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		<title>By: Xion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 03:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Dav.  My brother is a cop too.  He says exactly the same thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Dav.  My brother is a cop too.  He says exactly the same thing.
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		<title>By: Dav</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 00:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been a cop for over 17 years now. I don&#039;t profile. I don&#039;t need to. The people who break the law and constantly end up in jail most often advertise through their stupidity.  Some nights it&#039;s like shooting fish in a barrel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been a cop for over 17 years now. I don&#8217;t profile. I don&#8217;t need to. The people who break the law and constantly end up in jail most often advertise through their stupidity.  Some nights it&#8217;s like shooting fish in a barrel.
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		<title>By: Amphipolis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amphipolis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 23:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crime victims are grossly disproportionate by race, but nobody cares about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crime victims are grossly disproportionate by race, but nobody cares about that.
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		<title>By: RonD</title>
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		<dc:creator>RonD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE #18 NJL

Yeah, I know the ACLU does have their moments—proving that &#039;all&#039; inclusive broad brush statements about such things just doesn&#039;t work.  I really didn&#039;t mean to imply they are constantly wrong.

I didn&#039;t read everything after #18 to get here, but I&#039;d bet there are at least a couple of more all inclusive broad-brush proofs lurking in that collection of glyphs.  People feel strongly about the ACLU—I do, but hopefully only when justified.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE #18 NJL</p>
<p>Yeah, I know the ACLU does have their moments—proving that &#8216;all&#8217; inclusive broad brush statements about such things just doesn&#8217;t work.  I really didn&#8217;t mean to imply they are constantly wrong.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t read everything after #18 to get here, but I&#8217;d bet there are at least a couple of more all inclusive broad-brush proofs lurking in that collection of glyphs.  People feel strongly about the ACLU—I do, but hopefully only when justified.
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		<title>By: Xion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you look at the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2007/offenses/expanded_information/data/shrtable_03.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;FBI statistics&lt;/a&gt;:

31% of homicides are committed by whites.
37% by blacks.
32% by other or unknown.

In other words, most homicides by far are committed by non-whites.  So why is the ACLU hell-bent on seeing the same number of whites in jail?

And why does everything have to be about race?  Can&#039;t we simply lock up people who commit crimes regardless of their skin color and stop this racist bean counting?!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you look at the <a href="http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2007/offenses/expanded_information/data/shrtable_03.html" rel="nofollow">FBI statistics</a>:</p>
<p>31% of homicides are committed by whites.<br />
37% by blacks.<br />
32% by other or unknown.</p>
<p>In other words, most homicides by far are committed by non-whites.  So why is the ACLU hell-bent on seeing the same number of whites in jail?</p>
<p>And why does everything have to be about race?  Can&#8217;t we simply lock up people who commit crimes regardless of their skin color and stop this racist bean counting?!!
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		<title>By: Michael Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 14:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Royclay (#20):

Although my comment at #17 was said &quot;tongue-in-cheek&quot; there is historical precedent behind its sentiment.  The ACLU was established by leftist extremists during WWI and immediately became an attractive organization for the communists and their sympathizers of that period.

Its principal founder, Ralph Baldwin, was a pacifist, a member of the radical &lt;I&gt;Industrial Workers of The World&lt;/I&gt;(IWW), and the author of the pro-Communist book, &lt;I&gt;&quot;Liberty Under The Soviets&quot;&lt;/I&gt;.  Although he later denounced Communism, the ACLU&#039;s leftist orientation continued to attract scores of Communists to its membership.  The Communist goal of discrediting and undermining the police, the military, and religion as principal institutions of the &quot;evil&quot; capitalist system dove-tailed nicely with many ACLU goals and activities.  

The Communist influence within the ACLU became so strong and negative to its public image that, in 1940, the organization had to embark on a purge of prominent Communists from its membership.  Among the first to go was Elizabeth Gurley Flynn, one of the founders of the ACLU, a chairperson of the American Communist Party and a member of the IWW.  (In 1964, upon her death, Flynn was honored with an official state funeral in the Soviet Union.)  

Whether this purge was genuine or merely cosmetic is uncertain.   However, the public disposal of a few &quot;sacrificial lambs&quot; like Flynn worked to some extent to restore the ACLU&#039;s tarnished image.

Although there are many sincere and patriotic Americans in the ACLU, to this day the organization remains an attractive tool for radical leftists.   Their goal of undermining the security of America and its conservative institutions is nicely facilitated by many ACLU activities.

