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Lynn Vincent on “Humble Hearts & Civil Tongues”
For those of you who’ve missed hearing from Lynn Vincent here at WorldMagBlog, here’s a chance to see the WORLD senior writer and Sarah Palin’s book collaborator speak almost live. This morning at the Reagan Ranch Center in Santa Barbara, Calif., Lynn addressed college students attending the West Coast Leadership Conference hosted by the Young America’s Foundation.
Here’s video of Lynn’s speech, “Humble Hearts & Civil Tongues: Grassroots Coalition Conservatism,” followed by a Q&A session with the students:
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Can’t hear a thing, but I like her hair cut.
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Wish I had 50 minutes to listen to the whole thing! The first 10 were great.
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Fixed my audio. It was great, though I do find it odd that after so many years on here she is still optimistic about communicating across political lines.
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Well – diversity means respecting others. Neither Lynn nor her supporters are unified on any front.
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Respecting others does not entail respecting the act of killing unborn children OR respecting the acts of homosexuality and marriage between homosexuals.
When individuals mix up the acts of sin with respectability they either don’t understand, OR they have made up their minds to play dumb, when they try to REASON: If you don’t accept homosexuality, same sex marriage or abortion you don’t love me.
Loving our neighbor does not mean we love their lifestyle or the selfish acts they choose for their lives.
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That, and NJ is not cold. Occasionally, but not like Michigan.
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“Well – diversity means respecting others.”
If this is true, then liberals have as little a claim to the term as anyone.
I was in a used book store today run by young leftists of the anarchist/revolutionary type (they sell cheap fiction) and the whole time I was browsing had to listen to the employees trashing homophobes. All I could think was, “Wow, how very tolerant of diverse points of view you are.”
The claim that liberals are “tolerant” and “diverse” has to be the biggest public scam in recent history.
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It’s a one way street for homosexuals, • • ‘either accept my homosexuality, wish me well, respect homosexual acts are decent, un-sinful and normal, OR you are mean, unloving, homophobes”
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They don’t want tolerance, they want affirmation.
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I DID listen to the whole thing.
She does make some good points. One point she discussed was about gay marriage. She does feel at some point it will be global. When that day comes, I will respect your right to be married, but you need to respect my right to the first amendment.
People are getting fired when they use their first amendment rights. Example: The counselor who was fired for not counseling a gay woman about her gay partnership. The counselor referred the woman to another counselor. (Doctors do that all the time if they don’t feel they are qualified or feel someone else might specialize in a particular field.)
If the person needing counseling were black, and it was about racial issues, don’t you think the counselor would want to send the patient to a black counselor, or someone who deals with racial issues. (I’m using that comparison because people compare racism with the gay plight. Which I understand black people don’t like.)
She talks about abortion. And before anyone says she doesn’t know what she is talking about, she has had an abortion. She also used to be pro-choice.
And before a man speaks up for abortion, you will NEVER be able to experience it. So don’t go there.
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I think it is fine and good to remind Republicans (and other human beings as well) to have humble hearts and civil tongues. It is all fine and well also to strategize about fiscal and social conservatism. But if Republicans really want to win, they need to do three things:
1. Outwork Democrats.
2. Outwork liberals.
3. Outwork Marxists.
Talk and advice are fine and well, but we need to put our hands to the political plow–or be losers.
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I think she offers a lot of workable solutions to what is dividing us.
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I also listened to the whole 52 minutes. I agree with News2 and Kim.
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#10 revisited (had to leave in middle of thoughts & interruptions)
I meant to say that I was not quoting Lynn.
Some of the thoughts were my additions.
She did say to be humble. She said you need to listen to another person’s position and see why they feel that way. Sharing personal stories helps the other person understand why you feel the way you do.
She had questions and answers at the end of the speech.
You need to listen to her to get the whole message.
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Good synopsis Kim.
I never could condense anything in one sentence.
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KBELLS
As I understand it, tolerance has meant something different for a very long time. Didn’t World Mag. have an article on tolerance?
If I remember, it doesn’t mean live and let live.
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IMO Actually the short haircut is more consistent with her ruling position than the long hair.
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I finally was able to listen to the whole thing and found much food for thought. The basic ideas of listening, telling your story of why you have come to believe what you believe and loving others is all biblical.
How to achieve some goals is not so easy to agree on all the time. Politics is not easy. Loving others is not easy. Life hasn’t been easy since the Garden of Eden. Her points are well worth thinking about.
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Thomas #4
Are you saying that Lynn doesn’t respect others?
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Thomas
People are calling Lynn names. She does NOT call them names.
What is it about Lynn you don’t like, her association with Palin, being a Christian, being a Conservative, being honest about her feelings, being a woman?
