“Pleasantly surprised” at Going Rogue
When WORLD senior writer and book reviewer Susan Olasky first picked up Sarah Palin’s Going Rogue at the bookstore yesterday, she didn’t have high expectations. She writes:
Most political autobiographies are boring because the candidate is afraid to write anything that might lose a vote, so I was pleasantly surprised to find the first half of the book to be vivid and revealing. Palin (helped by WORLD senior writer Lynn Vincent) describes her Alaska childhood, her teenage years, meeting Todd, working her way through college, eloping (and rustling up a couple of witnesses from a nursing home), and having babies. Meanwhile, she was developing her Christian faith and a libertarian-leaning political philosophy that eventually led her into local politics.
Susan goes on to talk about the other half of the book, which relives the 2008 presidential campaign:
I understand why she felt she had to defend herself from anonymous attacks, but that part of the book seems old, although she does include some weird tidbits: For example, McCain campaign manager Steve Schmidt was apparently concerned that Palin was on the Atkins diet and told her to stop, adding that the campaign was going to bring a nutritionist on board to teach her how to eat.
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Thanks very much for Susan’s writing of this book review. It seems to me the most balanced of the critical, slanted, biased issues coming out of a biased liberal press. One could just take the book at face value: Sarah Palin wanted to write a book (her thoughts, comments), and someone wanted to pay her to do it, even provide help. Let is be that much at least. I tend to agree with her comments on the McCain staff members, arrogant that they might be. I worked extensively on the campaign: issues, suggestions, feedback to them, and received the same sort of treatment: requesting that I write on some matters, then ignoring receipt of them; saying they would publish something, and then they did not! Still I stayed with McCain verbally and financially. There were some strong elements to John McCain, and by far the lesser of the two “evils”, in my opinion! By the way, I believe I can write accurately and with clarity for the reader, as others have indicated, and I have many other publications!
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I am going to read this book.
I wonder how much of the attack on Palin is because she is a Christian — not a mush mouth words only, but someone who truly believes and acts on her faith and principles.
Experienced? No.
But lighten up.
I just appreciate that she talks about her faith and lives it.
David
http://www.redletterbelievers.com
Salt and Light
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Olasky says Palin’s story is a compelling saga because she’s a working mom who lived the American working mom’s dream: she managed to have it all, didn’t have to sacrifice either career or family. For that she should be admired, Olasky says.
Maybe so. But the opposition to Palin is not over her “working mom making it work” story. It’s over the politics she espouses and represents.
And of those politics, Rod Dreher, conservative columnist and Crunchy Con blogger on Belief.net, takes a view much less laudatory than Olasky’s.
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Not sure what you mean by inexperienced. She took on the old boys network in Alaska and won, and then served as Governor and endured a withering campaign that would have defeated lesser mortals. The president, by contrast, never so mcuh as criticized the Daly machine in Chicago, but rather, rode its friendly winds to the top.
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Here in liberal Sonoma county, I’ve requested it from the library; I’m #87.
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Lol, Michelle. I’ll wait for a library copy also. I’ll probably have to give my review next year.
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Maureen Dowd’s take on “Rogue American Woman” was quite generous:
Dowd Op-Ed on “Going Rogue”
I think this illustrates that most of the negative reaction to the Palin book is not coming from the left, but from the less extreme right.
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Dowd is a tad too snarky to be taken seriously on any topic.
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I’m not sure if I understand your post, Spinoza-7.
Are you saying that Maureen is on the Right? Or are you saying that you have actually found a Leftist commentator that is willing to give Sarah an even break?
BTW, I refuse to pollute my mind with Maureen’s drivel. I’ve tried to read her before, and have always come away as feeling sullied.
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I can’t stand Dowd either. I have a neighbor who’s quick to tell me “Maureen Dowd said this” as though she greatly admires her, though she never likes it when I tell her something said by one of my heroes (including Jesus). But to me the woman is a blithering idiot and not someone I respect or read.
I really don’t understand conservatives’ appreciation of Palin as a woman who “has it all.” Now, I voted for the McCain/Palin ticket because Palin was on it (I was very close to my first third-party vote, and watching only to see who McCain chose as a running mate). But I did so even then somewhat reluctantly because a mother of young children shouldn’t be taking on such a position–I didn’t know until after she was nominated that she had an infant, and if it wasn’t that Obama was so very bad, that would have kept me from voting for them. (I figured that VP would be less work than governor, so reluctantly I could accept the idea.)
