Jonah and the idolatry of racism
Timothy Keller, pastor of Redeemer Presbyterian Church in New York City, has just written a new book, Counterfeit Gods: The Empty Promises of Money, Sex, and Power, and the Only Hope That Matters. It’s an insightful book about the idols we worship in lieu of God, how to discern them, and how to get rid of them.
One of my favorite passages is about the story of Jonah. “The word of the Lord came to Jonah” telling him to “go to Nineveh . . . and proclaim against her, for their evil has come up before my face.” (Jonah 1:1-2)
Keller writes that Nineveh was the seat of the Assyrian Empire, a powerful threat to Israel. To do anything that could potentially benefit Assyria would have been anathema to Jonah. So he doesn’t go. Instead he hops a ship headed in the opposite direction, bound for the town of Tarshish.
Now here’s the part of the story we all know best. A storm arises so powerful that it threatens to sink the ship. Lots are cast to see who’s at fault, and Jonah’s number comes up, so to speak. He admits that he’s fleeing from God, realizes that the storm is because of him, and instructs his shipmates to fling him overboard. And they do. Jonah is swallowed by a fish and later thrown up onto the shore.
When God instructs Jonah a second time to go to Ninevah and preach, he obeys. “And the people of Nineveh believed God. They called for a fast and put on sackcloth. . . . When God examined their deeds . . . he renounced the disaster he had said he would do to them.” And, as Keller writes, “Now comes the part of the story that is almost universally ignored.”
Jonah’s mission was a success, but he “burned with anger,” and pleaded with God to take his life. Keller writes, “Finally Jonah’s idol was laid bare, revealing his abhorrence of this race and nation. He so loathed the Assyrian race he saw God’s forgiveness of them to be the worst thing that could have happened. . . . He didn’t want them saved.”
The story ends with God asking Jonah why he shouldn’t have spared Ninevah; there is no recorded response from Jonah. But Keller believes it’s safe to assume he came around. He must have told the story to someone who then wrote it down. “And,” Keller writes, “who would ever tell a story in which on every page he is seen as an evil fool, except a man in whom God’s grace had reached the center of his heart?”














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God is great
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If one says that over and over and over, it must be true.
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The Jonah story provides us with quite a challenge: Not to care more about our personal comfort than for the spiritual destiny of those who are lost.
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Swallowed by a giant fish for three days and lives.
That’s funny!
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HERMES 10.23.09 AT 1:58 PM
Swallowed by a giant fish for three days and lives.
That’s funny!
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How about the fact Jonah was going in the wrong direction and fish took him turn around and dropped him off. right were God wanted him to go.
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As I understand it, live things swim around inside of whales for sometime before they…well, you know.
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NJLawyer – can you image what Jonah must have look like after bing in side that big fish>?
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There have been recorded instances of other folks being swallowed by whales. It escapes me how enough oxygen could be in an animals stomach for 3 days, but God is sovereign.
And if you go to modern day Iraq you can actually see the tomb of the man we call Jonah but whom they refer to as Nebby Yunis (the Prophet Jonah).
That tomb in Iraq is right up there to me with Esther’s Tomb in Iran. (The Iranian Jews proclaim proudly to be Esther’s children!)
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If you’ll believe the Jonah story, you’ll believe anything.
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HERMES 10.23.09 AT 6:21 PM
If you’ll believe the Jonah story, you’ll believe anything.
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you are right, I believe a man died for the sins of the world and then rose again on the third day. An is sitting at the right hand of the father (God)
what do you believe?
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No particular reason to believe it is true except wanting to believe it is true.
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Random Name 10.23.09 AT 6:37 PM
No particular reason to believe it is true except wanting to believe it is true
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what do you believe?
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No particular reason to believe it is true except wanting to believe it is true.
There’s a phenomenon in American Christendumb known as “Easy Believism.”
Random suffers from Simplistic Disbelievism.