Has she said something hateful towards someone?
Have you listened to the entire video?
Please be specific about the parts you don’t like.
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Polarization has been in force since the garden of Eden. There is no blending, or coming together, when GOD has made it clear what sin is, and what it’s punishment will be. When we try to blend and unify sin with righteousness, darkness with light it doesn’t work. The LORD didn’t command or ask us to try to come together and ‘make a new deal’ regarding sinful practices.
We can listen to others stories as to the why’s and reasons they are sinning, but in the end ONLY the Gospel will be VALUABLE. We can dwell on the excuses, but there is only ONE HOPE and that is believing on the LORD Jesus Christ as Savior, repenting and turning from sin for Salvation.
Man wants to use his reasons to make allowance for sin, but Jesus didn’t spend time listening to the reasons and excuses, HE told them straightforwardly what they needed to do. Those who wanted Salvation believed and followed HIM. Today its no different, we can’t make friends with sin or the world. We are called as Believers to love everyone, but we are not told to accept the sin, or pretend it isn’t there.
We may very well have legalized same sex marriage in the near future, AND we may have health care that will pay for abortions. As Believers we can do all we can to vote against it, but that’s all we can do. Making pals with those who oppose the LORD, isn’t what we are called to do.
Those who oppose the LORD, stand firm in their sinful practices, there is no reason to shrink the polarization which exists, nor is there Scripture that would support such a position.
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What label do we put on the phrase “friends don’t let friends drive drunk”? Is it intollerant, discriminatory, unloving? There are people who think it is okay to drive drunk. What degree or nature of disagreement or opposition is it okay and effective to have?
Is there a way to disagree with their behavior that is really loving and not simply disgust.
I think there is. And the same applies to other areas of disagreement. Much of the contention is fomented by the way we disagree not just that we disagree.
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Fisherman
Trying to talk someone out of driving drunk when they can’t think straight, isn’t the same as talking to someone, answering their questions regarding Salvation, or trying to form a relationship which might bridge the gap and allow one to share Christ.
I don’t believe for a ‘blink’ that treating someone with “disgust” because of their sin will result in anything other than animosity from the un-Believer – it’s a matter of love that we share the Gospel, most people who are not Believers know that Jesus didn’t condone sin, and Believers don’t either – that is simply a given.
I have had conversations with those who believe in abortion, one in particular just this past summer, (a doctors wife) she tried to tell me that the unborn child’s blood wasn’t even flowing through its veins, among just one of her excuses. I tried to quell the disagreement which was showing its ugly head, however it was to be, that particular day. She insisted she was right, and I let it go (she is an RN) Later in the months to follow we have had conversations, but abortion isn’t one of them. We talk about shallow things such as clothes, etc, which are interesting to a point. She was in the past interested in the Bible – occasionally open to understanding the Gospel of Jesus Christ. She wanted a Bible and I gave her one.
There are people whom I’m friendly with who are homosexuals not hiding the fact – they often, if not always make a point we don’t agree. I’ve made it clear that I do love them, but I do not agree with homosexuality being right – when this happens, there first words are “you don’t love me, you show no understanding, or try to see my point of view” – with that the entire context of the conversation turns to “if you don’t agree, you’re hateful of me” – - in this case I’ve spent time trying to make the individual see the difference between loving and condoning – they become angry because once again they have not been able to persuade me to bless their sinful lifestyle.
When light shines upon darkness, it opens the truth to daylight – when one lives in darkness they don’t have to face the light or truth through Jesus Christ, they’re caught up in the sin their in to satisfy their lust or need in pure darkness, their hearts are cold and their conscience seared.
I don’t look upon these situations as hopeless, but I do believe that when people repeatedly turn from the LORD, its time to ‘dust the feet’ -
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Interesting.
When pro-life Dems argue for 90% reduction of abortions we still get hammered, but Lynn likes the idea. But rather than harp, she does model the kind of practical approach that may someday (not too soon for this Dem
) lead the GOP back to power.
And were I to push back to Lynn, I would note that telling the story, powerful as it is, also needs to respect the stories of others. Stories help us to trust each other; it cannot simply a one way street, a political tactic, as it were.
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Thanks for posting this; I listened while I baked a cake. Lynn was as articulate and intelligent as always.
I suspect many people are worn out from the abortion extremes–including many of us on the extremes. Maybe you and I should get together and figure this out, Harris?
See my postings on Abby Johnson from last night and you can see where I fall right in line with Ms. Vincent.
It would have been nice to get a glimpse of her husband . . .
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My state, Minnesota, is actually more cold than Michigan. But Michigan does tend to get get more snow. Sometimes it’s just toooooo cold to snow here in Minnesota.
