Keep voter guides out of church
I may get in trouble with my conservative friends for this: I am in favor of developing voter guides from a Christian perspective but I’m not in favor of distributing them at church.
Perhaps you’ve seen these guides made available at church entryways or have found them under your windshield wipers after a Sunday service. No doubt, voter guides are effective.
I’m active in our local Republican Party, represent my precinct as Republican committeeman, and I’ve run for public office (lost by 0.9 percent) and helped the Christian Coalition in the early 1990s to organize at the county level. So why I am opposed to distributing voter guides at church? In short, the purpose of attending church is to worship God by the reading of Scripture, listening to the preached Word, singing, partaking in the sacraments, making offerings, and praying. When you have time, consider chapter 21 of the Westminster Confession of Faith. Politics, although important, do not belong alongside worship, other than to pray for our political leaders.
By mixing God’s Word with politics, we detract from its power. It also can cause the church to lose focus on its mission and cause others to turn away from the worshiping body.
Although voter guides are mostly associated with right-leaning Christians, it may be instructive to consider a left-leaning initiative. As I mentioned last week, the organization Faith for Health is representing some left-leaning denominations in its effort to promote big government healthcare reform. Among other things, Faith for Health is distributing Biblically questionable healthcare guides in churches and synagogues. Not only am I opposed to this primarily because of adding politics to the worship environment, I think such efforts can needlessly cause church division.
The Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), for example, is a Faith for Health coalition member. According to the Pew Forum’s U.S. Religious Landscape Survey, the political makeup of the PC(USA)’s (declining) membership is 53 percent Republican or Republican-leaning and 40 percent Democrat or Democrat-leaning. The possibility of a politicized healthcare reform initiative fomenting further division in an already deeply divided church is self-evident.
Now, let’s consider right-leaning churches. The Pew Forum reveals that “Nondenominational Evangelical Churches (Evangelical Tradition)” tip 70 percent for Republicans and 19 percent for Democrats. Distributing right-leaning voter guides in these churches may be politically expedient but what is the affect on worship and the worshiping body, which has 80,000 Democrats among its membership?
Voter guides, yes. Distributing them in church, no.

















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I haven’t seen the voter guides in quite some time, but I recall that they were non-partisan. The questions in the candidate surveys were carefully worded to be non-partisan, and the lists of those who supported and opposed initiatives were likewise non-partisan.
The point is that left-leaning church members should find no offense in the voter guides because those who create the guides send surveys to all the candidates, they report response/non-response, and they list supporters/opponents of initiatives from multiple political viewpoints.
The United States is unique in that we have a representative Republic, so it is our duty as Christians to be informed and to participate in all elections. It’s irresponsible as a church community to ’stay neutral’ or fail to inform the congregation of believers about candidates and issues that affect the church.
It is this kind of foolish philosophy that has put the Church in its current position of fearing government retaliation for speaking out; taking away tax exemptions, etc. WE got them elected over the past two centuries by thinking it was somehow inappropriate to bring the issues of the day into the church.
Nothing demonstrates a denial of the power of God more than cowering under the rule of a government gag rule on free speech in the church. The Apostles “Could not help but speak”, even under the cruel and oppressive rule of tyrants.
What wimps we’ve become – no wonder we’re in the position we’re in!
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Voter guides–esp when put out by proLife groups– are truly “preaching to the choir” among most serious evangelicals. I truly dont see how county surveyor or dog catcher has any bearing on Roe being reversed/remanded etc.
If I owned a restaurant I think I’d put the voter guides in the newspaper display case mounted up above the men’s urinals.
But that is just me.
And like this post’s author, I’m Rightward and ProLife-Libertarian leaning my own self. Always funnest to argue from that perspective within the D party!!
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I’ve never seen voter guides in my 5 years with the PCA. How widespread a practice is this?
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If one cannot figure out how to vote on one’s own, perhaps one should not vote.
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‘By mixing God’s Word with politics,”
This is a false dichotomy. There is no need to split the two as if there is no intersection. God’s Word connects with all of life including politics.
