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Joke or no joke?
Ever since Barack Obama took office, his image has adorned T-shirts, bumper stickers, posters . . . you name it. When I was in Washington, D.C., a few weeks ago visiting with WORLD’s Washington bureau reporters, you couldn’t go anywhere around Capitol Hill without seeing his face on some sort of souvenir. Now, someone who isn’t too fond of our president and his policies has created a gruesome-looking poster of Obama as the Joker, à la Heath Ledger in The Dark Knight, plastering it all over L.A. The poster also has the word “socialism” written across the bottom.
Do you find this to be a clever use of First Amendment rights? Or do you believe it crosses a line, going too far in portraying the president as the evilest of villains?
Personally, I despised the way MoveOn.org types vilified President Bush while in office and would like to see all presidents treated with more respect. Making light of presidents and their idiosyncrasies—for instance, in editorial cartoons or on late-night TV—is one thing, but equating them with one of the most satanic characters in cinematic history is another.
UPDATE: LA Weekly somehow sees racism in the portrayal, saying, “The only thing missing is a noose.” And for a similar treatment of George W. Bush, see this image posted on Vanity Fair’s website last summer. Doubt there was as much outrage over that one. (HT: Hot Air)
UPDATE II: Los Angeles Urban Policy Roundtable President Earl Ofari Hutchinson told KTLA, “Depicting the president as demonic and a socialist goes beyond political spoofery, it is mean-spirited and dangerous.”
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I am no fan of President Obama but I think the office of President of the United States deserves a certain amount of respect and I thin this is tasteless.
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but equating them with one of the most satanic characters in cinematic history is another.
Ledger’s Joker is not the most satanic character in cinematic history.
The poster reminds me of Obama’s campaign trail. When he smeared his opponents. You can’t put makeup on Obama and change his nature.
And this poster is by far tame to several that are out there.
In some ways I miss the old days when the Presidency had some dignity. After Obama the office will never be the same. I guess that was what was meant by “Change”
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Though I am no fan of Obama, this does go over the line. It would be different if it were just a clown face or something. But before reading the post, I this looked like a white face “negro” from the old days, which reeks of racism.
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Monty – Which character do you think is the most satanic in cinematic history?
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This is beyond sad.
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I agree that the president shouldn’t be subjected to that sort of thing. But Monty says that in the old days, the presidency had some dignity. IMO, Bill Clinton did most to remove the dignity from the presidency.
I’m sure Jon can think of worse past cases.
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I get pretty hard core about 1A, so while I’m no fan at all of the image, the right to present it remains. My own concern is that this seems more a preaching or presenting to the sold, so it serves to reinforce thought patterns. We honor our presidents and others in authority not because of who they are but because of their office, and because God has chosen to rule us through them. Yeah, I didn’t especially like that with GWB, but I had to learn, all the same.
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I do not believe it’s right to depict the President of the U.S. in this fashion –
There are several ways to look at this -
People are angry over the billions of dollars which have melted away to WHERE?
Obama wanting to take over the auto industry.
The ‘instant gratification’ process of a health bill which many people are not in favor of.
The smug way in which Obama went after the police officer to give his old pal Gates thumbs up. That has angered many people, along with the beer fest for a photo opt on the White House lawn.
Much has been made of the Birth Certificate, with zero respect towards the citizens of this country as they have requested Obama to produce one, a real one, legally showing his birth place. His grandmother claims he was born in Kenya. Obama received a ‘cool’ reception when he visited Africa just a short time ago.
Much of Obama’s academic background has been sealed -
Obama attending Wright’s church for twenty years and knowing nothing of what Wright bellowed from the pulpit – making remarks that he went their every Sunday morning at 11 PM.
Yes the reverse white face is not respectful, however it isn’t a crime, it’s an attempt in my estimation of the time we are in, people want his attention, they want this madness to stop, they want some order and dignity shown to the citizens of this country – and that does not mean taking money from the rich, those who own business’s and giving it to those who don’t work. When business is taxed to the brim, when the owners are not only taxed, made to pay for all insurance to all employees, part time, full time, it simply isn’t right. Giving someone a job, paying them to do that job does not entitle the employee to health insurance.
Obama’s ratings have fallen drastically. I believe many people feel they have been conned. This doesn’t make the depiction right, nor does it excuse whoever pasted it all over Los Angles, but it does give solid reasons for such a thing to have happened.
Most unfortunate!
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Many times these sort of things say more about the critic than about the one being criticized. The artist and those who like it are not the sort of people I would enjoy having as American neighbors. They don’t respect the office of the President of the United States. I wonder if they really know what America is all about.
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As I don’t watch movies, I didn’t realise this was done by a critic of Obama. I would have thought it was put out by one of his adorers.
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I have tried to find the exact places where these posters have been found in L.A. – does anyone know? -
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Was he trying to make President Obama look like the Joker or Michael Jackson?
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I wouldn’t put any relevance on urban posters. They are just part of urban life. No big deal. Every famous person and certainly every president has had similar, or far worse, treatment.
Oh, it’s Obama! Never mind.
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While I think the racism thing is a bunch of garbage, and I’m no fan of Obama, I do think that this treatment of our president is rotten.
I didn’t appreciate it when they did it to George Bush either.
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Come on people. This is NOT a depiction of the Supreme Leader Obama as the ‘Joker’.
This is simply a candid and untouched photograph of Obama without any makeup, right after his aides read him the latest poll numbers. The stitch lines and discoloring around his mouth are from where he inserted his size 20 foot in his mouth (sideways) last week during that news conference, after the question about the Gates arrest. Fortunately Obama has a VERY big mouth anyway so damage was not as extensive as it would have been on an ordinary person.
The word ‘Socialism’ appearing below his picture is a dirty lie though and a libel for sure.
Everyone knows he is no ‘Socialist’, nope, not even close.
More like a hard core Bolshevik Marxist-Leninst-Stalinist.
Yep. I think the Socialists in LA should sue whoever put those posters up.
They’ll never live THAT association down, once people make it.
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I don’t have any real objection to the artwork. I am really, really tired of the bogus “socialism” meme, though.
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Personally, if posters of what my flesh looked like on the inside were made of me, I would resemble Dorian Gray.
“The reason I will not exhibit this picture is that I am afraid that I have shown in it the secret of my own soul.”
From Ch 1 of The Picture of Dorian Gray
How we depict others is a sure measure of what lies within our own soul.
”The good man, out of the good treasure of his heart, brings forth good; and the wicked man out of the wicked, brings forth what is wicked: for out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks.”
”If therefore thine enemy should hunger, feed him; if he should thirst, give him drink; for, so doing, thou shalt heap coals of fire upon his head. Be not overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.”
What do our portraits of others look like?
How many of my “words” about others been far more horrific than the portrait above?
Too many.
Way too many.
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Those who don’t know its the Joker might think it is some sort of racist throwback to black face in vaudeville. I think it goes too far.
#16 Steve, you keep taking the position that Obama does not want socialized medicine or a single payer system.
Well, here he says that his current plan is merely a stepping stone to his ultimate goal:
“OBAMA MARCH 2007: My commitment is to make sure that we’ve got universal health care for all Americans by the end of my first term as president. I would hope that we can set up a system that allows those who can go through their employer to access a federal system or a state pool of some sort, but I don’t think we’re going to be able to eliminate employer coverage immediately. There’s going to be potentially some transition process. I can envision a decade out or 15 years out or 20 years out.”
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Clever but wrong.
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I’ll wait for Ann Colter to weigh in on the subject to get her objectivity on this before I state my position.