If she runs for president, I will not vote for her. If the McCain/Palin ticket had won, and something had happened to McCain, I would have looked for Palin to step down (choose a VP and then resign, or something to that effect–as I assume Cheney would have done, in his insistence that he would never take the job of president). The more I realized that Palin would accept, or even seek, the top job, the more reluctant I was to support her. A wife and mother of young children shouldn’t be president. (I’m not completely convinced any woman should be, but Margaret Thatcher is one of my heroes, so I’ve seen evidence it can be done well. But no mother of young children, including a special-needs child, should seek such a position, and I myself won’t vote for her at the top of the ticket no matter who she is running against.)
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I understand why she felt she had to defend herself from anonymous attacks, but that part of the book seems old . . .
In other words, Susan Olasky says Palin is a whiner in the second half.
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Cheryl D.-10
I really respect your opinions as stated in your post. I, as a male Christian, however, have NO problem with Sarah as President. I believe that she has shown that she can govern and raise a family, especially with Todd and Co. at her side. Is she perfect? Well, only Jesus was and is. Right? Is her family perfect? Show me a perfect family. Does she have common sense wisdom, though? Oh yes, demonstratably so. She has a sense of right and wrong that our current President is woefully lacking. I trust her.
Our current President is putting our country at risk on so many fronts. We, as a great nation, or soon to become a nation of 3rd world status. This is his apparent goal.
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Scroop-11
Old equals whining? Seriously now. Only if you wish it to.
Obama constantly blaming Bush and putting America down while abroad. Now that equals whining.
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BrotherDan 11.18.09 AT 1:21 PM
Scroop-11
Old equals whining? Seriously now. Only if you wish it to.
Obama constantly blaming Bush and putting America down while abroad. Now that equals whining.
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If Obama did not blame Bush for all the problems, he would have to start taken blame on the issues. An that is not going to happen
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#9 In her column, Dowd doesn’t bother with the usual nasty rapier wit, but instead, provides a litany of things she and Palin have in common, as recorded in Palin’s book. If you’ve read Dowd’s past columns on Palin, there’s no doubt in your mind about what she thinks of Palin and none of that is recanted. But neither is it repeated. I think that’s the way much of the left feels about Palin and her book at this point – somewhere between pity and … yawn.
Moderate Republicans, on the other hand, have to go gunning, because a party takeover by Palin would mean their disenfranchisement as well as certain doom for future GOP election prospects. The left sees this as a good thing – Go Palin!
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#14 What issues are you talking about?
War in the middle east?
The current depression?
The budget deficit?
How are either of these Obama’s fault instead of Bush’s legacy?
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Spinoza 11.18.09 AT 2:31 PM
#14 What issues are you talking about?
War in the middle east?
The current depression?
The budget deficit?
How are either of these Obama’s fault instead of Bush’s legacy?
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did Bush blame Cliton for all the issue he faced once he took over?
The current depression? – yes Obama was a Senator
The budget deficit? – yes Obama was a Senator
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Brother Dan,
I see a wife’s primary responsibility being to her family (I don’t believe in working wife/stay-at-home dad, either). I’m not completely sure any American woman could govern with the kind of grace of a Margaret Thatcher (to get “to the top” in America takes a kind of unfeminine aggressiveness); if any woman could, maybe Elizabeth Dole. If Sarah Palin were single, or even an empty nester, I think I could vote for her, but I simply can’t vote for a woman to put her family second, and I’m really not sure enough that any woman could/should be in charge of the leader of the free world. That isn’t how God created us, and having young children complicates the picture that much more. In other words, I’d vote against her both because I’m not sure she’s qualified (qualified yet, minimally–more qualified than Obama, but that doesn’t say much, and we’ll need a really good person in there after he is done) AND because she has no business doing the job and pretty much can’t possibly do it well with her other life priorities.
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Is Maureen Dowd living in a cave?
The left has been after Palin since Obama put down a blood trail for his bots to follow.
The Dems set up camp to go after her when she returned to Alaska as Governor. They file suit everytime she opens her mouth. And they haven’t left.
Letterman even went after her children, even though Obama said that family is off limits. (He meant HIS family.)
And now they set up a new camp on the internet to go for the jugular. I read a Wasilla article about it.
What are the Dems afraid of? Or maybe it’s a vindetta against her because she spoke about Obama’s past. Chicago politics? You are either FOR me, or I’ll GET you?