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#7 Pruney?
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I’ll bet he really smelled, too.
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NJLawyer, I agree. can you image the first person he speaks to and he tells them to repent. Pruney and smellig the way he must have smelled
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Well, Pastor Roy, may be said something like “repent or end up pruney and smelly like me.”
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Hilarious.
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Pruney and smelly is pruney and smelly — quite disgusting really, certainly not hilarious.
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It’s hilarious that people actually believe this stuff.
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Glad you find it funny Hermes…..one day you will find out just how funny it is when you doubt the things of God…..but until then keep trying to make a point.
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And what do you believe?
It is amazing that the universe exists. It is amazing to be alive and conscious of my own existence.
I don’t believe in life after death. I believe I will die as every other human being has died or will die.
I don’t believe in a being called “God” who created the universe and who created “eternal moral laws.” I think there probably are eternal laws of physical science, those these are “amoral.”
I believe morals/ethics are constructs based on our genetics and evolution, such as our drive to care for and protect our young. I also believe morals/ethics are constructs that evolve in a social sense, in that cultures that discourage murder, for example, have an advantage in competing with societies that do not.
Societies in which people cooperate and help other members of the “tribe” have an advantage over societies where people do not. Unfortunately, people often work together with great self-sacrifice and altruism for the purpose of killing, enslaving, and stealing from people in other “tribes.”
I believe civilization will be destroyed by the end of this century. I would be glad to be proven wrong, though the point is moot as I won’t live long enough to find out.
Those are some gloomy things I believe. I sometimes describe my outlook on life as “Cheerful Despair.”
I believe religions were developed to help people deal with:
a) Despair at our awareness of our own mortality, and our horror that life seems to exist for no reason or purpose.
b) Despair that “life is not fair” and a desire to see that the wicked our punished and the good are rewarded, either through something like carma or through Heaven and Hell.
I can go on, but being a moderately kind person (for no good reason), I will stop now.
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“Racism”?
Oh, brother.
Because Tim Keller is surrounded by and preaches to inveterate racists all the time, right? All those trendy, postmodern, Obama-supporting Manhattanites that are his main audience are just such… racists!
You do realize this isn’t 1964 any more, don’t you?
Or maybe you think World Magazine’s readers are all secretly racist? I mean, of all the possible things you could have drawn from a book and then posted about, why choose this in particular? Where’s your post on finally getting women the right to vote?
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Sorry, I’m still a little baffled here.
Let’s see if I understand. Tim Keller, pastor of a church in Manhattan, where as a matter of policy he won’t preach against abortion because he doesn’t want to sound too Republican, writes a book in 2009 in which he writes that “racism is an idol” that we as Christians worship in the place of Christ.
Well, say what you must to sell your book, I guess.
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Chapter 4, to me, is an indication of the authenticity of the story. I was teaching Jonah once, and said, “If I had been writing that, you wouldn’t have gotten chapter four.” Think about it. The story is complete in three chapters and Jonah becomes a hero for saving a city. All Ch. 4 does is make Jonah look bad.
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David L., I went to the link and see nothing about not sounding too Republican; I do see that Keller doesn’t want preaching on morality to get in the way of preaching the Gospel. (Since it’s God who changes us, not our own efforts, he doesn’t see the point of turning people off of hearing about Christ by focusing on how they can change morally before they have met Christ.) I personally have never heard a sermon against abortion anyway, though I have heard it mentioned in sermons from time to time, so I’m not sure how that proves that a person is avoiding what he should be preaching.
I think the strongest “argument” in that link was their assertion that Keller said the woman had “experienced” three abortions, which in their mind suggested passivity, something done to her and not by her. And yet, our normal word is that someone “had” three abortions, which says exactly the same thing as “experienced”; for a word person, “had” is a weak verb like “is” and might well be substituted with “experienced.” And what other verb could be used? To say she “performed” three abortions would suggest she did the surgery on someone else. In other words, I think even in the use of the word “experienced” they don’t have a case, and they probably should have talked with Keller one on one about their concern about his preaching instead of posting it on a blog to publicly chastise a brother who, in my opinion, doesn’t seem to be doing anything worthy of such public condemnation.
