“Going to the root” of poverty
“If you want to change a society, you have to change the language of a society,” said Darrow Miller to students at The King’s College in New York last month, as part of the school’s Distinguished Visitor Series.
Changing the language a society uses means changing how people think, not just their behavior, said Miller, adding that one area we have to change our behavior and thinking is in our approach to work. Miller, an author and former executive for Food for the Hungry, said that the consequences of a non-biblical idea of work have been poverty in the developing world and materialism in Western nations.
Miller said that in the West, work is all about “acquiring things.” This view leads to a “dualistic mindset.” In other words, Christians tend to separate their faith from work. Miller said that the biblical idea of work means that “work is part of our dignity” and there should be “no division between the sacred and the secular.”
Regarding poverty, Miller said, “If the root of the problem was lack of money or lack of resources, the problem would be solved.” He cited one example of how ideas contribute to poverty: “One of the greatest causes of poverty in the world is a lie. That lie is that men are superior to women.” In developing countries, he said, “women are the ones working” because of the pervading view that “humans weren’t made to work.” Miller added that changing this dehumanizing view of work into a biblical view is “going to the root of solving the problem.”
According to Miller, the only real hope of solving poverty “has to begin with ideas.” In order to incorporate this biblical view of work in life, he encouraged students to “look at the whole of society and look at what God has put inside of you.”
Kristin Rudolph is a student at The King’s College in New York City.














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In the Church it is call the Social Gospel, which is not a Gospel at all but a false teaching.
You change the terms to meet the needs of the people, instead of calling people to repent of their sins.
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This is a great thread and I can’t wait to see where it will go.
For years many people have been saying that the best way to convince Taliban and Al Quaeda recruits not to blow themselves up with a suicide vest is to give them something to live for. Our government and others for years have believed that if you just throw enough money at a situation that it will solve itself (USAID being one example but you can paint the bailout as a broader example). People are not looking for money to pull themselves out of poverty, they are looking for a reason, a cause, a belief system that will give them the mentality needed in order to pull themselves out of poverty.
That belief system cannot be given by a government that professes that faith does not have a place at the table in solving the problem of poverty and never will.
That belief system will only come when the followers of Jesus Christ start following his teachings and stop trying to build buildings to glorify themselves. When we begin to put the teachings of Jesus Christ to work in our communities, our market places and the families around us we will see that the mentality to defeat poverty is very much entwined with faith, but not faith in a person (pastor or otherwise), a religion (regardless of what faith) or a government, but simply a faith that God has endowed us for greatness and we all have it within us.
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ItsAboutFreedom – “That belief system will only come when the followers of Jesus Christ start following his teachings and stop trying to build buildings to glorify themselves. When we begin to put the teachings of Jesus Christ to work in our communities, our market places and the families around us we will see that the mentality to defeat poverty is very much entwined with faith, but not faith in a person (pastor or otherwise), a religion (regardless of what faith) or a government, but simply a faith that God has endowed us for greatness and we all have it within us. ‘
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my fear is that our Nation has now rejeceted that idea
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Pastor Roy – it doesn’t matter if our “nation” rejects these ideas, it only matters if you and I and the other individuals walking out our life before our Lord reject it. If we don’t reject the idea of freedom by obedience to our God then our nation stands a chance of one day rebuilding. If we reject that idea as individuals then you are correct and our nation probably doesn’t stand a chance.
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ItsAboutFreedom 11.11.09 AT 4:02 PM
Pastor Roy – it doesn’t matter if our “nation” rejects these ideas, it only matters if you and I and the other individuals walking out our life before our Lord reject it. If we don’t reject the idea of freedom by obedience to our God then our nation stands a chance of one day rebuilding. If we reject that idea as individuals then you are correct and our nation probably doesn’t stand a chance.
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you will not get a fight out me with that I agree
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Pastor Roy,
I haven’t had a chance to read the linked article; does it portray Darrow Miller as preaching a Social Gospel?
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Dorothy L Sayers has already done the heavy lifting in the Christian attitude towards work as sacramental. See her essay “Why Work,” in Creed and Chaos (http://www.faith-at-work.net/Docs/WhyWork.pdf). Excerpt:
“In nothing has the Church so lost Her hold on reality as in Her failure to understand
and respect the secular vocation. She has allowed work and religion to become
separate departments, and is astonished to find that, as result, the secular work of the
world is turned to purely selfish and destructive ends, and that the greater part of the
world’s intelligent workers have become irreligious, or at least, uninterested in
religion.
But is it astonishing? How can any one remain interested in a religion which seems
to have no concern with nine-tenths of his life? The Church’s approach to an
intelligent carpenter is usually confined to exhorting him not to be drunk and
disorderly in his leisure hours, and to come to church on Sundays. What the Church
should be telling him is this: that the very first demand that his religion makes upon
him is that he should make good tables.
