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On this day in 1851: Herman Melville’s novel Moby-Dick is published by Harper & Brothers.
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Good morning, all. And have a nice day.
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Right back at ya, Arcadia!
I have never finished reading “Moby Dick” and I’ve always found the movies versions pretty boring, too, though I do understand why it’s a masterpiece of literature. I learned to give up my white whale and move on.
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I’ve never read Moby Dick either.
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2.3. Me either and I was an English Major. Good morning Arcadia.
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I did read it. I can’t remember why. Probably for the same reason I read The Fountainhead. Because I wanted to know what all the hoopla was. Why was it a great piece of literature. I have picked up All The King’s Men several times but I just can’t get past page 36. I am looking for an abridged version where they take out 90% of the adjectives and simply say “I was driving up a dirt road…”
White Whales? What are our white whales? What have we chased into folly?
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NJLawyer, remember to chop your vegetables first. Have that by the stove. Gather your phone and anything else that is liable to distract you and put it by the stove. Start your roux and set the timer for 30 minutes…you cannot walk away. When the roux is nice and dark add the veggies, it will stop the cooking process of the roux. If it burns you have to start over so keep the heat on medium. This cannot be rushed.
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I’m in the process of getting ready now. I have to work on two contracts before I begin, but the office is in town. The afternoon is MINE! And the phone can go to voicemail.
Moby Dick is a great masterpiece of literature because my sister the English teacher said so. Short versions — read the Cliff Notes, maybe that will help. I always thought Ahab was obsessed with the whale that had hurt him and wanted to get revenge on it. Long ago, there was something I held onto and held on and on and on. It was only when I decided not to nurse that thing that I freed myself up to move on and embrace the future.
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Moby Dick (the unabridged version) is a GREAT book from which to learn nautical language and terminology.
So, for instance, if I were to tell you:
“Avast ho matey, ye broached leeward lubbardly poopdeck scurvy scuppers dog, starboarding porthole abeamed off the main bow lanyard, just abaft the bilgepump sternum keel-hauled main hatch. Abandon ship!,”
You would know EXACTLY what I meant, had you just read Moby Dick.
This sort of knowledge could save your life one day, so read it.
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8. That reminds me, did you know you can change the language on your facebook page to Pirate.
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A quote for you. From The Failure Factory by Bill Gertz.
“Amazingly, almost a decade into the war on terrorism, the military had not produced a single comprehensive study on how Muslims wage war.”
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Basically all I would need to understand in that paragraph is “Abandon ship!”
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Drill, I know what POSH stands for, does that help?
Port Out, Starboard Home
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I just got off the phone with my stepmother. Tony, her daughter who is 52 and has Down’s Syndrome is experiencing some aches and pains, etc. They have done a colonoscopy, and an MRI. She is going back for an ultrasound. Regina is a retired nurse. She just broke down on the phone crying, she thinks Tony has all the symtoms of ovarian cancer. This will be a triple blow for her. She lost my dad in June of 2008, her mother in May of 2009 and now this. She told me she knows Tony has had an extra long life for a child who was not supposed to live to 6 months, but this still hurts. As a mother it is still painful. She asked me to pray. She just doesn’t want Tony to be in any pain. Tony woke her up last night crying because she was in pain.
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Kim – Prayers for Tony & her mom.
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Don’t call me Ishamael–this English major never made it through the book either. I understand it has great Biblical themes but the writing is too tough for me to wade through.
The same quarter I had to read James Joyce’s Ulysses. Another useless exercise.
I should have majored in History.
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Faulkner’s The Sound and the Fury–another useless exercise.
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I tried reading Moby Dick. And I don’t think what Drill wrote is something you can learn from the book. Also, kbells has it right, “Abandon ship” is all one would need to know.
Moby Dick has a lot of whaling lore, but those chapters dragged on and on. I skipped most of them. Why is it books that are considered “great literature” are so boring. I tried to read “the Swiss Family Robinson” and “Robinson Crusoe” to my children and all of us were tired of the long, drawn out first few chapters. As much as I dislike Disney movies, perhaps they do us a favor by leaving out so much of the book.
Oh, and you may want to avoid contact with me today. I have the flu, and it may just be H1N1, though a mild case.
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I took a poli-sci course in college, and the prof built up Tolstoy’s War and Peace. So I found a copy at my MIL’s and read it. It was the abridged version without the political commentary. Talk about a waste of time. It is just a long romance novel without the political commentary. I could have gotten as much out of a Jane Austen novel (though I find the movie versions of those entertaining).
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Loved Robinson Crusoe, loved War and Peace. Jane Austen’s great, too.
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Oh, oh, I’ve read Moby Dick! (Will I ever reread it, no.) What’s more, I’ve read two or three other books by Herman Melville, and my guess is nobody else on here can say that.
The one book (not by Melville, of course) I absolutely could not get through was The Hunchback of Notre Dame. I tried to read it in college, when I was in the process of getting my eyeglasses adjusted and reading hurt my eyes a bit. The copy I picked up was very fine print. Now, I rarely start a book that I don’t finish; I’m stubborn that way. Occasionally it will take me a few months or even as long as two years (Confessions), but if I start, I finish, nearly always. Well, with Hunchback I was hurting my eyes a bit to read just a few pages at a time, and one day I looked at the book and realized something like this: I’m 140 pages into this book, and don’t know what’s happening yet, and furthermore I don’t care. And I’m straining my eyes to read it instead of a book I might enjoy. Nobody but me will care whether I finish it, and right now I don’t care either. So I put it, unlamented, into the book return slot and walked away.
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There is a lot of surprisingly good literature out there, but I know nothing about it. I know what I like to read and I know what I don’t like. Whether it is a must read or not, matters not.
Did not make it through War and Peace but two of the kids did. My busy reader read it when he was around fourteen so third son figured he had to out do that and read it at twelve or thirteen. I did not believe it until I heard them discussing it. It was not the abridged version but it was not in Russian.
I read Moby Dick and was able to understand all of Drill’s comment anyway.
Have not yet pulled out the Federalist Papers for another go at it.
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Peter L,
Do you mind not breathing on the computer? Thanks, brother. Hope you are well soon and the rest of the fam does not get it. Praying for you.
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Peter, are you dissing Jane Austen novels? I’ve read them all, and have a beautifully bound set of them.
As to Robinson Crusoe, I’ve only read it once, and do remember it being slow going at first. But eventually it was easily one of the best books I’ve ever read, or at least that’s how it struck me at the time; it was exactly the right book for me right then. In fact, it was one of those books well worth rereading, but one on the “wait a while to reread this” list, because I wanted to savor having read it once rather than going back again too soon and trying to recapture the magic. It’s probably time to reread it.