I’ve only heard Keller preach once, but I have read both of his earlier books, and know him as a brother in Christ who is earnestly seeking and proclaiming Christ in a difficult “mission field,” so I would suggest using caution when others attack him.
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While it does raise a flag that a person could sit in the congregation for an extended length of time never knowing the church’s/pastor’s stance on abortion, I agree with Cheryl D. that those accusing Keller should have approached him personally. Assuming they didn’t, the post in David L.’s link is pretty harsh. The race thing, though, is a bit of an eye roller.
For the record, I think a lot of Keller’s writing is excellent.
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Maybe the Book of Jonah is a fictional story. On the other hand, as SAWGUNER points out, there is his tomb, and he survived for three days on what little oxygen there may be in a whale’s stomach.
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There’s also a castle at Elsinore.
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We get the point.
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I am a certified Scuba Rescue Diver and dive in many places around the world. One time I was diving near Monterey CA during the great annual whale migration. While I was down there I was thinking, “What would happen if one of these big guys ate me?” None did, obviously.
Later I wrote a letter to the Monterey Bay Aquarium and asked the question, “If I were eaten by a whale, what would happen?” They said I would die. There isn’t much air in a whale’s stomach not to mention the stomach acids. And if the whale were to dive, his stomach would shrink dramatically. The ability of the internal organs like the lungs to shrink explains why whales don’t get the bends even though they go to great depths. This shrinkage would crush anyone in the stomach.
In the story of Jonah, it says the fish went to the “bottoms of the mountains”. Sounds deep. Even more revealing is that Jonah says that out of Sheol he cried to the Lord. Sheol is the place of the dead. My take on this story therefore is that Jonah died and was raised again on the third day.
But whether he was alive during the ordeal or died and was raised again, either way it was miraculous. Some Christians tell a story about a man who actually survived such a thing. The story can’t be verified and is almost certainly untrue. It was a miracle! Is not God a God of miracles? And isn’t the story more apropos to Jesus’ words about his resurrection if taken literally?
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A whale with a throat about the size of a orange, couldn’t swallow a man. The Bible says it was a ‘great fish’, which was ‘prepared’, swallowed Jonah.
The story, is just that; a story. It served a purpose and it taught a lesson. Justifiable reasoning here; Christ taught in parables, (stories), which also served a purpose and taught a lesson. For example; did the ‘Good Samaritan’ really exist? Or, maybe the prodigal son? Or, the vinyard owner? Or the poor widow who gave all she had?. . .. .Read the story and draw the conclusion it proffers. Arguments around such things encourages the skeptics and helps to bolster unbelief.
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TE – No. Your idea would work if Jesus had merely told the story as a parable. He didn’t. Unlike His parables, the story of Jonah is told as history in the book of Jonah. The author of the book wrote in prose, not in poetry or prophecy. The subject of the book is identified as Jonah, the son of Amittai. The same person was mentioned in 2 Kings 14. In referring back to it, Jesus clearly meant to be taken literally. “For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.” A natural reading of this passage indicates that Jesus is referring to a historical event. Furthermore, if Jonah was not literally in the belly of a fish, then the Son of Man would not necessarily be buried in the earth. IOW, if the events of Jonah didn’t happen, Jesus’ statement is meaningless.
FYI, the poor widow who gave all she had was not a parable. See Luke 21:1-4.
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Cheryl D. said, “I do see that Keller doesn’t want preaching on morality to get in the way of preaching the Gospel.”
Wow. That statement sums up pretty well what’s wrong with American Christianity. The Gospel without “morality” doesn’t even exist.
