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		<title>By: TE</title>
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		<dc:creator>TE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 04:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s called FREEDOM. ..  .In otw, if it ain&#039;t free. .. well, that&#039;s just dum.

I think I&#039;ve brought this up before; we tend to look at society as class-types. Uber-rich, rich, medium-rich, under-rich, upper-class, middle-class, lower-class, poor and impoverished. Then we break these into minorities and majorities class. What escapes those who &#039;think&#039; they are minorities, are only minorities because of social status; and not by color, creed, sexual preference, or nationality.

Listening to a Conservative Radio station the other day, the host asked some folks standing in a line, hoping to get some $3500 in stimulus money; Why are you here?. ..  To get the money .. .What money?. . .. .Obama money. . . ..Where did he get it?. . .. .I don&#039;t know, maybe his stash, but we are here to get some money. Obama. .Obama. .Obama. . .

Completely clueless; it grows on trees? Someone has got to wake up the people who want handouts, that when it&#039;s gone, it&#039;s gone. Yep, personal responsibility has taken a back seat to government. As long as it&#039;s got &#039;FREE&#039; attached to it, there will always be those who are willing to take it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s called FREEDOM. ..  .In otw, if it ain&#8217;t free. .. well, that&#8217;s just dum.</p>
<p>I think I&#8217;ve brought this up before; we tend to look at society as class-types. Uber-rich, rich, medium-rich, under-rich, upper-class, middle-class, lower-class, poor and impoverished. Then we break these into minorities and majorities class. What escapes those who &#8216;think&#8217; they are minorities, are only minorities because of social status; and not by color, creed, sexual preference, or nationality.</p>
<p>Listening to a Conservative Radio station the other day, the host asked some folks standing in a line, hoping to get some $3500 in stimulus money; Why are you here?. ..  To get the money .. .What money?. . .. .Obama money. . . ..Where did he get it?. . .. .I don&#8217;t know, maybe his stash, but we are here to get some money. Obama. .Obama. .Obama. . .</p>
<p>Completely clueless; it grows on trees? Someone has got to wake up the people who want handouts, that when it&#8217;s gone, it&#8217;s gone. Yep, personal responsibility has taken a back seat to government. As long as it&#8217;s got &#8216;FREE&#8217; attached to it, there will always be those who are willing to take it.
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		<title>By: Joel Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No problem, Spinoza.  It&#039;s gone!  In fact, I never really saw it there.  I have been a conservative for decades and Social Darwinism has little impact or influence on such thinking that I know of.  So rest assured.  Today&#039;s conservatives mostly keep their focus on principles of liberty, trusting in God more than money, equal opportunity for all, personal responsibility and incentive rising from the sort of economic justice wherein the hard worker can keep the bulk of the fruit of his/her labor.  I&#039;m not sure where Social Darwinism overlaps with that but if it does, it&#039;s rather coincidental ideologically - in my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No problem, Spinoza.  It&#8217;s gone!  In fact, I never really saw it there.  I have been a conservative for decades and Social Darwinism has little impact or influence on such thinking that I know of.  So rest assured.  Today&#8217;s conservatives mostly keep their focus on principles of liberty, trusting in God more than money, equal opportunity for all, personal responsibility and incentive rising from the sort of economic justice wherein the hard worker can keep the bulk of the fruit of his/her labor.  I&#8217;m not sure where Social Darwinism overlaps with that but if it does, it&#8217;s rather coincidental ideologically &#8211; in my opinion.
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		<title>By: Spinoza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spinoza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Social Darwinism Bad - could we please purge it from conservative thinking about economics?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Social Darwinism Bad &#8211; could we please purge it from conservative thinking about economics?
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		<title>By: Joel Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Social Darwinism is one of the main reasons that institutional vestiges of racism lingered so long after the Civil War.  It is also why so many blacks flocked to Baptist and Methodist churches, and others--where Social Darwinism was being opposed and decried (even as academia often praised it).  Disclaimer:  I am generalizing!  But in the late 19th century, churches were among the few places African-Americans found some measure of common respect.  Of course many anecdotal exceptions to this can be noted all over the spectrum.  

This also explains, historically, why racism and progressivism thrived together for so long -- Woodrow Wilson being a primary example.  Also, as late as the 40s, FDR had little trouble interning the Japanese unjustly and the nation did not object like it should have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Social Darwinism is one of the main reasons that institutional vestiges of racism lingered so long after the Civil War.  It is also why so many blacks flocked to Baptist and Methodist churches, and others&#8211;where Social Darwinism was being opposed and decried (even as academia often praised it).  Disclaimer:  I am generalizing!  But in the late 19th century, churches were among the few places African-Americans found some measure of common respect.  Of course many anecdotal exceptions to this can be noted all over the spectrum.  </p>
<p>This also explains, historically, why racism and progressivism thrived together for so long &#8212; Woodrow Wilson being a primary example.  Also, as late as the 40s, FDR had little trouble interning the Japanese unjustly and the nation did not object like it should have.
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		<title>By: Spinoza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spinoza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;My point is that if the constitution or any other founding docmt were interpreted the same way a lease contract gets interpreted, there’d be less for the “evolvers” to tweak and tinker with.&lt;/i&gt;

It wasn&#039;t written that way, and it wasn&#039;t the founder&#039;s intention that it be interpreted that way. Nor is the Bible a manual dictated directly by a deity that spells out how to act with precise and unambiguous interpretation.  