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Since I didn’t like it when they did it to Bush I still don’t like on Obama, but it is no worse than every other president has been portrayed and it is not racist.
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Historically, satire and caricature are fair politically and are useful tools against tyranny. This isn’t near as harsh as the stuff directed at Bush.
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I think it’s fine. Paste it everywhere. It says more about Obama’s critics than it does about him.
And Chas- “IMO, Bill Clinton did most to remove the dignity from the presidency.”
Did you nod off for the last eight years or what??
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“How we depict others is a sure measure of what lies within our own soul.”
Alas, Old Hickory, you are a victim of disorganized thinking.
If an artist draws a portrait that captures arrogance or malice or what have you in the subject, that does not mean that the ARTIST is arrogant and malicious. No more than if a doctor describes a patient as cancerous, that means HE is cancerous, or when Dickens portrays Scrooge, that tells us Dickens is miserly, or when St Paul condemns the backbiting of Euodia and Syntyche, it only means HE is a church-splitting backbiter himself.
Conversely, if I cite someone for courage, does it mean I myself am brave? Is all the world merely an elaborate projection of me?
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Very clever idea, but liberals thought of it first (as Mickey reminds us). Also, the application to GWB was intellectually ambitious and grounded in history and psychoanalysis, in contrast to this know-nothing, birther racism and right-wing, autonomic antipathy.
Without factual grounding, Obama hate depends on falsehoods and feverdreams (i.e.talking like the anti-democratic Obama will still be in office 30 years from now, locking down the autocratic policies he can’t implement now).
The labeling is sophomoric. Socialists think Obama is subservient to Wall Street. Liberals wrote really excellent books about GWB which were classy enough to express some sympathy for Bush’s human charm.
http://www.amazon.com/Bush-Tragedy-Jacob-Weisberg/dp/B002GJU3QE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1249361436&sr=1-1
There’s a fundamental reason why caricatures of Bush are so devestating, while the “same” concept doesn’t work against Obama. Before he entered politics, Obama lived a self-examined life. He wasn’t a drunkard into his middle forties. He wrote a thoughtful book about himself. That gives him a lot of immunity to other people’s mirrors — and cartoons.
The only caricatures that can work against Obama are the exaggerations of his phlegmatic temperament.
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“the way MoveOn.org types vilified President Bush while in office”
Let’s not play fast and loose with history. Cheney was the dark villain, while GW was just sort of a moron. There may have been some confusion about this at the time, but hindsight is 20/20. Whoever heard of a villainous moron?
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Thank you Scroop, the phrase of the day is Phlegmatic temperament. I hadn’t thought of the Four Temperaments in a long long time.
And perhqps you are correct, Obama’s use of beer to soothe problems does not make him an ipso facto drunk. And apparently he has been able to hide his smoking pretty well. His book detailing his drug use became a best seller although you can find some copies at garage sales now.
Of course his ears, his requisite teleprompter, his exagerated gestures might all be gist for cartoons. As well as a hundred other things. Including all of his policies. So we won’t know what the next set of cartoons will be.
And #22, Kwerna, you are correct. Much worse was created to ‘respect’ Bush.
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I dislike it, no matter which president it is aimed at. It crosses a line of respect that the office of President is due, regardless of who is holding it.
However, we need to differentiate between two things: the inappropriateness of the poster versus and the right of citizens to create it and post it. However much someone might disapprove of this poster, it should not be legally banned.
Concerning socialism, it seems that people will not admit that the current government’s policies follow it, even if they were to erect a statue of Karl Marx in the Capitol. If taking over private companies and expanding social services does not qualify as socialism, what does? And if these things are not happening, then what are we even arguing about?
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Outstanding!
Hmm, what was that “lipstick on a pig” comment he made during the campaign? The lipstick has come home to roost.
Put this on billboards across the land.
Barakula Lives!
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29. LOL, Amen.
Do all you haters of this picture mean to say this is the worst caricature of him you’ve all seen? This is one of the tame ones. And I love them all.
You need to remember, not everyone sees this man as their president. He’s certainly not mine.
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Scroop Moth does us a favor; he obligingly pulls the curtain back just a bit for a glimpse of the looney tune mind (such as it is) of a run-of-the-mill left-wing Slave of the State.
He says, regarding his Dear Leader Obama, “Before he entered politics, Obama lived a self-examined life.”
That is truly rich; one of the funnier things old Scroop has managed lately. My compliments.
So Obama was ’self-examining’ himself during the twenty odd years swhen he was sitting all goggle-eyed, legs akimbo, ears flapped out in full reception mode, in the ‘church’ of the ‘Reverend’ Wright as the latter spewed out hate and racism and damned America to Hell. He was ’self-examining’ himself all those years as he drank liqour and snorted cocaine, and plotted and schemed to bring down the hated American Satan, all close-pressed and up cozy in the basement of William ‘Cop-Killer’ Ayers and his ninja Red Army wife? He was ’self-examining’ himself as he taught virulent Marxist-Leninist theories and contempt for America in Chicago so-called ‘Universities’ and worked hand and glove with the Chicago Mob to advance himself? (got a good mansion out of it, though).
If one could ignore the great damage that this clown Obama and his handlers are doing, the Chavez-style policies of intimidation and lies and slander, the naked power grabs aiming to create a tyrannical Socialist State molded after the absolute worst genocidal states of the past two centuries; if one could ignore THOSE things, he is truly one of the richest mines of funny material that has hit the American political scene in the history of this once and maybe-not-future Republic.
But, yeah. If you have the disposition of a willing slave, if you are a sort of Cultural Widget jerking obediantly to the urgings of the puppet lines that stretch like sphagetti from your television to the rusted unused machineries and gears of your brain, I suppose it would be impossible to laugh at Obama or see much humor in him; he is, or was, after all, the Dear Leader, the One Whom the Seas and the Earth Have Waited For, the Messiah.
Of course, the flip side of the coin is that nobody WILL be laughing when the bill comes due on this mother of all Socialist turkeys, name of Barack Hussein Obama.
So the humor of the man is a mixed bag, admittedly.
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24 KWERNA
Hi.
Just wanted to point out the quote I took was from a piece of literature. And in context of this thread, I was talking about art. Whether one writes a book, a song or paints a picture, my suggestion was that the “artist” whatever their medium, usually is grappling with something within them. This may in some way be reflected in their art. My references to Dorian Gray were eluding to this. That is all.
By no means was I talking about doctors diagnosing cancer or Paul exhorting others. I was simply making a point about artistic expression and what it sometimes reveals about the artist. Anything more than that is speculation and your own inference.
Thanks for your comments. Helped me clarify my own.
Old Hickory
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And of course, as mentioned above, I tied it into our own everyday “portraits” we “paint” of others.
But KWERNA, once again, to reemphasize my intent behind my comments, it was in keeping with the two themes of artistic expression and our own tendency to judge others, not ever intending to include medical diagnosis or personal exhortations to others.
Thank you though for posting, as it helps me to clarify thought and realize how what I post is being perceived.
Old Hickory
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I wonder, though, if it’s our “such as is common to man” bond creates able writers, actors, and artists. As Kwerna mentioned,
“If an artist draws a portrait that captures arrogance or malice or what have you in the subject, that does not mean that the ARTIST is arrogant and malicious. No more than if a doctor describes a patient as cancerous, that means HE is cancerous, or when Dickens portrays Scrooge, that tells us Dickens is miserly, or when St Paul condemns the backbiting of Euodia and Syntyche, it only means HE is a church-splitting backbiter himself.