Preaching forgiveness absent an appeal to the conscience is a notion taught nowhere in the Bible. Have you read the sermons by Peter on Pentecost and Stephen when he was martyred? Have you read Galatians, where the Holy Spirit through Paul tells us that the law is a schoolmaster to bring us to Christ?
How can people know they need forgiveness and grace if they don’t understand that they’ve broken God’s moral law and are deserving of eternal damnation?
But if you’d read the post I linked to and the comments underneath it, you’d have known that these questions have all been addressed there. You’re saying that no sin should ever be mentioned in a sermon. Why, then–why in the whole wide world do we listen to sermons in the first place? If the Holy Spirit accomplishes conversion in the hearts of God’s elect without anyone’s help, then we should all just around in our living rooms waiting for God to zap us. Conversions ALWAYS take place through the means of the World preached by a man.
If you’d read the post and all the comments, you’d know that politics (and the avoidance of the Republican stigma) is front and center in Tim Keller’s refusal to preach about abortion. (And by the way, when the abortion rate in the church is about the same as it is outside the church, whether you’ve heard sermons on it or not is entirely immaterial; there *should be* sermons, constantly, about the killing of our children for convenience’s sake.)
Remember what the woman who had three (count them, three) of her children aborted said: “that if I had seen any literature or reference to the ‘pro-life’ movement, I would not have stayed through the first service.”
In the comments, you find this: “…some sins when addressed in public will be seen as mainly a political scheme…” Earlier, the author of the post had written, “Maybe it’s not sin he thinks should be kept out of Gospel sermons, but specific sins commonly exploited by conservative politicians for political ends?
“But if this is his real goal–to avoid identifying with the Republican Party or conservative politics–he would do better to say that, precisely, and let the argument proceed from there.”
I shouldn’t have to reiterate everything in that post, but when you bring up issues that have already been addressed there I don’t see how I can avoid it.
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MacRutabaga,
Whether the post is “harsh” or not is up for debate. It’s a subjective term and says nothing about the substance of the critique of Keller.
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Xion, the story of Jonah doesn’t say “whale,” but “great fish” (though the KJV says “whale” in the NT, I believe); since a whale isn’t a fish but a mammal, it doesn’t make sense to assume it’s a whale. A shark is probably more likely from the text, and I understand that it’s also more likely in terms of how a shark is made (and that people have been swallowed by sharks and lived to tell about it). BTW, people aren’t born of virgins and don’t come back to life after three days in the tomb, either . . . normally. So God might very well have miraculously kept Jonah alive.
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David L.,
I suspect you’re probably not very familiar with my theology or you wouldn’t be assuming that I believe in a God without morality, preaching without sin, etc. It seems to me that salvation simply cannot be preached at all until one has preached what we are saved from; I believe that the preaching of the Cross as “the way to get to heaven” without being seen as a necessary answer to the real problem of sin is one of the greatest weaknesses of modern “Christianity.”
And I strongly suspect Tim Keller would agree with me.
I don’t believe that entire sermons should (usually) be given to abortion; I believe in expository preaching and not topical preaching. If a text naturally deals with life in the womb, then a pastor can (and possibly should) deal with abortion. If he’s preaching about murder, he can include abortion as the form of murder most likely to be practiced by those in the pew. Thus, abortion can very easily come up in a sermon. Sin definitely should come up in a sermon if it’s dealt with in the passage under explication (as it nearly always will be).
I truly don’t get the sense of Keller that he’s avoiding preaching the whole counsel of God to avoid “offending” people. It’s possible I’m wrong, but his books are quite hard-hitting and I imagine his sermons are as well. Whether a pastor has or hasn’t preached on a specific sin simply isn’t a reason to judge him. Tim Keller is one of the last preachers I’d accuse of watering down the Gospel, which is why I have expressed the need for caution on this front.
