Celebrity pastor worship
Anyone aware of the alarming state of American evangelicalism’s celebrity-driven church culture would not have to try hard to draw parallels with the church in Corinth. The “big name” pastors, as we sometimes call them, thanks to the Christian conference circuit, book publishing, the internet, and so on, tempt many evangelicals to cannibalize each other in the spirit of following “Paul” or “Apollos.” In today’s terms, these could be men like John Piper, Tim Keller, Mark Dever, C.J. Mahaney, Mark Driscoll, Rob Bell, R.C. Sproul, Tony Evans, or whomever people would rather download and listen to instead of their own pastor.
The problem is not the wonderful ways God uses these men. The problem is with us, the people holding these great preachers and teachers of our time too highly and using them to attack other Christians who might not believe whatever we consider to be the “right” interpretation of what “the gospel” says the church should be doing in the world. I go through seasons of falling into this myself. It’s embarrassing but I do it.
Quarrels, dissension, and divisions are plastered all over the internet as Jesus followers poke passive insults at each other in the name of whatever peripheral minutiae we determine as “getting the gospel right.” For example, not being Reformed enough, or not “traditional” enough, or too traditional, or too literal, or too involved in social issues, or not evangelistic enough, and so on. Paul challenges the Corinthian church saying:
“You are still worldly. For since there is jealousy and quarreling among you, are you not worldly? Are you not acting like mere men? For when one says, ‘I follow Paul,’ and another, ‘I follow Apollos,’ are you not mere men? What, after all, is Apollos? And what is Paul? Only servants, through whom you came to believe—as the Lord has assigned to each his task. I planted the seed, Apollos watered it, but God made it grow. (1 Corinthians 3:3-6)
Matthew Henry wrote wise words about this passage:
“Contentions and quarrels about religion are sad evidences of carnality [worldliness]. . . . Many professors, and preachers also, show themselves to be yet carnal, by vain-glorious strife, eagerness for dispute, and readiness to despise and speak evil of others.”
Here’s the rub: Contentions and quarrels can make you famous among evangelicals. Evangelicals love strife. Marketing for Christian publishing, the speaker circuit, and the like, all feed into this pathetic trend. If you’re a Paul or an Apollos you can easily get a book contract and draw large speaking fees, even if you’re a dissension starter. If a preacher does not have a following like an Apollos, he will get no book contract and he will not be invited to speak at conferences. Have you noticed the various Apollos sections of the Christian bookstore? It’s no wonder that many young preachers are busy trying to be like a famous Apollos instead finding contentment with their own gift-mixes.
I’ve actually seen an evangelical Pauls and Apolloses speak together at the same conference about “the gospel” and then read blogs where their “followers” attack “followers” of the other guys. Again, it is not that admiration, respect, nor celebrating the gifts of any of today’s great teachers is necessarily a problem. The problem is neither books nor conferences. The cancer in the church is the disunity created with “fans” of certain preachers create dissension over minutiae that we reinterpret as “the gospel.” Maybe, then, it’s not a good sign when large crowds gather to hear their favorite preachers speak together.
A short column like this is clearly insufficient to cover this topic, which is worthy of much discussion in book form at least. I’m not sure, however, who would be brave enough to write it and which publisher would be bold enough to publish it. However, I can’t imagine that Jesus is smiling on a church in tension because of trifling Paul and Apollos followers. Something needs to be said soon. While Christians are busy fighting over which preacher is “right,” evil in the world roams free without opposition.














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This is a good, timely word. Our infighting clearly reveals the need for the Gospel to work in us. When I do not love, on a functional level I do not believe the Gospel. This is a good call for repentance, and it needs to start with me. Thanks.
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I don’t think I’ve ever heard any of those men speak, though I recognize some of their names from the magazines I read. So, I’m not familiar with the dissension.
I do work in Christian publishing and I agree, unfortunately, that a name, any name, is more likely to get a book contract than quality writing.
And it often makes me feel sick inside.
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It is difficult to maintain a God-pleasing mix of communicating and applying the love of Christ, and, proclaiming the truth of His word faithfully. We dare never add to or detract from God’s Word. Yet, our Savior enjoins us to speak that truth in love and to make a defense with gentleness and respect.
How easily the swelling balloon of cognitive pride can pressure and crush that which Christ would have never snuffed or broken.
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The one’s I feel most sorry for are the poor saps who get tapped to take the pastorate after the Big Man retires. In Dallas, after Wally Amos Criswell retired his successor was never truly permitted to take charge. Criswell shoulda been made to switch to a different congregation
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Within the same exhortation to the Corinthians, Paul also mentions
“Now in giving these instructions I do not praise you, since you come together not for the better but for the worse. For first of all, when you come together as a church, I hear that there are divisions among you, and in part I believe it. For there must also be factions among you, that those who are approved may be recognized among you.”