“we detract from its power.” This demonstrates a myopic view of God’s power.
” It also can cause the church to lose focus on its mission” – The system of institutionalized church has many bad habits by which it has lost focus on it’s mission, but this is not one of them.
“and cause others to turn away from the worshiping body” – There are many valid reasons why unbelievers might turn away from a worshiping body and this is one that is worth keeping. It is not the church’s mission to stop doing everything offensive to unbelievers.
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Sawgunner – I experienced this first-hand in San Diego several years ago, watching a candidate for some ‘inconsequential’ office working her way up the political ladder until she became the “republican” mayor – and enacted the unconstitutional ‘bubble law’ that prevented pro-life people from existing within 100 feet of an abortion clinic.
Had she continued in politics, she might have been in the legislature, congress or the governorship, making more ridiculous rulings.
It matters what they believe, whether they’re running for dog-catcher or police chief – your vote advances their careers.
Adios – it’s near impossible for the average working person to sort out the lies from the truth during campaign season, let alone the volumes of information – all in “legalese”. It’s perfectly reasonable to expect a nicely prepared ‘executive summary’ of the candidates and issues prepared by a trustworthy source. I’ve received mailers from this group or that with their endorsements – generally they’re full of lies! “The Republican such-and-such”, “The Firefighters this-and-that” – made-up groups to grab the casual voter by affiliation or passion, hoping they don’t have time to do their own research.
Politics is dirty – the Christian Coalition guides are prepared to help navigate dangerous waters, to help us be wise as serpents while being harmless as doves (Mt. 10:16).
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I agree with Lee. I go to church to hear God’s Word. If I wanted to go to a political meeting, I would go to one. They’re easy enough to find.
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I agree with all of that Lee from a Christian perspective. Worship and politics don’t mix.
However, I resent the misinterpretation of the 1st amendment that allows Congress to have any jurisdiction about anything that is said in church, unless it is determined to be seditious as is the case with many mosques across the country.
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Bird 11.09.09 AT 5:49 PM
I agree with Lee. I go to church to hear God’s Word. If I wanted to go to a political meeting, I would go to one. They’re easy enough to find.
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All these voter guides do is ask each person running for office the same question. Then they post of for or against the question. If the person does not answer they put in N/A. That is it.
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“Voter guides, yes. Distributing them in church, no.”
I agree with this. I grew up in a church that was not political. All we heard the Sunday before election day was a reminder to do our civic duty and vote.
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As a current pastor and former Christian Coalition field director (also in the early 90s), I couldn’t disagree with you more.
Yes, church is for worship and to hear and be taught God’s Word. But, part of our faith is to take God’s truth into this world. The reason the secular progressives have all but secularized this nation is because the Church (the sleeping giant) did nothing to stop them for decades. We have had next to no witness in the arena of public ideas or opinion. We continue to be marginalized more and more today as our nation hears less and less of the message of hope we have to bring.
Our people deserve to hear the truth about those we place over us in authority. Groups who research candidates on a range of issues often cut through the “spin” from the campaigns and the press and give voters a real picture of what the potential leaders will do in office.
No, I don’t think any church should be overly pushy with voter guides. And, of course, no church should advocate any particular candidate or party. But, information is critical to vote intelligently. We will often not get the truth from politicians themselves. Most of the press has fallen down on their critical role to report the truth to the people, preferring instead to become advocates (usually for the left).
Without groups informing us as to who will agree with our views on issues, we are often “shooting in the dark” when we vote. I remember how many people thought Ross Perot was a political “savior” before the 1992 presidential election. But, when people learned that he advocated abortion rights and homosexual marriage, they realized he was mostly image with little substance.
Yes, worship is a special and sacred time and place, but most churches have both a sanctuary and a narthex. In the sanctuary, the focus should be on the Lord. But, after worship when we depart through the narthex back into the world, we need to be armed with the truth to “fight the good fight.” Let’s keep voter guides in the narthex to keep our people prepared to be Christian citizens.
