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Whirled Views 6.25
Good morning!
Today’s quote is from an American writer, editor, and academic:
“Now that it’s officially summer, here’s my advice to parents who want to continue teaching their kids during the next two months and learn something themselves: Visit Civil War battlefields.”
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Great quotation!
Hi Cheryl,
I also didn’t have time to continue the end-times discussion this time, but I was able to find your entry from the older discussion concerning the fulfillment of OT prophecy:
God did fulfill His promises to Abraham and His descendants already. Too much to say on that one, but the most important point to be made is that Christ fulfilled all the Old Testament. To go back and say “Whoops, this tiny little thing isn’t yet fulfilled, and we have to retrace our steps” is to make the Cross sort of an anticlimax with loose ends to the original covenant.
I’ll allow you to be the judge as to whether you were saying that all of the OT prophecies have already been fulfilled.
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On a sports note:
I’ve been reading everything I can about the huge US victory over Spain in soccer. 2-0. This has me doing a happy dance (and no, you don’t want to see it).
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To say that all the Old Testament is fulfilled in Christ is different from saying tha Christ fulfilled all the Old Testament.
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It doesn’t sound like his syntax, but how about Shelby Foote?
One of the funniest books about Civil War reenactors is by the hilarious Tony Horwitz: Confederates in the Attic. It turns out most of the reenactors prefer the Confederate side!
Twelve years ago, the four children and I spent Saturday night in Gettysburg. I knew we needed to go to church the next morning, but where? On the wall in the hotel was an ad for a “Civil War battles Sunday school class” meeting at 10 in the parking lot at Little Round Top. We drove out and along with some forty other folks, followed a Gettysburg docent/Baptist Sunday school teacher as he walked us through the passage in Ephesians about putting on the armor of God–and explained the battle for Little Round Top at the same time.
Fascinating on several counts–and I got to see the ravine where one of my kinfolk died on July 3, 1863. Sobering, that.
My daughter will agree with the quote. After visiting Normandy this spring she told me, “This is the way history should be taught. I really understand World War two, now.”
And wouldn’t that be lovely? To have the time and money to visit every historic site in the world?
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Michelle – So you were in Conn. last week, right? It has been sooooo humid, & today it is going to be warmer & more humid. I can’t take it anymore!
Thank God for air conditioning! I try not to use it too much, because of the electric bill, but when I need it, I am very thankful for it.
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Michelle, your daughter is right! That’s what our summer vacations were about when we were young. Our parents didn’t grow up in this country and wanted us to learn about the USA and they did along with us, so we visited a lot of historical sites. History is about real people, their hopes and aspirations, not dates to be memorized. I still remember walking through the room at Gettysburg where they said Lincoln was in before he made the speech, and I believe they had the chair he used, but that was a long time ago.
I agree! A trip like that would be absolutely fascinating. My dream vacation is to take the new Queen Mary on a world tour and do just that. Funding is a problem.
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How about the eight Iranian soccer players who last week defiantly wore green wristbands during a World Cup qualifying match in South Korea in order to show support for opposition leader Mousavi (green is Mousavi’s campaign color). The match was broadcast live on Iranian state television with millions of Iranians tuning in.
Now, apparently, those players have had their passports taken away and have been removed from the national team (including the captain).
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I have been involved with online communication and social networking for many years, from long before the creation of the World Wide Web. For many people who participate, it’s a very unhealthy substitute for real life social networking with real people in real places such as churches and taverns. Look at me, for example.
Some of the people who are attracted to this desperate simulation of human interaction are already unhealthy, obsessive, and addicted, and unaware of their conditions. If anyone criticizes them or even disagrees with them, they become agitated, defensive, hostile, and downright peculiar.
A typical symptom of such behavior is posting dozens of comments in a single day. Another is talking about things they know nothing about with great assurance and confidence. Yet another is quoting obscure and confused holy books.
It is best not to interact with such people. Especially do not try to tell them what to believe or how to conduct themselves. I have seen such people have complete breakdowns and continue to “comment” in an increasingly deranged manner. [This is true.] Stay as far away from them as you can get. Also, be sure to wash your hands thoroughly afterward.
