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The horrors of China’s one-child policy
Last week, in anticipation of President Obama’s trip to China, Chinese activists testified before Congress about how Chinese officials still allow forced abortions, sterilization, and infanticide in their efforts to enforce the country’s one-child policy. WORLD news editor Jamie Dean shares the story of one of those who testified, a woman called Wujuan:
During her testimony, Wujuan recounted what she called her “journey in hell”: learning she was pregnant without a required birth permit from the Chinese government; hiding from authorities in a dilapidated house with no electricity in a remote area as her baby grew in her womb; being discovered by authorities and forced into a grisly hospital with other pregnant women facing a similar fate. Finally, she told the excruciating end: begging for her child’s life as doctors pulled the baby apart with scissors. . . .
Wujuan told the congressional committee that only God’s forgiveness and her new-found Christian faith sustain her, and that she believes she’ll see her baby again: “If God allows, I will ask forgiveness from my baby when I see him in heaven.”
Read Jamie’s report in its entirety here.
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In our country, where abortion is allowed right up to the moment of delivery, why would her testimony matter?
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What is the proper number of people for the world to have?
What is the proper number of people for mainland China to have?
How should that goal be achieved?
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Random, figure that out and we’ll just off some of the one’s already out of the womb. What’s the difference?
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Too true, Kbells. That is more honest.
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If Obama wasnt too busy playing Ostrich to the Japanese…he might have actually seen what’s going on in China…
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Random Name 11.16.09 AT 12:58 PM
What is the proper number of people for the world to have?
What is the proper number of people for mainland China to have?
How should that goal be achieved?
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Do you support this idea in our nation?
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Agreed, Met #1.
Just think, since we owe our entire economy to the Chi-coms, will we soon be living in a similar situation? (Forced to do things we now have a choice on, that is.)
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RN
Do you believe it is possible to accurately answer any of those questions? If so, what criteria would be used to determine appropriate numbers? What values would be used to decide who would have to go if the maximum number is exceeded? Who gets to decide such things?
I realize that is a series of questions, but answers to the first two would be appreciated.
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Obama and his administration and our very worthless congressional leaders cannot do anything about China and cannot stand up to any of China’s many human rights attrocities because they have mortgaged our country to the Chinese.
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I think the world is overpopulated.
I don’t know how to prove this statement. I don’t know what to do about it if it is true.
As far as our nation goes, the answer is relative. We use up quite a bit more of the world’s resources per person than many other countries. Is that fair? Should anything be done about it?
If Heaven existed (something I very much doubt but cannot prove one way or the other), I presume it has infinite space and infinite resources.
I guess our job down here on earth is to provide an infinite number of souls to fill the clouds of Heaven or the pit of Hell, which I presume also has infinite capacity.
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If the world is overpopulated, is China’s solution appropriate? If not, do you think our nation should address it in our ongoing conversation with China?
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Random Name – yes or no please
do you support China system?
do you believe our Nation should also enforce the China System here?
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RN,
If you gave everyone a sq foot in which to stand we would all just about fit into the city of Jacksonville, Fl I believe…still think we are overpopulated?
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Answering #10.
According to several studies, we are not producing enough children to keep the population stable. This is the US, Europe, and Russia. (On the other hand, the Muslim families in every major nation they appear, are producing more than enough children to become the major population demographic in 20-50 years.)
Revelation 21-22 is clear that at Christ’s coming, all the saved will be on Earth, not in Heaven.
The Bible says that Hell “is enlarged” to hold as many people as necessary, then it (as the Earth) will be tossed into the Lake of Fire. A new Heavens and Earth will be made.
So our job is not to fill an infinite Heaven with an infinite number of souls.
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People have been making the over populated argument for about 30 years, oh about the same time as we began to justify and legalize abortion but I’m sure that has nothing to do with the argument, nor does avoiding the facts that as a world we are not over populated.
We may be over populated by people who have liberal agenda’s that basically deny the existence of God and do everything possible to make sure that the next generation doesn’t stand a chance on this earth. I have found that speaking with older liberals that they are very disappointed that since they are so miserable in their existence that everybody doesn’t join them in their miserableness.
This is just another excuse to kill people and get away with it legally. If I were to walk up to somebody on the street with a gun and shoot them in the head, we call it murder. But if I were an abortion doctor and I walked up to your pregnant daughter with forceps and a vacuum and pull and then suck apart the fetus in the womb I am a hero to many people including the Chinese government.