Conversely, if I cite someone for courage, does it mean I myself am brave? Is all the world merely an elaborate projection of me?”
I think that while the artist may not be arrogant or malicious, he has the capabilities of being arrogant or malicious. Dickens had the capability of being miserly. Paul was also aware that he had the capability of being divisive since he calls himself “chief of sinners”. And, yes, if you cite someone as courageous, you have the capability of courage. We don’t know our own hearts.
Now, the cancer diagnosis doesn’t work the same way.
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“My references to Dorian Gray were eluding to this.”
OH,
While I appreciate your posts, and I understand what you were saying, it would be beneficial to your cause if you used the correct word in this context. It’s the second time you’ve used this word incorrectly. I’m tempted to use a classic phrase from Princess Bride but I like you too much to mock you.
I believe the word you need is allude.
al lude [uh-lud]
–verb (used without object), -lud ed, -lud ing.
1. to refer casually or indirectly; make an allusion (usually fol. by to): He often alluded to his poverty.
2. to contain a casual or indirect reference (usually fol. by to): The letter alludes to something now forgotten.
e lude [i-lood]
–verb (used with object), e lud ed, e lud ing.
1. to avoid or escape by speed, cleverness, trickery, etc.; evade: to elude capture.
2. to escape the understanding, perception, or appreciation of: The answer eludes me
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Here’s another modified picture of Obama, and an accompanying article. The article asks if Obama’s Neo-Liberalism can be deprogrammed. It’s not so hateful, and much more informative:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2009/08/04/neoliberalism/index.html
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Xion: #16 Steve, you keep taking the position that Obama does not want socialized medicine or a single payer system.
Well, here he says that his current plan is merely a stepping stone to his ultimate goal:
“OBAMA MARCH 2007: My commitment is to make sure that we’ve got universal health care for all Americans by the end of my first term as president. I would hope that we can set up a system that allows those who can go through their employer to access a federal system or a state pool of some sort, but I don’t think we’re going to be able to eliminate employer coverage immediately. There’s going to be potentially some transition process. I can envision a decade out or 15 years out or 20 years out.”
Once again, you’re misunderstanding what he’s saying. Do you see that bit where he speaks of a pool? He has long advocated having a competitive system, where various insurance plans are available to you and you can choose the one you find best — whether public or private.
His reference to eliminating employer coverage means to do away with the system we have under which your employers offers you one or two options and those are your only choices.
This is NOT about single-payer.
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Yes indeed, ETERNAL. When Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. No exchange of ideas. Paul got in his face with a personal attack.
DRILL, you’re too indirect. Lots of inflation, but no money. Why do I get the feeling that it’s cowardice and not tact that restrains you from saying what you’re saying? You’re yellow. Be like St. Paul.
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Drill is back! How wonderful!
But you forgot his self-examination in following Alinsky and the community organizing. No matter, your post, as usual, said what had to be said.
My own contribution is that you’re in America, kids. Home of the First Amendment. You should check out some of the cartoons on John Adams sometime, and remember that he had to walk the streets wtihout the secret service. This is as old as the country! But for some odd reason so many of you want to exempt Obama. That’s what should be examined.
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I lived in Austin Texas. It is a locus of Bush derangemt syndrome. I saw lots of BUSHITLER graffitti.
It is a measure of our political maturity when a black politician is subjected to the same wacko criticisms that a white politician receives. Many of the OBama criticisms are wingnutty fringe folks (ie the birth certificate OCD folks) but since we are now in a post-racial nation [allegedly] a black liberal should be subjected to the same identical spoofing as we’ve seen with Clinton and other caucasian uber-Libs.
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Had the poster depicted BHO as Sambo or Buckwheat or some type of mud-thatch hut witchdoctor, I would say it crossed the propriety line. For instance, there was on the net some time back the forward showing an OBama supporter on the morning after the election. It featured a homeless drunk(?) blackman sitting on a sidewalk/alleyway with his liquor visible in a brown paper bag. Things like that are irksome because I believe they in fact do create a “chilling effect”. Whites fear any criticism of BHO and his loopy policies will earn them the label racist.
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Yes, well, maybe we need to get past that and be able to say the same things about Obama that we would say about any other president who does things we don’t like. Treat him the same. Let’s judge him on his character and his actions.
His actions stink right now.
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Yes, NJL you can say that and have no fear of being seen as KKK or other hater.
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But for some odd reason so many of you want to exempt Obama.
What many, NJLAWYER? Who? Remember, you can win an argument against a straw man but you can’t collect a judgement. Which makes you a poor lawyer.
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Moth (#38):
You make no sense. You have not addressed a single point that Drill made. His points about Obama were made in a caustic manner, but are true nonetheless. You seem to be a totally dedicated Obama apologist who either quibbles away or totally ignores his obvious failings—much like a mother whose son can do no wrong whatsoever.
Instead of addressing the issues you resort to dishonest name calling and personal attacks. Is Drill a coward as you claim? Would you say that to his face? No, you would not. But here you are safe, hiding behind your anonymous name, showing your own color while falsely claiming it to be his.
You pride yourself on your honesty and objectivity. But I don’t see much of either today.
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The record is up above, Scroopy. You can’t read it?
Which makes you a very poor “insulter.”
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The pillorying of Presidents is neither new nor unique to Bush or Obama. Presidents have been hung in effigy from Washington on and made out to be buffoons in political cartons since newspapers began running cartoons. I find it ironic that the left cannot take what it regularly dished out on Bush – something about the shoe being on the other foot.
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When I saw the image above, I was chilled. I thought, Oh, that’s negative. But when I saw the same treatment of President Bush (I had not seen that before), I thought no more about it. Both depictions are overthetop, so I suppose I’ll have to save my outrage for depictions of the president as Alex de Large.
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How soon before BHO master’s the Clinton art of triangulation and moved adroitly to the center? I’ll be waiting
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I don’t get it? Is this world trying overly hard to PC? Please on this blog call Obama a baby killer all the time! I don’t see a lot of racism in this poster, but I saw it openly in a lot of other pieces attacking Obama that were admittedly defended by conservatives and by World Mag Blog (like the shot Monkey cartoon?!).
“Do you find this to be a clever use of First Amendment rights?”
It’s clearly protected speech (though LA might have posting laws that disagree). It’s just not very clever, and I think it must have been done by someone fairly young or not art educated. JJF will attest that it’s a blunt propaganda association piece, but not a successful one. It simply doesn’t succeed at making Obama look bad.
And as a comic book geek, I have to point out that the Joker is not a socialist!
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I’ll also note that LA Weekly stopped considerably short of calling the poster “racists”!
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Would you say that to his face? No, you would not. But here you are safe, hiding behind your anonymous name, showing your own color while falsely claiming it to be his.
I did say it to his face, MICHAEL Martin. That’s what yellow means. He was come to Antioch, and was to blame. If you wish, I’ll explain why #31 was a cowardly personal attack, under a camouflage of antique and pretentious grammar. But why don’t you read it over, and let me know if you don’t understand what I’m talking about.
You should be the last person to accuse me of hiding. In our last exchange on a recent thread, you made a personal attack. (Don’t worry, my feelings aren’t hurt.) Then you refused to either recant or acknowledge, and eventually you deserted your gutless crosstalk. You’re the one in hiding, MICHAEL MARTIN, and you sneak out to issue a challenge that you lacked the courage to answer yourself. I don’t know if that makes you yellow or stupid. Your choice! I’m guessing the latter. Is DRILL some kind of official name, MICHAEL? What’s up with you complaining about me hiding behind my name? Either slap your hand on your forehead or turn your back and run, Airforce.