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As a child I visited most Civil War Battle Fields. I just thought it was a quirk of living in the south that most re-enactors were Confederates. Hmmm. Spent yesterday at the water park. Lot’s of sunscreen but now I am brown as a berry. That’s what will happen when that good old In’jun blood dominates that Scots-Irish blood.
Baby Boy Dog has taken up with my friend Malia, he is even sleeping in her room not mine because she mixes table food in with his dog food. Next week will be a rude awakening for His Royal Highness. My nephew has been house sitting for me. He has called several times to find out how to make the Uppity Cat shut up. I may actually have a revolt on my hands when I get home.
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One of my daughters told me she hated that we took her to so many historical sites. My husband was a history major and I have always loved history, so we thought it was fascinating. Maybe a nice balance of historical sites and just plain fun parks is a good balance?
One seldom hears about the Civil War up here in northern MN. I have visited many of the sites near Nashville and find the history quite interesting, especially hearing it from the southern perspective. We will bring our grandchildren when they are older and can apprecitate it more.
Northerners in general are not as into the Civil War. I don’t think it affected us like it did the South where there was so much devastation. I understand that more after going to several of the sites and hearing the stories.
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RE: #8
Did y’all hear something…..?
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Hello. I have no guess as to the identity of the person being quoted. But, I have visited many civil war sites and cemetaries with my family as a kid. My dad loves history and genealogy. I also like history.
Our kids were older when we adopted them. They don’t have much experience with museums or historical sites. I wish I could share that more with them. A lot of times, they just aren’t interested.
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I will add that my daughter, who complained about going to the historical sites, now loves to go to them. She also brings her children. She also mentioned to me once about some people being so ignorant of history that she couldn’t believe it. I’m sure at the time, she did not realize how much she was learning.
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“It turns out most of the reenactors prefer the Confederate side!”
Of course, we’re expecting to win next time! Which unfortunately, if the federal gov’t. keeps going at the current rate of insanity, may come sooner than you think.
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KI,
Regarding Civil War sites, have you ever been to Andersonville (GA)? The original structures are gone, but the prison boundaries are marked off and the museum is excellent.
Also, I have been to Minnesota only one time in my life, but on that occasion I took a walk through the national cemetary in Minneapolis (or is it St. Paul?) Very sobering experience.
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MIM, I enjoy a break from the day and the opportunity to spend a little time with some fellow Christians, something I don’t get from those around me. It’s sad that this offends, but there it is.
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This just in from the Supremes who have ruled illegal the search of that girl when she was 13, in school. Not yet discussed at the Volokh if you wanted to see more, but check there later.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,529066,00.html
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NJLawyer…
I actually find that… whatever it was… very easy to ignore.
I just can’t find it in me to be offended.
There are other’s that…. well you know.
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I haven’t been to Andersonville. Sounds like a good plan for the future sometime.
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Tychichus,
What Chas said. I wasn’t saying that there was nothing in the Old Testament that is yet future. I think there are probably prophecies of Christ’s second coming in there, for instance. But to the best of my knowledge, all the OT prophecies regarding the Jewish nation have been fulfilled, either by the nation or in the ultimate purpose of their being a nation in the first place–the coming of the Messiah.
But as I’ve said before, I don’t think prophecy is something we’re even supposed to figure out in advance. The big picture, yes–the Messiah is coming someday (now fulfilled), Christ will return someday. But the details only make sense looking backward and seeing the fulfillment. In Christ’s first coming, the Jews had it all wrong, and I think we risk the same error today when we try to figure out details. It’s enough to know that Christ wins and that we will be with Him in eternity. To divide over people guessing the details in advance is not only unbiblical, it’s silly. You’re my brothers, and Christ is our King.
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I realize we don’t give prizes for guessing the quote anymore—budget cuts, you know
—but I wanted to provide you with another clue: He’s well known around these parts.