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P.S. I did read the post, and attempted to read links as well (I think they didn’t load for me). I don’t think I read all the comments, but did read some of them. Nothing in the post said anything about Republicanism (unless I missed something). And as to morality getting in the way of the Gospel, while I have said already that I believe that a pastor may well need to preach against abortion, I don’t think that having pro-life literature in the lobby would be a good idea (it would suggest to unbelievers that this is a “Republican” church in an unhelpful way, and would be likely to keep them from coming in where they could hear the Gospel), and in a heavily Democratic area (as Manhattan is), when one preaches on “conservative” issues (abortion, homosexuality), one does have to use extra care not to appear to be preaching as a Republican. Avoid those issues even when they come up in the text? Absolutely not. But be “shrewd as a serpent” in how you approach them.
Keller is a PCA pastor, my own denomination, and I heard him preach at the Nashville church that “sent” him to Manhattan as more or less a missionary. I do not know him personally, but he is a respected pastor, in a denomination very careful about its theology. As Paul the apostle wasn’t above double-checking by the Bereans, Tim Keller is not. But his reputation is solid, and reproaches against him must be checked with more discernment as a result than if he were known for wishy-washy teaching or was part of a denomination known for being liberal.
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P.P.S. The quotes you have about conservatism aren’t quoting Keller, but others’ guesses about his purpose, which isn’t the same thing.
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David L., 35,
And the reason I said little about the critique of Keller is because I agree with it. What I don’t agree with is that the critique of a this brother in Christ should be initiated in some weblog before ever being privately discussed with the man.
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In addition to some worthwhile books, Keller gave an interesting talk, with some good Q & A, at the Google campus.
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David –
I think there is a real risk in equating moralism to the gospel. This is a problem with many people who are inoculated to the gospel. Moralism can develop into the thought that “I am thankful for grace, but if it weren’t for grace, I think I am good enough.” It contradicts a corllary of the gospel “since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.” [Gal. 2:16]
“…one of the most insidious false gospels is a moralism that promises the favor of God and the satisfaction of God’s righteousness to sinners if they will only behave and commit themselves to moral improvement.” Mohler
God did not save believers for “moral improvement”. Moralism is beneficial for civil life. But the risk is that an orderly, cleaned up, good community often reeks of pride.
A couple of months ago, Mohler did a great article on this
http://www.albertmohler.com/2009/09/03/why-moralism-is-not-the-gospel-and-why-so-many-christians-think-it-is/?action=print&id=9732
Grace & Peace!
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Another thought David… I again have to think, I know many non-Christians who are rigorous moralists. Some of them are more moral than the people we see on Sunday mornings. The problem is not their lack of morality – it is their lack of knowing that sin, any sin, separates us from God. And there will be judgment for all sin. These ideas are also offensive to “moralists”. A moral person doesn’t need God any less than a person who really recognizes the extent of their sinfulness.
Can we reflect on the gospel for a moment?
*There is one God. He made us in His image. He made us good.
*We have sinned against him – we have fallen.
*God would be just and good to judge us eternally.
*But in His amazing love the eternal son of God has taken on flesh – been incarnate. Jesus Christ, fully God, fully man, lived the life we should have lived. He lived perfectly. He died on the cross in place of everyone who will repent of their sins and trust in Him.
*And God raised him from the dead and he ascended into heaven. He will return in the same manner.
*And he calls us to repent of our sins and trust on Him.
*He will give us new life he will fill us with the Holy Spirit give us the new birth and adopt us as his reconciled children forever.
Grace & Peace!
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#36 CherlyD “So God might very well have miraculously kept Jonah alive.”
Yes, and that was my point. Even if God specially prepared a great fish who could ingest a man without killing him, that still sounds miraculous. The problem with getting eaten by even the greatest sharks in the world is that they chew their food.
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Good thoughts, Cheryl D., Macrutabaga and ERCaptain. Thanks for taking the time to respond, and I think we agree on most points.
I am not trying to equate morality with the Gospel, but there is no true Gospel without facing sin.
ERCaptain said, “God did not save believers for ‘moral improvement.’”
