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		<title>By: Scroop Moth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scroop Moth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 01:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KWATSON -  That train has left the station. It is a political killing, and we get to express condolances.  So the best thing we can do is join together and say, &quot;We&#039;re sorry for your loss.  He, and you, don&#039;t deserve to be shot for presenting bloody pictures of killed fetuses.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KWATSON &#8211;  That train has left the station. It is a political killing, and we get to express condolances.  So the best thing we can do is join together and say, &#8220;We&#8217;re sorry for your loss.  He, and you, don&#8217;t deserve to be shot for presenting bloody pictures of killed fetuses.&#8221;
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		<title>By: roger patno</title>
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		<dc:creator>roger patno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 23:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But Kwatson, the other side does have domestic terrorists.  Most of them earn very good money killing unborn children.
Blessings
Roger</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Kwatson, the other side does have domestic terrorists.  Most of them earn very good money killing unborn children.<br />
Blessings<br />
Roger
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		<title>By: kwatson</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 22:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I find truly disturbing is how the right desperately wants this to be a political killing. Their desire to portray themselves as victims has them ghoulishly crossing their fingers hoping and praying that this was an assassination. Conservatives are chomping at the bit to be able to proclaim the other side has domestic terrorists too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I find truly disturbing is how the right desperately wants this to be a political killing. Their desire to portray themselves as victims has them ghoulishly crossing their fingers hoping and praying that this was an assassination. Conservatives are chomping at the bit to be able to proclaim the other side has domestic terrorists too!
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		<title>By: Scroop Moth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scroop Moth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 21:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DailyKos:

While all murders are gruesome, tragic affairs, shooting a demonstrator on, of all days, the anniversary of 9-11 is especially painful for a nation that cherishes life and liberty . . . The victim, a retired autoworker named James Pouillon, was executed for lawfully exercising his Constitutional Right of Free Speech. He was killed for holding a sign of protest, the chilling implication is clear: wave the &#039;wrong&#039; sign or say the &#039;wrong&#039; thing, and you might be next. That&#039;s terrorism, pure and simple, and this man&#039;s grieving family and friends are every bit as deserving of our nation&#039;s sympathy and condolences as the victims of Oklahoma City or the 911 attacks.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DailyKos:</p>
<p>While all murders are gruesome, tragic affairs, shooting a demonstrator on, of all days, the anniversary of 9-11 is especially painful for a nation that cherishes life and liberty . . . The victim, a retired autoworker named James Pouillon, was executed for lawfully exercising his Constitutional Right of Free Speech. He was killed for holding a sign of protest, the chilling implication is clear: wave the &#8216;wrong&#8217; sign or say the &#8216;wrong&#8217; thing, and you might be next. That&#8217;s terrorism, pure and simple, and this man&#8217;s grieving family and friends are every bit as deserving of our nation&#8217;s sympathy and condolences as the victims of Oklahoma City or the 911 attacks.</p>
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		<title>By: Harris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 18:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This in, Sunday afternoon:

STATEMENT FROM PRESIDENT OBAMA ON THE SHOOTING OF JAMES POUILLON

 

&quot;The shooting last week in Michigan was deplorable. Whichever side of a public debate you&#039;re on, violence is never the right answer.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This in, Sunday afternoon:</p>
<p>STATEMENT FROM PRESIDENT OBAMA ON THE SHOOTING OF JAMES POUILLON</p>
<p>&#8220;The shooting last week in Michigan was deplorable. Whichever side of a public debate you&#8217;re on, violence is never the right answer.&#8221;
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		<title>By: Kyle A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 00:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arcadia, they are just pictures.  If people are appalled by the pictures, then they should be appalled by the reality.

Please tell us why it is a hateful right wing bigot when a pro-life person is killed, but &quot;just another man with a gun&quot; when a pro-abortion is killed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arcadia, they are just pictures.  If people are appalled by the pictures, then they should be appalled by the reality.</p>
<p>Please tell us why it is a hateful right wing bigot when a pro-life person is killed, but &#8220;just another man with a gun&#8221; when a pro-abortion is killed.
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		<title>By: Harris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 17:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beth -- that is a very, very cool story. Thanks! it really goes far to explain your first comment, and why you might have read an initial skepticism in my post (and honestly, there was).

And speaking of perspective, I&#039;ve been reading the situation in coaching in a high school: what would it be like to have such a figure as Mr Pouillion out front day by day?  

This act of &quot;witness&quot; seems different, perhaps less engaging than the witness you were doing at the university.  The witness in front of the school seems part of a more complicated argument, along the lines of &quot;public schools teach choice&quot; or &quot;pro-abortion politicians support public schools, so public schools support abortion (and should be witnessed to)&quot; or maybe even, &quot;teacher unions support abortion, and so public schools must support or permit abortion&quot;  Like I say, a complicated argument, because it is not clear that the local school, Owosso HS, was the object of his concern.  But honestly?  This is a sort of hypothesis on my side -- there&#039;s a lot that is unknown.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beth &#8212; that is a very, very cool story. Thanks! it really goes far to explain your first comment, and why you might have read an initial skepticism in my post (and honestly, there was).</p>
<p>And speaking of perspective, I&#8217;ve been reading the situation in coaching in a high school: what would it be like to have such a figure as Mr Pouillion out front day by day?  </p>
<p>This act of &#8220;witness&#8221; seems different, perhaps less engaging than the witness you were doing at the university.  The witness in front of the school seems part of a more complicated argument, along the lines of &#8220;public schools teach choice&#8221; or &#8220;pro-abortion politicians support public schools, so public schools support abortion (and should be witnessed to)&#8221; or maybe even, &#8220;teacher unions support abortion, and so public schools must support or permit abortion&#8221;  Like I say, a complicated argument, because it is not clear that the local school, Owosso HS, was the object of his concern.  But honestly?  This is a sort of hypothesis on my side &#8212; there&#8217;s a lot that is unknown.
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		<title>By: beth</title>
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		<dc:creator>beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 16:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harris,
I helped out at a Genocide Awareness Project (GAP -abortionno.org) at the local university this spring.  There was a ring of large posters with images of abortion as well as developing babies at 10-12 weeks post-conception.  