Explain to me how that makes sense?
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RN, of course we use more than the average country in terms of resources, but that stands to reason considering we are still the economic engine of the world. My car engine uses more energy that my windshield wiper motor because it is responsible for providing power to the powertrain.
Our productivity is second to none. The red herring of using a disproportionate level of resources has to factor in that if we ran our economies the way the rest of the word does, we’d be in the same sad economic shape as they are.
Overcrowding is not the problem. 2% of the the U.S. population grows enough food for our country and a huge part of the rest of the world. Certainly if other countries would learn to manage their resources better they would be in better shape as well.
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I think people who talk about overcrowding should probably occasionally get in an airplane and fly from one end of this country to the other, and see how tiny a percentage of land is actually used by people. I don’t know how much other countries have the same issue, but for sure we have it here.
Random, I have no idea how “overpopulated” China is or isn’t, nor is it my “responsibility” to find a solution. But killing innocent people is NEVER a solution, so for starters that one simply needs to be removed from the table.
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This subject is near and dear to my heart. I have a family member who goes to China on a regular basis. He ended up helping to bring a pregnant woman and her child to the states so she would not have to abort the child. Many many horror stories. China now has a huge problem concerning population. Because the male is considered the “prize” some parents give up their firstborn if it is a girl. That is why almost all adoptions are baby girls. Rarely are there boys to adopt from China. Second, because parents in China give away their girls so they can have a boy there is now a critical shortage of women for the men to marry. This is a serious problem. The grandmothers are expected to raise the children of the next generation since all women work in the work force. When you run out of grandmas you have no one to not only care for the children but you run out of people to help with the family systems.
The young woman that my family member helped bring here had to be so careful. Apparently there are Chineese in our country that dont hesitate to “tell on” anyone who is trying to avoid the law. They actually had to hide her for the pregnancy and then when the child was born the child became a US citizen who is protected.
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IAF 15 – Overpopulation talk has gone back a lot more than that – I believe it was a very popular topic beginning about 150 years ago. “Running out of food” was the idea then. The whole “selective breeding” eugenics movement was very popular in the early 20th century, up until WWII when the Nazi’s showed where that train of thought leads.
All the overpopulation talk is misguided. Yes, there are more people on earth now than any time before. No, that doesn’t mean we need to kill people to make room. We make it work. Not cut into people’s freedom to reproduce, or kill their children. Can’t believe I have to make that argument…
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RN’s statements here prove that he shouldn’t be entertained via a response to his idiotic views on the population in this world.
Now that that is out of the way…The statement that this lady needed a permit to have a child! A PERMIT!!! Oh Father have mercy!!!!!!
This is the natural end game for Planned Parenthood. I know that they do more than abortions, but THEY ARE TAINTED BY THIS! WHAT HAPPENED TO HUMAN DECENCY? HOW HAVE WE FALLEN TO SUCH A LOW OUT LOOK ON THE BEAUTY OF A HUMAN LIFE?
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Ok, WAY to graphic.
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“THEY ARE TAINTED BY THIS! WHAT HAPPENED TO HUMAN DECENCY? HOW HAVE WE FALLEN TO SUCH A LOW OUT LOOK ON THE BEAUTY OF A HUMAN LIFE? ”
BrotherDan – What does God’s Word say the end days will look like.
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All those little boys and no girls–make good soldiers for the Chinese cause at the end?
Won’t that be sad when the gov’t takes away their only child, a boy, to serve in the Chinese military.
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Muslims have to have a lot more children. Especially when some Muslims feel it’s ok to blow them up to kill “the enemy”. Or to kill their own children because they left the Muslim faith.
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Pastor Roy-22
I understand the “last days” analogy. But I don’t like it. I don’t know your eschactological views, but we are to be “salt and light” in this world. And that includes speaking out against these things.
I don’t mean that as an attack on your end times quote. I just want to caution us Christians against throwing our hands up and saying, “oh well, these are the last days, don’t you know?”.
The last days started after the ascension of our Lord. Paul states as much.
I’m sorry, Pastor Roy. That has become my little “soap box” of late.
God bless you, as you continue to fight the good fight.
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BrotherDan 11.16.09 AT 5:12 PM
Pastor Roy-22
I understand the “last days” analogy. But I don’t like it. I don’t know your eschactological views, but we are to be “salt and light” in this world. And that includes speaking out against these things.
