Comments on: Jindal expands conscience protection http://online.worldmag.com/2009/07/09/jindal-expands-conscience-protection/ A forum for discussion of news that arises at the intersection of Christianity and culture. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 14:03:05 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: StuBob http://online.worldmag.com/2009/07/09/jindal-expands-conscience-protection/comment-page-1/#comment-441961 StuBob Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:07:56 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=20212#comment-441961 <i>Apparently if you don’t want to murder babies or euthanize the elderly you’re not allowed to be in the medical profession.</i> Bingo. That's the goal. Do you want a doctor with a conscience or not? It's that simple. As for Arcadia's red herrings, examples of legal secretaries, etc., are irrelevant. As a physician, I'm not employed by an abortionist. If I were and I refused to do abortions, I'd expect to get fired. As it is, I contract with an individual patient to provide a service. If she requests something I am unable to do because of training or conscience, it is only ethical for me to decline. I don't do the thing and I don't get paid for it. Hiring and firing. No government intrusion necessary. Apparently if you don’t want to murder babies or euthanize the elderly you’re not allowed to be in the medical profession.

Bingo. That’s the goal.

Do you want a doctor with a conscience or not? It’s that simple.

As for Arcadia’s red herrings, examples of legal secretaries, etc., are irrelevant. As a physician, I’m not employed by an abortionist. If I were and I refused to do abortions, I’d expect to get fired. As it is, I contract with an individual patient to provide a service. If she requests something I am unable to do because of training or conscience, it is only ethical for me to decline. I don’t do the thing and I don’t get paid for it. Hiring and firing. No government intrusion necessary.

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]]> By: sansend http://online.worldmag.com/2009/07/09/jindal-expands-conscience-protection/comment-page-1/#comment-441798 sansend Thu, 09 Jul 2009 23:13:59 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=20212#comment-441798 MFW, "Having a lack of conscience in the first place many democratic monsters and demons don’t really understand the concept" You can't just put all Democrats in one group and through them under the bus. A conscience is given to everyone, and it is up to the individual to listen to it or not. Insulting those who might not agree with you will only make them lose respect for you and your beliefs. also, placing all Democrats with the ones who may give them a bad rap, will simply increase the chances of them doing the same thing to us. MFW,

“Having a lack of conscience in the first place many democratic monsters and demons don’t really understand the concept”

You can’t just put all Democrats in one group and through them under the bus. A conscience is given to everyone, and it is up to the individual to listen to it or not. Insulting those who might not agree with you will only make them lose respect for you and your beliefs. also, placing all Democrats with the ones who may give them a bad rap, will simply increase the chances of them doing the same thing to us.

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]]> By: Scroop Moth http://online.worldmag.com/2009/07/09/jindal-expands-conscience-protection/comment-page-1/#comment-441751 Scroop Moth Thu, 09 Jul 2009 21:06:00 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=20212#comment-441751 We have broad agreement about the criminality of the behavior that we suppress by means of police power. However, many honest, productive, and admirable people who abhor murder nevertheless think that abortion is not murder. How in the world we could criminalize abortion, let alone prosecute it without consensus, is anybody's guess. We have broad agreement about the criminality of the behavior that we suppress by means of police power. However, many honest, productive, and admirable people who abhor murder nevertheless think that abortion is not murder. How in the world we could criminalize abortion, let alone prosecute it without consensus, is anybody’s guess.

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]]> By: mynock http://online.worldmag.com/2009/07/09/jindal-expands-conscience-protection/comment-page-1/#comment-441749 mynock Thu, 09 Jul 2009 20:57:15 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=20212#comment-441749 <em>"Having a lack of conscience in the first place many democratic monsters and demons don’t really understand the concept."</em> I'm officially requesting that this personal attack be reprimanded! “Having a lack of conscience in the first place many democratic monsters and demons don’t really understand the concept.”

I’m officially requesting that this personal attack be reprimanded!

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]]> By: Ringbearer http://online.worldmag.com/2009/07/09/jindal-expands-conscience-protection/comment-page-1/#comment-441736 Ringbearer Thu, 09 Jul 2009 20:43:22 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=20212#comment-441736 Apparently if you don't want to murder babies or euthanize the elderly you're not allowed to be in the medical profession. How corrupt is our world when the only people allowed to help others are those willing to hurt them? Apparently if you don’t want to murder babies or euthanize the elderly you’re not allowed to be in the medical profession.

How corrupt is our world when the only people allowed to help others are those willing to hurt them?