Church by all means, and decent forms of amusement, certainly – but what use is all
that if in the very center of his life and occupation he is insulting God with bad
carpentry? No crooked table legs or ill-fitting drawers ever, I dare swear, came out of
the carpenter’s shop at Nazareth. Nor, if they did, could anyone believe that they
were made by the same hand that made Heaven and earth. No piety in the worker
will compensate for work that is not true to itself; for any work that is untrue to its
own technique is a living lie.
Yet in Her own buildings, in Her own ecclesiastical art and music, in Her hymns and
prayers, in Her sermons and in Her little books of devotion, the Church will tolerate
or permit a pious intention to excuse so ugly, so pretentious, so tawdry and twaddling,
so insincere and insipid, so bad as to shock and horrify any decent draftsman.
And why? Simply because She has lost all sense of the fact that the living and eternal
truth is expressed in work only so far as that work is true in itself, to itself, to the
standards of its own technique.”
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macRutabaga 11.11.09 AT 4:43 PM
Pastor Roy,
I haven’t had a chance to read the linked article; does it portray Darrow Miller as preaching a Social Gospel?
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I may have miss read him, this idea ““If you want to change a society, you have to change the language of a society,”
Is being used by churches who are pushing the Social Gospel.
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This has always bugged me about much of Africa – where you see the women struggling under a heavy load, struggling to grow a few crops, working all day long while the men are out drinking, or stealing, raping and killing in incessant wars. According to God, the guys should be busy creating, making useful things, providing for their families and improving the infrastructure, while the women are free to spend time with their children and nurture them.
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Pastor Roy,
Changing language of a society to change society can be either bad or good, depending on whether you’re changing from language that accurately reflects reality to language that distorts it, or the other way around.
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Pauline 11.11.09 AT 5:47 PM
Pastor Roy,
Changing language of a society to change society can be either bad or good, depending on whether you’re changing from language that accurately reflects reality to language that distorts it, or the other way around.
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I agree but with the Social Gospel, they are changing the meaning of the words as well as the language to meet society needs and to make people feel better about themselfs
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contented-joy 11.11.09 AT 5:34 PM
This has always bugged me about much of Africa – where you see the women struggling under a heavy load, struggling to grow a few crops, working all day long while the men are out drinking, or stealing, raping and killing in incessant wars. According to God, the guys should be busy creating, making useful things, providing for their families and improving the infrastructure, while the women are free to spend time with their children and nurture them.
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Husband to love their wives as Christ loves the Church
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Another thing that bugs me is a growing view amongst Americans that work is just a place you go to for x number of hours and punch a time clock and get paid. The guy who built my house was like that, if you couldn’t see it, he didn’t bother to do it right or even to do it at all. We have spent every spare cent repairing things that he didn’t do right.
I tell my children not to turn out like that builder, but like their Dad. He’s a truck driver, and does it as unto the Lord. He takes the extra time to put extra chains on his loads, so his load won’t shift and possibly kill someone. He follows further back when the roads are wet, which saved many lives once when ther was
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Contrary to Mr. Miller, I don’t think that poverty will be “solved”.
“For ye have the poor with you always, and whensoever ye will ye may do them good: but me ye have not always.” (Mr 14:7)
And, if, by the “Social Gospel” you mean bringing the Kingdom of God here on earth, then I think you’re right. However, there are many biblical admonitions to alleviate the burdens of the poor and those in need (both believer and unbeliever).
“Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.” (Mt 19:21)
“Then said he also to him that bade him, When thou makest a dinner or a supper, call not thy friends, nor thy brethren, neither thy kinsmen, nor thy rich neighbours; lest they also bid thee again, and a recompence be made thee. But when thou makest a feast, call the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind: And thou shalt be blessed; for they cannot recompense thee: for thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just.” (Lu 14:12-14)
“As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.” (Ga 6:10)
“If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.”(Jas 2:15-17)
“But whoso hath this world’s good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?” (1Jo 3:17)
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“One of the greatest causes of poverty in the world is a lie. That lie is that men are superior to women.”
Obviously a false teaching. This guy doesn’t know his bible at all.
Let’s see if I’ve got this “social gospel” thing down.
Strive to be perfect at work, take pride in your work as compensation, bring your religion into the workplace, and thank God you have a job! Your job might not pay well, but remember, if Jesus where making that cheeseburger, he would strive to get the meat lined up perfectly in the bun every time. You will find riches beyond measure by making that burger the best it can be.
Great advice, especially considering it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.
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kwatson 11.11.09 AT 6:09 PM
“One of the greatest causes of poverty in the world is a lie. That lie is that men are superior to women.”
Obviously a false teaching. This guy doesn’t know his bible at all.
Let’s see if I’ve got this “social gospel” thing down.