I would surmise that “divisions” enable folks to see the reality of character of who ought to be recognized among us. This side of eternity I suppose the Paul/Apollos contentions and carnality shall ne’er abate fully. We intend evil with it, hurling epithets at those who do not see eye to eye with us, but God intends it for good.
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Michelle,
I’ve read most, heard of all, edited one (multiple books for Tony Evans). I’m fairly sure none of these men would feel any sense of competition with any of the others.
But yes, in book publishing it’s true–again and again I’ve told a really good writer that unless a person is also a well-known speaker there’s almost no chance these days of publishing a book. It seems to me that writing and speaking are separate gifts that may or may not both come together in the same person, but a speaker who can’t write at all is far more likely to be published than is an excellent writer who doesn’t have a speaking platform. Having a speaking platform means you’re “famous,” and fame is more important than good writing skills or a meaningful message. And that to me is very sad.
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Sawgunner, there’s something to be said for a congregation having the stability of a long-time pastor, though. I have a pastor friend who asserts that the first pastor after a long-time popular pastor has approximately zero chance of “success” and should simply accept that, and know that he’s paving the way for possible success of the pastor after him. I asked should the first pastor be an interim rather than a full-time “permanent” pastor then, and he said that would probably be wise.
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I have just enough exposure to some of these men to expect that they would be apalled at this situation, as were Paul, Apollos, and Anthony Bradley. This problem says more about us than it does them.
A pastor who reaches this “celebrity” position had better be well supplied with humility. I can’t speak of Criswell, but I am aware that C J Mahaney spent a number of years transitioning himself out of the pastorate at Covenant Life Church, so that there was little disruption. A real, functioning plurality of pastors is probably the greatest preventative within a church. And a serious committment to a local church is probably the best antidote for the rest of us.
CJ’s “successor” at Covenant Life, Josh Harris (known for “I Kissed Dating Goodbye”), has a book “Stop Dating the Church” that may not address this issue directly, but no doubt deals with the root cause.
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Cheryl D, one recommendation a chaplain told me is the new pastor should always turn to the previous, now-retired pastor and at the close of the service “Brother Jones, do you have anything to add? Then would you dismiss us all in prayer?”
That’s what I really like about army change of command ceremonies. You have the ritual. The outgoing passes the unit guidon to the command sergeant major. Then the CSM passes it directly to the new top guy or gal. The outgoing man gives a brief talk, the incoming man gives a brief talk and then EVERYONE is clear: the old guy is gone and there’s a new sheriff in town.
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There is indeed something to be said for long term pastors. Also there is a need in many bodies to replace a long term pastor. I have noticed that a succesful long term pastors will surround themselves with men and women who can fill in his weak spots. He knows his limitations and has no fear of seeking help. Such a pastor will foster visions for the church members and for the community. I have also noted pastors who will apatheticaly allow the church to run itself into the ground, because he refuses to understand the needs of his congregation or those of the community. I asked a pastor of the second kind, whose congregation has shrunk to 15/20 Sunday worshippers, and continually says “Invite someone to church.”, what his vision for the church was. His answer, after some time to think about it was; “To get people saved.” A wonderful vision, I said,and asked him what his plans were to achieve the goal? He had no idea and has never listened to or tried any suggestion on how he might try to minister to a quickly changing demographic. I suspect that he has become depressed to the point of no longer caring, and cannot bring himself to try.
How sad for him and the church,. I pray that God’s willbe done in that situation.
Blessings
Roger
How sad, both for him and the church.
Blessings
Roger
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Intriguing post. Certainly, we all have our favorites, and I’m sure it can be a temptation to just take our guy’s word on everything.
Yet Mr. Bradley lost me on the business of these uber-preachers’ devoted followers actually going to war with each other as devoted followers. I’m not aware of having participated in such an argument, nor of witnessing one, although maybe such was going on right in front of me and I didn’t see it for what it was.
It seems like to have a proper Paul v. Apollos smackdown, you need people willing to appeal to their fave as the ultimate authority, a la, “Well, Apollos [or Driscoll, or Keller] says it, so you should fall on your sword now.” Maybe this goes on elsewhere, but at the blogs I frequent, that wouldn’t pass for an argument, it would be flattened as a bare assertion.
Am I misunderstanding the post? Perhaps there will be a part two where this gets elaborated some more?