I have to admit, I’m a coward too. I was afraid to go to Vietnam, and was afraid of being remembered as stupid enough to let myself be killed there. But what if the war had been just? That may in itself have given me a little more courage, yet I’ll never know. I did not have as much courage as my HS friend, who quit collage for Nam. On the other hand, I never cried in the gym, and didn’t have anything to run away from.
Part of my cowardice is not attacking first, and confining myself to proportional response.
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NJLAWYER #45 – My mistake. I didn’t realize you were infantilizing conservatives. The liberals are tough minded. DJ was the only possibly liberal commenter who objected. (Apologies to Dj if I’m mistaken.) RPN said “Paste it everywhere.”
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MICHAEL MARTIN — It’s also against the code of honor here to complain about a personal attack against someone else. Get your fat donkey on the floor and give me 100 crunches and 50 pushups, if it takes you all day, alas, alas.
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Much of this isn’t a “conversation”. It seems more like a grade school playground. Granted, it is possible for a president (or any politician) to sully the office. And most do to some degree for it is such a high calling. However, if we the people treat our leaders (and each other) like baboons then we will likely get baboons for leaders. Who in their right mind would think that they could effectively and nobly lead a nation of people like us on this blog?
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Fisherman
~~”Who in their right mind would think that they could effectively and nobly lead a nation of people like us on this blog?”~~
With all due respect, Obama isn’t leading – he’s playing dictator, we don’t like it. He has no right to give away other peoples money to his favorite causes – he’s managed to squander billions of dollars on WHAT? When did Obama become nobel?
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Much of this isn’t a “conversation”. It seems more like a grade school playground.
True, I agree.
This poster is over the top and should not be made, distributed or promoted by any Christian. I would agree, however, with those who say the right to make it is protected by the First Amendment. But the standard for Christians is higher than “anything allowed by the First Amendment.”
Bianca #30,
You need to remember, not everyone sees this man as their president. He’s certainly not mine.
He certainly is your President, unless you are not an American citizen. We are to honor the government leaders, whether or not we disagree with them. Peter said, “Honor the king,” in reference to Nero (!). Nero was certainly far less honorable than Obama, but the respect we owe to government leaders is not because they’ve earned it, but simply because God has placed them in authority.
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I did not like such disrespectful nonsense toward Bush and I don’t like it for Obama. I suspect that the SAME individuals who were disrespectful toward Bush may be the one(s) who did this portrait of Obama too. After all, it’s not hard to calculate that this sort of nonsense lends credibility for those who want it to claim that criticism of Obama is just as disrespectful as criticism of Bush was. Who knows? The originator of this portrait did not even have the integrity to identify himself or herself. It could be an Obama-supporting liberal socialist.
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Matt –
I agree with you to a degree, but lets be clear, Obama is not a King, he was elected by this country.
If it could be proven that Obama was born in Kenya it would change the entire situation.
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I agree with CHAS that Bill Clinton did most to remove the dignity from the presidency. There were many Presidents who were incompetent and harmful in various ways but Clinton (who was actually somewhat competent as a politician) did the most, in my opinion, to damage the dignity of the office.
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“I did not like such disrespectful nonsense toward Bush and I don’t like it for Obama.”
You’ve personally said worse!
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I wish human motivation and persuasion resulted more from verbal, conceptual and intellectual input than from images and other more visceral input. That would manifest our advanced status above the level of mere animals. You see, animals are more motivated and persuaded to action by visual stimulation and tonal stimulation, rather than verbally and conceptually. Thus, images like this one have more persuasive power in today’s more crude culture (unfortunately) than intellectual discourse.
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MYNOCK,
I refuse to respond to your unwarranted disrespect with anything equally disrespectful, even if it is deserved. You obviously have no basis for your disrespect or your accusation.
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First, I’m no respecter of persons (ANY person except Jesus) nor do I think the caricature is racist so the poster doesn’t bother me in the slightest.
Second, what goes around comes around. Liberals and their fellow travelers had a field day ridiculing Bush, now that its their turn they want to cry foul?
Yeah right!
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#1 am no fan of President Obama but I think the office of President of the United States deserves a certain amount of respect and I think this is tasteless.
Point well taken. However, if the President is allowed to disrespect his office, as B. Hussein Obama has, then maybe it’s not tasteless at all.
#15 Drill….. I’ve missed you alot, Bro. Seeing your posts does me alot of good.
#16 SteveG am really, really tired of the bogus “socialism” meme, though. Get over yourself, Steve. Try to tell the truth to yourself at least once in life and admit that Obama is a true socialist. I’ve read his latest budget ideas. Yep….it’s confirmed. Ole birthday boy is a dye-in-the-wool commie.
#18 Xion: I saw the vid. I liked it. I also found this on Breitbart TV. I’d LOVE to see what libs say about this video. Ummm….. SteveG, pay attention, please.
http://www.breitbart.tv/obama-in-03-id-like-to-see-a-single-payer-health-care-plan/
#44 Hiya Scroop! Just wanted to observe your spelling error in post 44. The word judgment </b. has no middle "e"
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ooops
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memo to RPN: If I recall your comments about President George W Bush, they didn’t remind me of coming from someone who respected President Bush a whole lot. Therefore……(as the bumper sticker says)…. I will treat your president in the same way you treated mine.
You picked an ideological fight with the wrong guy, Jack.
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#56 Victoria, I was simply saying we tend to get the kind of leaders we deserve. What kind of person would want to be the leader of the conglomerate of people on this blog?
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#53, Scroop, no I am not a liberal–more like a conservative leaning moderate, though I don’t really like the labels. (Apology accepted.) I freely acknowledge that the picture is art or protected free speech, but it’s as tasteless as the lurid picture of George Bush also linked above.
I actually enjoy political cartoons. If they are done well they are like a good visual analogy, are often full of humor, and can be very insightful. Also they can be an acceptable way to blow off steam and frustration.
But there’s something about the Joker that is just evil. Heath Ledger did such a good job with that character that I will probably never look at the Joker as comical again. I think both of the cartoons, Obama’s and Bush’s, capture that quality of evil—Bush’s even more so than Obama’s in my opinion.
Anyway, it’s just distastful to see it on a Christian site. But then I do keep reminding myself, as I said yesterday on another thread, this site is more about conservative politics than anything else—it just has a Christian slant.
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You see, animals are more motivated and persuaded to action by visual stimulation and tonal stimulation, rather than verbally and conceptually.
JOEL MARK. Could you give an example?
I think you’re projecting motivation and persuasion. That’s anthropomorphizing. Animal behavior is conditioned by antecedents and consequences, doncha see.
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We get the kind of leaders whom the majority wants, that isn’t always what is honorable for our country, it’s a matter of who gets the vote – in this case it was Obama, who is doing the worst job possible -
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Obama is not doing so badly. I don’t like to think how bad it could have gotten under McCain who made some of the most clueless remarks about the economy during his campaign. According to him the fundamentals were sound, and the middle class was full of people making in the neighborhood of $5M. Combine that with the inability of Rs in general to foster constructive regulations, and we could be much worse off. —Though I don’t think it’s over yet.
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I don’t know, DJ-72, maybe the fundamentals WERE sound. But they sure aren’t now! At what point will you liberals here admit that the economy is Obama’s? Must we be into his 2nd year in office? Or his 3rd before the nation collectively holds his policies to account.