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Rio- I responded to your race (running race, for those who did not see it) in yesterday’s WV #112.
Cheryl D- I know what you mean about finishing books. I spent two summers on the George Müller auto biography (750+ pages). I spent three months getting through Don Quixote in English. I tried it in Spanish but it was way too difficult, even for me as a Spanish major. The language is archaic, and the idiomatic expressions hard to understand if Spanish is not your native language. I don’t know how well the translation I read got the full gist, but I enjoyed reading the book.
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Oh, and by the way, you may have noticed that when people get discussing movies everyone has seen, I often stay out of the discussion. I usually have seen one on a list of ten. (And that is with deliberately getting a Blockbuster membership one year to catch up on classics I should have seen, and checking the movie section at the library for classics every time I visit recently.) But when you talk about classic books, I can finally join in, because I have read a lot of Dickens, all of Jane Austen and the Bronte sisters, some of Mark Twain, A Tale of Two Cities, The Scarlet Pimpernel, Swiss Family Robinson and most of the other “kids’ classics,” etc. (I haven’t yet read the Russian classics except a taste of Tolstoy.)
And if you want to discuss C. S. Lewis, I’m fairly sure I’ve read it all, including all the published letters, except Reflections on the Psalms and his book on 16th-century English lit (both of which I own, but haven’t yet read). I know, he isn’t classic, yet. But I’ve also read MacDonald and Chesterton at length, both of whom probably are.
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I liked “Robinson Crusoe” but I’ve had “Tess of the D’urbervilles” in my house for years and can’t make myself get past the second chapter.
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Thank you, mumsee. It may have been those guinea pig pies, but it may also have been the homemade fajitas a student brought to school yesterday.
And Cheryl- I am not dissing Jane Austen. My daughter loves the books, and I appreciate the quality and morality they tend to have. I just don’t think I could read one of them. I like the Masterpiece Theater movies of them, and that is enough for me. Maybe in my old age, when I finally am mature, I’ll pick one up. During the school year, though, I am too tired for in depth reading.
Though on Saturdays, I try to read a chapter or two from some theological tome. Right now I am working my way through Martin Lloyd-Jones’ Studies in the Sermon on the Mount. Well worth it!
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I don’t know, Peter L, May is a long time from now. You may have forgotten by then that you were going to read them.
Where is Chas this morning?
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KBells, Mr. Naval Academy had to read Tess his plebe year. He came home at Christmas and left it with me with all of his notes. I got the Naval Academy version and teaching. It was quite enjoyable. ( I pretty much have a Naval Academy education without ever attending, exept for the the Electrical Endineering Classes) I planned to marry him and was NOT going to let him be better educated than me. Of course as competitive as we were I managed to get a Master’s degree before him, of cours mine is in education and when he finally got his it was in engineering. I cannot do higher level math ~
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A bit off topic, but I read and much enjoyed The Road, by Cormac McCarthy. The movie’s coming out soon and has gotten good pre-release press. It stars Viggo Mortensen. The book is short; you can still read it before the movie hits the theaters.
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I read Moby Dick a long time ago, and I recall how I and my best girlfriend in high school loved the movie when we were going to become intellectuals and were through our “classic literature” phase.
But I came upon a mention of Melville’s book recently in another book I’m reading — “The Enemy Within” by Kris Lundgaard, which is a book (nonfiction) about the nature and power of sin. His use of the novel’s imagery is this:
“Let the White Whale stand for God — but don’t be quick to make Captain Ahab the flesh. Ahab is the whale’s enemy, but Paul says the flesh is more than God’s enemy: it is the enmity, the hostility, the pure hatred of self. … If the whale is God and Ahab’s hatred is the flesh, then who is Captain Ahab? You were.”
Well, for what it’s worth — I don’t really remember a lot about Moby Dick, to be honest. But I was an English major and so I did read it.
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Reminds me: I’m so glad I read the Lord of the Ring books before seeing the movies, which I thought were OK-to-Good, but not great. As a general principle, I advise reading the book before seeing its movie counterpart, whenever possible.
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Kim, There are two big problems with being married to an engineer. 1) He over explains anything technical. You ask him where the car keys are and you get a lesson on how the carburetor works. 2) The house is littered with little electronic objects and small pieces of paper with numbers on them that I don’t know if I can throw away.
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Kim, I’m so sorry to hear about the difficulty Tony is having, that must be just heartbreaking for her mom. I often wonder at the strength and grace God gives those who have children with disabilities. I will be praying for a lessening of the pain and for an easy-to-treat diagnosis soon.
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As for “All the Kings Men,” I read that, too, and enjoyed it from what I can remember — that was during my teen phase when I became suddenly steeped in all things political. I began watching William Buckley on the small black-and-white TV in my bedroom and reading all the editorials in the newspaper.
I never could get through the book of Buckley’s I checked out of the public library back then, though — but I liked how it looked sitting in my room during those 2 weeks.
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TSA changes rules on airport searches — very quietly — and thanks to the efforts of the ACLU and a Ron Paul campaign staffer.
“OMG! I just knew Ron Paul was a liberal and a terrorist sympathizer!” Just keep your shirt on, you scared-of-liberty-cat. (You know who you are … V … )
After unsuccessfully shaking down Campaign for Liberty director Steve Bierfeldt in St. Louis last March solely because he was carrying $4,700 in cash receipts from book sales and campaign contributions, the TSA now grudgingly agrees that
• airport searches must be related to airline safety
• large amounts of cash do not comprise a threat to an airliner, and
• “traveling with large amounts of cash is not illegal.”
That’s one for the good guys. (I.e., us.)
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Have any of you read Christopher Buckley? I discovered him this summer at the beach. Talk about laugh out loud funny.
Where is Thomas1? I think I will get the new JD Robb to read this weekend.
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Kim’s comment about not being able to do higher level math reminds me of my 17-yr. old, Chrissy. Her math ability is kinda strange.
Chrissy does not “get” algebra (not sure about geometry yet), but she has some sort of math ability. My mom was amazed when she & the girls were playing Scrabble, & Chrissy was keeping a mental tally of their scores.
And then there was the time she & a brilliant engineer (also brilliant at math, but I guess that goes without saying) were each doing the same difficult Sudoku puzzle. Chrissy finished it in 30 minutes, the brilliant engineer took 45 minutes.