If you look at what Obama is spending time on, you can see why he has no time for our military. How about legal counsel for ACORN? How about the latest shooting at Ft. Hood? Don’t we have people to do that? And now we come to the holidays. Let’s see if he takes time off while our military are dying.
Sarah has a son in the military. I think that it would be a top priority to DO SOMETHING!!! Just saying…:)
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From FoxNews.com
“Sarah Palin is no normal politician, and at the Associated Press, apparently “Going Rogue” is no normal book.
When the former Republican vice presidential candidate and former Alaska governor wrote her autobiography, the AP found a copy before its release date and assigned 11 people to fact check all 432 pages.”
It goes on. They don’t discuss how many people fact checked Obama’s book. Or Hillary’s either.
I hope she runs for president. I hope she is elected. She has my vote.
I have no reason to believe that Chaney would not have served if necessary.
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P.S. I have family members who don’t think women should be in the workplace, a wife should never work for a man other than her husband (she can be his secretary or work for him), and a woman should never be over a man. I suspect if the husband of this couple got a management job, he’d have a real dilemma if a woman deserved a promotion, and he’d either choose not to promote her or quit his job to avoid the dilemma, but he wouldn’t promote her. My take on that is that he’d be wrong to choose not to promote someone who is qualified based on his own “gray area” convictions. If she deserves the promotion and she herself doesn’t share those convictions, then promote her (or never take a management job himself that might put him in such a bind).
So, I hesitate to say that I wouldn’t want to vote for Palin because of my own convictions that she shouldn’t put her family second. But between that and the fact that I think it’s the really rare woman who could do that job well, and she isn’t that woman, I’d have no qualms in saying if she runs for the job, I won’t vote for her. And I voted for Dole and McCain, so it takes a lot to get me to say I won’t vote for this person.
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It doesn’t matter what I think about Palin. This is all about what you think of her. This is your day in the sun. Susan Olasky, too. “Old” to Susan evidently means pointless score-settling. Old means not vivid and revealing. Old like stale beer, not cellared wine. You can have reasons for judging one thing to be whining and another not, but to me the Palinites sound all the more whiney for bragging about their entrepreneurial, self reliant outlook. Look again. Susan thinks Sarah is a second-half whiner, too.
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As I told the guy at one of the Obama news agencies.
Maybe some people aren’t going to vote for the status quo, i.e.,the GOP.
Palin showed her independence when she supported someone who wasn’t a blatant RINO of the GOP.
Who is the GOP? It’s the OTHER left hand of the Dem. Party.
If you put 1 Dem. and 1 RINO up to run against each other, it’s a win/win for Obama.
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Chas, Cheney said definitively that he did not want to be president; he may have meant only that he wouldn’t run, but I rather suspected that if something had happened to Bush (at least early in one of his terms), Cheney wouldn’t have stepped in. I also suspect they talked about such a possibility behind closed doors and had some sort of agreement in place. My private speculation was that he would have given us sort of a second President Ford–an unelected president. That they might have agreed, “If something happens to Bush, then Cheney will choose so-and-so as VP and then resign and let so-and-so become president.” But obviously I have no idea whether that’s anything like what happened.
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Spinoza – the same leadership we have today in charge of the House and Senate, were also in charge of the The current depression and
The budget deficit.
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I don’t know if I would vote for Palin. I’m not overly impressed with her in certain ways, but she’s certainly the best the Republicans can put out right now. And, the fact that the Left is so viscerally horrible to her makes me want to vote for her just to show them.
I don’t care about her family life, inasmuch as I figure that’s her business. I’ve worked while I had small children, and I’ve not worked while I had small children, and there are pluses and minuses to both things for both the adult AND the children.
A mom who has lots of energy and a need to be out (which I suspect Palin does) will not be a good mom if she’s forced to stay at home. There were times that I had MORE energy for my kids, and could focus on them MORE when I was working. (What’s the old saying? If you need something done, give it to a busy person.)
I’m now a stay-at-home mom, and I home school my kids, but I’m not always happy. And, when mama ain’t happy, ain’t nobody happy!
Still, I simply think that such things are between a wife and her husband and her family. Only they know what does and doesn’t work for their family dynamic.
To me, telling a woman what she *should* be doing in this area is the height of legalism. (No offense intended to Cheryl and her opinion. It’s just what it seems like to me.)