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I’ve heard many of the men mentioned in the post speak, they are excellent. I certainly don’t get the sense they’ve encouraged any sort of a “follow me” mentality, though some “fans,” as was pointed out, do of course take that too far. I guess I wasn’t aware of dissension that was widespread and was based on the personas of these men.
There will always be doctrinal issues to hash out, and those disagreements can be a good thing, showing that we are still willing to battle for the truth. But it must be done in gentleness and humility, not breaking fellowship with other Christians see things differently. That there will be some leading people within the church who can articulate some of these issues effectively is probably unavoidable. But it is Scripture that is our only infallible authority.
Cheryl, that’s so interesting about the speaker-writer connection, I hadn’t thought about it but I can see that’s true in our electronic media day and age. Those who become known as speakers then write books — those who don’t speak (and become popular and well-known) but who think and write well might not ever land on the “best selling” or “famous” shelves of the local Christian bookstore. That shouldn’t be the case.
But I’ve become disillusioned with our chain Christian bookstores over the years. We used to have an excellent store in the L.A. area that refused to stock volumes they considered unsound (benny hinn, etc.). Not many of the tacky “Christian” trinkets in that store, either. But they did carry books written by the Puritans and other excellent, more recent writers who never had their own radio or TV “ministry.”
Several of the clerks at that store were seminary students and were great resources when you were ponding exactly which commentary or book on prayer to buy. Sadly, they went out of business several years ago. I really miss it, I used to love making trips there a few times a year.
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I’m with RR, I’m really not aware of any sort of unbiblical “following” or dissension surrounding most of those mentioned (the one’s I’m familiar with, at any rate). Perhaps I’ve just missed it as well.
I will say personally that attending several Ligonier conferences through the years has done much to strengthen, inform and grow my faith. Most of them write pretty good books, too.
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I’m going to recommend this article to my father – It just may be that his church is going through this. I may be wrong, but I want him to read it.
I also recognize myself as being guilty of a bit of pastor worship in years past. And I need to take it to heart again.
Excellent thoughts Mr. Bradley.
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Shocked! I am shocked to find nonsense in this Pascal casino.
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It isn’t the celebrity preachers that are the problem. It is the Church being caught up in the spirit of the times – the incivility that marks our public discourse. Pulling these good men into the argument is just a symptom. You will see the same thing in preaching that denigrates other denominations or movements over some finer point of doctrine. They don’t need to mention a person, they’ll just say something like “the fundamentalists this” or “the pentecostalists that.” Something has gone horribly wrong with “They’ll know we are Christians by our love”! (John 13:35)
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Of course you are Random. But that is fine for we expect nothing better from you. By the way God loves you and gave His only begotten Son that you might live.
Blessings
Roger
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Thank you, Roger.
What part of the word “myth” do you not understand?
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Also, Roger, what is you purpose of reading and posting on worldmagblog?
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“your purpose.”
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Whats yours purpose of reading and posting on worldmagblog, Random?
“your purpose”
Just wondering…
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Funny, back in June I wrote a post entitled: Should “Celebrity” Pastors Offer Disclaimers.
Not only can one get drawn in, but an unhealthy view of ministry could develop. Most pastors are not on any type of preaching/conference circuit (for lack of a better term). It would not be too hard for younger and so to be pastors to emulate these ‘celebrity’ pastors and expecting the same type of ministry. It is just not the norm.
Can an exact parallel be drawn from 1 Corinthians 3 today? Maybe not exactly, but close! I’ve seen bloggers argue for certain pastors regardless of what biblical critique may have been laid out. It is really an odd scene.
At the Advance09 Conference John Piper mentioned something about his own shortcomings. He explained how he is a sinner and does not want to be on a pedestal. Piper said to just ask his wife. The most telling was that he admitted that he was not good with one on one evangelism.
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“…evil in the world roams free without opposition.”
(Anthony)
Has anyone got this evil corked in a bottle yet?
Is it roaming in the fast food restaurants?
On the highways?
What will end your potential frustration?
Is God intent on ending it all this afternoon?
Apparently not.
BUT..
“For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine. And I will punish the world for [their] evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.” (Isa 13:10-11)
Until then, the non-static pilgrimage with it’s discoveries, education, growth, warfare, etc. will continue.
AND may we hear someday, “Well done”.
“Go forward!”
“And the LORD said unto Moses, Wherefore criest thou unto me? speak unto the children of Israel, that they go forward:” (Ex 14:15)
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I see the conferences more as good and (in these days) needed teaching opportunities, especially in an age when the evangelical church in the west has become so weak — a mile wide but only an inch deep, as they say.
