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Last night, David Letterman finally got around to sincerely apologizing for the “coarse” and “bad” joke he made last week about Sarah Palin’s daughter: “I feel that I need to do the right thing here and apologize for having told that joke. It’s not your fault that it was misunderstood, it’s my fault that it was misunderstood.”
This morning, Palin accepted his apology:
“[I]t’s accepted on behalf of young women, like my daughters, who hope men who ‘joke’ about public displays of sexual exploitation of girls will soon evolve.
“Letterman certainly has the right to ‘joke’ about whatever he wants to, and thankfully we have the right to express our reaction.”
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As well he should.
However, while Sarah Palin is not a “lightweight,” she is no more than a middleweight, and not the best the Republicans could have come up with as a Vice Presidential candidate.
It’s fairly safe to conclude anyone the conservative Christians at worldmagblog endorse is not the best the Republican party can do. Amazing how quickly Republicans have declined. However, the Democrats are very good at racing to the bottom, so their day int he barrel will come again.
We are all fallen.
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Sarah scores one against TV comics.
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Mickey: You say this is what Letterman said “last night,” but this clip is of what he said several days ago. In the course of the clip, he says:
We were, as we often do, making jokes about people in the news and we made some jokes about Sarah Palin and her daughter, the 18-year-old girl, who is — her name is Bristol, that’s right, and so, then, now they’re upset with me.
And:
These are not jokes made about her 14-year-old daughter. I would never, never make jokes about raping or having sex of any description with a 14-year-old girl. I mean, look at my record. It has never happened. I don’t think it’s funny. I would never think it was funny. I wouldn’t put it in a joke.
Here is a Fox News story from June 11 quoting him saying exactly that.
The Palins may have finally decided to accept the apology, but Letterman has not “finally decided” to make it; he said this a week ago.
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Oops. You’re right, Steve. Wrong clip. Thanks for pointing it out. Correct one up now.
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It’s not accurate to say that Sarah accepted Letterman’s apology. She accepted a cessation of hostilities, and she accepted her particular reformulation of Letterman’s apology. Letterman apologized for telling a joke that could be misunderstood. The apology Sarah boasts of accepting is a hypothetical apology for the joke that Letterman didn’t tell and that she churlishly insists upon misunderstanding, even after being informed otherwise.
The fact is, Palin is insincere. Here’s why. If she really believed that Letterman told a joke about the “sexual exploitation of girls,” as she characterizes it, Palin could not accept the apology Letterman actually made. Letterman did not apologize for telling such a joke, he apologized for telling a joke that did not stop itself from being misinterpreted by Palin. By pretending to accept a fictive apology, Palin admits that it wasn’t really needed.
Curiously, nobody wants to say what Letterman’s joke was really about: Palin’s negligent guardianship of the young, and Bristol’s stupid choices as a young adult.
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Mickey: Ah, good. And yes, that’s a good apology, if belated.
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That’s not an apology; it’s a self-centered attempt to blame her for not getting it. An apology contains the words “I’m sorry.”
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Letterman apologizes for making a joke that was in his words “coarse,” and which was poorly constructed and prone to being misunderstood. He pleads good intentions, saying several times that he didn’t know Willow was at the game, and so there’s a hint of an “I’m sorry you were offended” sort of unapologetic apology. Yet in the end, he mans up enough to take responsibility for his comedy, saying he’s sorry he did it.
Good enough. Move on.
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The words, “I feel that I need to . . apologize . . it’s my fault,” constitute an apology, though not an apology for causing harm. In this instance, there was no harm. There was a joke.
The harm was Palin’s negligent guardianship. She’s supposed to be a conservative who accepts responsibility for her failings instead of blaming men.
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“It’s not your fault that it was misunderstood, it’s my fault that it was misunderstood.”
David Letterman apoligized for a mistake he thinks we made–we allegedly “misunderstood” him. Note the passive voice. That’s ridiculous and offensive. We understood him perfectly and he knows it. He was not “misunderstood.”
Also, Letterman’s silly intent vs. perception dichotomy was nonsensical and self-serving. Again, he is implying that we are to blame for misperceiving his wonderful and innocent intentions. I don’t buy it. I am not convinced his intentions were good at all. And we perceived him all too well.