I won’t argue with you, but I will simply offer a passage from the Bible for consideration:
“For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.” (Ephesians 2, NASB)
If we err too far in one direction as a church and as a culture, it is towards antinomianism, not towards legalism.
As for sermons on abortion: I don’t mean that entire sermons should normally be preached on it, but, like you said, when issues relating to it come up during expository preaching, avoiding it is very wrong, I think. Tim Keller won’t do even this, even though he may be right in what he says about most other things. Plus, his job is not primarily to sell books but to shepherd the souls under his care.
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Cheryl: A shark is probably more likely from the text, and I understand that it’s also more likely in terms of how a shark is made (and that people have been swallowed by sharks and lived to tell about it).
No they haven’t. And any story (that you believe with your typical gullibility) that says otherwise is made up. Sharks chew what they eat. Before a human would make it to a shark’s stomach, he’d be torn into many small pieces.
Whales, also, if they eat large creatures, kill and chew them. The only whales that swallow food whole eat nothing larger than plankton.
There are only two possible ways to read the Jonah story:
1. The entire event was supernatural and miraculous, or
2. The story is not literally true, but is a sort of parable.
There is no naturalistic explanation, no fish or sea mammal that could swallow a human whole and the human survive three days inside it.
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Steve G.,
Sorry, but “your typical gullibilty” is downright rude, unfair, and is in fact against the rules of this blog. And yes, I understand how whales eat–baleen or teeth. That’s exactly why I said whales weren’t a good candidate. As to whether people have ever survived being swallowed by a large fish, I have heard that on rare occasions they have (not for three days, but briefly–long enough to be rescued if someone saw the attack). But the fact that Jonah survived was clearly miraculous.
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David,
I agree that good works, which God created in advance for us to do, are part of our lives as believers. However, where we differ is that much of the church body life that I have experienced around the country has leaned more toward some form of legalism. There are expectations of moral behavior, and as long as people meet that local standard of good behavior, they must be Christian.
As far is culture is concerned, why would we have any expectation at all that culture would be moral? I am frankly surprised that culture is not more blatantly pagan. Why should we expect any different?
I believe that often in more pagan areas of our culture (think the East and West Coast) Christians are often true salt and light. In other areas where people just believe that everyone is christian because they are all pretty good, (your average Bible belt communities) people are often inoculated to the Gospel and a real relationship with Jesus.
I have heard many of Keller’s sermons, and have never thought that he was pulling punches or not giving the whole truth of the gospel. Sin and repentance are part of his vernacular. But as Keller describes when preaching about sin “I use it with lots and lots of explanation, because the word is essentially obsolete.”
There are many in the church today who preach not much more than deistic therapeutic moralism. Be good and your life will be better.
Your assertions that he doesn’t preach on it are simply not true. I am not sure where you got your impressions. There are many preachers you could point to who may be guilty of your assertions, but Keller and many others are preaching the gospel (see http://www.thegospelcoalition.org).
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Cheryl: Referring to your gullibility was harsh, and yes, probably against the rules. But in the same post where you protest it, you also insist that you believe something plainly impossible has happened because you “have heard” it.
What better word is there for that? Credulousness? I can go with that one too.
Fact: Fish cannot swallow a human being whole.
Fact: If by some amazingly unlikely circumstance a fish did swallow a human being whole, the human being would be in an airless stomach (even animals that breathe air generally don’t have it in their stomachs, let alone animals that breathe water and stay submerged all the time) and bathed in digestive juices.
If you’re going to believe the Jonah story as literal history, best to just say it was miraculous and leave it at that.
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Steve G.,
I’m actually fairly sure I heard it as a news story, that
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Wow–it never did that on me before. I was trying to type and suddenly my comment posted!