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]]> By: arcadia http://online.worldmag.com/2009/07/09/jindal-expands-conscience-protection/comment-page-1/#comment-441672 arcadia Thu, 09 Jul 2009 18:56:15 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=20212#comment-441672 MFW: Instead of bashing democrats and most C.O's, why not try to respond to my post. What are the limits for creating a right that allows one's personal conscience to interfere with one's duty to do one's job? And how does this particular statute with the traditional pro-business position of the Republican Party? MFW: Instead of bashing democrats and most C.O’s, why not try to respond to my post. What are the limits for creating a right that allows one’s personal conscience to interfere with one’s duty to do one’s job?

And how does this particular statute with the traditional pro-business position of the Republican Party?

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]]> By: montyfisherwoof http://online.worldmag.com/2009/07/09/jindal-expands-conscience-protection/comment-page-1/#comment-441665 montyfisherwoof Thu, 09 Jul 2009 18:47:10 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=20212#comment-441665 It is understandable that a lot of Democrats have trouble with conscience protection. Having a lack of conscience in the first place many democratic monsters and demons don't really understand the concept. Of course many of the democratic M & D s were conscientious objectors when that meant they could 'Opt Out" of serving this country. I am categorically NOT saying that all CO's were cowards. But many in the Democratic party especially at the head of the party have no conscience and hence are even more the hypocrite for it. It is understandable that a lot of Democrats have trouble with conscience protection. Having a lack of conscience in the first place many democratic monsters and demons don’t really understand the concept. Of course many of the democratic M & D s were conscientious objectors when that meant they could ‘Opt Out” of serving this country.
I am categorically NOT saying that all CO’s were cowards. But many in the Democratic party especially at the head of the party have no conscience and hence are even more the hypocrite for it.

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]]> By: Ken http://online.worldmag.com/2009/07/09/jindal-expands-conscience-protection/comment-page-1/#comment-441650 Ken Thu, 09 Jul 2009 17:58:38 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=20212#comment-441650 <i>"drastically improved safety of medical abortion"</i> Safe abortion is a morally repugnant oxymoron. The baby always dies. Medical professionals acquire their credentials through arduous schooling and are accountable to boards that oversee the profession by establishing and enforcing the norms. Respecting life as intrinsically worthy has historically been a key value, once enshrimed within the words of the Hippocratic Oath. The slippery slope here is far steeper and less slippery than supposed. Incidentally you mischaracterize the other argument as "slippery slope." The point there was rather that an argument loose enough to apply to all manner of situations is no argument at all. “drastically improved safety of medical abortion”

Safe abortion is a morally repugnant oxymoron. The baby always dies.

Medical professionals acquire their credentials through arduous schooling and are accountable to boards that oversee the profession by establishing and enforcing the norms. Respecting life as intrinsically worthy has historically been a key value, once enshrimed within the words of the Hippocratic Oath.

The slippery slope here is far steeper and less slippery than supposed.

Incidentally you mischaracterize the other argument as “slippery slope.” The point there was rather that an argument loose enough to apply to all manner of situations is no argument at all.

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]]> By: arcadia http://online.worldmag.com/2009/07/09/jindal-expands-conscience-protection/comment-page-1/#comment-441614 arcadia Thu, 09 Jul 2009 16:46:33 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=20212#comment-441614 Incidentally, Jindal is just grandstanding here. He's fighting to be in the lead of the anti-abortion pack. Unless, of course, Louisiana really does have a physician assisted suicide or euthanasia law... Incidentally, Jindal is just grandstanding here. He’s fighting to be in the lead of the anti-abortion pack. Unless, of course, Louisiana really does have a physician assisted suicide or euthanasia law…

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]]> By: arcadia http://online.worldmag.com/2009/07/09/jindal-expands-conscience-protection/comment-page-1/#comment-441609 arcadia Thu, 09 Jul 2009 16:43:30 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=20212#comment-441609 There are millions of jobs in this country. And millions of different "consciences". Should a legal secretary have the <b>right</b> not to type a brief if she disagrees with her boss' position in the case? Should a meatcutter who suddenly falls under the influence of PETA be allowed to refuse to do his job, or just insist on doing it differently without suffering any consequences? Someone on the gay marriage thread used a "slippery slope" argument today. If ever there was one, this is it. And, interestingly, religious groups receiving government money insist that they have the right to refuse to hire those whose consciences are wrong. You can't have it both ways. There are millions of jobs in this country. And millions of different “consciences”. Should a legal secretary have the right not to type a brief if she disagrees with her boss’ position in the case? Should a meatcutter who suddenly falls under the influence of PETA be allowed to refuse to do his job, or just insist on doing it differently without suffering any consequences?

Someone on the gay marriage thread used a “slippery slope” argument today. If ever there was one, this is it.

And, interestingly, religious groups receiving government money insist that they have the right to refuse to hire those whose consciences are wrong.

You can’t have it both ways.

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