Comments on: The left’s obsession with Sarah Palin http://online.worldmag.com/2009/10/21/the-lefts-obsession-with-sarah-palin/ A forum for discussion of news that arises at the intersection of Christianity and culture. Sat, 13 Mar 2010 09:23:23 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: TE http://online.worldmag.com/2009/10/21/the-lefts-obsession-with-sarah-palin/comment-page-3/#comment-482866 TE Mon, 26 Oct 2009 00:53:47 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=24546#comment-482866 Sarah was thrown in to bolster a sagging attempt by McCain, to appeal to the women's vote. She was good-looking, heady, a governor of a large state, had a rather nice family structure and could speak in generalese, (which btw, McCain couldn't) McCain was an old war-dog, who made his mark by being a POW and having a famous father. He had no personal appeal, and no clear-cut agenda, (something the Repubs seriously lack). Palin was fresh face; period. She still has an appeal by a huge majority of Conservatives, (Musing says it's only 20%), clearing the way for some kind of run in the near future. I can't see her running for the Presidency; it would be a faux-paux for the Repubs to endorse her as a leading candidate. She could run as a State Senator however; beating the tar out of her opponent. She will be more effective as a Senator and can join the ranks with Michelle Bachman. But, what do I know; I'm just another face in the crowd. LOL. .. . Sarah was thrown in to bolster a sagging attempt by McCain, to appeal to the women’s vote. She was good-looking, heady, a governor of a large state, had a rather nice family structure and could speak in generalese, (which btw, McCain couldn’t) McCain was an old war-dog, who made his mark by being a POW and having a famous father. He had no personal appeal, and no clear-cut agenda, (something the Repubs seriously lack).

Palin was fresh face; period. She still has an appeal by a huge majority of Conservatives, (Musing says it’s only 20%), clearing the way for some kind of run in the near future. I can’t see her running for the Presidency; it would be a faux-paux for the Repubs to endorse her as a leading candidate. She could run as a State Senator however; beating the tar out of her opponent. She will be more effective as a Senator and can join the ranks with Michelle Bachman. But, what do I know; I’m just another face in the crowd. LOL. .. .

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]]> By: JorgeCurioso http://online.worldmag.com/2009/10/21/the-lefts-obsession-with-sarah-palin/comment-page-3/#comment-482567 JorgeCurioso Sat, 24 Oct 2009 23:22:44 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=24546#comment-482567 Not a "national nightmare" so much as a national joke. Palin was the GOP attempt to commit suicide by Ferarro. Worked pretty well. Just say "no" to tokenism. Not a “national nightmare” so much as a national joke. Palin was the GOP attempt to commit suicide by Ferarro. Worked pretty well.

Just say “no” to tokenism.

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]]> By: musing http://online.worldmag.com/2009/10/21/the-lefts-obsession-with-sarah-palin/comment-page-3/#comment-482345 musing Sat, 24 Oct 2009 12:58:16 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=24546#comment-482345 DJ post 112, nor did I claim that all law suits were not bogus. :-) The absolutist approach often leads to inconvenient logical errors. I well understood that post 7 can be called either way, and noted that before I created post 94. I still intended post 7 as an explicit comment on Fisherman's comment trying to show that as posed fisherman's comments has two edges. I use the word generally and words in general frequently on purpose: almost nothing is ever truly absolutist in nature and certainly people's interpretations can further weaken any absolutist argument. And a side theme of many of my discussions is to demonstrate the folly of poorly formed absolutist arguments. But my intent in post 94 I believe remains solid: my focus here has been on those commenting on Sarah Palin, not in commenting on Sarah Palin. And dmeonstrably, as noted by three discussion groups in WMB on Sarah in as many days (not to mention the truly bizarre comments regarding her physical attractvieness) suggests an obsesssion on the right with Sarah Palin which is trivially and easily observed even in WMB. DJ post 112,

nor did I claim that all law suits were not bogus. :-)

The absolutist approach often leads to inconvenient logical errors.

I well understood that post 7 can be called either way, and noted that before I created post 94.

I still intended post 7 as an explicit comment on Fisherman’s comment trying to show that as posed fisherman’s comments has two edges.

