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		<title>By: Thorn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chas from Physorg, another controversial climate study.

http://www.physorg.com/news177059550.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chas from Physorg, another controversial climate study.</p>
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		<title>By: Chas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The link BTW, does get back to the NewsMax article if we look for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The link BTW, does get back to the NewsMax article if we look for it.
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		<title>By: ItsAboutFreedom</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both Al Gore and George Soros are heavily invested in climate change policy becoming law.  They both stand to make billions if not trillions of dollars once their buddy Obama gets this rammed through Congress.

I still think one of the biggest evidences that climate change is a farce is that they had to change the language from &quot;global warming&quot; to &quot;climate change&quot; because there is so much evidence that there is no global warming.

Just another present from Obama to the people propping him up in the form of financial wealth.  Has anybody else noticed that the wealthiest people in the nation are being joined by people in unions and that if anybody could get an accurate picture of Soros&#039; wealth he may indeed be one of the top 5?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both Al Gore and George Soros are heavily invested in climate change policy becoming law.  They both stand to make billions if not trillions of dollars once their buddy Obama gets this rammed through Congress.</p>
<p>I still think one of the biggest evidences that climate change is a farce is that they had to change the language from &#8220;global warming&#8221; to &#8220;climate change&#8221; because there is so much evidence that there is no global warming.</p>
<p>Just another present from Obama to the people propping him up in the form of financial wealth.  Has anybody else noticed that the wealthiest people in the nation are being joined by people in unions and that if anybody could get an accurate picture of Soros&#8217; wealth he may indeed be one of the top 5?
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		<title>By: Chas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, for perspective on how much these people know what they&#039;re talking about:

“The threat of a new ice age must now stand alongside nuclear war as a likely source of wholesale death and misery for mankind.”- Nigel Calder, International Wildlife, June 1975

“Certain signs, some of them visible to the layman as well as the scientist, indicate that we have been watching an ice age approach for some time without realizing what we are seeing... Scientists predict that it will cause great snows which the world has not seen since the last ice age thousands of years ago.”
- Betty Friedan, &quot;The coming Ice Age&quot;, Harper&#039;s Magazine, Sept, 1958.

“We can and should seize upon the energy crisis as a good excuse and great opportunity for making some very fundamental changes that we should be making anyhow for other reasons.”
- Russell Train, Science 184 p. 1050, 7 June 1974. Train was EPA Administrator at the time, and soon thereafter became head of the World Wildlife Fund.

&quot;The continued rapid cooling of the earth since WWII is in accord with the increase in global air pollution associated with industrialisation, mechanisation, urbanisation and exploding population.&quot;
- Reid Bryson, &quot;Global Ecology; Readings towards a rational strategy for Man&quot;, 1971

“This cooling has already killed hundreds of thousands of people. If it continues and no strong action is taken, it will cause world famine, world chaos and world war, and this could all come about before the year 2000.&quot;
- Lowell Ponte &quot;The Cooling&quot;, 1976

BTW, I read somewhere recently (forgot where), that AlGore will likely be the first carbon billionaire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, for perspective on how much these people know what they&#8217;re talking about:</p>
<p>“The threat of a new ice age must now stand alongside nuclear war as a likely source of wholesale death and misery for mankind.”- Nigel Calder, International Wildlife, June 1975</p>
<p>“Certain signs, some of them visible to the layman as well as the scientist, indicate that we have been watching an ice age approach for some time without realizing what we are seeing&#8230; Scientists predict that it will cause great snows which the world has not seen since the last ice age thousands of years ago.”<br />
- Betty Friedan, &#8220;The coming Ice Age&#8221;, Harper&#8217;s Magazine, Sept, 1958.</p>
<p>“We can and should seize upon the energy crisis as a good excuse and great opportunity for making some very fundamental changes that we should be making anyhow for other reasons.”<br />
- Russell Train, Science 184 p. 1050, 7 June 1974. Train was EPA Administrator at the time, and soon thereafter became head of the World Wildlife Fund.</p>
<p>&#8220;The continued rapid cooling of the earth since WWII is in accord with the increase in global air pollution associated with industrialisation, mechanisation, urbanisation and exploding population.&#8221;<br />
- Reid Bryson, &#8220;Global Ecology; Readings towards a rational strategy for Man&#8221;, 1971</p>
<p>“This cooling has already killed hundreds of thousands of people. If it continues and no strong action is taken, it will cause world famine, world chaos and world war, and this could all come about before the year 2000.&#8221;<br />
- Lowell Ponte &#8220;The Cooling&#8221;, 1976</p>
<p>BTW, I read somewhere recently (forgot where), that AlGore will likely be the first carbon billionaire.
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		<title>By: Chas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I re-post the following only for Conan&#039;s benefit.  Most of you have seen it before.