I, personally, do not have a problem with the poster. It is, to me, quite appropriate to label Obama as a joker, and the the joke in on the American people for thinking that he is anything other than a socialist racist. One does not listen to the likes of his former pastor for 20 plus years, and be associated with known terrorists without agreeing with them.
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Then why won’t he produce the birth certificate?
Honestly, most of us keep a copy in our filing cabinets at home. If we’re all so “OCD,” then explain why he can’t just set us all to running home with our tails between our legs by showing us the actual birth certificate? How hard would that be?
I am the first to realize that — at this point — it would create all sorts of problems for the President to admit he was born in Kenya. But, it is very likely he was.
It says more about his truthfulness, however, then anything else.
And, why is it that it doesn’t bother the rest of you that he won’t show his birth certificate. Yet, those of us who are bothered just get labeled nuts or whatever.
It seems the most reasonable request in the world. The Constitution requires the President be a natural born citizen. So, show the certificate, and people will stop asking for it.
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It never even crossed my mind that this could be interpreted as a racist depiction. It certainly isn’t my fault that people are so sheltered that they’ve never seen the Joker before.
It is obvious to me that Obama was being presented as the Joker from Batman.
I think people need to take a chill pill.
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Make it man wrote this last year just before the election, it seems fitting to repost his accurate summary – TAKE NOTE:
The post above can be found
http://online.worldmag.com/2008/11/01/election-obsession/
Where’s the answers? – where is the transparency, WHY HIDE, WHY be SILENT to all the questions?
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TRS,
#74 I heard someone in the ‘birther’ movement (for want of a better word) say that even if the Prez was born in Hawaii, he still wasn’t eligible to be president because his father was Kenyan and that gave him dual citizenship–and therefore he was not eligible.
IMHO, you could FedEx a certified copy of the Prez’s original long form birth certificate to everyone in the country, and there would still be plenty of people who would insist he’s not eligible to be president. Mostly because he’s not ‘their’ president.
I was satisfied with the certificate shown online, and there were also copies of the birth announcement. And this was before I even seriously considered supporting him personally for president.
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#73 BrotherDan
That’s the beauty of our country isn’t it: we can each support whomever we think is most qualified. But it is helpful to talk to each other and share viewpoints. Thanks for sharing yours.
Be well.
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“The liberals are tough minded.”
Scroopy, have you been reading the threads on this blog? All you guys do is spout out what the White House tells you to, which means there is no mind at all. Talk about Stepford wives!
My favorite post today on this thread: Justus331 telling SteveG to tell himself the truth for once in his life. Priceless!!!! (Ain’t gonna happen, Justus)
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Moth (#52):
You still fail to address the issues and continue with your personal attacks.
When I said you wouldn’t call Drill a coward to his face, I meant what most people mean by that, i.e., directly to his face, in person, face to face, not anonymously over the internet. But of course you resort to your standard quibbling tactics and insist that you did say it to his face. That is just nonsense and I think you know it. How stupid do you think people are?
As far as your calling me “gutless,” “stupid,” etc., is concerned, I just consider the source and let it slide as your standard tactic when confronted with issues that you cannot discuss in a civil or rational manner. Like my comment in regard to calling Drill names, I venture to say you would not say to my face what you have said here. You feel safe in doing it from afar and under the cover of an anonymous handle. So, be it. That’s who you are—for all to see.
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Moth (#54):
You are wrong.
It is against the rules here to complain, to the staff, about a personal attack against someone else. I didn’t click on the “Report comment to moderator” link to do that. My comments were directed towards your general tactics, using your name calling against Drill as the latest example. So your accusation is another falsehood.
You then proved my point with your name calling against me.
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In rereading the thread, this stands out from Sawgunner, and I think he’s hit the nail on the head: “It is a measure of our political maturity when a black politician is subjected to the same wacko criticisms that a white politician receives….”
By the same token, Victoria has quite a list there of missing items. To this day, we haven’t seen Hillary’s thesis from college because it is about Alinsky (who believe in instituting socialism in this country incrementally like Hillary and Obama). What we don’t see here is a good defense from the BHO people as to why all these things have not been provided. Victoria’s question is a good one. Why are these records not released? When I read Victoria’s post, I get that Rose billing records feeling.
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IMHO, you could FedEx a certified copy of the Prez’s original long form birth certificate to everyone in the country, and there would still be plenty of people who would insist he’s not eligible to be president. Mostly because he’s not ‘their’ president.
******Then, he should do so. Some of us would be satisfied. (He doesn’t have to FedEx it to me, but to the mainstream media and a few select representatives of the Right.)
I see no reason why it should remain the mystery that it is. Why can’t we see the original? Why should we believe him when his own grandmother said he was born in Kenya and many of the Kenyans believe this to be true.
How easy it would be to prove us all wrong. But, he won’t do it. Why?
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The certificate shown on line was not a birth certificate, and can be given out to non-native citizens after-the-fact. In addition, there are many people who claim that it is a forgery, since it looks NOTHING like other certificates issued from the same time period, and it refers to his father as “African” rather than as a “Negro.” (African was not a choice back then.)
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IMHO, you could FedEx a certified copy of the Prez’s original long form birth certificate to everyone in the country, and there would still be plenty of people who would insist he’s not eligible to be president.
******Except, no one is asking that he do this. We’re simply asking for the most reasonable thing in the world. Something he could have done without much effort at all, and which would have nipped the whole “birther” movement in the bud. Something that you and I have to do all the time.
SHOW US THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE. The real, untouched, embossed, official birth certificate, with real, checkable names on it.
It is not hard. I have to do it for myself and my kids all the time.
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Wouldn’t it be great to pin him down with a yes or no question?
Will you provide your birth certificate? Yes or No?
But be careful what you wish for! Biden’s up next.
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I have no idea, TRS. Maybe the original has been destroyed somehow. My high school transcripts were destroyed in a fire years ago, and I had to rely on verbal verification and other supporting though less detailed records to prove that I graduated high school. I have no idea why the long form isn’t available for Obama.
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And, if that is the case, then why doesn’t he SAY SO, and let the facts be checked?
I’m just saying, if someone claimed I wasn’t me because I didn’t have a driver’s license, all I have to do to prove them wrong is show them my driver’s license.
The proof is in the pudding. WHY NOT SHOW IT TO US?
Seriously, it is a perfectly reasonable request, and one the rest of us have to do ALL THE TIME.
I actually resent being called a “nut” or “OCD” for asking something that is so absolutely reasonable. (Not that you did this, DJ, but some have.)
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TRS: Honestly, most of us keep a copy in our filing cabinets at home. If we’re all so “OCD,” then explain why he can’t just set us all to running home with our tails between our legs by showing us the actual birth certificate? How hard would that be?
Imagine that one day he does just that.
Do you think the people such as Victoria and the other “birthers” would say “Oh, ok, it’s all good then. Thanks!” and go on to other things?
I mean, really, do you think for a second that his doing that would convince any of them?
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TRS: It says more about his truthfulness, however, then anything else . . .
. . . or his inattentiveness in not taking notice! He should have recognized Mombassa at first glance, and could hardly have confused it with Honolulu, grass roofs notwithstanding.
Also, on this date in 1961 there was a mysterious star above Mombassa, talking animals, crowds of ecstatic mujahideen, and austere mulahs on camels.
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Actually, I HAVE my original, and the government won’t take it, because it is not embossed. It is actually the original document.
So, I had to have my mother go and get another copy with the government embossed seal on it for me to use.
Obama’s whole attitude about it is weird and “fishy” which is why the issue won’t die. It would be so easy to make this a non-issue, that it just makes the claims of the birthers seem even more likely. People can’t believe that Obama wouldn’t have just put the whole matter to rest ages ago.