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Joel — remember she’s living in San Diego. They forget. Minnesota, Michigan, it all sounds the same. As I recall Pellston MI and International Falls both duel for coldest in the 48.
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While I am for the abortion exceptions as a way of saving 90% of the babies from a legal perspective, I still object to them from a moral perspective.
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The first topic Lynn addresses is whether the GOP has been reduced to the sum of its worst parts, a party with no ideas, running purely on angry reactionary fervor.
While addressing this, she mentions that her husband drives a F150 diesel and is a “carbon bigfoot”.
And the crowd cheers, claps, and hoots.
Why?
Why cheer and clap about that? I mean, if you need a big guzzling truck for your job, or maybe even if you simply like big trucks regardless of their fuel costs and pollutants, that seems to be a personal decision that merits no particular approbation. Would anyone clap and cheer if I told you my house had hardwood flooring instead of carpet, or that I prefer Land’s End shirts to Belk’s?
No.
Then clearly the big truck is not just a personal choice, it’s a symbol. Those young conservatives are not clapping and cheering for something, they are clapping and cheering against something — the idea that we should be environmentally responsible with our choices. The crowd perversely celebrates something precisely because they are told it is harmful.
In other words, in the middle of Lynn’s argument that the Republican party is not angry reactionaries lacking positive ideas of their own, the crowd demonstrates that the Republican party is angry reactionaries lacking positive ideas of their own.
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It is an interesting form of discourse here as in #23 to observe the constant God condemns you and loves you and the extension by Christians of joining in what they take to be God’s condemnation and expressing “love.”
Some to be amazed that their communication is not perceived as “love.”
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In a thread that is supposed to be about “humble hearts and civil tongues,” four of the first eight comments are defenses of proud self-righteousness and uncivil tongues.
I’m still getting to know the personalities here, but from my lurking it seems that this is a common theme.
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JJF (#29):
The crowd cheered for personal freedom and its expression in a man’s right to purchase a truck of his choice. They cheered because they celebrate American freedom and I cheer along with them.
Your contention that such a truck is environmentally harmful is your own small, unproven opinion—nothing more. YOUR opinion on this issue is NOT the fact that you presume it to be. What I resist, and what every American should resist, is the arrogance of small, presumptuous minds who insist that they are right to the point that they want to force their will upon others down to the smallest details of one’s personal life.
If I want to buy a big truck for my own personal reasons, I will do so. You can go mind your own business, not mine.
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Victoria (#’s 21 & 23);
Excellent posts.
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I watched and carefully listened to the whole video.
I agree with Lynn on the political pragmatism she expressed. Half a loaf is better than none. We can go after the other half later. To me, that is just common sense. A lack of common sense is displayed by those religious conservatives who are so “principled” in their stand that they throw away their vote on third party candidates and allow the opposition to win with far less than a majority. On this point, Lynn used an illustration of a Fiat that couldn’t rescue everyone—so even if you can’t do everything, you do what you can. That is just common sense.
I disagreed with her on what I perceived as a spirit of fatalism about the homosexual “marriage” issue. She seemed to lean toward giving up on this fight simply because that is the way society is going. As proof of this, she cited society’s now cavalier acceptance of fornication and having children out of wedlock; this was once condemned and now it is accepted as normal—true enough. She may be correct in the inevitability of this trend, but that is never an excuse to abandon the fight for what is right, no matter how many oppose you.
The Fiat illustration is again appropriate. Even if only a few souls are saved from going with the stampeding herd down this path to Hell, the fight is still worth it. We cannot idly stand by and let our children be brainwashed into the idea that homosexuality is normal and acceptable to God. If they accept this lie, many of them will act out this lie in their own sexual choices. I simply cannot accept that in silence.
Now, perhaps such a fatalistic attitude is not what Lynn was projecting. I don’t know, but that is the way it seemed to me.
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MM, perhaps if Lynn would have expressed the need to continue to defend traditional marriage, her stance would’ve been clearer. I admit, without such a statement, it did seem she was sort of acceding to the inevitability of gay marriage.
I do think she made a valid point in emphasizing the need to dialogue on issues rather than look at them only as political crowbars with which we seek to leverage influence and power.
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Deet (#35):
Good points.
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Ok. They’re cheering for the American freedom to do something which the vast majority of experts say is harmful. I am not trying to deprive them of that freedom, but I am saying it is perverse to cheer for it, like cheering when someone announces that they smoke pot or love pornography.
You talk like this is a little pet theory of mine. You know quite well it is the broadly accepted conventional wisdom that cars produce emissions which are harmful to the environment. The conventional wisdom may in fact be wrong, but don’t pretend that it’s a minority or fringe opinion.