An interesting article in the &lt;I&gt;Washington Times&lt;/I&gt; ( Dec. 15 Weekly) by David Deming, a geophysicist and adjunct scholar with the National Center for Policy Analysis and associate professor at the U. of Oklahoma.  He says that Obama wants to mitigate global warming by enacting a cap-and-trade policy.  His second paragraph:
“But the last two years of global cooling have nearly erased 30 years of temperature increases. To the extent that global warming ever existed it is now officially over”.  
He continues, giving evidence of that.  Then, far down the column.  
“This is an absurd spectacle.  Our advanced civilization is being systematically mismanaged by technically illiterate lawyers responding to political pressure from irrational fanatics…. To the extent global warming was ever valid, it is now officially over.  It is time to file this theory in the dustbin of history.”  
His concluding statement:  “Weather and climate change are natural processes beyond human control.  To argue otherwise is to deny the factual evidence.”
This cap-and-trade scheme is a scam that will generate a bubble of speculation that will burst and leave everyone with nothing.  It is a government created commodity.  Worse than paper money.  It will go up fast and lose it’s value faste</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I re-post the following only for Conan&#8217;s benefit.  Most of you have seen it before.</p>
<p>An interesting article in the <i>Washington Times</i> ( Dec. 15 Weekly) by David Deming, a geophysicist and adjunct scholar with the National Center for Policy Analysis and associate professor at the U. of Oklahoma.  He says that Obama wants to mitigate global warming by enacting a cap-and-trade policy.  His second paragraph:<br />
“But the last two years of global cooling have nearly erased 30 years of temperature increases. To the extent that global warming ever existed it is now officially over”.<br />
He continues, giving evidence of that.  Then, far down the column.<br />
“This is an absurd spectacle.  Our advanced civilization is being systematically mismanaged by technically illiterate lawyers responding to political pressure from irrational fanatics…. To the extent global warming was ever valid, it is now officially over.  It is time to file this theory in the dustbin of history.”<br />
His concluding statement:  “Weather and climate change are natural processes beyond human control.  To argue otherwise is to deny the factual evidence.”<br />
This cap-and-trade scheme is a scam that will generate a bubble of speculation that will burst and leave everyone with nothing.  It is a government created commodity.  Worse than paper money.  It will go up fast and lose it’s value faste
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		<title>By: kBells</title>
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		<dc:creator>kBells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheryl, LOL. Cute story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheryl, LOL. Cute story.
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		<title>By: ConanTheLibrarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>ConanTheLibrarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chas&#039;s link doesn&#039;t work (Chas, it goes to your Yahoo e-mail, not the original article) but I found a copy of the letter &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.climatedepot.com/a/1745/Scientists-Write-Open-Letter-to-Congress-You-Are-Being-Deceived-About-Global-Warming--Earth-has-been-cooling-for-ten-years&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;elsewhere online.&lt;/a&gt;

It is not very impressive. It makes at least two bogus arguments. For one, climate scientists are not embarrassed by recent cooling, and it does not mean anything for the long term trend of warming. The cooling is relatively minimal, and what&#039;s important is the long term. 2008 was slightly cooler than past years ... but it was still the 10th warmest on record. That does not mean everything is fine.

Secondly, the letter writers insult meteorologists by saying they can&#039;t accurately predict the weather, and then conflate short-term weather predictions with long-range climate models. This is apples and oranges. 

Finally, while it is true that six of the seven signers are scientists, four of them are physicists. They are doubtless very smart and adept in their fields, but physics is not climate science. If your family doctor signed a letter expressing a position on geology, would you be impressed that a scientist held that position?