So as we debate the issue of &lt;B&gt;alleged&lt;/B&gt; &quot;racial profiling&quot; on this thread, we need to keep a reasonable balance between personal freedoms and national security.  We need to remember that there really are those among us, with ulterior motives, who wish to use our freedoms to undermine our security.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Royclay (#20):</p>
<p>Although my comment at #17 was said &#8220;tongue-in-cheek&#8221; there is historical precedent behind its sentiment.  The ACLU was established by leftist extremists during WWI and immediately became an attractive organization for the communists and their sympathizers of that period.</p>
<p>Its principal founder, Ralph Baldwin, was a pacifist, a member of the radical <i>Industrial Workers of The World</i>(IWW), and the author of the pro-Communist book, <i>&#8220;Liberty Under The Soviets&#8221;</i>.  Although he later denounced Communism, the ACLU&#8217;s leftist orientation continued to attract scores of Communists to its membership.  The Communist goal of discrediting and undermining the police, the military, and religion as principal institutions of the &#8220;evil&#8221; capitalist system dove-tailed nicely with many ACLU goals and activities.  </p>
<p>The Communist influence within the ACLU became so strong and negative to its public image that, in 1940, the organization had to embark on a purge of prominent Communists from its membership.  Among the first to go was Elizabeth Gurley Flynn, one of the founders of the ACLU, a chairperson of the American Communist Party and a member of the IWW.  (In 1964, upon her death, Flynn was honored with an official state funeral in the Soviet Union.)  </p>
<p>Whether this purge was genuine or merely cosmetic is uncertain.   However, the public disposal of a few &#8220;sacrificial lambs&#8221; like Flynn worked to some extent to restore the ACLU&#8217;s tarnished image.</p>
<p>Although there are many sincere and patriotic Americans in the ACLU, to this day the organization remains an attractive tool for radical leftists.   Their goal of undermining the security of America and its conservative institutions is nicely facilitated by many ACLU activities.</p>
<p>So as we debate the issue of <b>alleged</b> &#8220;racial profiling&#8221; on this thread, we need to keep a reasonable balance between personal freedoms and national security.  We need to remember that there really are those among us, with ulterior motives, who wish to use our freedoms to undermine our security.
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		<title>By: NJLawyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>NJLawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 12:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s good to read that you&#039;re taking care of that mold and mildew problem, Monty. ;)

Some of you seem to think white people are never pulled over or stopped from going onto a plane.  There was that white woman who died in their custody, some relative of a NY celebrity or something like that. (Not to mention that little boy who said &quot;bye, bye plane&quot; once too often. He was white.)

Passports can be faked. You expect the police to literally stop asking a question or following their procedures just because a passport is handed over?  They&#039;re not doing their job if they do that. If the woman was a lawyer, she should have identified herself as one. Your anecdote only relates one side of the story and it can&#039;t be cross-examined, now can it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s good to read that you&#8217;re taking care of that mold and mildew problem, Monty. <img src='http://online.worldmag.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Some of you seem to think white people are never pulled over or stopped from going onto a plane.  There was that white woman who died in their custody, some relative of a NY celebrity or something like that. (Not to mention that little boy who said &#8220;bye, bye plane&#8221; once too often. He was white.)</p>
<p>Passports can be faked. You expect the police to literally stop asking a question or following their procedures just because a passport is handed over?  They&#8217;re not doing their job if they do that. If the woman was a lawyer, she should have identified herself as one. Your anecdote only relates one side of the story and it can&#8217;t be cross-examined, now can it?
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		<title>By: montyfisherwoof</title>
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		<dc:creator>montyfisherwoof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 08:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arcadia,  If Reed is constantly being &#039;inspected&#039; and &#039;reinspected&#039; then he needs to figure out a strategy. Insanity is defined as doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. 
Frankly since he was interviewed more than once then he may  be some sort of terrorist. Agents don&#039;t really want to waste their time.  And unless the border has been really dull they don&#039;t want to talk to the same guy over and over. Anyway Reed is obviously doing something wrong. And his story is suspect.
As far as Fairuz goes, her story is doubtful and even if true she obviously did not know how to handle herself. If she were just some unintelligent woman  then her story would be more plausible. 
The best thing I can find about Fairuz is that she had the good sense to marry someone named Monty :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arcadia,  If Reed is constantly being &#8216;inspected&#8217; and &#8216;reinspected&#8217; then he needs to figure out a strategy. Insanity is defined as doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.<br />
Frankly since he was interviewed more than once then he may  be some sort of terrorist. Agents don&#8217;t really want to waste their time.  And unless the border has been really dull they don&#8217;t want to talk to the same guy over and over. Anyway Reed is obviously doing something wrong. And his story is suspect.<br />
As far as Fairuz goes, her story is doubtful and even if true she obviously did not know how to handle herself. If she were just some unintelligent woman  then her story would be more plausible.<br />
The best thing I can find about Fairuz is that she had the good sense to marry someone named Monty <img src='http://online.worldmag.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>By: arcadia</title>
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		<dc:creator>arcadia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 04:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Loved the stats about stops vs seizures. Maybe we should double the number of stops of WHITE people.

Fairuz, an American citizen should have known better than to try to get back into the country?

And why the heck should Reed have to &quot;get to know&quot; the supervisors??? 

Sorry Monty. No deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loved the stats about stops vs seizures. Maybe we should double the number of stops of WHITE people.</p>
<p>Fairuz, an American citizen should have known better than to try to get back into the country?</p>
<p>And why the heck should Reed have to &#8220;get to know&#8221; the supervisors??? </p>
<p>Sorry Monty. No deal.
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		<title>By: montyfisherwoof</title>
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		<dc:creator>montyfisherwoof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 03:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I support several police associations because I can understand what they go through. They are not likely to know what they will get at any particular stop. Those who drive badly may also do other bad things. Police officers have a tendency  to see a lot more &#039;baddies&#039; in their work than the rest of us. And that has to make them &#039;tough&#039; at times.
Some of the DWB&#039;s you hear about are really DWBAA&#039;s. Driving while being an Axle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I support several police associations because I can understand what they go through. They are not likely to know what they will get at any particular stop. Those who drive badly may also do other bad things. Police officers have a tendency  to see a lot more &#8216;baddies&#8217; in their work than the rest of us. And that has to make them &#8216;tough&#8217; at times.<br />
Some of the DWB&#8217;s you hear about are really DWBAA&#8217;s. Driving while being an Axle.
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