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“Without groups informing us as to who will agree with our views on issues….” -We
I’m a bit concerned about your reference to “our views.” You appear to suggest that there is some orthodox political stance that Christians are to adopt.
I also notice the absence of any Biblical reasoning in your comment. Your reasoning is purely pragmatic. Where in Chapter 21 of the WCF did you see this kind of reasoning commended?
Furthermore, the there is no sound basis for making a spatial distinction between various rooms in a church’s meeting space. If it’s wrong to distribute voter guides in the “santuary,” then it’s wrong to distribute them in the “narthex.” The Sabbath command relates to the day, not the physical place!
Lastly, the makers of these voter guides are just as guilty of “spin” as anyone. For example, you mention Ross Perot with disapproval because you allege that did not condemn gay marriage. Well, Dick Cheney didn’t condemn it either, but I don’t recall seeing too many right-wing voter guides that highlighted that fact.
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I believe that everyone should be able to obtain information from people with similar viewpoints. I don’t mind spin, at least I get some information. All want is to find out what people running for office believe, with respect to my views and concerns.
The mainstream press doesn’t concern itself with my views or concerns. Why can’t a pastor or other Christian let other Christians know what views are held by those running for office? Or referendums that will affect me. I agree with #11. The liberal bias has decimated the Biblical view by convincing Christians they don’t have a seat at the public idea table. Just worship God, any god. The Bible makes it clear we are to be good neighbors. This has a social component. That is the purpose of a voter guide. How can we be good neighbors, and obey the Lord’s commandments’, if we don’t know the beliefs of the people we are supposed to vote for? If we had an unbiased press that gave both sides without bias, maybe we wouldn’t need voters guides.
There were very few Supreme Court justices put in place by liberals who vote conservative, but there quite a few placed by supposedly conservative presidents who vote liberal. If a president, with all the information available to him, can’t figure out what a person believes, how am I, an ordinary citizen, supposed to know what judges, or council members, believe in and who to vote for? Prominent pastor’s can interview these people, I can’t. If you don’t agree with the voter guide, you don’t have to vote that way.
I prefer published surveys of peoples views on pertinent topics. People who refuse to respond to surveys on topics I vote on, have in fact revealed their view on those topics.
It is very frustrating to sit down to vote and not have any real information to base your decision on. I have spent hours searching for any information on candidates I want to support. Unfortunately, until that kind of information is widely available, I will keep relying in voters guides.
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There’s no reason why you need to distribute that information at church. It would take you 5 minutes to find it online.
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#11 WeThePeople
My question is “Shouldn’t Christians be more like Christ?” Did Jesus “get out the vote”? Did he mount a political campaign to fund cleaner sewers or to pave the roads? Did he hold concerts to raise awareness about injustice in Rome? Did he petition to free any slaves? What about foreign affairs, education, the economy, etc.? He healed a few sick and fed a few hungry but his food was spiritual, to do God’s will and proclaim his Word.
As citizens of the United States, Christians have every right to participate in the political system and speak our mind and promote any cause. Go for it! But the world political systems have very little to do with the mission of the church. Generally they try to hinder it.
Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world”. The sum of the message from Jesus and his disciples on civic duty is to pay your taxes and obey the law. In other words, be good citizens. That’s it!
As Christians we have dual citizenship. We are citizens of another country, a heavenly one. The good news is about an eternal message about an eternal land which is given freely by God to undeserving man to those who believe.
The Bible clearly teaches a separation of church and state (unlike the ridiculous interpretation of the Supreme Court). Be involved as you want in politics, but don’t choke the profound message of the Word with the cares and affairs of this life. If you do, then you are entering thorny ground.
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RSD,
The vast majority of Evangelical Christians believe the intentional killing of a pre-born child in the womb is murder – see Exodus 20 for that reference. We also believe that marriage is between one man and one woman – Genesis 3, several passages of Jesus in the Gospels, and the Apostle Paul in a few different letters. These are just two of the issues that you will find very little disagreement among Christians. Should we not have the right to know where politicians stand on these important ethical issues? Other issues could be included here, but space is limited.