Speaking for myself, it’s refreshing to hear theology taken seriously again. I was so hungry for meat, for something more substantial and challenging than the usual seeker-friendly, upbeat, 10-minute “messages” (heavy on entertainment and turn-down-the-lights emotion) that had (has) become such standard fare in so many of our U.S. evangelical churches.
The caution over “celebrity” pastors (especially in our culture) is an important one. Both those pastors who gain a national spotlight through speaking, radio, books or whatever — and those who go to hear them and read their books — need to always be aware of our all-too-human tendency to elevate mere mortals. We must always be on guard.
But that said, I have benefited greatly from the few Ligonier conferences that I’ve attended over the years. In time, the teaching I received through those venues helped guide me into a denomination that has satisfied my hunger on Sunday mornings ever since.
I remember being aware of the “celebrity” pitfalls early on — many of the speakers are simply a joy to listen to, after all. It is easy to fall into a “follower” mode, I’ll admit, and that can be treacherous. But I think most of these men and those who come to hear them are mature Christians and aware of such dangers. Still, reminders are always good.
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It is an interesting post and I appreciate your thoughts, Anthony.
Some of the very books we have in the NT came right out of rather tough (not fun) arguments and debates in the early church–ecclesiological, theological, moral and practical arguments and more. There are personal attacks (see Galatians), names are named (Diotraphes, sp? in 2nd or 3rd John), and frank debating points all over Scripture itself. There were trouble-makers teaching in the name of Christ and faith all over the First Centruy landscape and the strife impacted the church severely. But they dealt with it! They debated Gnostic theories and hashed out doctrine with great passion, often drawing lines on where to part fellowship. All that is biblical.
I guess I have a higher tolerance for good healthy debate. Even some lousy or overly passionate debate can do good as we learn from each other. I think my concern is more over the trend that we see now for demonizing enthusiastic debate. I think a good argument, conducted in love for both the truth and for the people in the debate, is good for the church. I think there is too much “feel good” and “”why can’t we all get along” complaining and not enough tough reasoning.
I realize that debates can get inexcusably harsh or even harmful, but who’s fault is that? I see a lot of good honest debate being excessively demonized these days. I say, hash it out in love and learn from each other. And don’t confuse a good healthy debate with “evangelicals cannibalizing each other.”
It’s good to discuss and debate the “right” interpretation of what “the gospel” says the church should be doing in the world. Good discussions about what it means to be Reformed, Restorationist, traditional, literal, or evangelistic can be quite healthy. Let’s have them, with love, reason and passion.
But be careful of making tests of faith out of our debates. After all, we are not “apostles.” Find room for disagreement without division (which is consistent with what Anthony is say, I realize). But don’t dispense with healthy debate!
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The early 19th century and the early 20th centuries in particular saw an astounding amount of debates among big name Christian teachers, preachers, pamphlet writers and all their followers. It did get ugly and that’s too bad. But it was not all bad at all.
Wisdom must be applied, and so must love. But today, I think we are too prone to run from good healthy debates often in the false name of compassion, kindness and avoiding strife. People scoff at perfectly fine words like “doctrine” or “dogma.”
That’s often why evil is getting such a pass and too enemic opposition from us. We want to appease all too often, in my view.
Tough Intramural debating among Christians can be a fantastic way to get honed for oppossing evil forces in the world.
Again, never leave love to the side–and that includes love for the truth too!
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“The problem is with us, the people holding these great preachers and teachers of our time too highly and using them to attack other Christians who might not believe whatever we consider to be the “right” interpretation of what “the gospel” says the church should be doing in the world.”
Yep,just as I suspected; we are the problem, again.
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I really don’t disagree much with the original post or the comments above. But sometimes, I think that one of our greatest problems is that we DON’T hold up the great men and women of God today (preachers, teacher, writers, missionaries, and so on) enough. In fact, we often stand by as the seculibs of the world disparage them and tear them down.
For example, James Dobson has had his finger on the pulse of what our culture desperately needs (good faithful families) for his whole life and has worked hard to make things better. I admire him and his willingness to speak out on other current issues with a Christian perspective too. And he gets so smeared for doing such good in our time.
We also allow ourselves to forget the giants of faith in the past, to our detriment.
Great Preachers:
Charles Spurgeon
Phillips Brooks
Dwight L. Moody
Charles Jefferson
And more.
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I think Anthony’s parallel with today’s celebrity culture and the culture of Corinth is valid–and a very good point. I am just exploring thoughts about how to throw out the bathwater of celebrity worship but NOT throw wout the baby (genuine admiration & gratitude for great men and woman of faith–yesterday and today).
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Churches are social networks.
Because of my cataract surgery, which has been a stunning success.
[Not because of a "miracle" but because my HMO is excellent and my eye surgeon is competent and excellent.]