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Karen, everyone has some sort of “numbers” skill. I can take the price of something figure the discount and add the tax almost before the cash register can. I could do sudoka faster than the engineer I most recently dated. What happened to me was that in pre-Cal in high school, I could look at the problem and tell you the correct answer. The teacher thought I was cheating and made me work it out her way. I tried and tried to do it her way and couldn’t. Talk about your mental block. Just the other day I was in a conversation with a developer and another realtor. I am not sure about the developer but I know the realtor has an engineering background. We were talking about 500 BILLION dollars. Both of them figured 10% wrong. I was the idiot who spoke
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up and said it was 50 Billion. They both stopped and looked at me and were taken aback. Yes, you’re right. Then they got down to talking about a 1% transfer fee and the developer never did wrap his brain around it and I so wanted to explain it, but was in a position where it was better to keep my mouth shut. My brain just works differently. Chloe can’t understand something like 9×9=81…my brain works in that I know 9 x 10 =90 so I just subract 9. That is a little simplistic but I have oh so many shortcuts. When I taught math I tried to make it interesting and show that math effected so many other things. We did “mental math” and I even found a book I used that had art and math together. We really don’t look around us and see math everywhere that
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we just have to look and find it. That being said, I seriously doubt I am going to pass 6th grade math with her. She is at her dad’s this morning and they have already called to tell me he can’t help her with her math homework.
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So far no relapse. Don’t worry, mumsee. My computer is virus protected, so if I breath on it too much, you should be safe.
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Michelle, didn’t Ishmael Leseur finally realize that his life wasn’t so bad after all? Thank you for your post on the necessity for prayer and protection for Abby Johnson.
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Kim – Both Emily & Chrissy are like you in that they can figure out the answer, but not the way it’s “supposed” to be done. And we all do what you said about shortcuts.
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Every day my students had to figure out the word jumble from the paper. Math follows patterns just like words follow patterns.
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Kim, years ago when I worked at a drugstore I had a fellow employee who hated me for no apparent reason, and it came out in sarcasm and angry speech.
One time our boss asked me what the price of a certain item would be with the employee discount. She didn’t mention “with tax,” but I did the math mentally–the price minus a 15% discount, plus whatever the tax was–and told her. This co-worker who didn’t like me assumed my answer was wrong, and said with a “tone” in her voice, “Don’t forget the tax!” And she quickly did the figure on the calculator to show me up. Her figure was two cents different from mine, and the cash register rang up the price as the penny in the middle. (Sales tax isn’t always easy to figure to the penny, since you don’t know where it will “jump” to another penny.) I didn’t gloat outwardly, but I did so inwardly.
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I too was one who figured out the answer, but not always by the correct method. It killed me in high school algebra. See, in eight grade algebra I didn’t need the formulas–I just did the problem and got the right answer, and only used the formula on a test where I had to “show my work.” (And then I usually got the answer and wrote it down, and then went back and did “the work.” And if the answers matched, I figured it was right.)
Then I got to high school algebra, where the formulas were more complicated, and presumably where they needed a good solid grasp of the easier formulas I’d brushed by. Further, I took high school by correspondence–and thus had no teacher I could ask questions. I floundered, badly. I flunked some of my tests and had to redo them, limped slowly through the course, and eventually finished it. I was taking French at the same time, with about the same results. Those two courses together (with no other courses) took one awful year of my life, though all of high school took me only two years and five months. Those two courses brought down my GPA quite a bit too, since I was getting A’s or at worst B’s in everything else, and barely getting through those two non-correspondence-friendly courses!
Today I can do basic real-world math (like filing my own taxes with pen and paper, and that’s a bit complicated because I’m self-employed), but have no interest in algebra and other specialty math.
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Kim – Yes – patterns! Chrissy has always had a way of seeing patterns in things.
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Okay, I survived the 20 minutes with the roux! And I didn’t burn it because I used a silicone spoon/spatula thingy. You really do have to keep stirring or it will burn, but this implement kept it from sticking to the pot. Glad I didn’t use a wooden spoon.
I did algebra and geometry back in high school, but don’t ask me to do it now 40 years later. Kim writes: “Karen, everyone has some sort of “numbers” skill.” I’m not so sure. I was putting a contract together this morning and calculated the 20% down, the computer program checked my figures to make sure it added up — which it did, but not because I had taken the first and second deposits into consideration the right way. I had the guy putting more than 20% down, but I only realized it on the way out. So some of us are not so skilled.
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And I need a bigger pot.
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Did you add the veggies to stop the cooking? How is it doing now? You know that it is killing me not to be there to oversee this and to know that it tastes “right” . We are going to dominate your company cook off.
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Yes, we will! I say that with extreme confidence, not because of my cooking, but because of your recipe and excellent instruction. It may not taste right to you, because I made the mistake of using a can of diced tomatoes that had Italian herbs in it, but it sure tastes great to me! I drained the veggies with the sausage in a colander over a bowl as you suggested and kept them on the next burner (not cooking) to stop the cooking. I set the timer and was extremely diligent for the 20 minutes — you are correct, that this the most important thing — I had the broth the tomatoes waiting. The bay leaves, the thyme, the tabasco. I didn’t add salt because the sausage had salt and I don’t use a lot of it, so it didn’t need it.
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Any particular rice you recommend? I am assuming this be reheated in the microwave at the office? How long would you suggest? Or should I use the stove?
I plan to take some to one of our guys who makes his own chile and let him test it out. The rest is MINE!
“We” are signed up to bring the gumbo, and another lady has her own lemon cake recipe, but we’re on the same page that it has to be made more than a day before so that all the lemon can be sucked up into the cake.
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NJL, Give it up, she is never speaking to you again. You put Italian in the gumbo.
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Just some herbs by mistake. I won’t do that next time! I’ll wear glasses next time in the store, I promise! She’s really that mad!??? Is this a good time to reveal I had to use kale, too? I mean, they really stared at me when I said collard greens or turnip greens in the food store.
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Look, I’m just a Yankee trying to win a cook-off.
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NJLawyer,
I hope you don’t mind that I’m laughing at the picture of you asking for collard or turnip greens in New Jersey.
I grew up in Phoenix with a mom who was born and reared in Connecticut . . . but her family came to America by way of South Carolina, and she spent some of her single adult years in Georgia and then some family years in Kentucky, so somewhere in there she got some Southernness rubbed in. So, one of our favorite breakfasts was grits. Now, they actually sold grits in the store in Phoenix, so I assume we weren’t quite the only family in the Valley of the Sun eating them. But I don’t think anyone in Phoenix ever asked me what I’d had for breakfast without following it up with “What’s that?” if I said I’d had grits.
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Italian tomatos shouldn’t have effected the flavor much and my father used to call kale “yankee collards” so the flavor is probably OK. Do you have a crock pot? I would keep it warm in the crock pot at work but if you do that don’t add the shrimp until you get to work that morning. Also now that you have had the trial run, I promise you the next time you cook it it will taste even better. As for rice, I just use plain old Mahatma rice and cook it 2:1. Also at a pat of butter to your water and a pinch of salt. If that is too much trouble instant rice may work just as well.