I don’t mean that as an attack on your end times quote. I just want to caution us Christians against throwing our hands up and saying, “oh well, these are the last days, don’t you know?”.
The last days started after the ascension of our Lord. Paul states as much.
I’m sorry, Pastor Roy. That has become my little “soap box” of late.
God bless you, as you continue to fight the good fight.
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no reason to say you are sorry, I am in agreement with you. I see look as theend days comes, we are to be the light but we should not be shocked by the action of people
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I have said in the past that I am not in favor of abortion and that I find the passion and emotion expended on abortion peculiar and excessive in comparison to other crimes and cruelties of the world. I also said that the passion expended at wmb on abortion in the United States peculiar when abortion is so common in China.
(I have also speculated that some of the passion about abortion is displaced anger about miscarriages, an unhappy experience I have been close to, and might be regarded as abortions by the Divine Being, who, of course, is the definition of good.)
If I were a narcissistic personality, I would take this blog post as a response to the criticism about China. I am not sure what posting comments on worldmagblog does to change how China handles the problem of birth control through abortion, but it’s a start. I await news of the invasion, though that may have to wait until Sarah Palin is elected President.
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In regard to the questions I raised in #2, I regard #3 and #4 as basically irrelevant and red herrings, though I presume they are meant well.
In regard to #11 and #12, in regard to my number #10, I am still mulling this issues over. My general thoughts on population and child rearing are that:
1) We should develop birth control to be as effective as possible. I don’t regard birth control pills and day after pills as abortions.
2) I don’t know what I would do if I were President of the United States. Although I am close to being an atheist, and do not consider prayer a useful activity, if I woke up tomorrow and found myself in the White House and people addressing me a “Mr. President,” I would start praying as hard as I could.
2b) If I woke up tomorrow and found myself in the Red House (or whatever they call the palace where the President or Premier or Chief Dictator or whatever he is called who runs China) and found people addressing me (and I suddenly understanding Chinese) I would pray a hundred times harder.
In other words, I am not sure what a government can or should do about population.
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From Wikipedia:
Overpopulation is a condition where an organism’s numbers exceed the carrying capacity of its habitat. In common parlance, the term usually refers to the relationship between the human population and its environment, the Earth.[1]
Overpopulation does not depend only on the size or density of the population, but on the ratio of population to available sustainable resources.
More later. Go produce a baby in the meantime if you think that is what God wants you to do.
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RN you have made me laugh. I never knew you could be so humorous. “GO produce a baby
In my case, the spirit might be willing but the flesh is weak!
You mentioned what your response would be if you woke up and found yourself president from either the USA or China. Your response surprised me. It doesnt seem like you actually wrote that. Did you get invaded by an alien? What would cause you to pray when you have shared that you dont believe God really exists?
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Apparently everybody at worldmagblog is sure they would no better how to run the world than the President of the United States.
I didn’t think I could do a better job than George Bush. I don’t think I could do a better job than Barak Obama. I guess I am the dumbest person on the planet.
In my case, the spirit might be willing but the flesh is weak!
Not asking for an explanation of that cryptic remark.
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Since Obama is in China begging for more money, I haven’t heard him say anything about Wujuan’s testimony or the following:
“Chinese officials still allow forced abortions, sterilization, and infanticide in their efforts to enforce the country’s one-child policy.”
More importantly, Obama has surrounded himself with Marxists and Maoists and defends his own Science Czar John Holdren who advocates the same treatment of women and children, if overpopulation ever reaches the tipping point, as deemed by the government.
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RN
Just because we don’t like what Obama is doing, doesn’t mean that we think we know how to run a country.
It’s kind of like being a parent of 2 children. When one child whines against the other child, you don’t break their cookie in half and give it to the whiner. That encourages whining. (Maybe you could hire a nanny (czar) to control the cookie jar. We need to be sure that everyone gets equal amount of cookies no matter what.)
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Obama wearing that Asian shirt in the photo op was interesting.
In V the woman dressed in Asian clothes to meet with the Asians.
Ok, maybe Obama is an ALIEN? Just like in V? Snake?
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There are a lot of bad things happening in China these days. However, I heard Loren Cunningham (founder of YWAM) claim a few years ago that China could become the next great Christian nation.
That may seem impossible with all the evil things happening there. When Mr. Cunningham made that statement the current estimate was 10,000 new Christians/day in China.
It would obviously take more than that to overcome a majority of their population, but it is a good start.
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