Because of my eye surgery, I was away from the church’s “wood ministry for three months. The church is excellent. The parishioners I have met are delightful and admirable people. They adore their pastor. The church is big and successful, but not mega.
It is mainstream Protestant. Not liberal. Not evangelical. Most of the people I meet are a mixture of “liberal” and “conservative” without the cant and demented sloganeering of wmb.
I enjoy my Wednesday morning socializing with the volunteers at the wood splitting and after.
My wife and I feel no urge to join the church. We both have other paths for social networking. Humans don’t know if there is a God. Humans don’t know if there is life after death.
The need to treat pastors as rock stars is pathetic.
There is something wrong with your churches, or you would not be here at wmb.
[Yeah, sure there is something wrong with me, but not nearly as wrong with many of you.]
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“The need to treat pastors as rock stars is pathetic.”
I agree. And the need to treat them with respect, dignity and admiration when deserved is great!
How we treat our Christian pastors, and leaders signals so much to our children (for good or ill) about that role and the future of the practics of faith in our culture. Christian leaders will get much ill-treatment in this world. That’s a given. The more that Christians become like the world, the worse they will treat the best of our pastors and leaders.
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I think there’s a lot to be said for having more than one pastor or elder at a church. Obviously this is not possible in many cases, but it is good to hear more than one voice every sunday.
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Great article, Anthony! This “big name pastor” movement is for the birds, and the reformed churches are jumping right on the bandwagon. Recently in one of our bulletins there was a call to get a “big named pastor” to speak at one of our annual meetings and I turned to my husband and said, “As long as he gives the gospel and speaks the truth I don’t care how unknown or well known he is!” Thank you so much for speaking out on this, Anthony.
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Ringbearer, good point. We love our pastor but we also have other men (associates and elders) who preach from time to time and they all bring something special to the pulpit.
Mega churches that grow up around a celebrity pastor are in vulnerable positions. I remember when a well-known radio figure had a rather public falling nearly 20 years ago. The church had just built a new, very large sanctuary and people left in rather high numbers after he was forced to resign.
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I’m not one you’ll see much on these blogs, but the topic interested me too much because I grew upon the church where the pastor was a “minor” celebrity. To say that he was a “minor” celebrity already compares him with others, and this is not good.
Our Amish friends are not intrinsically anti-technology, but they are very interested in the effects of technology. Thus, the Amish can hire people to drive them in cars to various places, but they are very concerned that, if they themselves drive cars, their community will be destroyed, Similarly, Neil Postman (well known for his criticism of television) noted that technology is like putting a drop of food color in water – once you’ve put it in, you cannot go back and change it, and you it effects every drop of water, not just part of it. Where I’m going with this is: technologies such as publishing and multimedia inherently change the dynamics of relationships, and, because these forms of media depend upon separated people who do not know each other, celebrity and power WILL be a factor.
What is the solution? My tentative answer is: “The church.” While the multimedia may provide rich blessings in some way, it sometimes seems to this strongly-church-oriented-Lutheran whenever preference is given to multimedia ministry or forming parachurch organizations named after one’s self instead of working in congregational ministry, there is intrinsic danger.
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I’ll guess that RandomName has been having fun “winding up” wmb writers for some time, but I’m a newbie, so I’ll bite.
“Humans don’t know if there is a God. Humans don’t know if there is life after death.”
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I’m not sure what definition of “know” RandomName is appealing to, but the very foundation of Christianity and, in turn, the reason we know “there is a God” and “there is life after death” is the fact that Jesus was dead for 3 days and then alive. As Paul said, if this is not true, we are indeed fools and RandomName makes his point. On the other hand, if Jesus was truly dead and is now alive, a fact based upon the very empirical evidence I suspect RandomName is seeking, we do, in fact know, that “there is a God” and “there is life after death.”
“The need to treat pastors as rock stars is pathetic.”
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It certainly is, but it’s not clear to me why sinners acting stupidly shocks anyone.
“There is something wrong with your churches, or you would not be here at wmb.”
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There certainly is something wrong with our churches and one result of our understanding of this obvious fact is our responsibility to confess the shortcoming and do something about it, including discussions with others…
“[Yeah, sure there is something wrong with me, but not nearly as wrong with many of you.]”
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This is most assuredly true. If Paul can consider himself “the chief of sinners” and he tells us to consider everyone as better than ourselves, we should be thankful to be reminded of the obvious.
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RandomN,
Scientists know the creation requires the Creator.
God knows they know.
Thus, they are, “without excuse”..
“For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:” (Ro 1:20)
And some receive Christ and follow Him.
This is wonderful.
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