Glad to see the discussion it has generated. My wife and I, instead of the usual beach trip a few years ago, turned a visit to the Wilmington, N.C., area into an educational field trip for our daughter—and it turned out to be one of our best vacations ever. (We had plenty of beach time, too.) The Civil War connection to that trip was a visit to Fort Fisher.
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With a clue like that…
Marvin Olasky?
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Well, if he’s well known around here, and he’s a writer, editor, and academic, then he’s probably Marvin Olasky.
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Kevin: You used to overtake like that in the Scrabble thread!
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Chas,
Thanks for the greeting on yesterday’s WV. I read everything everyday but rarely post anymore. You, Cheryl D, Pauline, and a few others always manage to say what I’m thinking, so no need to be repetitiously redundant.
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Cheryl: Fair enough. I think that Scripture is clear that there are still some OT prophecies regarding the Jewish nation that have yet to be fulfilled. I do agree with your second paragraph, which I guess is why I was wondering why you brought it all up again a couple of days ago!
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Good posts on this endtime stuff, Cheryl D.
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Amos 3:6-8 (King James Version)
6Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
7Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
8The lion hath roared, who will not fear? the Lord GOD hath spoken, who can but prophesy?
Blessings to both of you. I’m not trying to win something here, but to teach. I’ve been a Bible teacher for over 25 years, and can’t get it out of my system.
Still, I wouldn’t be taking the time to do this if I didn’t see signs of the four winds blowing and striving on the great sea. (Dan. 7:2) I believe a little country the size of New Jersey is going to affect the destiny of the world.
However else you read it, that’s what the Bible says.
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I’m not entirely caught up on the ongoing Revelation discussion on here, but for now I’ll just say that I am a pre-millenialist. A guy at my church who is a post-millenialist believes that we are in the Lord’s kingdom right now. The main thing I have against that is this: If this is the Lord’s kingdom, it’s sure not very impressive. He (the one who says that) sees Revelation as all symbolical. Personally, I think Revelation is much more interesting if taken as mostly literal and not a symbolic history book.
Although I have only read some of it, has anyone heard of the book, Cracking the Apocalypse Code, by Gerard Bodson?
I take everything with a grain of salt, but I am often open to new ideas. In this case, the said book has the starting time of the “next conflict” (WWIII, I believe) to be midday on Feb. 5 2043. Well, I guess we just wait until then and see what happens, eh? And if nothing happens, oh well, it’ll happen eventually, I think.
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I’ve been over visiting “Garney Bridge”. TJ & Cameron haven’t been around for a while, but I see that they are going on a mission trip to Musims somewhere. We should pray for them.
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Past the sports thing: I spent my childhood visiting various historical sites. I was a real buff of the Revolution, so the family trip to Boston was a hit, especially visiting USS Constitution (Old Ironsides). But since we were from the west, we never journeyed south (Williamsburg was about as far as it got), so the Civil War sites mostly went unseen.
Of course, be it a battle site or museum, my family knows that they have to drag me along — I like to read every label everywhere.
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Dr. Olasky is correct. Since we’re watching our expenses and our barista is likely off somewhere in the wilds of Alaska, here’s a cup of reheated coffee left over from this morning for KevinB:
~@)
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Rio, good point. If we’re in the Lord’s kingdom now, what is it like when we aren’t in it? And when did it start? Revelation is largely symbolic, but it represents real things.
Disbileave anyone who sets a date of any kind.
The entire discussion is on yesterday’s WV.
Everyone interested in history must visit Charleston, SC.
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And Rio, when someone tells me he is pre-post-non or “pan” millenial, the next thing I’m going to say is, Why?
And I don’t expect the answer to start with “I don’t believe God would ….”
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Looks like Farrah Fawcett and Mark Sanford knocked Neda off the WMB headlines. For that matter all major media.
So far it’s Tanks 1, Tweets 0. At this rate there will be another 20-30 years of suffering before the next Iranian “revolution.”
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14. My dad used to say that, the reason he liked Civil War Movies was that he kept hoping we would win this time.
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Mickey, I’m not much of a coffee drinker, but thanks for the effort.
Tychicus, you’re welcome to the coffee, though you might need to re-heat it again.