So how do you like it?
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Cheryl you are right the thought of someone standing in a store in New Jersey asking for collards or turnips is funny. Hadn’t thought of that.
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No, Cheryl, I don’t mind. It really was very funny. I go to this “hoity-toity” grocery store, and I swear the produce guy wanted to tell me I was at the wrong end of town. (They have it at the Pathmark down there.) Even the African-American butcher lady, stunned, asked “why do YOU want that?” But she suggested the kale and she told me what parts to use. (They do have frozen okra, however.)
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And we don’t have grits in Jersey either.
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61. I’m sorry.
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Kim, we were writing at the same time. Nice to know you have forgiven the Northerner her indiscretions.
I love it! And I hope it ultimately likes me. I love and handle onions well, but peppers don’t like me.
I am going to try to make my own cornbread, too, because the stuff from that same market crumbles too easily. I hope I can make that the day before.
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NJL, Maybe we need to get you up a care package.
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NJL, if you make cornbread, PLEASE! for the love of all that is sacred do not put sugar in it. The sugar goes in the tea.
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Kids and I peeled apples for two and a half hours this morning. filled several gallon bags with pie filling and one crock pot for applesauce (which smells delightful, by the way). I am hoping it is not gritty. Why would anybody want their food that way?
Just kidding, my grandfather, cajun that he was, always had grits for breakfast or dinner. I loved them but have not had them in a long long time.
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NJL, check the hot cereal aisle for grits (next to the oatmeal)–sure you don’t have them? If you do, they’re one of the cheapest foods you can buy ($1.20 or so for a box that makes a couple dozen servings), and served with butter or cheese they’re delicious. (I like just butter; my family likes cheese melted in them. With a side of link sausage they’re especially good, but just a bowl of grits works for me.) As for okra, run the other way as fast as you can–God made okra and turnips as a practical joke on Adam, and to His shock Adam actually liked them and planted them on purpose in his next garden. But they aren’t actually food.
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Eww. You put sugar in your tea?
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KBells, I will follow a recipe from my big Southern Living cookbook. Can I bake it in my big cast iron frypan and then cut it up? Seriously, how am I supposed to know all these rules anyway!?
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and use butter milk… do you know how to make cornbread? Maybe kbells and I should come to NJ for moral support. Quite honestly the last time I served it I served Italian Rustic Bread from Gambino’s. The day of the contest take a small bottle of Tabasco for the daring.
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Eww. You drink tea?
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Hey, I put sugar in my tea, too. And lemon, not milk or cream.
And Mother always used her food mill for apple sauce.
I have Cream of Wheat for breakfast made with milk, butter and a little salt.
Next Saturday, I’m making my own baked beans. That takes all day.
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Mumsee, I’ll pass on the gumbo they’re all tasting (I don’t like spicy food), but if you serve the applesauce for dessert, I’ll take a bowl. Oh, and I will try some of that cornbread if it comes out OK.
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Mumsee, if you will share your address we can get you up a care package and send you some Jim Dandy Grits.
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NJL is that the Ultimate Southern Living Cookbook because if it is the recipe on page 70 says to put sugar in it and this is blasphemy.
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“Can I bake it in my big cast iron frypan”
Absolutely, no othrer way and heat it up in the oven before you pour your batter in.
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The Tabasco was another thing! I went to that aisle in the store, sure it would be around ketchup, and it seemed as if there was everything but tabasco. And all sorts of sauces from Asia. Certainly no Louisiana anything. I looked all around for that standard bottle — who knew they put it in a box! I only discovered it when I was already muttering about how abnormal this store is.
I’ll try to make cornbread during the week. As a single person, I have a reputation to uphold. Can’t let them think I can’t cook.
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We are eating the applesauce now. Could not wait, it smelled too good. Sorry.
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Kim,
Address to:
that crazy religious lady with all of the kids and funny animals,
new to the neighborhood (only twelve years)
and my town which I have mentioned.
Should get here, no problem. Send it two day delivery and I will look for it in about a week.
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No “ultimate” in the title. This one was published in 1987. Skillet cornbread is on page 78, and there is NO sugar in the ingredients and it uses buttermilk.
I’m afraid to ask: what are cracklings in the South?
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Yuck. You do NOT want to eat cracklin’s. They are like pork rinds only they have some of the meat left on them. I have never deigned to eat cracklin’ bread. I think you will be fine with the recipe you seem to have.
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Good to know. They followed it with the suggestion about adding cracklings, assuming the reader knows what that meant, and I only know the Jewish kind, though the Yiddish word escapes me right now. That’s chicken skin. We had neither at home. And that’s … okay.
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I just put the cooled down gumbo into the refrigerator and sneaked another piece of the “sausage.” Kielbasa never tasted so good….
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Actually, Mumsee, I put Splenda in my tea now, but every so often I go crazy and have the real stuff as a treat.
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Oh a friend was telling me the other day to keep that part of the chicken and when I wanted to do roasted potatos to use it…smaltza (sp?)
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Boy. A guy takes a day off to recuperate from a little flu and this turns into a recipe exchange. I wouldn’t mind it, since I love gumbo, but the spices and my stomach aren’t exactly on good terms right now.
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Peter, let’s forget about football this weekend. OK?
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I don’t know about my fellow Yankees, but this Yankee likes sugar in her cornbread & Splenda in her tea.
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Mumsee! How selfish.
Well, I suppose I didn’t offer any food myself, just asked for some of yours. Still . . .
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Hey, if I may change the subject on a Whirled View thread . . . has anyone ever ordered anything online and paid with paypal? I just signed up for the service (I tried several years ago and they got some info wrong and didn’t seem to be able to change it). I placed a small order yesterday and paid with paypal, or thought I did. At the end a button came up, asking if I wanted to pay my paypal account now (or something like that). Well, it seemed to me that since they had my credit-card number, paying through paypal meant they’d automatically bill my credit card, so I said no. I just got an e-mail from the merchant, asking me if I was going to “complete my transaction.” I went onto the paypal site and found no “pending orders” or anything at all like that. So I’m stumped–what do I need to do, and how do I do it? I went a lot of different places on the paypal site, including help screens, and don’t have any hint of what I’m supposed to do. (Always before when I’ve placed an order online, it has been through a known merchant, like amazon.com, so I’ve simply used my credit card. This time it was an unknown site, and so signing up for paypal seemed safer. But I assumed that paying with paypal was all I needed to do, and apparently it’s not, but I don’t know what I’m supposed to do next!)
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Warning–men in the kitchen.
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Never mind, paypal query answered. Paypal had sent me what I thought was a receipt for payment, but was really a link to follow and pay.
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Cheryl – In my house, my man is not only allowed in the kitchen, he’s encouraged to be there cuz he used to cook for a living. And he is a really good cook!