The remaining two scientists are a professor of environmental sciences emeritus (read: retired)and one meteorologist. 

And that seventh signer? 

Roger W. Cohen
Manager, Strategic Planning and Programs, ExxonMobil Corporation (retired)
Fellow APS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chas&#8217;s link doesn&#8217;t work (Chas, it goes to your Yahoo e-mail, not the original article) but I found a copy of the letter <a href="http://www.climatedepot.com/a/1745/Scientists-Write-Open-Letter-to-Congress-You-Are-Being-Deceived-About-Global-Warming--Earth-has-been-cooling-for-ten-years" rel="nofollow">elsewhere online.</a></p>
<p>It is not very impressive. It makes at least two bogus arguments. For one, climate scientists are not embarrassed by recent cooling, and it does not mean anything for the long term trend of warming. The cooling is relatively minimal, and what&#8217;s important is the long term. 2008 was slightly cooler than past years &#8230; but it was still the 10th warmest on record. That does not mean everything is fine.</p>
<p>Secondly, the letter writers insult meteorologists by saying they can&#8217;t accurately predict the weather, and then conflate short-term weather predictions with long-range climate models. This is apples and oranges. </p>
<p>Finally, while it is true that six of the seven signers are scientists, four of them are physicists. They are doubtless very smart and adept in their fields, but physics is not climate science. If your family doctor signed a letter expressing a position on geology, would you be impressed that a scientist held that position?</p>
<p>The remaining two scientists are a professor of environmental sciences emeritus (read: retired)and one meteorologist. </p>
<p>And that seventh signer? </p>
<p>Roger W. Cohen<br />
Manager, Strategic Planning and Programs, ExxonMobil Corporation (retired)<br />
Fellow APS
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		<title>By: Cheryl D.</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 04:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KBells,

That reminds me of a story from when I had the foster girls, in the &quot;things parents learn the hard way&quot; category. The younger girl (5) couldn&#039;t be trusted with writing implements: crayons, pencils, etc. I gave them coloring books, but monitored such things and took them away as soon as they were finished. I still have a few small crayon marks around my home.

Anyway, I once found a pencil scribble in their bathroom. Not initially sure which one made it, I looked closer and realized it spelled a name. I called the culprit in and made her erase it . . . and made the mistake of letting her know how I knew she was the culprit. I knew, the moment I said it, what would happen next.

Sure enough, a few days later, said five-year-old called me over to a different wall bearing her sister&#039;s name (misspelled) to show me what &quot;her sister&quot; had done. Ah, kids. It has been two years now since they lived with me, but I&#039;d take them in again in a heartbeat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KBells,</p>
<p>That reminds me of a story from when I had the foster girls, in the &#8220;things parents learn the hard way&#8221; category. The younger girl (5) couldn&#8217;t be trusted with writing implements: crayons, pencils, etc. I gave them coloring books, but monitored such things and took them away as soon as they were finished. I still have a few small crayon marks around my home.</p>
<p>Anyway, I once found a pencil scribble in their bathroom. Not initially sure which one made it, I looked closer and realized it spelled a name. I called the culprit in and made her erase it . . . and made the mistake of letting her know how I knew she was the culprit. I knew, the moment I said it, what would happen next.</p>
<p>Sure enough, a few days later, said five-year-old called me over to a different wall bearing her sister&#8217;s name (misspelled) to show me what &#8220;her sister&#8221; had done. Ah, kids. It has been two years now since they lived with me, but I&#8217;d take them in again in a heartbeat.
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		<title>By: kBells</title>
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		<dc:creator>kBells</dc:creator>
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		<description>KI, He denied that he did it until I pointed out his name. He does have a friend down the street who also likes to write on things. I stopped letting go down there to play for awhile because the friend kept writing on the kid. He would come back looking like he was dressed for a war party</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KI, He denied that he did it until I pointed out his name. He does have a friend down the street who also likes to write on things. I stopped letting go down there to play for awhile because the friend kept writing on the kid. He would come back looking like he was dressed for a war party
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		<description>So all Misten wanted all this time was some fine dinnerware, suitable for a real collie. :-) Glad she&#039;s rediscovered her appetite.</description>
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