I use the word generally and words in general frequently on purpose: almost nothing is ever truly absolutist in nature and certainly people’s interpretations can further weaken any absolutist argument. And a side theme of many of my discussions is to demonstrate the folly of poorly formed absolutist arguments.

But my intent in post 94 I believe remains solid: my focus here has been on those commenting on Sarah Palin, not in commenting on Sarah Palin.

And dmeonstrably, as noted by three discussion groups in WMB on Sarah in as many days (not to mention the truly bizarre comments regarding her physical attractvieness) suggests an obsesssion on the right with Sarah Palin which is trivially and easily observed even in WMB.

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]]> By: DJ http://online.worldmag.com/2009/10/21/the-lefts-obsession-with-sarah-palin/comment-page-3/#comment-482343 DJ Sat, 24 Oct 2009 12:49:31 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=24546#comment-482343 #111 HA! You trickster! :lol: #111
HA! You trickster! :lol:

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]]> By: DJ http://online.worldmag.com/2009/10/21/the-lefts-obsession-with-sarah-palin/comment-page-3/#comment-482342 DJ Sat, 24 Oct 2009 12:48:47 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=24546#comment-482342 Musing, #108 Thanks for the link. Actually, I didn't claim that all the lawsuits were bogus.. But I do question the quantity and quality of the complaints that have necessitated such a huge attorney fee to defend, and suspect that they have been created largely to create an impossible financial burden. I would expect to have seen something more substantial than a few questionable trips with her children. At first, I thought the BIL issue would be big, but it doesn't seem to be going anywhere, and it may turn out in the end that she skated close to the line without legally crossing it. (I did say I wondered about her control instincts.) Many of the complaints have already been dismissed. But I stand by my statement that the Dems practically gnash their teeth if she gets good press. #110 I still think your leap from Fisherman's (#2) very general comment, directly to "indeed I have noted this about Palin’s criticsims of others" (#7) constitutes a comment on SP herself rather than strictly speaking a reference to Fisherman's. However, given all your other comments that I have read, it's probably more charitable to acquit you of SP obsession--though I cannot acquit the rest of us. :-) I will take you at your word that you are more obsessed with <i>us</i> than her (#25). Musing,
#108
Thanks for the link. Actually, I didn’t claim that all the lawsuits were bogus.. But I do question the quantity and quality of the complaints that have necessitated such a huge attorney fee to defend, and suspect that they have been created largely to create an impossible financial burden. I would expect to have seen something more substantial than a few questionable trips with her children. At first, I thought the BIL issue would be big, but it doesn’t seem to be going anywhere, and it may turn out in the end that she skated close to the line without legally crossing it. (I did say I wondered about her control instincts.) Many of the complaints have already been dismissed.

But I stand by my statement that the Dems practically gnash their teeth if she gets good press.

#110
I still think your leap from Fisherman’s (#2) very general comment, directly to “indeed I have noted this about Palin’s criticsims of others” (#7) constitutes a comment on SP herself rather than strictly speaking a reference to Fisherman’s. However, given all your other comments that I have read, it’s probably more charitable to acquit you of SP obsession–though I cannot acquit the rest of us. :-) I will take you at your word that you are more obsessed with us than her (#25).

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]]> By: musing http://online.worldmag.com/2009/10/21/the-lefts-obsession-with-sarah-palin/comment-page-3/#comment-482336 musing Sat, 24 Oct 2009 12:13:43 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=24546#comment-482336 DJ, and have you not considered that perhaps I structured post 94 in such a way as to trigger certain classes of misinterpretation to see who would strike on it? :-) DJ,

and have you not considered that perhaps I structured post 94 in such a way as to trigger certain classes of misinterpretation to see who would strike on it? :-)

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]]> By: musing http://online.worldmag.com/2009/10/21/the-lefts-obsession-with-sarah-palin/comment-page-3/#comment-482335 musing Sat, 24 Oct 2009 12:11:08 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=24546#comment-482335 DJ post 107, you and JOel would seem to be almost correct. I suggest two thoughts: 1) look at genesis and direction of post 7 (which I suggest still remains the only ne directly addressing Palin in this thread) 2) the wording of 94 I suggest that your and Joel's comments demonstrate a classic failure mode which occurs in these discussions. Generally I try to avoid strong abolutist statements. Certain types of conservatives, based simply on their belief structure, do tend to make absolutist statements, and often seem to expect and misinterpret as absolutist the statements of others. :-) DJ post 107,

you and JOel would seem to be almost correct. I suggest two thoughts:

1) look at genesis and direction of post 7 (which I suggest still remains the only ne directly addressing Palin in this thread)

2) the wording of 94

I suggest that your and Joel’s comments demonstrate a classic failure mode which occurs in these discussions.