That is such a blessing for me cuz he does the special cooking – holidays, company for dinner, etc.
He cooked steaks for us tonight, as a treat.
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88. Karen, then it ain’t cornbread. It’s cake.
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Cheryl, Yes the paypal process requires you to actually authorize payment from the account after you commit to purchase something. Don’t know why, but I guess it’s like telling Paypal yes, go ahead and pay this merchant this amount. So it is its own separate step.
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Karen, I didn’t have a problem with men being in the kitchen; I just thought the girls ought to be warned that they were there. Kind of like “man on the floor” in college.
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Thanks for replying, PeterL.
I read your post. That time sounds fast.
Unfortunately, I didn’t inherit the speed my grandpa and uncle (my dad’s brother) had when they were in high school.
For that matter, I didn’t inherit some of the “tall” genes from my dad’s side of the family, as I’m 5′6″ (and 1/16 or someething like that).
On the subject of height:
I find it amusing when I’m talking to a girl and say that I’m 5′6″, she says, “you can’t be; I’m 5′7″! ”
This has happened twice so far, and in both cases, the girl I was talking to was/is my height or shorter.
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BTW, it has yet to be decided whether Misten has accepted her new (ceramic) food dish. I’ve been feeding her twice a day (normally just once, but the last few days before I got the dish I switched back to twice) and pretty much just offering the rest of her breakfast when I feed her the second time. Sometimes I’ve added a little more to it.
I’m not urging her to eat or in any way doing anything “extra,” just putting it down, making her sit, and letting her eat it or not. And consistently she has been eating some, but not all, of the food in the morning (this morning she barely touched it) but (usually) eating it all in the evening. She has also done a lot of barking at it, which I’ve mostly ignored. If I can manage to get between her and the bowl when she’s barking, then instead I make her lie down. (If I tell her to lie down when I’m not between her and the bowl, instead of obeying me she jumps to the bowl and gobbles as fast as she can until I physically pull her away and make her lie down. So the only way to enforce the “lie down” is to be where I can keep her from getting to the bowl when I say it.)
Anyway, she’s more or less eating it all, but not eagerly, and I haven’t increased the quantity I’m offering although she really should be eating a bit more than she’s eating. So I don’t know if she’ll eventually decide the new dish is OK and eat better, or if we’ll just have to deal with some continuing reluctance until I finish this bag of dog food and upgrade her to a better brand (the next step).
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Tess & Cowboy will gladly finish Misten’s leftovers.
It’s dog-eat-dog at our place, the pans go down and the race is on. They finish their own bowls within moments, then switch places, and check to see if the other one left any morsel that they can claim.
Then Tess charges into the cat’s room to see if her food is still out (I’ve wised up to that, I now close the door to the spare room and let Border Kitty eat in peace — then whatever she doesn’t finish, I put inside the sealed plastic food container).
I decided to use one of those supermarket fireplace logs in the fireplace tonight (uh-huh, and I can already hear Mumsee mocking this from her Little House on the Prairie.) Annie’s enjoying lying on the #2, not-the-best sofa (the $60 Salvation Army special I picked up a few years ago) in front of the fireplace, she looks very peaceful.
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Annie eats some of her food right away, but then seems to like it left out for grazing, which really isn’t an option — although I can probably put it up higher to where Tess can’t get to it even if I leave the door open to her room. Learning as we go here. …
My friend & neighbor Ellen whom I spent the day with today recently lost her brother, it was a sudden onset of illness that lasted only 6 months or so — he was in his 50s — the doctors thought Parkinsons, but the diagnosis never was all that firm and Ellen, an RN, pressed them for more tests all along the way. He died earlier this week, not unexpected, but still …
She’s feeling a bit lost, she’d been very focused on his care all this time (she’s a believer but the only professing one in her family). She’s letting her other brother & sister take care of the fishing boat the older brother left behind, but still has some business to take care of with Social Security, etc. Anyway, if you can pray for her peace and comfort (she does feel that the brother who died had received Christ in the past few months) — and for her other siblings to come to know the Lord, it would surely be appreciated.
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Donna, I prayed for her just now.
And now, good night.
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Thank you, Cheryl.
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For those of you who are cat lovers I have a perfectly good slighly used calico cat for anyone willing to take her. She has meowed most of the night. I even slept with the bedroom door to the outside cracked so she could come and go as she pleased last night. She had food, she had water. I don’t know what she wanted.
Cheryl I am going to ask my vet friend about Misten. That is curious.
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Maybe she didn’t like what you fed her. They only do that when something is wrong. Did she poop? Maybe she needs to have her sides rubbed to get things going. There are any number of reasons, but that is not normal behavior. She could have been warning you about something outside, too.
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After I logged off last night, I checked other recipe books regarding cornbread. A lot of them had sugar in them, but they are not southern recipe books at all. (I think, Kim, that you have the right Jewish word, but I’m not sure of the spelling either.)
Cats do like to graze during the day. I give one small can in the morning, a small amount of crunchies or my guy won’t eat dinner, his second little can, but he needs the crunchies because without them, he has troubles with his bowels. He can’t do with all wet or all dry food, though he likes dry and would graze it all day. I was warned not to use a plastic dish because of bacteria and use only ceramic or glass.
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Donna, don’t let the dogs eat the cat food. It is not good for them, but since it smells stronger they are attracted to it. I have to keep Piper’s food up high or Chasey would woof it down before even looking at her own food.
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Oh, for heaven’s sake. I go away for a little bit and this thread turns into a Good Housekeeping gabfest talking about RECIPES and how much sawdust you can get away with putting in your cornbread before the company notices it doesn’t taste quite right. And non-manly, uninteresting stuff like that.
Why, before long, I suppose we will all be flouncing around wearing APRONS while we blog, with giant pink BUNNY slippers on our feet and innumerable plastic hair CURLERS frizzing out from our heads like so many attennae, trading tips on what color curtains look best in the drawing room and exactly how to get the barbecue sauce stains out of T-shirts and tips on EYESHADOW and other boring stuff like that.
We need to RE-DIRECT the current of conversation here, guys, or no telling where we will end up.
So:
How about close-calls with chain-saws or bulldozers – or both, simultaneously?
Or the proper way to stomp on a rattlesnake?
Tips on championship chewing tobacco spitting?
What is the best way to remove your boot from a combine?
A discussion on re-loading your own ammo?
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My husband believes the best way to deal with a rattlesnake is to grab your extended tree-loper–take it out to the 10 foot range– reach over and slice the rattler’s head off.
Worked very effectively here in pastoral Sonoma County, but then it was a baby lounging by the swimming pool, no doubt waiting for the lap-swimming deer.