Since he won’t, it gives (at the least) the appearance of a cover-up and lying.
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TRS: Explain why there are birth announcements for him in both Honolulu papers, then, published on the right day, listing him as having been born in the hospital he says he was born in.
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DJ – there is no way that the original was destroyed, the HOSPITAL still has records, which they WILL NOT give out – Your argument doesn’t make sense – high school records are kept, anyone can get a certified copy of H.S. diploma, just as they can get one of their birth certificate –
As far as your records go – there are always photo’s of H.S. graduations from other students, who would show you as a participant at graduation – there are many ways to get proof – In small towns, etc., there are lists of graduating students in the town newspaper, then there’s always the school newspaper with all the names, if that isn’t enough the year book, at least someone must have a copy of it – almost all schools give out a list of the students, etc., to those who attend H.S. graduations with every single graduating – your argument doesn’t have legs.
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I mean, really, do you think for a second that his doing that would convince any of them?
******How would you know, since he hasn’t done it?
It would have been the easiest, most natural thing in the world to do. WHY NOT DO IT?
At this point, it would help to have him produce it, but it likely wouldn’t stop all rumors, because it has been so long…long enough to do a massive cover-up.
Still, it would be satisfying to many and is better than his continual ignoring of the issue.
The question still remains: Why not show the certificate, especially at the beginning, and quash all rumors and all “movements” right away?
It is a natural thing to do if you are in the right. Prove the people wrong. Post the certificate. Get on with you life.
Are you telling me that you don’t find this just a teensy bit strange and just a teensy bit suspicious?
Heck, I’d be wondering at this point even if we were talking Lincoln or some other SOLID American citizen.
It is such an easy thing to do and such a reasonable request, that I would think everyone in the country would be wondering just why he won’t do it, and — even more — why he just didn’t do it from the beginning.
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Hospitals have records, even if there is a fire, there are fire proof vaults – don’t forget, not only the hospital but records sent to recorders office of every single birth – Hawaii wasn’t living in the dark ages during the 50’s and 60’s – lol
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Obama has played this game so long with his birth certificate and all the other documentation of his academic records, and the question is WHY?
GEE, that’s a tough one, I can’t think of even one reason -
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The hospital he was born in has CHANGED. The one he originally said he was born in, and which was originally written up in all the articles (such as Wikipedia and Snopes), changed to another when he claimed it for himself in a supposed congratulatory letter to said hospital. Now, the new hospital is on all the articles about him.
As for the newspaper articles, I’ve seen nothing about them. Do we have actual copies, or computer copies only?
Also, you can put in an announcement in a newspaper with no proof. We just had to do so for my husband’s father. They don’t ask for any proof. They just write that someone was born or died based on your say-so.
Just clear everything up by presenting the certificate!
I couldn’t bring in a birth announcement to my local DMV or to get my kids into college.
So, why should I accept that from the President?
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So simple and so reasonable:
Show us the birth certificate.
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Do you find this to be a clever use of First Amendment rights?
Clever! The metaphor is unmistakeable.
Or do you believe it crosses a line, going too far in portraying the president as the evilest of villains?
Do you mean like this?
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FactCheck.org handled Obama’s birth certificate and took photos. See this link. There really is nothing to the suspicions.
We think our colleagues at PolitiFact.com, who also dug into some of these loopy theories put it pretty well: “It is possible that Obama conspired his way to the precipice of the world’s biggest job, involving a vast network of people and government agencies over decades of lies. Anything’s possible. But step back and look at the overwhelming evidence to the contrary and your sense of what’s reasonable has to take over.”
In fact, the conspiracy would need to be even deeper than our colleagues realized. In late July, a researcher looking to dig up dirt on Obama instead found a birth announcement that had been published in the Honolulu Advertiser on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961:
(see the following picture of the announcement)
The announcement was posted by a pro-Hillary Clinton blogger who grudgingly concluded that Obama “likely” was born Aug. 4, 1961 in Honolulu.
Of course, it’s distantly possible that Obama’s grandparents may have planted the announcement just in case their grandson needed to prove his U.S. citizenship in order to run for president someday. We suggest that those who choose to go down that path should first equip themselves with a high-quality tinfoil hat. The evidence is clear: Barack Obama was born in the U.S.A.
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Yes, it is not a defense to ask whether or not they would be satisfied. Present the evidence. And quite frankly, why would anyone want someone serving who is ineligible?
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“The announcement was posted by a pro-Hillary Clinton blogger ….”
Why can’t the president do that?
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TRS: Also, you can put in an announcement in a newspaper with no proof. We just had to do so for my husband’s father. They don’t ask for any proof. They just write that someone was born or died based on your say-so.
Uhh … yeah. And who in 1961 do you imagine decided to plant two false birth announcements in the Honolulu papers because they figured one day he would need to claim native-born citizenship?
Incredible. This is one of the dopiest conspiracy theories ever.
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Why can’t the president do that?
I’m sure he could. But there’s no reason why he should, because there’s really nothing he can do that would convince you loons. He would show his real certificate and you’d just insist it’s forged.
The fact is, he’s been an active figure in American public life for decades, and has been elected to a state legislature and Congress before the presidency, and you actually think it’s even remotely possible that someone without a valid claim to citizenship could do that and not have long since been caught out.
He doesn’t have to try to prove it to a group of tinfoil hatters who are not going to believe or accept anything he offers.
TRS, I am kind of disappointed in you … I think you’re one of the smarter posters around here. How can you be taken in by this stuff?
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Michael Martin: Scroop Moth, one of our resident Leftist geniuses, did not really insult me when he suggested I might be ‘yellow’, mainly because I have NO IDEA of what he is trying to communicate in Post #38. (He says I am “restrained from saying what I am saying” – WHAT in the BLUE BLAZES is he TALKING about? – “I am not doing what I am doing.” “I am not wearing what I am wearing.” “X am not X.”)
The mind of a leftist is sort of a hoary graveyard, a charnel death house for all things logical and sensible. If Fair Lady Logic dares to enter the horrowshow mind of a leftist, she collapses instantly, curls up and dies within seconds.
Anyway, I am NOT insulted.
Well, yes I am. In a later post I see he says I used ‘pretentious and antique grammar.” That is REALLY hurtful.
What is ‘antique grammar’?
If I REALLY wanted to INSULT someone with ‘antique grammar’, I would say something like:
“Thou art an artless, base-court apple-john,
Beslubb’ring all whose gaze thou looks upon,
Thou bootless, beatle-headed, bladder bug,
Churlishly boil-brained, clapper-clawed old slug!
Thou art so common-kissing, canker-clawed,
Dissembling, dizzy-eyed and mealy-mawed!
Thy dankish, dismal-dreaming, clotpoled ways
Are more errant, in thy unmuzzled daze,
Than any foot-licked, flea-bit flap-dragon,
Or gleeking, half-faced, hedge-pigged jothead on
A paunchy, ill-bred, loutish miscreant -
Thou ever moldwarped, spleeny sycophant!
Were thou less blind in thy bummed, venomed spleen,
Thou wouldst know very well … it’s thee I mean!”
(All from Shakespeare, by the way, though somewhat muddled together, according to my source.)
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Drill (#107):
You are more gracious than Moth.
He had suggested cowardice on your part in the previous sentence and then added the simple statement: “You’re yellow.”
That seems pretty plain and it is in accord with his previous behavior, which he then confirmed with more name calling to me. In relation to me, I’ll call him on that every time.
Good Shakespeare quote, BTW!