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“The apology Sarah boasts of accepting is a hypothetical apology for the joke that Letterman didn’t tell and that she churlishly insists upon misunderstanding, even after being informed otherwise….that did not stop itself from being misinterpreted by Palin.”
Actually the joke lent itself more readily to Sarah Palin’s interpretation than Letterman’s professed intention. The circumstances surrounding the situation made the joke’s reference to Willow explicit in the joke Letterman did tell, even if Letterman had the circumstances wrong and he had another target in mind. That is what Letterman himself finally expressed in his apology. The fact is Scroop is insincere in pretending otherwise.
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I hope that Letterman keeps telling jokes that are coarse, poorly constructed, and prone to being misunderstood.
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Well, she had the good grace to accept the apology, and from what I heard on the news this morning, he sounded reasonably contrite.
Let’s hope, however, that he’ll wise up. He didn’t fact check, and he was wrong about what’s funny. I give Palin credit for sticking to her guns — and quite frankly, I think that’s what irritates the left the most about her.
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“Letterman apologized for telling a joke that could be misunderstood.”
Exactly. He didn’t apologize for making an extremely crude and insensitive joke about Bristol, (or even less, Willow).
It doesn’t really matter who the butt of the joke was, it was still wrong, and he should have apologized for making it at all.
And Scroop… You’re just wrong. Your moral sensibilities are quite seared anyway. Aren’t you the one who said sluts should be celebrated? Why should we listen to you?
To blame the choices of one’s offspring on a parent is stupid. Do you have no children of your own? Do you not understand that they make their own moral choices despite what the parent would have them do? One might be the best parent in the world, but that doesn’t stop children from being fallen.
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The circumstances surrounding the situation made the joke’s reference to Willow explicit in the joke Letterman did tell, even if Letterman had the circumstances wrong and he had another target in mind. That is what Letterman himself finally expressed in his apology.
That depends on which circumstances, KEN. The circumstance of Bristol’s history with athletes, graduation, and a recent cover of People’s Magazine are also relevant, I think. You are correct that Willow was present, but incorrect to say that I’ve pretended otherwise. I’ve argued, rightly, that Willow’s connection to Letterman’s joke could not be swiftly apprehended. I’ve also argued that Palin’s insistence about Willow is an effort to misdirect attention away from her failure as a family values mother.
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Scroopy, Willow was the one with her parents at the baseball game. Letterman should have fact checked if his intent was to go after Bristol — not that he should have said what he said about her either. That’s the part you dont’ seem to comprehend. Like Letterman, you think you can say anything you want about women and it’s all right. And his slutty stewardess comment was directed at Palin herself and totally, 100% out of line.
We’ll see in the future if Mr. Letterman has learned anything. I guess we’ll see the same thing about you, too.
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JOEL #10. Given your reading of Letterman’s apology, do you accept Palin’s acceptance?
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“I give Palin credit for sticking to her guns.”
Politicians have become almost as afraid to offend comics as old Hollywood used to be of gossip columnist. I remember McCain’s groveling appearance on Letterman’s show.
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Rush is correct.
They are terribly afraid of Palin.
Random, while conceding that she was not a “lightweight” still calls her a “middleweight”.
So, they have a junior senator who accomplished nothing before he was elected and created chaos after election. This, while blaming everything on “the previous administration” and “I inherited….”
As a humerous comment before the election, I said, “I am more qualified to be president than Obama.” We had some fun with my presidential bid, but no one has shown that my claim wasn’t true.
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Letterman should have targetted his jokes at Levi Johnston, papa of Bristol’s outta wedlock baby. But then Poor Dave woulda caught relentless flak from the UFL (Unwed Fathers’ Alliance).
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CHAS — Liberals are afraid of any conservative with enormous popular appeal and charisma, but will only start to fear Palin if she stops “yammering,” as Peggy Noonan characterizes her, and educates herself about issues of substance and trains her mind to deal with them instead of just playing a celebrity game with the media. If she can re-invent her self she will be an atomic bomb, if she’ll still be a bombshell, but she’ll continue to bomb.
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Joel Mark: Also, Letterman’s silly intent vs. perception dichotomy was nonsensical and self-serving. Again, he is implying that we are to blame for misperceiving his wonderful and innocent intentions. I don’t buy it. I am not convinced his intentions were good at all. And we perceived him all too well.