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Amusingly, Drill just nailed my life of late. Well, not the apron and curlers and slippers part.
Eldest son recently came out to help with firewood and had his first experience with a chainsaw, nothing close-call to report here.
We already know the best way to dispatch a rattler is with the cutting edge of a shovel.
Sorry, no spitting zone.
Now we get to the winner. Last week, when we arrived at the home of our friends to go out for firewood, they had just returned from prying our milk cow from under their combine. She had been tied out there as they had taken her calf from her. She had evidently slept under the combine and managed to get her rear hoof trapped in the workings above her head. No idea how, though it was suggested she was trying to drive it or change the oil, not knowing she was on the wrong part of the equipment. Anyway, they ended up calling my friend’s brother and using a pry bar and a chain and a truck. She got a shot and nobody got to drink the milk for a while.
Most of the men in our church re-load their own ammo.
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I could have just gone shopping to get my firewood?
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I used to have my own reloading equipment until I sold it. I also have guns. I am quite handy with a .38 I do not do snake killing. That is why God created men. When I was little my grandfather often offered me a “plug” of his tobacco. I never accepted but I did learn to spit. I am afraid of chainsaws but I can drive a stevedore and use an acetylene torch.
Now, would you like some Tabasco with your gumbo? Thankfully I am not from Louisiana so you don’t have to worry that I put the leftover rattler in the gumbo
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Drill, that was one of your best.
But I digress. Back to the gumbo and cornbread and what color sheers would look best in my living room ……
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Cheryl, back at 91:
Don’t get all worked up, we just came in for a couple of cookies and some tea.
Last week, as we went through the Great Smokey Mtn. Nat’l Park, we stopped at an old farm house. They must have been prosperous because the house had a porch and two rooms, plus outhouses.
As I looked and thought on it, I considered that through the generations, people worked hard to survive, improve things and make things better for the following generation than they had.
Then suddenly, I don’t know when it happened, but we realized that we gave the kids too much.
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Drill, IF I were going to kill a snake I am a dead aim with a .22 pump.
Chas I agree with you. I remind myself that it is good for the Baby Girl to hear NO. We can’t afford it. You will have to wait. I was a very lucky child who was given just about anything money could buy and when the alcohol took over and the money dried up I was in for a rude awakening.
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For Drill & for the Ladies…
First of all, never use more sawdust in your cornbread than the amount of cornmeal you plan to use. And always check the sawdust beforehand for mice droppings, & if you have a cat, check for their droppings, too. You may not want to use damp sawdust, if you know what I mean.
Add sugar if you actually want your cornbread to taste good.
If you over-bake the cornbread, because you’ve been outside trying to get your husband’s boot & your neighbor’s cow out of your combine, do not panic.
Use hubby’s handy chainsaw to cut the burnt-to-a-crisp cornbread into dainty squares (for ladies) or hearty chunks (for the guys).
You may wish to soak your burnt cornbread in milk or tea for a few minutes (or days).
Eat & enjoy. (If you can.)
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Karen is just kidding about the burnt cornbread part, but I’ll bet she doesn’t know that cornbread and buttermilk is a southern delicacy. Grandpa Jones even has a song about “Cornbread and buttermilk and good ol turnip greens”.
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Apron, pink BUNNY slippers, plastic hair CURLERS, sounds like my goin’ to Wal Mart outfit.
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Classy, KBells, classy!
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Drill: What the heck IS a drawing room, anyway?
The best way to deal with rattle snakes is to live where is it too dang cold for them.
Mumsee, that is the most interesting cow story I think I have ever heard.
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How about this for a guy subject. Looking at the six teams they have both played and beaten, adding up the amount of points scored by them and the points scored against them and dividing those points by six, I predict that Bama will beat Florida by one point.
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KBells, Boring!! Though your Walmart getup sounds…interesting.
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KBells at walmart.
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Football – Math – a woman in over her head – what more could a guy want.
KI, my son had drawn all over several of our rooms. I wonder if that makes them drawing rooms.
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CHAS #10
And do you think DC would admit to WHY Muslims wage war?
They would not be allowed to say it, even if they think it.
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KIM #13
Prayers
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CHERYL D. #20
You are right. I have NOT read any of those books. Mysteries are more my thing. (ones that aren’t as big as “war and peace” or “little dorrit”.)
I tried to read Little Dorrit. Way too many words. It’s interesting to see how Dickens describes things and people. I got about half-way thru the book and then read the last chapter and that was it.
We just saw the new British TV version of Little Dorrit so I decided to try to read the book to see how it measured up. It is very much like the book (what I read of it).
I’ve never been very patient with too many descriptions. It’s a good thing I’m not an editor–half of that book would have been cut.
About Dickens, you get the feeling that his characters are all from real life. He either knew them personally or observed someone who looked like what he described.
I think our language has suffered because of the lack of the required reading of old classics.
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PETER #18
hope you don’t have H1N1
prayers
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MAC #32
I listened to the Lord of the Rings books on CD during the time when the movies were coming out and people were comparing them to the books.
I listened because I was sick in bed for a week. Didn’t feel like reading or watching TV.
I did enjoy the movies even with the differences.
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I noticed this on NewsMax.com
‘Consensus’ on Climate Change Is ‘Fake,’ Scientists Say
A team of scientists has sent a letter to all U.S. senators warning that a claim there is “consensus” in the scientific community on the climate change issue is false.
The letter dated Oct. 29 reads in part: “You have recently received a letter from the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS), purporting to convey a ‘consensus’ of the scientific community that immediate and drastic action is needed to avert a climatic catastrophe. . .
“The claim of consensus is fake, designed to stampede you into actions that will cripple our economy, and which you will regret for many years. There is no consensus, and even if there were, consensus is not the test of scientific validity. Theories that disagree with the facts are wrong, consensus or no.”
The five signees of the letter include professors from Princeton University, the University of Virginia and the University of California, Santa Barbara.
The letter refers to an earlier open letter sent to Congress by those five signees and others declaring: “The sky is not falling. The earth has been cooling for 10 years, without help. The present cooling was NOT predicted by the alarmists’ computer models, and has come as an embarrassment to them. . .
“We are flooded with claims that the evidence is clear, that the debate is closed, that we must act immediately, etc., but in fact there is no such evidence. It doesn’t exist.”