Generally I try to avoid strong abolutist statements.

Certain types of conservatives, based simply on their belief structure, do tend to make absolutist statements, and often seem to expect and misinterpret as absolutist the statements of others. :-)

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]]> By: DJ http://online.worldmag.com/2009/10/21/the-lefts-obsession-with-sarah-palin/comment-page-3/#comment-482334 DJ Sat, 24 Oct 2009 12:05:11 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=24546#comment-482334 Musing, #105 I think JoelMark has got you this time. You've mentioned Palin at least once in most of your posts. Fisherman didn't mention Palin at all until post #81...and then, only to say he has no personal knowledge of her. 'Fess up: it may be for different reasons, but we're all a little obsessedd with the governor, aren't we? [She says, as she posts the 108th comment on the topic of 'Palin Obsession'.] ;-) Musing, #105
I think JoelMark has got you this time. You’ve mentioned Palin at least once in most of your posts. Fisherman didn’t mention Palin at all until post #81…and then, only to say he has no personal knowledge of her. ‘Fess up: it may be for different reasons, but we’re all a little obsessedd with the governor, aren’t we? [She says, as she posts the 108th comment on the topic of 'Palin Obsession'.] ;-)

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]]> By: musing http://online.worldmag.com/2009/10/21/the-lefts-obsession-with-sarah-palin/comment-page-3/#comment-482333 musing Sat, 24 Oct 2009 12:02:41 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=24546#comment-482333 DJ post 105, The following would seem to be a partial list: http://www.adn.com/palin/story/838912.html Now one can examine each one and make a judgement call regarding them. But as you note, Pain did refund state money whcih were used for personal use. And of course there is the issue of her ebrother in law in the state police which seems reasonably supported by the facts.. So you may argue that some were bogus. You do not seem to be in a position to argue that all are bogus. DJ post 105,

The following would seem to be a partial list:

http://www.adn.com/palin/story/838912.html

Now one can examine each one and make a judgement call regarding them. But as you note, Pain did refund state money whcih were used for personal use. And of course there is the issue of her ebrother in law in the state police which seems reasonably supported by the facts..

So you may argue that some were bogus. You do not seem to be in a position to argue that all are bogus.

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]]> By: DJ http://online.worldmag.com/2009/10/21/the-lefts-obsession-with-sarah-palin/comment-page-3/#comment-482332 DJ Sat, 24 Oct 2009 11:47:08 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=24546#comment-482332 Which ethics charges Musing. The only thing I'm aware of is that she took her kids with her on the state dime a few times. And that was a judgement call, since sometimes it was allowable. And she paid the travel money back. OTOH, if you want to see real ethics violations we could have some more threads about ACORN or better yet, Rangel, who, last I heard, was still cheerfully chairing his committee, and from what I've read, not even denying some of the charges. No. That just won't fly. It's no secret that I didn't support the McCain-Palin ticket (no regrets about that), and I do question whether or not she's a bit over-controling, but there's no doubt that Palin and her familly have been targeted for destruction. Dems practically gnash their teeth if she gets good press. It's a little disturbing actually. Which ethics charges Musing. The only thing I’m aware of is that she took her kids with her on the state dime a few times. And that was a judgement call, since sometimes it was allowable. And she paid the travel money back.

OTOH, if you want to see real ethics violations we could have some more threads about ACORN or better yet, Rangel, who, last I heard, was still cheerfully chairing his committee, and from what I’ve read, not even denying some of the charges.

No. That just won’t fly. It’s no secret that I didn’t support the McCain-Palin ticket (no regrets about that), and I do question whether or not she’s a bit over-controling, but there’s no doubt that Palin and her familly have been targeted for destruction. Dems practically gnash their teeth if she gets good press. It’s a little disturbing actually.

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