Anyway, I’m pretty sure I heard it as a news story, that a man was rescued alive by having the belly of whatever had swallowed him cut open (and he had cuts and bruises; he was alive but injured); that others had been there and seen him swallowed and had acted quickly, and that there have only been a couple of such cases in history. My memory may be wrong; since I don’t really remember the source I’m willing to concede that. But no, it doesn’t show “credulity” to believe that a freak something out of the ordinary happened like that. One hears of quite amazing things on nature shows and on the news as well. But whatever happened, with Jonah it was God’s doing, yes. Honestly, I don’t need a miracle “explained”; virgin births require God’s intervention too.
My point was actually more that a whale for sure can’t swallow a man whole, even if it kills him in the process, and thus God had to have prepared something other than a whale, probably something of the fish kind (with a larger throat) and also protected Jonah in the process, because a fish wouldn’t normally swallow a man alive, even if physically its throat could handle it. (And FYI, I know very little about sharks; they aren’t an animal that interests me. I’ve seen a few nature shows, read an article here and there, but I just don’t know much about them.)
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Steveg,
GOD made the world and created us. HE sent HIS Son to die on the cross and then was Resurrected from the dead – GOD can do this, HE most certainly can allow a large fish to swallow a man, and the man survive –
Looking for other miracles – read Christ raising the dead, feeding thousands from a few fishes and loaves of bread – healing a blind man –
YES INDEED, …… GOD can and did allow a man to be swallowed by a fish and then survive.
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Mat, I’ll stand by my original theme. . ..Read the story and draw the conclusion it proffers. Arguments around such things encourages the skeptics and helps to bolster unbelief. . . .
But, thanks for your input; I’m sure someone will find it enlightening.
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Cheryl, looking at snopes.com, there doesn’t appear to be any qualified encounters of fish swallowing man. ..well, with the exception of the Jonah story.
Of course, everyone is guilty of overhearing some wild tale, logging it in their memory bank and forgetting the source; then later on it resurfaces and it is blurted out as if it were true. So, being human, we should be forgiven for such spurious infractions of our innermost selves; not ridiculed. For some odd reason, human beings have the uncanny ability to become; well, you know.
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Jonah/Jonas was a real person, as was made clear. Christ Jesus made it plain to all that this was not a parable, but a true miracle of GOD.
39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
Matthew 12:40
This is not a parable. Jesus calls Jonas a prophet (verse 39) Jesus reveals the 3 nights and the body of the fish – and then Jesus makes it clear that Jonas is truly a real prophet a real man, by HIS statement that “a greater than Jonas is here” that man is Jesus Christ who speaking to them.
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TE – 54
A few years ago when the Tsunami hit the Islands there was a story of a man who ran an orphanage ….. who when he realized he couldn’t get the children up the hill in time, ran with the kids to his boat, put them in and went straight out to sea, it was in his mind, their only chance. There were about 18 kids on that small boat. When a larger wave started to approach he called on GOD “in the name of Jesus stop” it did, the children witnessed what happened. I was rebuked for that story which was on the news – SNOPES said it wasn’t true.
I called Indonesia twice and talked to those who were involved, who knew what had happened ….. it was all TRUE – The children were safe, GOD had performed a miracle leading that man by the HOLY Spirit straight out to sea in the small boat with all those precious children.
People can scoff at the miracles GOD performes, but that is to their folly.
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How Father Sanders Saved 26 Orphans from Death in Sri Lanka
Read the story – I sure had the numbers wrong, but the heart of the story is what matters.
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Obviously Snopes doesn’t believe in miracles. Miracles do happen; prayers do get answered, no doubt.
My only point to the Jonah story, was for it to be accepted as a lesson. I mean, even comic books teach a lesson at times. .. .even if it involves some guy named Superman; good overcomes evil, every single time. Moral lessons can be gleaned from every walk of life; if we choose to learn. The Bible is a good source for them; although cloaked in a historical narrative. When the irreligious get a chance, they bash the Biblical treatise, claiming ‘foul’, ‘it isn’t true’, yet when they are challenged in their own life, they get to call others a hypocrite. There is always an excuse to do evil, but very seldom will others apply that same excuse to do good.