As far as my use of the terms “sanctuary” (not “santuary”) and “narthex”, these were used metaphorically to denote what occurs there in most churches, not some artificial division of “court of Israel” vs. “Holy of Holies.” In almost 30 years of ministry, it has been my experience that there is very little worship happening in the narthex of a church. Generally it is a place of fellowship, conversation, and social interaction. In the sanctuary, some of that may also happen, but the sanctuary is the place where worship is generally held.
Further, I refrained from taking an extended period of time to cite specific verses to make my argument, not because they don’t exist, but because of the spatial constraints of this blog. Perhaps I have “fleshed out” my faith into the realm of being witness to this world more than has been your experience. Let me just say that when Paul talks in Romans 13 about obeying the government, which is established by God, he was dealing with a totalitarian regime in the Roman Empire. Using his teaching to apply to us, it necessary follows that in a representative democracy, “we the people” are Caesar, or more properly, we elect Caesar. If the government fails to live up to its God-given responsibility – to promote good and punish evil, then it is incumbent upon us to change it. We can’t do that effectively if we are uninformed. The voter guides I helped produce and distribute didn’t have “spin” in them. Significant polling was done as to what were the most important issues to most church people. The results led to the questions which were asked of the candidates. They were generally both ethical and economic. I’m sorry if your voter guide experience was much more limited. I know here in my state there are non-partisan pro-family groups that send thorough questionnaires to candidates and publish the results for the good of all voters.
Finally, you miss-stated what I said about Ross Perot. He didn’t fail to condemn homosexual marriage. He took the position that he intended to promote it via his “bully pulpit” had he become President. You have also miss-characterized Dick Cheney’s stance on the issue. Of course he didn’t condemn his daughter, what loving parent would, despite her life choice. But, Cheney stated more than once that he believed in the traditional definition of marriage – one man and one woman – the same as the overwhelming majority of Americans and Christians.
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Xion,
Of course I think we Christians should be like Jesus. But, we don’t live in the same time and place Jesus did. None of your opening questions is relevant. The Roman Empire was a place without any democracy, especially for non-citizen Jews. Of course Jesus didn’t advocate political upheaval. It would have only resulted in death for His followers. His mission was to bring salvation to mankind; not be a “community organizer.”
We are living 2000 years later in a very different world. Our faith is still the same – obeying Jesus’ Lordship to fulfill the Great Commission – but our responsibilities are far different than that of the disciples. You are right, in Jesus’ day being a good citizen meant two things – paying Roman taxes and obeying Roman law. But, it we Christians are still to be good citizens today, much more is expected of us. We are part of the government. They were not. We are directly responsible for the good or bad civic leadership we get. They had no say in that.
I agree, our real home is in heaven. But, we have been charged with living in this world until then. Shall we cloister ourselves in isolation until we die or the Lord comes? That’s been tried before by both saints and cultists. It doesn’t work.
We are to be “salt” and “light” in this world. Shouldn’t that include what kind of government we assent to rule over us?
The Church can’t go on sticking its collective head in the sand while the society and the government institutionalizes paganism and atheism as our nation’s unofficial, official religion. How are we loving our neighbors as ourselves if we allow them to be brainwashed by lies; cheated by corruption; and manipulated by demagogues?
Look back over the great social movements of our nation’s history and you will find Christians at either the genesis or the heart of each. When our society turned evil, God has raised up prophetic voices to call the people back to repentance and truth. Are we now saying that this is no longer a role for the Church? If we don’t speak our against evil, who will? If we don’t strive to protect the helpless, who will? Of course, we do these things in Jesus’ Name since He is our motivator. And, of course we know that any social and societal change must begin with a changed human heart – a life redeemed by the Lord. But, to artificially divorce Jesus from everyday life is certainly not Christian. It is purely selfish.
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Wethepeople, you say, “But, to artificially divorce Jesus from everyday life is certainly not Christian. It is purely selfish.” Your assumption seems to be that if we aren’t involved in politics, then we aren’t making our Christianity speak to our everyday lives.