I believe this is the point — if not earlier — where Christians are to remember 1 Corinthians 13, about how “love keeps no record of wrongs suffered,” and show some grace.
He acknowledged the situation. He defended his intention, but acknowledged fault for choosing to tell a joke that could be so readily misunderstood, DID NOT blame people for misunderstanding it, and did apologize.
Whether you believe him or not, isn’t this where something about loving one’s enemies and praying for them comes into effect?
Or is it Christlike to continue to grumble and gripe and disparage?
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I have no doubt given the fact that Lynn is spending time with her that the suggestion that she prepare more for when the lions come to chew her up will be advanced. For all we know, she’ll even be shown this thread.
What frightens the left so much is that she has that appeal. She need not “re-invent” herself, just add on. They are already afraid of her — they were last fall.
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LOL @ you people.
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Scroop wrote; “I hope that Letterman keeps telling jokes that are coarse, poorly constructed, and prone to being misunderstood.”
In other words, you apparently hope decent people continue to be smeared and hurt.
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Decent? Sarah Palin messy. She have crime family. Kids not graduate.
Smeared? We don’t need Letterman to tell us, she can’t go to stadium without bringing back future grandchild.
Hurt? Sarah celebrity.
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#26. Scroop. Talk like CroMagnon. Me likey!
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Of course, the joke wasn’t “misunderstood” – the problem is that it was perfectly well understood.
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“Letterman certainly has the right to ‘joke’ about whatever he wants to, and thankfully we have the right to express our reaction.”
Statements like these are a ray of hope and light that seems to be missing from the rhetoric of many on the other side of the fence. Political correctness has been a simmering pot for years. After the shooting of Dr. Tiller, many on the left are taking the next step and arriving at a scary and dangerous consensus on alleged “hate speech.”
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OK, Gun. What’s so freakin’ funny about baby daddy, the only character who wasn’t surprised that Bristol got pregnant?
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Sarah Palin probably did accept the apology to just get the whole thing behind everyone. Letterman obviously doesn’t get it, so what is the point of going on about it?
I heard an interesting discussion of the whole thing that shows the liberal mind set. One woman kept insisting that the whole thing was ok because Bristol got pregnant (I won’t use the offensive, disgusting term she used) and also the governor’s fault because she didn’t teach her daughter safe sex. Interesting, safe sex is ok, but having a baby makes one a prostitute and therefore someone who can be ridiculed. Like Scroop says: Not graduated, having a baby out of wedlock equals a prostitute.
Sleeping around with every Tom, Dick and Harry is ok as long as one is a liberal and practices safe sex. And of course, men can do whatever they want and they are considered moral anyway. Didn’t Letterman have a baby out of wedlock, so to speak? Is the mother of his child up for ridicule too? Can she not be trusted around men, Scroop? How disgusting!
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“Like Scroop says: Not graduated, having a baby out of wedlock equals a prostitute.”
Or just as bad, “sluts should be celebrated”.
So on the one hand a woman is denigrated because she didn’t have an abortion, but celebrated because she sleeps around?
Wow. What a set of morals. I’d like my daughter to emulate that… NOT.
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Letterman should resign. He has crossed the line one too many times. We don’t need his stupidity on our air waves. Let’s have some better comedian come in and take over that time slot.
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Contact CBS and ask for Letterman’s resignation.
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Letterman misjudged the storm he created. It was beginning to get too rough for him, so he finally apologized in his second attempt.
Sarah Palin accepted the second apology attempt. Great!
The Letterman audience can decide whether he’s worth watching.
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Mr. Letterman’s ratings are up….
That was another nice apology by Mr. Letterman. Of course the Perpetually Aggrieved© remain perpetually aggrieved. Nothing can be dome about that.
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“Of course the Perpetually Aggrieved© remain perpetually aggrieved. Nothing can be dome about that.”
Sigh. Yeah. I know. Why don’t you quit whining about it?
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Why not have some fun and clean jokes today about St. Sarah?