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I cannot read the story of Jonah without thinking of a 1970s version of 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea, in which the protagonists become similarly trapped inside a whale. For realism, there was a lot of colored water splashing about which never mussed the blonde leading lady’s bouffant. Also, there were things which looked like giant hairy pickles suspended from the top of the whale’s stomach, which swung to and fro every time the whale moved. Seeing this reduced me and my sister to hysterical tears of laughter. To this day, I cannot consume pickles in her presence without one of us waving them at the other one and collapsing into giggles.
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Comment#22 by Random Name showed great improvement. Instead of using “we”, now it is “I”. May the best idea (truth) win!
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The thing about Jonah is that if we believe in a God who could create the entire universe, then there is no reason not to believe that such a powerful God could either resurrect Jonah, or preserve him. It really doesn’t matter. But, arguing such a picayune point such as “fish can’t swallow people whole, and — even if they did — the person would die” is silly when we’re talking about an all-powerful creator of the universe. Such a God can do anything at all with His creation.
And, as someone else pointed out, there is a POINT to the story that teaches, so the the actual reality of it, and how it happened, is decidedly beside the point!
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While I actually tend to believe the story of Jonah is literally true, I honestly don’t agree that it couldn’t be a parable. Just because Jesus referred to it as an example, and just because Jesus literally rose from the dead, it doesn’t necessarily follow that the Jonah story has to be literal. Lots of times we have real things that refer to symbolic things.
Still, as I said in 61, I think people are missing the forest for the trees. The point to the story is still the point, and quibbling over HOW it happened means one is actually missing the whole point.
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It does NOT say Whale. It says a big fish.
I believe a whale is a mammal and not a fish.
How do they know, has anyone been in a big fish?
Why would God make up a name? “To protect the innocent” (or disobedient, in this case)?
And the bigger thing would be that GOD CAN DO ANYTHING.
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As David Jeremiah says, If they have a name it’s real, if they don’t have a name it’s an example.
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Uh-Oh SNOPES
Does this mean Snopes is Politically Correct?
Does this mean Snopes has a non-Biblical world view?
So is Snopes the one that’s telling STORIES?
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#61 TRS “It really doesn’t matter. But, arguing such a picayune point such as “fish can’t swallow people whole, and — even if they did — the person would die” is silly when we’re talking about an all-powerful creator of the universe. Such a God can do anything at all with His creation.”
True, but I wouldn’t chastise us for pondering his mighty works. I think God wrote the Bible in a special way that causes his creatures to question and chew and scratch their heads and debate and consider and ponder and wonder and might come up with some profound insight that makes us stand back in awe.
Because God is not afraid of truth, neither am I. I can pursue it to the ends of the universe and God isn’t nervous that I might ever discover his Word is just a facade or that He is merely Oz behind the curtain.
When I am sitting or rising or walking or diving or cycling I can ponder nature and science and even question God with eyes wide open. It is my favorite past time. We need to abhor what is false and love what is true and pursue it. That story about a guy surviving in a big fish is not true. The story of Jonah is. And as I dive with whales I will think about the resurrection.
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Oh, and for those of you who keep arguing that Jonah says ‘great fish’ you are right. The Hebrew word for fish is ‘dog’.
So if you ever want to order the fish in an Israeli restaurant just say, “I’ll have dog please!”
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… and since I speak Hebrew I should also point out that the Hebrew word for fish doesn’t distinguish between mammals and non-mammals. Whales are also called fish as it is translated in Job 7:12. And Jonah’s fish is interpreted as whale in the KJV version in Matt 12:40.
So don’t be too hard on people who say whale …
… but regardless, it was a miracle meant to symbolize the resurrection. The OT is chock full of such illustrations of what Jesus Christ would accomplish (Gal 3:24).
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Xion, thanks for the note in 68; I didn’t know that. I did know that the distinction between fish and water mammal wouldn’t have been important, but not that they used the same word.
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