In fact, there is some truth, in an American sense, that “we” are the government. But from a Christian sense, we are called to BE the church (and to submit to the government and be good citizens, not to “demand our rights”). Being the church is primary, and the Christ-authorized sphere in which to do our good works. For a few of us, that will involve government jobs, or jobs (or volunteer work) interacting with the government. For most of us, being good citizens won’t involve much interaction with the government at all. But the mark of a good Christian has nothing to do with the level of government involvement. It has to do with how well we fulfill our calling to live out the life of the church, to love and worship God and love and serve our neighbors. (And honestly, care for unwed mothers and their babies on a personal level will do more even for the political aspects of abortion than politics ever will.)
And I think if you hang around here much, you’ll find Xion advocating such things.
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Maybe, in other words, our American system of government has actually distracted us–we’ve become more concerned with being “part of the government” and less concerned about being good citizens of the kingdom of heaven. Modern politics takes up more of our time and attention than people normally devote to their government, and perhaps that is, for the church, more bad than good. I’m in favor of electing pro-life legislators, personally, but I’m not sure ultimately it will do very much good. Politically we’ve gained little if any ground in 30 years, and may have actually lost ground. Perhaps being the church–being involved with the poor, including teenage moms and their children–is a far more “effective,” not to mention more godly, strategy in the long run. The pregnancy center near my home actually saves lives (and cares for babies after they’re born)–how many laws have done so?
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We,
First, it is unavailing that the vast majority of evangelicals believe that abortion is murder and/or are opposed to gay civil marriage. Survey after survey has shown that at least about 30% of evangelicals do not believe that early-term abortion is necessarily murder. In fact, not until the late 1970s did any substantial number of Protestants join Catholics in advocating the view that life begins at conception. While you may disagree with this minority, you are not entitled to bind folks’ conscience on the issue. In fact, this minority view is more consistent with the historic thrust of Protestant ethics than yours.
Second, please show me in Scripture where the Sabbath command refers to spatial arrangements within a building and not to the day itself. Your distinction smacks of gnat-straining to me.
Third, Jesus’ words about the Christian’s relation to the civil magistrate are just as germane today as they were 2000 years ago. I agree that Christians’ engagement in civic affairs should be motivated by a commitment to Christ. But it is not the church’s place to become entangled by such affairs. I’m not arguing for a hard separation of church and state. But if the two become conflated, the gospel ultimately suffers. You seem to have draw a false distinction between secularism and theonomy. There is simply no reason why Christians’ civic involvement needs to benefit from indicia of ecclesial approval.
Fourth, you take Romans 13 words too literally. In fact, other passages, such as those quoted by Xion, would make no sense in the face of your strained reading of Romans 13. As Romans 8 makes clear, our hope is in Christ’s return, not in representative democracy. I fear that politics has become a bit of an idol for you.
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Cheryl D,
Although we don’t generally agree on this blog, I appreciate your comments above. Maybe that’s evidence that we’re both Reformed Presbyterians.
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LEE W.: Voter guides, yes. Distributing them in church, no.
FRANK: I think it’s important to define what is meant by “in church.”
If you mean, “at some time that is immediately proximate to the worship service” (i.e., just before or after), I think I’d agree.
But if you mean, “nowhere on church property, at any time during the week,” then I would disagree.
One of the jobs of the church is to teach its members how to live biblically in this world, and voting and political participation is one of life’s activities that should be brought into submission to God’s Word. Taking measures to educate its members in particular — and the public in general — on issues and candidates is a legitimate activity of the church.
So while it may be inappropriate for the deacons to pass voting guides out before or during the worship service, I would have no problem at all with the pastor mentioning during the pre- or post-worship announcements that voters guides are available in the fellowship hall or the church library, either after the service or sometime during the week.
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I have never seen a voter guide anywhere near, in, close, etc. to church and I agree with Lee that that’s how it should be. I also appreciate Xion’s post (#15).
