to correct this public enmity between you and the rest of the family of God in this blog site. After prayer, if you’re so inclined, I will consider where you think I am wrong.
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Another angle on the deification of Obama has to do with a phenomenon of social progressivism which makes politics a religion. This fits in well with the social gospel politics of the religious left.
Obama has declared that he wants to create heaven on earth. This is a form of dominionism, which uses political power to achieve a utopia through the strong arm of government.
Social progressives have no problem co-opting religious language to promote their cause, even claiming that Jesus is on their side. Yet they also feel completely justified in using totalitarian means of stifling the free speech of those who would use religious language to actually mean religious things.
As a Christian, I find the hypocrisy of the left quite interesting and amusing. I think I’ll have some of Coyote’s popcorn.
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Brother Dan:
That’s a very interesting question. You may not have seen it, but on one of the Whirled Views threads just a few days ago I pledged to stay out of what I consider “stupid partisan” arguments. I defined that as those where people divide up into sides (Republican/Democrat, or Christian/non-Christian, or conservative/liberal, or ‘Bama/Auburn or whatever) and argue from the premise that their side never does anything wrong, and that everything the other side does is wrong.
I am tempted to get drawn into those because I am just naturally argumentative. But I recognize that when arguments are so polarized and so detached from reality, there’s never a chance of doing anything constructive. No one is interested in truly considering the other point of view, just in voicing their defense of their side.
So I am renewing an effort to avoid those.
However …
I do not feel like I should stand by silently when outright misinformation is being bandied around. In this thread, one person is denying that any conservative leader ever questioned the patriotism of any Democrat; well, I have always been pretty politically plugged in, and I remember the past few years quite well, and I know that that statement is flatly untrue. Questioning the patriotism of Democrats was a standard arrow in the quiver of the conservatives during that time. Ann Coulter wrote an entire book specifically on that topic. Members of Congress said it on the floor; some of their comments have been quoted here.
So should I stand by silently and let the denial stand, or let others take up the fight? Or should I speak up and risk being perceived as being “in opposition to the family of God?”
Maybe you can get some sense of my dilemma.
The larger answer to your question, however, is that for all of my life I have felt obligated to challenge people who feel certain that they are right and everyone else wrong. You see it manifested here as me arguing with fellow Christians over points on which they seem to be certain they’re correct. I consider it a challenge, an “iron sharpening iron” dynamic that asks people to think about what they believe and why, and to defend it. It truly is not meant to be hostile, although it may come across that way. In some cases I do disagree; in other cases I may not have a solid position of my own and want to hear the case. And sometimes I challenge even views I agree with, because I think there’s a value in thinking through our reasons.
But what’s important for you to understand in that is that I challenge many of the conservative Christians here because they’re the majority view in this online community. If you saw me on a board populated mostly by another group — atheists, for example — I would adopt a contrary position to them too, and challenge them just as hard.
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SteveG-99
Thanks for that. I really appreciate the answer.
As one who also likes to argue, I can understand your bent towards doing so. Though I don’t often agree with your conclusions, I do agree sometimes. I’m just concerned that the body of Christ arguing with each other publicly is not a good thing.
God bless you, Steve. And if He is willing, I look forward to more spirited debates with you.
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Dan: I do sometimes stop to wonder just who the heck I think I am to presume to know better than others.
But that seems to just be human nature, as pretty much everybody here thinks they know better than me.
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