A young woman came up and spent a number of minutes staring at the images and the captions.  I engaged her in conversation and found out that she was 9 weeks pregnant and considering an abortion, since she didn&#039;t know how she could be a single mother.  I introduced her to a young woman volunteer who was a single mother.  They talked for a long time, the volunteer gave her her phone number, offered to pass down baby clothes and connected her with local resources.

I heard that she came back the next day and said she would keep the baby.  Praise God!

I don&#039;t think that she would have realized her baby&#039;s humanity - or the real horror of abortion - without those pictures.

By the way, during most of the long conversation, there were pro-abortion protestors circling our exhibit, yelling and swearing at us. Thankfully, GAP plans well and had an outer ring of steel bike racks around the exhibit that we stayed behind for the most part.  It prevents violence against the volunteers and the exhibit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harris,<br />
I helped out at a Genocide Awareness Project (GAP -abortionno.org) at the local university this spring.  There was a ring of large posters with images of abortion as well as developing babies at 10-12 weeks post-conception.  </p>
<p>A young woman came up and spent a number of minutes staring at the images and the captions.  I engaged her in conversation and found out that she was 9 weeks pregnant and considering an abortion, since she didn&#8217;t know how she could be a single mother.  I introduced her to a young woman volunteer who was a single mother.  They talked for a long time, the volunteer gave her her phone number, offered to pass down baby clothes and connected her with local resources.</p>
<p>I heard that she came back the next day and said she would keep the baby.  Praise God!</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that she would have realized her baby&#8217;s humanity &#8211; or the real horror of abortion &#8211; without those pictures.</p>
<p>By the way, during most of the long conversation, there were pro-abortion protestors circling our exhibit, yelling and swearing at us. Thankfully, GAP plans well and had an outer ring of steel bike racks around the exhibit that we stayed behind for the most part.  It prevents violence against the volunteers and the exhibit.
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		<title>By: Harris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 15:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#17 Why is educating high school students about abortion eccentric? 

There&#039;s a sensibility in what you wrote: this is the age in which young women begin to take responsibility for their bodies and their decisions.  The question of abortion is a live one.  So if you want to educate, to guide women, is a large graphic display on the edge of the school property the way to do that?  That is, will it affect the women who in fact find themselves wrestling with the consequences of their sexual activity?

That is, can you scare or gross them out enough to prevent an abortion?  The concern on my side -- why it is eccentric -- is that it may serve to harden hearts as much as open them.  Certainly Right to Life has been taking a different, softer approach to reach young women (and one that is more effective, I believe).

(Statistically, in 2008 Shiawasee county recorded 101 abortions, with an estimated 19 being under age 19, a rate of approx 0.22 percent, half the rate of next door Genesse county, home of Flint. Owosso HS has about 520 women: statistically, one got an abortion.  Numbers like this are what makes this overt demonstration so &quot;eccentric.&quot;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#17 Why is educating high school students about abortion eccentric? </p>
<p>There&#8217;s a sensibility in what you wrote: this is the age in which young women begin to take responsibility for their bodies and their decisions.  The question of abortion is a live one.  So if you want to educate, to guide women, is a large graphic display on the edge of the school property the way to do that?  That is, will it affect the women who in fact find themselves wrestling with the consequences of their sexual activity?</p>
<p>That is, can you scare or gross them out enough to prevent an abortion?  The concern on my side &#8212; why it is eccentric &#8212; is that it may serve to harden hearts as much as open them.  Certainly Right to Life has been taking a different, softer approach to reach young women (and one that is more effective, I believe).</p>
<p>(Statistically, in 2008 Shiawasee county recorded 101 abortions, with an estimated 19 being under age 19, a rate of approx 0.22 percent, half the rate of next door Genesse county, home of Flint. Owosso HS has about 520 women: statistically, one got an abortion.  Numbers like this are what makes this overt demonstration so &#8220;eccentric.&#8221;)
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		<title>By: arcadia</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 14:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds to me like just another guy with a gun. Maybe, just maybe, one who was upset by being unwillingly exposed to &lt;b&gt;graphic images&lt;/b&gt;, day in and day out. 

As are millions of Christians. Who don&#039;t even want &lt;b&gt;graphic images&lt;/b&gt; in their own homes. 

Of course, if your chief icon is a dead man hanging from a cross, you might be just a bit de-sensitized...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds to me like just another guy with a gun. Maybe, just maybe, one who was upset by being unwillingly exposed to <b>graphic images</b>, day in and day out. </p>
<p>As are millions of Christians. Who don&#8217;t even want <b>graphic images</b> in their own homes. </p>
<p>Of course, if your chief icon is a dead man hanging from a cross, you might be just a bit de-sensitized&#8230;
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