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Another good place for history buffs is the Freedom Trail in Boston.
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Michael Jackson — Cardiac Arrest
Jun 25th 2009
We’ve just learned Michael Jackson was taken by ambulance to a hospital in Los Angeles … and we’re told it was cardiac arrest and that paramedics administered CPR in the ambulance … and it’s looking bad.
http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/25/michael-jackson-rushed-to-the-hospital/
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Kevin: I’m with you – I’ve actually never been a coffee drinker. Who else could we offer it to?
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Chas,
Of course, many previous dates have been incorrect, but I suppose there’s a possibility (albeit slight) of one being correct. The code the researchers used utilizes the numeric equivalents of the Hebrew alphabet or something like that.
Although I haven’t done a deep study of Revelation, my views on this are such because of a few things.
1) While I’ve heard many things taught and have accepted some teachings and disagreed with others, I’ve essentially grown up as a premillienialist, although it’s an issue that I’ve not given much thought to until recently, as opposed to arguments against (and for) Calvinism, etc.
Also, it seems the most logical viewpoint to me so far, especially after talking with the friend at my church and hearing his views.
2) From reading Revelation and the rest of the Bible, I think it makes sense that we are in or near the end times.
1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
3) Another thing is the fact that seven (7) is the “perfect number” and is used many times in the Bible, along with “3″ and some other numbers. Many Creationists aggree that the world is roughly 6,000 years (give or take some), so it would fit that we are in the end times, Christi is returning soon, and the last thousand years will be the millenial reign.
4) Right now I am fairly confident that the Devil is “the Prince of this World” for now, and we can’t possibly be in Christ’s kingdom; it just doesn’t make sense.
5) A rather irrelevant point is that I like talking about government conspiracy theories, the move toward a totalitarian government; that sort of thing.
Since the beast or the Antichrist or whoever the “big bad guy” will be will create the one world government, that’ll give me something to fight…I’ve often thought I’d like to go back to another time, including the early to mid-20th century, during the French Wars of Religion, sometime during the Spanish Inquistion, during any of the well-known witch trials in Salem and elsewhere, where I could have fought against the evil institution, person/s, or forces of evil at work. To deal out damage to Mao, Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, the Spanish Inquisition and all the others…oh, I’m rambling on again for too long off the topic.
Well, I’ve got to go.
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1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Has there ever been a time when that’s not been true?
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For the next gay thread…
A church performs an excruciating exorcism on a homosexual 16 year old. Complete with video, which the church tried to suppress after posting it on its own website.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31528426/ns/us_news-faith/
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Sigh. And now what. This will be played as child abuse by some, no doubt.
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The code the researchers used utilizes the numeric equivalents of the Hebrew alphabet or something like that.
Rio – Remember that not even the Son knows the date. If there was indeed a code, I’m pretty sure Jesus could figure it out.
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Human beings are quite capable of destroying their own civilization and even their ability to continue to exist. I have read statements on worldmagblog that Islam is a religion of evil.
I have no particular attachment to Islam and no urge to defend it. However, the Old Testament does not particularly come across to me as the works of a religion of love.
I finally got around to reading Revelation a few years ago. I think the people who decided what went into the New Testament made a mistake when they left that in. It undermines the tone of a “New Covenant.”
Over the last few years of my last job I met quite a few Muslims. I did not feel any danger in their company. I know there are many Muslims who are not peaceful, so that the ones I know are not among them proves not much. Probably Christianity holds up a little better in today’s world compared to Islam, but that’s a damned with faint praise compliment.
The discussion over the last few days about end times mostly comes across to me as nutty. I do think civilization is going to end by the end of this century. It won’t be an Act of God. It will be us doing it to ourselves.
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Rio – Remember that not even the Son knows the date. If there was indeed a code, I’m pretty sure Jesus could figure it out.
What happened to Christ knowing everything?
Another book, this one certainly much easier to take as fact, is Islam and Jihad. I forgot the author, but I’ll talk about it more later. I’ve got to go now.
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The definition of child abuse? Those who want to talk about abuse, what is it? – is it “excruciating exorcism” ?
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