It continues:
http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/welcome?.partner=sbc&.gx=0&.tm=1258324371&.rand=b720n8rdjl4vr#_pg=showMessage&sMid=0&&filterBy=&.rand=1250295054&midIndex=0&mid=1_964832_AGlck0UAAFD5SwB5MAz26SUc%2FfE&f=1&m=1_964832_AGlck0UAAFD5SwB5MAz26SUc%2FfE,1_964383_AHtck0UAAHaSSwB14wW9gXtyHxw,1_3046_AG1ck0UAACLoSv3WqAIX1R5TxR8,1_3498_AG9ck0UAAC0ZSv3RqwsREgMSjGw,1_3971_AG1ck0UAAVBISv3P5QpmBhYpM9c,1_4636_AG9ck0UAAC9pSv2DaQg141ffFio,&sort=date&order=down&startMid=0&pSize=25&hash=7dac28c26b215a537856761c15a64f73&.jsrand=5271204
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News2, Re: #10
Regardless of the politics. The military should have studied the issue of how and why the Muslims make war. I attended the Naval War College for a year. Up there, and presumably at the Army & Air War Colleges, they war game every conceviable scenario.
They should be studying terrorist methods and motivation.
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CHERYL #67
I love fried okra. It has to be breaded right and fried hard.
But please don’t talk about gumbo, or slimy okra.
And I love grits with lots of butter and salt.
I lived in Statesboro, Georgia (when it was very small in the early 1970’s). At a craft class I went to some of the ladies were from the north. They talked about how they thought okra was only for decorating your flower arrangements. Okra in flower arrangements? It cracked me up.
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CHAS #129
I’m afraid for those scientists. If they are not a part of the Politically Correct camp, they will be out of there soon. Don’t think O or his czars won’t be part of their oust behind the scenes.
The WH admin. has already said they will be taking advantage of what they can. Putting big taxes on stuff because of Global Warming is one of those. People are accepting of whatever is thrown their way by the WH.
When I hear my retired teamsters white neighbor spewing stuff he heard on P.C. TV, it makes me cringe. Like CNN fired Lou Dobbs because of what or who he talked about. He pretty much wants to have Dobbs and Cheney strung up or shot. He thinks Obama can do no wrong. We just have to give Obama time to fix things.
Our neighbor is now against Joe Arpaio, our sheriff, because “Joe is profiling Mexicans”. Our neighbor hires illegals to do work around his house. There is a big controversy here. Joe is just trying to do his job, and we keep voting him back into office. Who needs to watch P.C. news, just talk to my neighbor he’ll let you know what, or who, is wrong with the U.S.
And then I said, Did you see the orange cat climb up that tree? And he said it went across the neighbors house. I said I didn’t see that. And we moved on to other stuff.
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Oh I love cornbread, collard greens and black-eyed peas.
Gotta have those greens and black-eyed peas for New Years. It’s to make you thrifty. (Does everyone share stuff like that on New Year’s Day, or there abouts?)
As we get older, I think having those black-eyed peas only once a year doesn’t set too well on the digestive track.
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KAREN O. #115
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108. 109. 111.
My brothers used to use a machette to chop coconuts in half.
I could shoot a rifle when I was young. (We lived in the city.) My brothers had a shooting war with the neighbors across the street when I was in 2nd grade. The rest of us were just running around during the whole thing. Thank God no one got hurt.
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Drill- I guess when I pop in to say the thread is to lady-ish, I should set up some possible subjects. You actually got the ladies talking about your topics!
So, I will be nice and say that I like sugar in tea, but not so much that it is a little tea with the sugar.
I have tried burnt cornbread. Just cut off the crust and the inside is not too bad, especially drowned in butter and honey. Cornbread does not need sugar as an ingredient around hear, what with honey on it.
I can only imagine why Victoria has not shown up and mentioned pink flip flops, after that bunny slipper comment. I suppose she is out trying to kill rattle snakes or mice with the orange high heels that seem to have gone out of style.
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Well if it isn’t Peter L. – how are you this lovely Sunday?
I hate snakes, mice, and anything else that resembles those creatures – We now have an adorable large squirrel that jumps into our back garden, it’s adorable – it even jumped into our atrium by the entrance from a tree next to the wall into another tree over six feet away –
Orange high heels were a summer thing, that’s over now – it’s knee high black suede boots and leggings this fall/winter -
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Kbells, sounds like you do have a drawing room then. Or, maybe, several. Perhaps you could work to make his work famous and he could do other people’s homes. If you could just make it the ‘thing’ to do for the rich and famous.
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Victoria – I’ll bet you wouldn’t think the squirrel was so cute if it got in your house, huh?
What is the “in” thing to wear with those boots & leggings this year?
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We have a lot of little squirrels, and I don’t see how they’ll be fattened up by the dead of winter.
The only thing I thought sawdust was good for was if you made a mistake in a mitre or some such thing, you could add a little glue to the sawdust and fill in the space and no one would be the wiser, or so my father always said.
I’m sorry, Drill, about the recipe stuff, but I’m a Yankee, and I needed help.
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Hey, it looks like Misten has decided that ceramic bowls with little bone-shaped designs meet her exacting tastes after all. This morning she finally ate everything I gave her for breakfast (though I could have done without the running “commentary”–I would like to know who bred collies that bark at their food into the gene pool).
So this evening, since there were no breakfast leftovers, I had to give her fresh kibble. I gave her less than I gave her this morning (even though she has been eating more for dinner than for breakfast), and she finished it quickly and then gazed sadly into her bowl. “Is that all? Is Miss Cheryl trying to starve me?” She didn’t seem to realize that she’d eaten more today than she usually eats. All she knew was that she wasn’t full yet, and this new bowl doesn’t ruin her appetite. So I gave her about another half cup, and she ate it and gazed into her bowl again . . . but I didn’t give her thirds.
I imagine at her next vet appointment, her doctor will tell me she has regained the weight she gradually lost.
And for those cat lovers out there, yes, my dog got me to buy her a new bowl, but she’s five years old, so one can’t exactly say she “trained” me quickly. For the most part, I’m the one who decides how things operate around here–what time we get up, what time my dog eats, etc. The only “exception” is that when she comes over asking to be petted, she usually gets her way. (She isn’t overly affectionate that way, so when she’s in the mood, I’m flattered and I take a few moments to indulge myself with a caress of living fur.)
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KI, I had hoped that if he were going to write on something he knows he’s not suppose to write on, he would have been smart enough not to write his name.
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Drill,
While we have a variety of “weapons” at our disposal (what do you define as a weapon? Is a gun or a knife a weapon or a tool? Or are it/they be both?), for dispatching a snake, my dad used the old-fashioned method of chopping off its head with a shovel.
I might prefer emptying both barrels into the creature with of our old side-by-side .20-gauge shotgun if it was a big snake.
That might attract some attention from our neghbors, although we don’t currently have next-door neighboors on either side of our house. Overkill can be good.
Woe be to Jason Voorhees, Leatherface, Jigsaw, or any other human serial killer* who enters my house with a bladed weapon and deadly intent. As far as I know, they’re not bulletproof!