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MICHAEL #81 — It’s stupid to speculate about what anonymous bloggers would say face-to-face, because anything can be claimed. I suppose you’re not anonymous, strictly speaking, but there are 50,000 people with your name, so you’re not much more meaningful to me than a pseudonym. The fact that we blog doesn’t mean that we wouldn’t repeat the same in person. We don’t know, and are stupid to declare one way or another. Ain’t it? But it’s beside the point. I criticized DRILL for not speaking directly in his comment, here (not in a back alley). What he meant to say is, “You have a looney tune mind (such as it is) and are a Slave of the State.” What he actually said was that I pull the curtain back a bit for a glimpse of . . . some mind. Later, DRILL talks in what ifs: “If you have the disposition of a willing slave, if you are a sort of Cultural Widget jerking obediantly to the urgings of the puppet lines that stretch like sphagetti from your television to the rusted unused machineries and gears of your brain . . .” Sci-fi again. What kind of a hypothesis is that? It ain’t a yea or a nay.
Why should you have a problem with me telling Drill he’s belly-crawling yellow to hide behind his Dickensian constructions. Everyone knows what I’m talking about.
As for you, Instead of speculating about what I’d say to your face, MICHAEL, why not start with what I’m telling you here? You were dumb to challenge me to announce my personal attack on DRILL after you wouldn’t declare your meaning to me, when asked. You were chicken not to stick with your smart-quadruped comment (yes it was dumb, but rules are rules). I don’t hide behind flowery language, like DRILL. And I don’t desert combat, like you, Airforce.
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Again, I need to see the birth announcements.
And, again, what is so hard about showing something so simple that everyone else in the entire country needs to show regularly?
Finally, Steve G, I thought you were smart enough to know that you don’t need to be a natural born citizen to hold any of the other offices that Obama has held, so it is a moot point.
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Steve G,
Why do Kenyans think he was born in Kenya? (I guess they all wear tinfoil hats.)
Why did Obama’s grandmother say she had been present at his birth in Kenya?
Why can’t someone show me a simple birth certificate?
It seems to me more likely (and quite easy) to forge birth announcements in a paper.
Anyone got the original papers? Or are these announcements on microfiche?
Something SO EASY and SO REASONABLE to do, and WE have the tinfoil hats?????
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And it isn’t just the birth certificate. There’s everything on Victoria’s list. Obama is not a king, Steve. He works for ME, and this employer wants to know what kind of employee I’ve got working for me. I should have known this before the election.
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Make It Man
I mentioned it somewhere a while back but I’m a terrible speller and there are words that no matter how many times I’ve read or seen them, especially when I am blogging, I will goof. Allude and elude are two as you point out. Armenian and Armenian. And virtually everything with double consonants. I put one when there should be two, two when there should be one, etc.
I will not bore you with others, but if you read any more of what I post, you’ll find them! Thanks for being kind in pointing these errors out.
Good news is that am finally getting a handle on “embarrass” because I think I’ve written it so often in the last few weeks in here.
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To all who read the list in #76 – I didn’t put it together it was Make it Man who posted it on another thread which I gave a link to.
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Moth (#109):
Keep it up. You are only digging your hole deeper and reducing your credibility with every name-calling post you add to this blog.
Never interrupt your enemy while he is busy destroying himself.
Go for it.
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Michael Martin: Let up on poor Scroop Moth, really. He is feeling a bit over-whelmed these days, all flibber-jibbety and nervous-like, spastic as a tomcat with a mousetrap swinging on his tail.
Why he’s jumpy and atremble and fluttery as can be, anxiously popping up into sight here and there time-to-time, bobbing his head about in dread and confusion, wringing his sweaty hands and wiping his feverish brow, all boggle-eyed and splayed, gasping in terror and apprehension at the slightest little-bittyest sound . . .
And he just isn’t FULLY responsible for everything he says, given his distressed and poor and apparently rapidly degenerating state of mind.
His Dear Leader (The Phlegmatic One, you know) has hit a rough patch, and it has unhinged the poor lad a bit.
Scroop Moth had bet all his chips on this particular turkey named Obama, you see. And now, all of a sudden, the feathers, in a great swirling stinking cluid, are all coming off this measly, skinny, knob-kneed and squawking bird.
And you know there ain’t nothing so ugly as a naked turkey, especially one that is phlegmatically comical.
And so Scroop Moth just isn’t handling it all that well.
He’s sulking, now, sure. But he’ll get over it.
Why describe a partial birth abortion to him and he’s liable to perk right up and positively exude a renewed sense of purpose and enthusiasm; he’ll be on the sunny side of life in no time flat.
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MICHAEL MARTIN — You’ve failed to answer a single one of my accusations about your conduct. That’s irresponsible. You have no account for yourself. Your smarmy name calling gives you no standing to accuse anyone of name calling. The hypocrisy of your discourse reeks.
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And he just isn’t FULLY responsible for everything he says, given his distressed and poor and apparently rapidly degenerating state of mind.
You are such a coward, DRILL. I don’t like you and your pathetic 3rd person attacks. Your habit of referring to yourself in the third person is repulsive. And your obsession with mind control is around the bend. You’re precariously close to 1st person plural.
You do what you are told to do.
You think what you are told to think.
You hate whom you are told to hate.
You go where you are told to go.
You are utterly predictable in all your views.
If I need to know exactly what you think about any given issue, I need do no more than find and turn on a television.
The TV? What’s that about? It tells you exactly what I think? You’re quite a nutburger, dude.
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Exactly.
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Scroop Moth,
Is everything all right? While I’ve never agreed with you on just about anything, I’ve also never known you to become quite so unhinged before.
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TRS: Why do Kenyans think he was born in Kenya? (I guess they all wear tinfoil hats.)
Which Kenyans think this?
Why did Obama’s grandmother say she had been present at his birth in Kenya?
She didn’t.
This is the birther “evidence” that she did (from the link above):
Why can’t someone show me a simple birth certificate?
It has been shown. You just refuse to believe it. And if he showed you another copy, you’d refuse to believe that. So why should he waste his time trying to squelch a weird conspiracy theory when he knows it’s futile to even try?
It seems to me more likely (and quite easy) to forge birth announcements in a paper.
With a time machine? Obama’s family has a TARDIS?
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Scroop Moth: Oh, shoot. You don’t LIKE me? Man, you cut me to the quick. I am crushed. Tears well up in the deep still limpid pools of my eyes. My heart (though two sizes too small) throbs with remorse and indignation. I’ll never smile again. The world turns gray to me, colorless, like looking through a rain-slicked window on a drab and misty rainy day.
The boy with the disposition of a willing slave calls me a coward because I dare to call him out on his complete and utter lack of independent thought, point out his disgusting slobbering and snuffling after the brutalities and vagaries of a decaying culture? Man I get TIRED of dealing with dullards and nincompoops and the various unhinged morons of the Left. It’s like playing Whack-a-Mole, and not even that interesting, because the moles are so stupid and slow.
But Scroop Moth, old boy, you surely got me on the ‘nutburger’ insult. I am flummoxed, discombobulated, destrapped and unplussed. My software does not handle or recognize ‘nutburger’.
And old Drill did not know that his use of the third person in discourse caused Scroop Moth such extreme emotional distress and intestinal discomfort.
That is a good thing for old Drill to know. The knowledge of it will enable Drill, possibly, to have even MORE fun with the current witless and mentally unbalanced subject of Drill’s ongoing experiments.
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TRS: Finally, Steve G, I thought you were smart enough to know that you don’t need to be a natural born citizen to hold any of the other offices that Obama has held, so it is a moot point.