I have seen moms who are so busy volunteering at church and keeping their houses perfectly clean (or being the main “mover and shaker” in the local home school group) that — despite the fact that they are technically “house wives”– their kids get really short shrift.
And, I’ve seen full time, power house working women who give tons to their kids. And, I’ve seen everything in between.
It just isn’t our business what goes on in the Palin household.
My opinion, anyway.
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#25 Clearly you don’t really understand the nature of “Cause” and effect, or rather choose to ignore it when it suits your political agenda.
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“she’s certainly the best the Republicans can put out right now.”
Wow – that’s incredibly sad!
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#24 Cheryl D – I think that was widely interpreted as meaning that he did not want to run for President after a Bush second term.
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Spinoza 11.18.09 AT 3:10 PM
#25 Clearly you don’t really understand the nature of “Cause” and effect, or rather choose to ignore it when it suits your political agenda
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an you ignore the role Obama and His Party has in creating The current depression and The budget deficit.
Cause and Effect – Clinton did nothing, the result the evil men came to out nation,the result 9-11
a Dem. Mayor did nothing an people die in New Orleans
a Dem. Gov. did nothing an people die in New Orleans
how are those cause and effect?
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Spinoza 11.18.09 AT 3:11 PM
“she’s certainly the best the Republicans can put out right now.”
Wow – that’s incredibly sad!
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what said is sad, Obama and his party desire to take over our Nation freedoms.
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“an you ignore the role Obama and His Party has in creating The current depression and The budget deficit.”
Both existed prior to the Obama administration, and the “bailout,” which was necessary to prevent something worse than the current disaster was put in motion by the Bush administration. The budget deficit is largely the result of Bush tax cuts and tanking of the economy under Bush/Greenspan. The depression? That’s largely due to a deregulating “market fundamentalism” that goes back to the Reagan years.
Many of these problems are not exactly due to any president. It’s infantile to point the finger at Obama the second he takes office and blame him for things that have been in the works for years and for which your party has only silly sloganeering and no workable solutions.
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I agree with most of what TRS #26 posted regarding women, their work, inside/outside the home. TRS, you made the points regarding women who are so involved in outside activitis, while NOT working or involved in a career – SO TRUE!
Often times the above mentioned mom has a smug attitude when it comes to announcing she “doesn’t work” but in fact she’s gone much more of the time. These mothers attend meetings and volunteer for many jobs, most OFTEN NOT HOME when the children arrive home.
Every family has their own system, perhaps grandparents, aunts, uncles and close friends who take turns helping to oversee the activities of the children until they come home from work, meetings, or volunteer.
Some people have a lot of energy – they can spend 9 hours working, and then host a dinner party, prepare most of the food, play with their children, attend the socker games on Saturday, oversee homework, and still have time for their hair/nails and shopping (lets not forget shopping) and most of all their husband. I know because I often shopped at lunch time when I didn’t have a luncheon/meeting to attend. Sometimes running into the drug store picking up whatever, and dashing to pick up a sandwich. Sunday is a time to relax, and enjoy -
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So Obama was not a senator the last two years of Bush’s white House?
His party and the this present leadership were not in charge of Congress the last two years of Bush’s White?
Obama bail out was his bail out not Bush’s bail out. Two different bail outs.
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Spinoza-16
War in the middle east?
These are Obama’s wars now.
1) We don’t hear much about Iraq. But it seems to me that he is continuing the Bush doctrine there. So its success, which you will deny, is directly attributable to Bush. I still believe that Bush did the right thing.
2) Afghanistan? Obama is showing his true qualifications there! He is showing the world that he is all about putting his political life above the security of this nation and those that we have agreed to be allies with. HOW ANYBODY CAN EXCUSE OVER 4 MONTHS OF DITHERING OVER TROOP REQUESTS IS BEYOND ME!!!!
The current depression?
Are you kidding me? If he would just have kept his inept and dishonest greedy little hands out of it, we would be on a sure path of recovery. As it is, only the self-deceived are not cognizant of the fact that what he and his cronies are doing is either irresponsible ignorance in action or an all out, purposeful attack on free-market capitalism. The words “socialist” and, yes, “communist” are heard more and more these days.
The budget deficit?
THE BUDGET DEFICIT?! You mean the one that HE created that beat all deficits combined?!!!!
How are either of these Obama’s fault instead of Bush’s legacy?
I think I just answered that. But I’m sure you will not agree.
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BrotherDan – well put.
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Give him his due, JOEL. The best character in Paradise Lost deserves a shout-out.