*As long as they’re mortal, don’t possess any superpowers like Sylar from Heroes, don’t wear bulletprrof armor (I don’t currently have a grenade launcher or a .50-cal) and solely use close-range weapons such as chainsaws, machetes, knives, etc.,
Killers beware.
I may be able to put an end to them with multiple shots from a pump-action 12-gauge (the most likely weapon I’d use)
Adios, everyone.
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#109 Drill. LOL! Yep, this is definitely a female thread! Chas initiated a guy topic in #129. I considered chiming in but I was distracted by thoughts of fried okra (I have no idea what that is) and craklin’s (huh?). Thanks to Mumsee who said, “Most of the men in our church re-load their own ammo.” Rarrrr!
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Karen O – of course I don’t want the squirrel in my house, LOL – what sort of problems can I expect IF the squirrel DOES make a visit? – I have a feeling I’m not going to like the answer, but go ahead and reveal the terrible truth –
As far as my boots and leggings – a sweater and cute jacket, or another sweater. It’s really a fun look as most of us already have sweaters, and leggings are inexpensive. I never thought I would love leggings, but I do. The boots are a real treat.
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A friend of mine (a guy I once heard described as a seventh degree redneck) has a pet squirrel. He’s had it for at least ten years. A game warden told him it was probably the oldest squirrel in Alabama.
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Kbells, I hope he didn’t ask you how you knew he was the one who wrote on the walls!
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So all Misten wanted all this time was some fine dinnerware, suitable for a real collie.
Glad she’s rediscovered her appetite.
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KI, He denied that he did it until I pointed out his name. He does have a friend down the street who also likes to write on things. I stopped letting go down there to play for awhile because the friend kept writing on the kid. He would come back looking like he was dressed for a war party
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KBells,
That reminds me of a story from when I had the foster girls, in the “things parents learn the hard way” category. The younger girl (5) couldn’t be trusted with writing implements: crayons, pencils, etc. I gave them coloring books, but monitored such things and took them away as soon as they were finished. I still have a few small crayon marks around my home.
Anyway, I once found a pencil scribble in their bathroom. Not initially sure which one made it, I looked closer and realized it spelled a name. I called the culprit in and made her erase it . . . and made the mistake of letting her know how I knew she was the culprit. I knew, the moment I said it, what would happen next.
Sure enough, a few days later, said five-year-old called me over to a different wall bearing her sister’s name (misspelled) to show me what “her sister” had done. Ah, kids. It has been two years now since they lived with me, but I’d take them in again in a heartbeat.
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Chas’s link doesn’t work (Chas, it goes to your Yahoo e-mail, not the original article) but I found a copy of the letter elsewhere online.
It is not very impressive. It makes at least two bogus arguments. For one, climate scientists are not embarrassed by recent cooling, and it does not mean anything for the long term trend of warming. The cooling is relatively minimal, and what’s important is the long term. 2008 was slightly cooler than past years … but it was still the 10th warmest on record. That does not mean everything is fine.
Secondly, the letter writers insult meteorologists by saying they can’t accurately predict the weather, and then conflate short-term weather predictions with long-range climate models. This is apples and oranges.
Finally, while it is true that six of the seven signers are scientists, four of them are physicists. They are doubtless very smart and adept in their fields, but physics is not climate science. If your family doctor signed a letter expressing a position on geology, would you be impressed that a scientist held that position?
The remaining two scientists are a professor of environmental sciences emeritus (read: retired)and one meteorologist.
And that seventh signer?
Roger W. Cohen
Manager, Strategic Planning and Programs, ExxonMobil Corporation (retired)
Fellow APS
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Cheryl, LOL. Cute story.
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I re-post the following only for Conan’s benefit. Most of you have seen it before.
An interesting article in the Washington Times ( Dec. 15 Weekly) by David Deming, a geophysicist and adjunct scholar with the National Center for Policy Analysis and associate professor at the U. of Oklahoma. He says that Obama wants to mitigate global warming by enacting a cap-and-trade policy. His second paragraph:
“But the last two years of global cooling have nearly erased 30 years of temperature increases. To the extent that global warming ever existed it is now officially over”.
He continues, giving evidence of that. Then, far down the column.
“This is an absurd spectacle. Our advanced civilization is being systematically mismanaged by technically illiterate lawyers responding to political pressure from irrational fanatics…. To the extent global warming was ever valid, it is now officially over. It is time to file this theory in the dustbin of history.”
His concluding statement: “Weather and climate change are natural processes beyond human control. To argue otherwise is to deny the factual evidence.”
This cap-and-trade scheme is a scam that will generate a bubble of speculation that will burst and leave everyone with nothing. It is a government created commodity. Worse than paper money. It will go up fast and lose it’s value faste
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Also, for perspective on how much these people know what they’re talking about:
“The threat of a new ice age must now stand alongside nuclear war as a likely source of wholesale death and misery for mankind.”- Nigel Calder, International Wildlife, June 1975
“Certain signs, some of them visible to the layman as well as the scientist, indicate that we have been watching an ice age approach for some time without realizing what we are seeing… Scientists predict that it will cause great snows which the world has not seen since the last ice age thousands of years ago.”
- Betty Friedan, “The coming Ice Age”, Harper’s Magazine, Sept, 1958.
“We can and should seize upon the energy crisis as a good excuse and great opportunity for making some very fundamental changes that we should be making anyhow for other reasons.”
- Russell Train, Science 184 p. 1050, 7 June 1974. Train was EPA Administrator at the time, and soon thereafter became head of the World Wildlife Fund.
“The continued rapid cooling of the earth since WWII is in accord with the increase in global air pollution associated with industrialisation, mechanisation, urbanisation and exploding population.”
- Reid Bryson, “Global Ecology; Readings towards a rational strategy for Man”, 1971
“This cooling has already killed hundreds of thousands of people. If it continues and no strong action is taken, it will cause world famine, world chaos and world war, and this could all come about before the year 2000.”
- Lowell Ponte “The Cooling”, 1976
BTW, I read somewhere recently (forgot where), that AlGore will likely be the first carbon billionaire.
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Both Al Gore and George Soros are heavily invested in climate change policy becoming law. They both stand to make billions if not trillions of dollars once their buddy Obama gets this rammed through Congress.
I still think one of the biggest evidences that climate change is a farce is that they had to change the language from “global warming” to “climate change” because there is so much evidence that there is no global warming.
Just another present from Obama to the people propping him up in the form of financial wealth. Has anybody else noticed that the wealthiest people in the nation are being joined by people in unions and that if anybody could get an accurate picture of Soros’ wealth he may indeed be one of the top 5?
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The link BTW, does get back to the NewsMax article if we look for it.
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Chas from Physorg, another controversial climate study.
http://www.physorg.com/news177059550.html
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