Strive to be perfect at work, take pride in your work as compensation, bring your religion into the workplace, and thank God you have a job! Your job might not pay well, but remember, if Jesus where making that cheeseburger, he would strive to get the meat lined up perfectly in the bun every time. You will find riches beyond measure by making that burger the best it can be.
Great advice, especially considering it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.
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strike one
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a pile-up ahead of him on the Interstate, and he was able to stop one inch from the stopped cars ahead. The police said that if he was even just doing the speed limit, he’d have plowed into them and killed many. He goes out of his way to buy diesel at cheaper places, even though it’s his boss that pays for it. He remains polite when the factory guys curse at him for refusing to take overweight, illegal loads. When he’s out there in his truck, he’s a representative of our family, and of Jesus – that’s an important responsibility.
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Posts 13 and 17 were supposed to go together, but I think WMB doesn’t want me to be too long winded I guess!
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contented-joy 11.11.09 AT 6:13 PM
a pile-up ahead of him on the Interstate, and he was able to stop one inch from the stopped cars ahead. The police said that if he was even just doing the speed limit, he’d have plowed into them and killed many. He goes out of his way to buy diesel at cheaper places, even though it’s his boss that pays for it. He remains polite when the factory guys curse at him for refusing to take overweight, illegal loads. When he’s out there in his truck, he’s a representative of our family, and of Jesus – that’s an important responsibility.
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amen
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contented-joy 11.11.09 AT 6:15 PM
Posts 13 and 17 were supposed to go together, but I think WMB doesn’t want me to be too long winded I guess!
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if you keep posting like that be as long winded as you want/
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Contented Joy
Does your husband ever get out to CA? If he is ever in my neighborhood, Crescent City, we have a nice bedroom with a hot bath or shower for him. We’ll feed him home cooked and wash his dirty clothes. We will pick him up and take him back to his truck.
Bob Buckles
Wonderstump@hotmail.com
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In a parenting class I took at church we were taught to help our children look for their calling rather than chose a career. I liked that.
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KWatson, 15,
What you describe doesn’t have anything to do with Social Gospel, but what’s so bad about that stuff, anyway?
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I really appreciate that Bob. He never goes out that far west, but there is a nice family of Russian immigrants that do that for him down in Georgia. It came about when my hubby spent some time with him at a truck stop with a broken down truck, my husband treated him so nice. The Russian was amazed, because often, unfortunately, Russians and Ukranians get treated horribly by other truckers.
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Hopesprings (#14):
I agree with you wholeheartedly. Poverty will always be with us while we live in this fallen world. It is one of the many results of the curse of sin, and it will not be done away with until the promised new heaven and earth come into being. The final victory over poverty won’t be accomplished by changing words, by forcefully redistributing wealth, by education, or by any other means designed by sinful men. The final victory will be accomplished by God alone when He changes the whole spiritual and physical system of the universe we live in. In the meantime, God uses poverty for good, for His children (Rom 8:28) who are willing to cooperate in the manner described by the passages you cited. We work to alleviate BOTH spiritual and physical poverty and suffering, but we will never end either one by our own efforts. But, in the end all the pain and suffering will be just a temporary pin prick compared to the abundance of His eternal kingdom. In fact, He tells us that all the bad things won’t be remembered at all.
When that occurs we will still have work to do, but it will be pleasant and satisfying work, perhaps similar to the work we do at a favorite hobby. For example, I feel certain that when Beethoven wrote his beautiful symphonies, a good part of it was a labor of love wherein his talents were used to produce music of beautiful and lasting value. Perhaps our work in God’s future kingdom will be something like that. We won’t have to toil to survive in a hostile world, but we will see the outworking of what the Westminster Catechism calls the chief end of man:
Contented-joy:
Thank you for your good posts. Your husband and his work is a good example of what Christ calls us to do in the here and now. We should all strive to live like that until God brings in His new heaven and earth.
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Which part is false? There are a couple parts to what he said. Just curious which you disagree with.
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The Atlantic Monthly cover story this month suggests that Christian ideas are responsible for the financial crash and recession.
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Scroop #28:
To be clear, the piece, “Did Christianity cause the crash?” centers around the prosperity gospel, which many folks here (and elsewhere) consider to be rank heresy.
In the same issue they include a piece on Dave Ramsey, who advocates the polar opposite, i.e. never go into debt except for a 15-yr fixed rate mortgage. And avoid even that if you’re able to.
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Scroop Moth 11.12.09 AT 12:44 PM
The Atlantic Monthly cover story this month suggests that Christian ideas are responsible for the financial crash and recession.
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how?
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Thank you, Michael, for a very uplifting post.
“For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.” (Ro 8:18)
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I love it when Scroop does anything he can to throw a thread off…..nice try Scroopy.
If you had actually read the Atlantic Monthly article instead of just the Google title you would have seen that the article is clearly about the prosperity gospel which has no place in Christianity.
But keep trying….you may get it right someday.
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