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I was thinking; is it not an unwarranted artifice to separate the political activity of the Believer from his/her Worship of Christ? And does not He who commands us to be salt and light in the public square expect our “politics” to be essentially an expression of our hearts true worship of the One True Ruler of the Universe?
In a democratic republic the believing electorate must be informed so that they can subject their Christ commanded influence to His wishes as revealed in the Handbook He has given. More simply put: I worship Christ as I subject my political involvement to His Word as much as eg. my moral and other choices are subjected to His Word. If the local Church is teaching ground for moral behavior-why not also for “political” matters? What say ye?
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NJLawyer 11.09.09 AT 6:48 PM
“Voter guides, yes. Distributing them in church, no.”
I agree with this. I grew up in a church that was not political. All we heard the Sunday before election day was a reminder to do our civic duty and vote.
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most church tell the people that the voter guide is here and put them on a table.
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Agreed that they shouldnt be distributed as in passed out “Here take one!”
They are seldom mentioned actually and the stack seldom dwindles. I’m gonna say that Christians and other proLifers are probably far more educated than the Voter Guide folks or their pastors give them credit for.
Dem candidates always have “chose not to respond” on conservative voter guides.
I’ve not seen too many progressive voter guides but I assume in theirs the conservatives are the “chose not to respond” folks
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Still amazes me that even after Martin Luther King, Joseph Lowry and a host of politicized ministers, the Left still shudders at the thought of a Moral Majority or Christian Coalition.
The CC ex-boss Ralph Reed was a lobbyist for the horse track gambling and lottery industry. He lost a lot of credibility with many folks who had previously given him credibility that is.
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Sawgunner – why is it ok with the Left of Obama to go into Church and campain but it is wrong for Christian to have a voter guide.
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why is it ok with the Left for Obama to go into Church and campain but it is wrong for Christian to have a voter guide.
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Pastor Roy, am I wrong in assuming that you are saying that there are only two categories?
1-the “Left” for Obama
2-Christians
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hopesprings 11.10.09 AT 12:08 PM
Pastor Roy, am I wrong in assuming that you are saying that there are only two categories?
1-the “Left” for Obama
2-Christians
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Not at all, it seems that it is wrong for a Republican to go into a Church to campaign on a Sunday morning or a Pastor to speak from the pulpit about political issues. or hand out a voter guide.
But it is ok for Obama and the Democratic Party to go into a Church to campaign on a Sunday morning or a Pastor who support Obama to speak from the pulpit about political issues.
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As someone who has used the voter guides in church before, I have since changed my tune, and couldn’t agree more with Lee. And no one is fooled by the “non-partisan” approach. Only issues related to a specific side are usually highlighted. But at the same time, there are real issues that should be talked about from a Christian perspective from the pulpit, even though a person’s political sensibility may be offended. Hopefully, we can offend the political sensibilities of both sides, because Christ is usually much more challenging to our politics than our party opinions allow.
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#21 RSD “Although we don’t generally agree on this blog, I appreciate your comments above. Maybe that’s evidence that we’re both Reformed Presbyterians. “
I appreciate Cheryl’s comments too. Does this mean I suddenly become a Reformed Presbyterian?
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#17 WeThePeople
Thank you for a civil debate on an important topic. I think you mischaracterize my position though. I am not arguing that Christians should become cloistered away from the world or stick their heads in the sand. Quite the contrary. I thought I made it very clear that I think you should be as involved in this world as you like. Go out and change America for the good. I might be right behind you.
However, I disagree with you that Jesus’ behavior toward the state had something to do with the period of history he appeared in, which has no application to us. I believe that everything Jesus did was deliberate, eternally calculated to provide a perfect example for us. A disciple follows his teacher.
Christianity transcends culture, unlike Islam which is all about a particular culture and a particular period in history. Rome was far worse than America and Jesus seemed to impose a gag order on himself. It does not matter how the culture of this world changes; God’s word and principles are eternal.
Jesus could have cured worldwide poverty and hunger instantly. He had the power to calm storms, but he calmed only one. He had the power to cure disease, but he only cured a few. He could have spent his time stunning Roman politicians with his wisdom and could have become a real catalyst for Roman change solving all their economic woes. He did not.