No it isn’t. Because even though native-born status isn’t required for those lower offices, close involvement with and vetting by a major political party is. If he were not a native-born citizen, it would not have prevented him being elected to the Senate, but it would also not be unknown. Citizenship status is a part of even the most routine background check.
For the birther conspiracy to be correct, you have to believe either that he got all the way to the White House without the Democratic Party ever knowing he wasn’t eligible, or that there was a vast conspiracy within the party, and extending to people in Hawaii hospitals and newspapers, and Chicago and Illinois state political bodies, to cover it up, fully aware they’ll be convicted of felonies if they’re ever caught.
Neither one of those scenarios is at all credible.
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TRS:
Here is a very good article validating the birth certificate and the birth announcements.
a href=”http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php”>Here is some more information about the birth announcements.
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Moth (#117):
Take another look at the picture atop this thread. It is a cartoon representation of your boss. I think it accurately reflects the nature of the man you seem to worship. Post #31 (by Drill) gives a brief but good verbal description that verifies the pictorial representation.
Obama sat for 20 years under the tutelage of the virulent racist Jeremiah Wright. Wright advocated the views of James Cone the black liberation advocate who calls for the destruction of white America. Then there is Wright’s approval of and association with Farrakhan and his Black Muslims. All of this is pure evil, even exceeding that of the “Joker” faced cartoon character. Obama soaked all this in with nary a complaint, but in fact called Wright his beloved mentor. When publicly confronted with this Obama repeatedly lied about his association with Wright and his views. Finally, out of political expediency, Obama reluctantly disassociated himself with Wright and his racist church. There is so much evil and deceit mixed in this whole affair that it probably deserves a whole book to fully describe it all.
Then there is all of Obama’s Marxist leanings in his college years and his associations with the terrorist Bill Ayers. He is a Marxist (Communist) at heart and his socialist politics confirms this, especially since he has taken office. His economic policies with the stimulus bill and now the socialized medicine bill are Marxist to the core. He has also instituted a “Czar” system wherein he appoints a large number of overseers within the government that are not subject to Congressional approval. Thus, under the radar, he has created a network of like-minded operatives with tremendous regulatory power within our government. One of his latest appointments (the 27th) is his “Green Jobs Czar”, an admitted radical Communist by the name of Van Jones, who also has a racist history of black nationalism. All of this is a reflection of Obama’s own deceitful mind-set.
Yet, you describe the formative time of Obama’s Marxist college years, as merely a time of thoughtful self-examination. That characterization is nothing but another deceitful lie to cover up what he and you are trying to hide. You, by your own admission, are a leftist of his stripe, with a history of 60’s radicalism. So, naturally you will go along with his deception and add to it here on this blog.
Whenever you are called on this, you quickly resort to name calling and diversionary tactics of accusing others of your own demonstrated brand of deceit and cowardice. You will not address the core of these issues because you know that you cannot defend Obama on these counts.
Simply put, Obama is a racist black nationalist and a Marxist at the core of his being and you are one of his willing accomplices, both in his politics and deceitful tactics.
The picture at the start of this thread fits both Obama and you—evil and deceit personified.
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The picture at the start of this thread fits both Obama and you—evil and deceit personified.
I could name some who seem to better fit that description, but it would probably result in a ‘Report comment to moderator’ complaint, so I’ll save myself the trouble, and just point out that fact.
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If you said Obama was a communist who operated through commissars I might have believed you, but everyone knows communists kill czars.
Besides your idea that Obama is a communist, your post is fixated on the bizarre claim that Obama is a racist. I’m going to take a pass on these debating points for now. I’m sure you will cite this as proof that I’m guilty of the same thing I accuse you of — avoidance and desertion — but it’s time to cut my losses. The truth is, this thread is about to run off the front page, and if I expend further effort to talk to you, I’d like a reader besides you, me, and one or two other dead-enders.
You say I “will not address the core of these issues.” That’s attacking from your weakness, Airforce! Not now, but I have participated in many lengthy threads about Jeremiah Wright, James Cone, Wm. Ayers, etc. Frankly, you raise nothing new. But even if you gave us something to talk about, I should think one must respond to pending business, no?
Also I don’t know how to deal with your bizarre perception that I am “evil and deceit personified.” Look at it from my side: I have to consider whether you are stupid or insane or both. Does this mean that our conversation would really be about whether Obama is the Antichrist? Me the Antichrist?
I’m afraid I’ll have to confine myself to jes da faks, ma’am. So, please offer just one Obama quotation (without elisions!) that you say makes him a liar, state the truth, and explain why the discrepancy amounts to deception. If you can do that, I’ll admit that you are God’s prophet.
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Moth (#128):
In regard to the Wright affair, Obama devotees such as yourself are like co-conspirators. When it suits your partisan purpose, you take the technicalities and standards of proof that are designed only for the courtroom and disingenuously apply them to your idol in the public arena. To prove that Obama is a liar, the equivalent of side-by-side contradictory quotes must be offered, no elisions are allowed, etc. Blah, blah, blah. What a farce! Who the heck are you to define the standards? You are an Obama apologist, that’s who, and you will accept nothing that points to his guilt.
I have no interest in proving to you that I am some kind of prophet. To be frank, I couldn’t care less about proving anything to you, Moth, because you are no more interested in the truth than a Mafia lawyer. His only interest, like yours, is in protecting his client from the consequences of his crimes, by whatever means are available.
My interest is in exposing Obama for the blatant liar and deceitful politician that he is. He sat approvingly for 20 years under the tutelage of one of the most vicious anti-American and racist personalities in today’s public arena, Jeremiah Wright. When this came to light during his campaign, he at first denied knowledge of Wright’s views. When that didn’t work, he denied being in church on the day of the “G** D*** America” sermon. However, that sermon was only one of many anti-American and racist rants that Wright preached over the years, each one to a chorus of “Amen’s” from his enthralled congregation. Obama could not possibly have attended that church for twenty years and been as close to Wright as he previously claimed, and also be ignorant of where he stood. Yet that is the falsehood that Obama would have us believe. For all that time, the church also openly advertised its devotion to James Cone’s Black Liberation Theology, which is about as anti-American and racist as one can get. The only reasonable conclusion is that Obama knew and approved of Wright’s views for twenty years and that his subsequent denials are nothing but blatant lies.
You can hide behind a demand for direct, contradictory quotes with no elisions, but that doesn’t cut the mustard for anyone with an ounce of objective discernment and common sense. Obama is a liar. You know it too, and for you to pretend otherwise makes you as much of a liar and deceiver as he is.
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Scroop, old buddy:
Do you STILL not like me?
Man this is TERRIBLE.
And me rather FOND of you.
Sigh.
Unrequited affection.
The sad and tragic story of my whole life.
I really cannot IMAGINE what went wrong – was it something I SAID?
You seem so . . . distant.
Hey, old buddy.
I have an idea, a great idea.
Let’s each take a break from the old grind, you know, relieve some stress, do something RELAXING, recreational, whatever that might be, something SOOTHING, suited to our own individual tastes, calming, something that accords with our persona, our inner beliefs, our karma, the inner urgings of our individual souls.
Yeah.
Why, then I maybe could go shoot me a coyote.
You, on the other hand, maybe might volunteer at a local abortion clinic; cleanup detail you know.
Then we’ll BOTH come back all rested and peaceful and ready to go, and put all this stuff behind us, by golly.
A fresh start. For us. Not for the coyote, or the kids, of course. But whose caring for THEM, anyhow?
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