“Sarah Palin is all over the news lately. She told Matt Lauer on the ‘Today’ show that, yes, the rumors were true, on election night she did want to deliver her own concession speech and she was disappointed that she couldn’t. Well, she shouldn’t feel bad. Wait till 2012. Deliver it then.” –Jay Leno
“Well, according to a new post-election survey, people want Sarah Palin to run for president in 2012. It says she’s been getting thousands of calls from people pleading with her to run, all Democrats.” –Jay Leno
“President-elect Barack Obama spent the day thanking the people who helped him win the election. Yeah, and actually, Obama’s first phone call was to Sarah Palin. He sent her flowers.” –Conan O’Brien
“You know who is really, really happy that John McCain did not win last night? The boyfriend of Sarah Palin’s daughter. He doesn’t have to get married now. ‘Whew, thank God!’” –Jay Leno
“A lot of speculation about Sarah Palin’s future, but last night, she denied rumors that she’s getting ready to run for president in 2012. Palin said, ‘That’s a long time away. I’ll be a great-grandmother by then.’” –Conan O’Brien
“According to expense reports, Sarah Palin charged the state of Alaska over $21,000 for her children to travel with her on official business. In fairness to Gov. Palin, when she leaves them home alone they get pregnant.” –Seth Meyers
“Hugh Hefner is entering the fray. Hugh Hefner has asked Sarah Palin to pose nude for Playboy magazine. Yeah, and Palin said she’d agree to pose for Playboy as long as there’s no interview.” –Conan O’Brien
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John McCain: “I don’t understand why Letterman would say that about a young woman… They deserve some kind of protection from being the butt of late-night hosts.”
John McCain: “Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because Janet Reno is her father.”
McCain never did apologize to Janet Reno or Chelsea.
Rush Limbaugh on TV: “Did you know there’s a White House dog?” Puts up photo of 13 year old Chelsea Clinton.
I don’t think Rush apologized.
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McCain and Limbaugh were jerks to tell those jokes, but that doesn’t make Letterman any less of a jerk. But personally I’d rather be called ugly than a prostitute.
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McCain did apologize.
http://www.salon.com/news/1998/06/25newsb.html
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40- who was called a prostitute?
41- he did not apologize to the people he derided in his joke. He apologized to the president.
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GOP Activist: Gorilla on Lam Just Michelle [Obama's] Ancestor
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I’d rather be called a prostitute than ugly.
È tardi. Could we all please just deplore the mistreatment to which Democrats have been subjected by male Republican operatives in the South. Didn’t a Republican politician in Tennessee just publish a chart of the portraits of all the presidents ending with two white dots on a black square? HA! A spook! Get it? Didn’t a politician in South Carolina just write that Michelle Obama is related to a gorilla (not referring to the descent of the species, of course)? These folks aren’t funny, they are operatives of a party that wants our votes.
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Here’s the actual quote.
Minutes after the gorilla’s escape was reported, Republican former Election Commission chairman RustyDePass posted on his Facebook page: “I’m sure it’s just one of Michelle’s ancestors – probably harmless.”
The Perpetually Aggrieved© are silent on this one…. I guess because it’s just typical GOP racism.
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Here’s another one.
South Carolina Republican operative, Mike Green’s racist Tweet against President Obama:
I JUST HEARD OBAMA IS GOING TO IMPOSE A 40% TAX ON ASPIRIN BECAUSE IT’S WHITE AND IT WORKS [emphasis and caps are all his]
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42. “who was called a prostitute?” Palin’s daughter, when she was connected to Spitzer.
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45. Don’t you evolution people believe we all have gorilla ancestors?
46. You’re kidding. You find that more offensive than having your children called hookers? Democrats are such sissy.
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Scroop-
Wonkette has the story on the latest offensive and racist GOP email sent from a Tennessee Republican Senator’s office.
“How are the Republican politicians doing with the email today? Not too good, as usual! It’s a busy Monday, as one Republican official already got busted doing racist anti-Michelle Obama stuff on the Facebook, and now we’re learning about some super-funny racist emails sent out by a Tennessee GOP legislative staffer for Republican state senator Diane Black. Let’s meet the charming Sherri Goforth, who sent the image above to god knows how many people because, ha, a Negro in the White House?
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48-
I don’t see the First Lady breathlessly complaining to anyone and everyone who will listen about being the butt of a racist GOPer’s joke. Unlike Sarah, she has class and dignity.
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Michelle is an adult and can take care of herself. I would like to see her reaction if this had been aimed at one of her kids. I would hope she would go mama bear on them and I would be right behind her.
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And that’s what Sarah Palin did — she defended her daughters, and everyone’s daughters for that matter.