He chose rather to change hearts, which affected the whole world. When his bloody feet left this world, it would never be the same again. And yet, his focus was solely on the things of God ignoring almost completely the cares and affairs of state. Jesus was down to earth, caring for those around him, while espousing the eternal. What’s not to love about Him?
Given that this entire life is only a puff of smoke, how much energy should you dedicate to civic matters when the awesome expanse of eternity lies before those whom you touch every day?
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Christianity is based on a myth. People are not born of virgins and do not rise from the dead.
Christianity has had 2,000 years to prove it has something special to offer in terms of the running of the world. It is not the worst system of belief ever to gather in millions of followers, but it is not anything special. Why it still exerts such a magnetic hold on people is mysterious, though it seems to have something to do with hope for life after death.
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Random Name 11.10.09 AT 10:22 PM
Christianity is based on a myth. People are not born of virgins and do not rise from the dead.
Christianity has had 2,000 years to prove it has something special to offer in terms of the running of the world.
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sorry Christianity has no desire to run the world.
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Cheryl,
I am in no way suggesting that the only way to live out our faith is to be involved in politics. I was speaking only to the topic as presented. There are many ways to live out our Christian faith.
I applaud you for also mentioning the other end of the abortion issue – caring for those in crisis pregnancy. Of course we should be doing that. We have over 3,000 crisis pregnancy centers across this country. They get almost no press in the abortion debate.
But, the evil of abortion needs to be attacked from both sides – prevention and recovery. The brutal reality is that Planned Parenthood makes about 300 million dollars a year killing babies. They also receive hundreds of millions of tax dollars each year from the government to promote their agenda. That is money we are all paying.
Yes, we need to care for the women who are considering this terrible choice. But, we must also work to end the massacre in the first place. 95 – 98% of all abortions are for “birth control.” They have nothing to do with, rape, incest, or the mother’s life being in danger.
This is only one issue we should be speaking prophetically to the world about. There are many other issues and many other ways to live out our faith.
The political arena is one in which Christians decided to extract themselves about 50-60 years ago. The society as a whole has suffered as a result. If we are to be good citizens for Christ, should we not be informed citizens? That is my only point. We are of little benefit to this world or God’s Kingdom if we blindly vote without knowing who we are electing to rule over us. Who should we trust to tell us the truth about where candidates stand on issues? The campaigns? The secular press? Or should we put some trust in dedicated fellow Christians who are seeking to get the truth out for the benefit of all?
If each of us has to spend the time doing all our own research, then politics can become far to time-consuming for most of us. If we have a trusted source to rely upon, then we can be confident of our votes without having to do all the “legwork” ourselves.
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RSD,
I think you are more than skewing your statistics to promote your position. I know of no evangelical or fundamental denomination that approves of abortion. In fact, most of them have very clear statements opposing abortion. I know of no evangelical or fundamental leader who has come out in favor of abortion. In fact quite the opposite is true. The only protestant denominations that promote abortion are the “main line” theologically and socially left entities. These are the same denominations that have been losing membership by the millions over the past 30 years.
The “minority view” you espouse as fitting traditional Protestant thought is also incorrect. Protestant condemnation of abortion goes all the way back to Martin Luther. Only when the church became radicalized by the left in the 60s did this change. Many of the more fundamental denominations were uninformed until the mid 80s. But, after that, they got on board with much fervor and enthusiasm.
If indeed there are 30% of evangelicals who view abortion as a “good”, then they are those who are ignorant as to its reality. Perhaps we haven’t done a good enough job to teach them the truth amidst all of the lies told them by the secular education system in this nation. The biological realities haven’t changed – life begins at conception. Only those who have an agenda have challenged this fact. When was the last time you heard women talking about going to a “fetus shower”?
As far a my “gnat straining”, it seems to me you are the one who has belabored the point about worship locales to the point of absurdity.
I am not suggesting that the Church needs to put some kind of stamp of approval on politics. Christians need to decide for themselves just how involved they feel their faith dictates to them. My point has simply been that in order to be good citizens, we need to be informed citizens. (See my previous comment to Cheryl.)