And it is exactly because these conservatives are in the minority that they cheer this way. They feel belittled and put upon, their God-fearin’ Amurcan freedom to buy big gas-guzzlers if they d**n well please is being threatened by the wide-spread idea that we ought to make environmentally responsible choices.
Again, they are aggressively cheering against that idea, a vocal and reactionary minority who doesn’t want to be told what’s good for the nation and what’s not.
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I hear it doesn’t have an index. That disapoints me.
The only flaw in Terrorist Hunter is absence of an index.
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“Humble Hearts & Civil Tongues: Grassroots Coalition”
Rather hard to square with Tea Party and Palin anti-Obama rhetoric doncha think?
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#21 – Victoria, may you continue to be the dominant voice of the GOP as it self-righteously marches to its rightful place of irrelevance in the American political landscape!
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<blockquote Spin,
We in the GOP marched to a win in California just last year regarding PROP 8, nothing irrelevant about that. Maine just did the same thing.
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JJF (#37) writes:
“You talk like this is a little pet theory of mine. You know quite well it is the broadly accepted conventional wisdom that cars produce emissions which are harmful to the environment. The conventional wisdom may in fact be wrong, but don’t pretend that it’s a minority or fringe opinion.”
You mix your little pet theory with conventional wisdom in a transparent attempt to falsely make your fringe opinion seem mainstream. It is NOT conventional wisdom that automobile emissions ARE harmful to the environment as you claim. On the other hand, It is conventional and true wisdom that automobile emissions can be harmful to the environment. I agree with that. That is why we take steps to reasonably control emissions in certain crowded city environments and relax those controls in rural environments where emissions do no harm. That is why we seek a reasonable balance between the necessity of cars and trucks for a livable modern society and the tyrannical obsession of many environmentalists who would like to see us revert to a stone-age society for the sake of their minority concept of purity.
The gage of whether your pet opinion is mainstream or fringe is not based on your say-so. You say that light trucks are harmful to the environment and spuriously compare them with smoking pot or viewing pornography. Then you attempt to portray this as the mainstream view. That is ludicrous and utter nonsense. Of course, you offer no objective proof for your claim, just your say-so.
On such issues we can gain an objective view of what most Americans think by the way they vote with their pocket book and with the purchases they make. In recent years the combined sales of those “evil” light trucks and SUV’s have surpassed those of ordinary cars. In some years the sales of light trucks alone have surpassed those of ordinary cars.
Clearly, most Americans don’t share your pet theory. I am NOT pretending that your view is a minority, fringe view. It is what it is (minority and fringe), and most Americans do not agree with you.
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We in the GOP marched to a win in California just last year regarding PROP 8, nothing irrelevant about that. Maine just did the same thing.
Not a “win” so much as the maintenance of a long-time status quo by historically narrow (and narrowing) margins. As bigotry dies with the old generation that promotes it, you will inevitably lose because of this:
Same Sex Marriage by Age and State
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p.s. In case the implications of that graph aren’t clear to you, it should be pointed out that, as the blue “+65″ dots die out, the support for gay marriage continues to move inevitably, state by state, into clear majority territory.
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#42 And besides, you in the GOP marched to radical losses in all branched of government. Or did you forget?
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“Humble Hearts & Civil Tongues: Grassroots Coalition”
Rather hard to square with Tea Party and Palin anti-Obama rhetoric doncha think?
Some Tea Party rhetoric, I’ll grant you that. There is overheated rhetoric just like any side in politics. But I’m sure you’re aware that criticism and “humble hearts and civil tongues” are not necessarily mutually exclusive. And as for Palin, I don’t agree with everything she’s ever said, but I do look at the big picture, which reveals that as Lynn says, Palin is not “far right.” The Wall Street Journal notes in its review of Going Rogue that Palin is “not the prejudiced, dim-witted ideologue of the popular liberal imagination.” Her record shows an ability to work with Democrats and a pragmatic streak. But the usual liberal schtick with her is to grade her on a reverse curve. If she’s done anything, it’s wrong by definition. Or worse yet, to fall into the politics of personal destruction.
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Spin – 45
Those who are older aren’t much different than those who are younger regarding their beliefs – same sex marriage doesn’t appear to have an age factor as you suggest.
It doesn’t appear to matter to most homosexuals whether their marriage is valid in the eyes of GOD or not – for that reason it seems a power struggle, to validate something that has no foundation, but to imitate and conterfeit the REAL DEAL, and that is a man and a woman in marriage.
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Don’t feed the trolls folks. Eventually they will give up if we ignore them.
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