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“Michelle is an adult and can take care of herself.”
Agreed. She is a very classy and dignified woman. It’s a shame Republicans make her and her husband out to be sub-human simply because they are not white.
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Two low level Republicans that I’ve never heard of and whose career is most likely over.
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Don’t forget the troops, NJLAWYER. Sarah said this was for them, too. When you attack the Palins you hurt our troops and the terrorists win!
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David Letterman was appeasing the TERRORISTS!!!!!!!
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Scroop, RPN, do either of you have children?
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49. Of course racism always outranks sexism with Democrats. Whenever the left has to choose between women and ANYBODY else women lose.
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Low level? And no, these people haven’t been fired. Hardly. If they fired every stupid racist, there’d be no one left.
Republican Party Chairman Chip Saltsman sent out the “Barack the Magic Negro” song as a “gift” to Republican National Committee members….
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And firing every stupid sexist would pretty much whipe out the Democrats. Bill Clinton would be the first to go.
Bottom line would it upset you for someone to call your child a hooker?
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not if she isn’t!
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KBELLS – You are correct that we see this variety of racism at the State and local levels but not in national Republican politics.
(At the national level, racism shows its fawning face as Michael Steele, Clarence Thomas, and the former congressman from Oklahoma who was perpetually at the side of Newt Gingrich. The most famous victim of this racism was Bush domestic policy advisor Claude Allen, who had a title with no authority.)
But don’t underestimate grass-roots bigotry, KBELLS. That’s what fueled the populist fervor of Nixon and Reagan’s Southern politics.
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62. Scroop, the only way Obama won was by winning several Southern state that formally went Republican. He owes his victory to Southern Republicans.
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61. I’m done talking to you.
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That was a very good apology. Nice going Dave! You did the manly thing and owned up.
RPN moved passed that about 12ms after Dave said it and immediately returned to his bigotry, smearing, twisting, mocking, ridiculing, denigrating anything conservative.
Honestly, it is hard to tell if many of those links are racist RPN. Some may be. However, the joke you quoted in #46 was commentary on Obama’s racism. Obama has made it clear that he is a racist. He called working class whites bitter xenophobes clinging to guns and religion. He lauded praise on his pastor of 20 years who spews black liberation theology.
So the aspirin joke was not racist in itself. It was commentary on the most racist president in American history.
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That isn’t so, KBELLS. You’re forgetting that Obama won Ohio, the big Kahuna. Obama would have been elected without VA, NC, or FL. This was the earthquake. With Ohio (not to mention IN, CO, and NV) Democrats don’t ever have to win the South again.
Which is bad for Republicans, who are chained to the clear racism in the borderer lands. All though Appalachia, from South-central PA down through WV, TN, KY, Northern AL, LA, AR, and OK — all these Anglo-Saxons voted more intensely for McCain than they did for Bush. They even told pollsters it was because of race.
KbELLS, I’ve heard “respectable” white men denouncing our N-word president in public places.
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Leave it to Xion to justify blatant GOP racism. sigh
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66. So, some Democrats in some states switched over because he was black and some Republicans switched over in spite of him being black. Which is the racist party?
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Leave it to RPN to justify blatant sexism. sigh.
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The racist party used to be both parties, but mainly the Democratic Party. Truman and Johnson (but not JFK) changed that, so Democrats got African Americans and Republicans got white racists. People who are prejudiced against Blacks almost invariably vote Republican.
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If you only knew, Kbells…
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Scroop, I know some very racist Democrats. At least two of them are pro-abortion because they’re hoping it will get rid of more minorities. As a matter of fact almost every out and out racist I know (as opposed to normal people who believe in policies that liberal claim are racist) are yellow dog democrats.
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#67 Leave it to Xion to justify blatant GOP racism. sigh
I’ve spent my life fighting racism, which these days is a prominent commodity of the left. How is calling Obama racist itself racist? Do you even know what the word means?
If Obama talks about those bitter white folk, it apparently isn’t racist. But when someone points it out it is? Sheesh!
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Xion-
Your life’s fight has been undermined by your allegiance to political party. That’s very sad.
To my and Google’s memory, Obama has never even spoken about “bitter white folk.”
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A recent poll found people view Rush Limbaugh as the leader of the Republican Party. Here are a few nuggets (what we call dog droppings). Does anyone here condemn GOP Chairman Rush?