I agree that the church ruling the state or the state ruling the church is equally disastrous. But, I have not suggested such in any of my comments. I merely make the argument that we are all part of this nation and its government. Our voices needs to be heard.
You are contradictory in your criticisms of me. First, you demand Biblical citations for my positions, then you accuse me of taking “Romans 13 words too literally.” Perhaps my exegesis is a bit more thorough than yours on this passage?
Also, I never said our ultimate hope is in representative democracy. Again, your conclusion is erroneous. As a Biblical Christian, of course my ultimate hope is in Jesus Christ. It is His gift of salvation upon which my entire life is built.
I am merely advocating for Christians to be effective in this component of our society – as I stated previously – being “salt and light.”
I also assumed that Pharisaism was long dead. You pronouncement that “politics has become a bit of an idol for me” is disingenuous at best. You mistake passion about an important issue of our times for idolatry. The Church has ignored this component of our society for far too long. We cannot claim to be good citizens and remain ignorant.
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Wethepeople,
I agree with most (or all) of your last comment. I think that American Christians should try to be somewhat informed citizens, and should vote, and sometimes should sign petitions or call our representatives, and some of us may even run for office ourselves. But I truly don’t think we’ll change much at all by those choices. I think we do them anyway, as responsible citizens, with our prayers backing our political choices as well . . . but to spend much time in such activities is to misplace our priorities. An hour spent praying, or loving the poor, is better spent than an hour spent researching candidates. I’ve pretty much stopped signing petitions, for example (you sign one and you begin to be asked to sign more)–I don’t think it’s the best use of my time or even of my name.
Now, the reality is that I don’t always use my time wisely, and there may be a place when I can better use it in “political” ventures than in some of the other things I might be doing. And I think that the calling for men to be involved in the political sphere may be slightly higher than it is for me, as a woman–I personally don’t think I’d be an irresponsible Christian if I didn’t vote at all, since voting has to be WAY down the list of priorities for a Christian woman. But honestly, we vote in election after election, and the best we can get is an occasional “victory” on something as obvious as outlawing partial-birth abortion or not forcing people to pay for other people’s abortions. Might it not be possible that even in the political realm we would have had twice as many victories if we’d spent half as much time in political maneuvering and twice as much in caring for the poor? In being the church and not being “part of the government”? I suspect that is the case, that God’s power is behind the one more than the other, and our powerful witness is too (they will know we are Christians by our love, not by our correct votes).
Again, I’m not saying don’t vote . . . but that I think it is somewhat like what Christ said to the Pharisees about tithing so religiously they even tithed on their spices–this you ought to have done, and not left the other undone. Now, I do think that Christians have dealt with crisis pregnancy centers well, and with adopting orphans, and the like. But is there more we could have done, more that’s higher in priority than politics? I think the answer is yes. In fact, I think that if we lose our political freedoms altogether and with it our right to vote–though I sincerely hope we do not–it might in some sense free us to focus more totally on being the church. Still being good citizens of earth, yes, but realizing how much lower that really is in our list of priorities.
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(My response was to post 37; I was writing it while post 38 was being composed, apparently, and have not yet read it.)
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Lee I think I will have to disagree with you as well. If we are to SPEAK TRUTH in love then ignoring FALSEHOODS and misleading political propaganda only allows the falsehood to lead people astray. I know on many occasions JESUS challenged the RULING CLASS by calling them hypocrites and vipers. Those who where elected to RULE over the people were corrupt. IF God judged KINGS and nations in the past I can not fathom removing ourselves from CIVIL discourse or public debate on civil issues. WE are to be the LIGHT and the SALT of the earth. The problem from my perspective is NOT ENOUGH civil discourse is being discussed in our meeting places. It is like the old saying goes we are so heavenly minded we are no earthly good. Of course I really do not know how that saying makes any sense because if we were really that heavenly minded then we would be CHANGING the world for good.
Anyway that is my two cents worth. Eagle out.
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