It is a flaw of weak and sheepish minds to want to adhere to a book or document that spells everything out and obviates the need to actually have to &lt;b&gt;think&lt;/b&gt; responsibly about complex circumstances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>My point is that if the constitution or any other founding docmt were interpreted the same way a lease contract gets interpreted, there’d be less for the “evolvers” to tweak and tinker with.</i></p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t written that way, and it wasn&#8217;t the founder&#8217;s intention that it be interpreted that way. Nor is the Bible a manual dictated directly by a deity that spells out how to act with precise and unambiguous interpretation.  </p>
<p>It is a flaw of weak and sheepish minds to want to adhere to a book or document that spells everything out and obviates the need to actually have to <b>think</b> responsibly about complex circumstances.
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		<title>By: Spinoza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spinoza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Social Darwinism&quot; and biological evolution have nothing to do with each other. 

&quot;Social Darwinism&quot; is a legacy of conservatives like Ronald Reagan
who believed that free market competition works by the power of &quot;natural selection&quot; to optimize economic advantage to society as a whole. If you think it&#039;s optimum to have an uber-rich class exploiting poor people, you will like this idea.

Anti-Darwinists before &quot;social darwinism,&quot; like William Jennings Bryan, were extemely progressive politically and opposed uber-
capitalism as being darwinist.

I get the impression that Bradley Watson (and more conservatives) needs to read Charles Dickens. Scrooge is the prototypical social darwinist conservative (which, as I say, has little to do with biological Darwinism).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Social Darwinism&#8221; and biological evolution have nothing to do with each other. </p>
<p>&#8220;Social Darwinism&#8221; is a legacy of conservatives like Ronald Reagan<br />
who believed that free market competition works by the power of &#8220;natural selection&#8221; to optimize economic advantage to society as a whole. If you think it&#8217;s optimum to have an uber-rich class exploiting poor people, you will like this idea.</p>
<p>Anti-Darwinists before &#8220;social darwinism,&#8221; like William Jennings Bryan, were extemely progressive politically and opposed uber-<br />
capitalism as being darwinist.</p>
<p>I get the impression that Bradley Watson (and more conservatives) needs to read Charles Dickens. Scrooge is the prototypical social darwinist conservative (which, as I say, has little to do with biological Darwinism).
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		<title>By: Sawgunner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sawgunner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>19 Roy Clay,
My point is that if the constitution or any other founding docmt were interpreted the same way a lease contract gets interpreted, there&#039;d be less for the &quot;evolvers&quot; to tweak and tinker with. You dont hear anyone say &quot;Oh the less meant such and such in Jan but here it is Nov and now it actually means..&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>19 Roy Clay,<br />
My point is that if the constitution or any other founding docmt were interpreted the same way a lease contract gets interpreted, there&#8217;d be less for the &#8220;evolvers&#8221; to tweak and tinker with. You dont hear anyone say &#8220;Oh the less meant such and such in Jan but here it is Nov and now it actually means..&#8221;
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		<title>By: royclay</title>
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		<dc:creator>royclay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sawgunner @ 16

Interesting.

I do agree with those who hold that life is continually evolving.  To me, this is strong evidence of the creative nature of God - that he is, through this mechanism, continuously involved in the creative act.

As for jurisprudence, how can it &lt;b&gt;not&lt;/b&gt; be evolving?  Basic principles and frameworks certainly may be fixed, certainly, but there are cases that need to be decided which the founding fathers never could have anticipated.   And our understanding as a society of how those principles in the Constitution apply in a practical way to our everyday lives, certainly does change over time, as laws are passed and as cases are decided by courts.

More, there are parts where the Constitution is, for want of a better word, vague.  I don&#039;t believe that&#039;s by accident.  The framers were smart, many (most?) of them lawyers, and had they had a clear consensus and intent, they could have written that clearly.  So where it is deliberately vague, then there are two possibilities - either there was no consensus, so there is no original intent there to appeal to, or else there is intent for future generations to struggle and find the meaning there for themselves and their unique circumstances.</description>
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<p>Interesting.</p>
<p>I do agree with those who hold that life is continually evolving.  To me, this is strong evidence of the creative nature of God &#8211; that he is, through this mechanism, continuously involved in the creative act.</p>
<p>As for jurisprudence, how can it <b>not</b> be evolving?  Basic principles and frameworks certainly may be fixed, certainly, but there are cases that need to be decided which the founding fathers never could have anticipated.   And our understanding as a society of how those principles in the Constitution apply in a practical way to our everyday lives, certainly does change over time, as laws are passed and as cases are decided by courts.</p>
<p>More, there are parts where the Constitution is, for want of a better word, vague.  I don&#8217;t believe that&#8217;s by accident.  The framers were smart, many (most?) of them lawyers, and had they had a clear consensus and intent, they could have written that clearly.  So where it is deliberately vague, then there are two possibilities &#8211; either there was no consensus, so there is no original intent there to appeal to, or else there is intent for future generations to struggle and find the meaning there for themselves and their unique circumstances.
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		<title>By: news2me</title>
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		<dc:creator>news2me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evolution is so controversial even among Christians or Evangelicals or whatever some people are referred to these days.

Dawkins thread got over 300 hits.
Will this thread surpass that number?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evolution is so controversial even among Christians or Evangelicals or whatever some people are referred to these days.</p>
<p>Dawkins thread got over 300 hits.<br />
Will this thread surpass that number?
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		<title>By: news2me</title>
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		<dc:creator>news2me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;pretty sure&quot;? Random #9

&quot;I’m pretty sure there is no there there…&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;pretty sure&#8221;? Random #9</p>
<p>&#8220;I’m pretty sure there is no there there…&#8221;
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