- I mean, let’s face it, we didn’t have slavery in this country for over 100 years because it was a bad thing. Quite the opposite: slavery built the South. I’m not saying we should bring it back; I’m just saying it had its merits. For one thing, the streets were safer after dark.
- You know who deserves a posthumous Medal of Honor? James Earl Ray [the confessed assassin of Martin Luther King]. We miss you, James. Godspeed.
- Have you ever noticed how all composite pictures of wanted criminals resemble Jesse Jackson?
- They’re [blacks] 12 percent of the population. Who the hell cares?
- Take that bone out of your nose and call me back(to an African American female caller).
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RPN – 75
Why don’t you give the blog you’re quoting?
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Why bother. Everyone has the google these days.
How about these fine words by the 15 protesters John Ziegler (Sarah Palin’s Don King) was able to get to CBS Studios today? yawn.
“Should we talk about his son?” one protester asked Green. “I believe his son was born out of wedlock. I believe there’s a term for that.”
“Is someone making jokes about his child?” asked another. “Especially, you know, when he had a daughter out of wedlock himself” (he doesn’t; 5-year-old Harry is his only child).
“How dare he?” asked yet a third, the most offensive of all. “When he has a bastard son, and a slut for a wife” (Letterman’s wife Lasko has kept a notoriously low profile).
It should be noted that Sarah Palin’s teenage daughter Bristol gave birth to baby Tripp (out-of-wedlock) in December and broke up with the baby’s father, Levi Johnston, in March.
Other conservative talking points thrown around at the rally included, “Close the borders!” and “I only watch Fox News,” as well as the general sentiment that Jay Leno is a better host than Letterman.
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Here is Leno’s Palin joke for comparison. Ziegler attracts the disconnected nutjobs, huh??
“Gov. Palin announced over the weekend that her 17-year-old unmarried daughter is five months pregnant. And you thought John Edwards was in trouble before! Now he has really done it.” — “The Tonight Show With Jay Leno,” 9/2/08
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Victoria-
Here is the link to the ‘blog’ with polling data on Limbaugh leading the Republicans.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/120806/limbaugh-gingrich-cheney-seen-speaking-gop.aspx
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#74 Your life’s fight has been undermined by your allegiance to political party. That’s very sad.
That’s funny coming from you.
Which is my party? I am an independent. My philosophy is that power corrupts and therefore you don’t want to concentrate it. The government that governs least governs best. Republican politicians accomplish very little. I view that as a good thing. But that is hardly offering allegiance.
My political philosophy is essentially classical liberalism, namely self reliance, individualism, limit powers of government, civil rights, separation of church and state, etc.
I view modern liberalism as an inverted world where up is down and right is wrong. Liberals are well intentioned but always accomplish precisely the opposite of what they want. I am all for energy independence but all Obama’s plan does is build a few windmills while he bows and kisses Saudi princes. I am against racism, but liberals make racism law. I am for helping the weak and helpless, but liberals believe it is their right to pull off their arms and legs. And so on … Having a consistent opinion on this isn’t pledging allegiance to any party.
You on the other hand have never and will never say anything other than the Democratic party line. And you have never and will never say anything nice about a Republican.
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Victoria: Why don’t you give the blog you’re quoting?
Does that make the content less offensive somehow?
Seriously, you and I don’t agree on much but we do agree (I thought) on being firmly opposed to racism. So RPN got those Rush quotes from a blog aimed at black readers — does that make his suggesting that James Earl Ray should get a medal less offensive?
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Scroopy: do we have female troops? Ah, yes, we do.
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75. I have a strong suspicion that most of these were taken out of context.
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Steveg – 80
YOU WROTE: “Seriously, you and I don’t agree on much but we do agree (I thought) on being firmly opposed to racism. So RPN got those Rush quotes from a blog aimed at black readers — does that make his suggesting that James Earl Ray should get a medal less offensive?”
I am opposed to racism, we both are – however it’s important to note exactly where they come from, and who they were aimed at, IN THIS CASE.
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More than out of context, most likely a lie.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2273348/posts?page=19
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See the last paragraph. The James Earl Ray quotes is pretty much a lie.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talk:Rush_Limbaugh
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KBells: So it is. I stand corrected.
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Makes you a little suspicious about the rest of them, don’t it?
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