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BrotherDan – you see who he paid no attention to the cause and effect
Clinton did nothing, the result the evil men came to out nation,the result 9-11
a Dem. Mayor did nothing an people die in New Orleans
a Dem. Gov. did nothing an people die in New Orleans
how are those cause and effect?
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Ladies, as regards women in the work force, even women with children: I know of no scriptural support for saying that this should not be. Even my Pastor, a conservative, Calvary Chapel Pastor, one that believes that it is best for moms to be at home, admits that there are NO scriptures that overtly state that moms are not to work. He looked for them.
I do not write this to be contentious. I respect your opinions and convictions. I do pray that you would respect Palin’s convictions as a sister in the Lord. It could be that the Lord is raising her to lead as He has done with women in the scriptures.
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TRS, it depends on the context whether someone can tell someone what she “should” be doing. If my sister, for example, were working full-time and putting her kids in day care, with her husband fully able and willing to support the family (none of which is happening), then you’d better believe I’d be quietly taking her aside and telling her she isn’t doing what is best for her family. As her sister (biologically and her sister in Christ), I’d actually be obligated to speak to her . . . though I’d also be obligated not to keep nagging her. (With full-fledged sin, if she doesn’t hear me I can take the issue to her church. Short of that, I have to back off once I’ve had my say.)
Scripture tells the older women to teach the younger women how to love their husbands, love their children, and take care of their homes, so if a 60-year-old grandmother is counseling a woman in her church that she needs to quit her job and make her family a priority, she is not being a legalist.
Scripture gives pastors the authority to teach the Word of God and apply it. So if a pastor gently takes the Word of God to show families that husbands should be supporting their households (possibly with the wife’s help in some instances) and mothers ought not to be putting success in the workplace above care for their families, he is not being legalistic.
If a person says generally that no woman (wife/mother) should ever work outside the home, period, then I’d say he’s being legalistic, and probably should read Proverbs 31. But to say that a woman with Sarah Palin’s family responsibilities should not be taking on a more-than-full-time job is no more “legalistic” than to say she would have been wrong to abort Twig. Biblically, a wife’s family and home are her first priority. A president cannot make family and home first priority. Therefore, the two responsibilities are biblically incompatible. That’s neither simplistic nor legalistic. I cannot “hold” her to the right choices, but I need not support choices that are obviously bad both for her family and for the country, as I believe this would be.
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Brother Dan, I agree with you that there are no Scriptures that say a wife and mother is not to work at all, but I do believe the Bible makes clear her priorities, and also clarifies that support of the family is primarily the husband’s responsibility. My sister uses one word in one verse as her sole proof that a wife must never work outside the home: the idea that wives should be “keepers at home.” She says that the word in the original means “homemakers” (she doesn’t know Greek, BTW, so that’s what someone else told her), and thus that it proves that a woman can’t be focusing outside the home. Obviously even if the word does mean “homemakers,” it wouldn’t be with the 21st-century connotation of “housewives,” but with whatever the term would have meant then. So I personally find this less than compelling, and easily counter it with Proverbs 31 (where a wife and mother bought and sold land, and did other business).
But the point can readily be made from Scripture that a wife’s first priority is to be her own family. If she’s in the workplace 50 hours a week, she almost certainly is not putting her family as her first priority. And if she is putting her children in daycare, I personally would say something is seriously wrong in that family somewhere. (And it may not be a moral failing–it may be that her husband is disabled, or she is a single mom, and she literally has no choice. But something is wrong.) A wife should do everything she possibly can to limit her work hours and put her family first; that’s all I can say “absolutely” from Scripture, but I can say that much.
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Cheryl
When children go to school, leaving home at 7:30 AM or before, not arriving home until 3:30 PM they are most likely in the third grade – there is no reason why a woman cannot hold a position leaving the home to arrive at 9 AM and leaving at 5 PM – children would be cared for for only an hour and half – that’s what the time schedule amounts to.
In the case of Sarah Palin, her youngest child will need PROFESSIONAL schooling/care there are teachers who are ’special ED’ who work with these children all day, they eat lunch and take naps, etc… they don’t go to school for just a few hours, they need intensive training which most parents have no education to accomplish.
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Cheryl
The family/children are not only the wife’s first priority; it is also the husband’s. Emotionally and physically absent fathers or just as detrimental to growing children as mothers that are absent. I’m sure you agree with that.
Here’s my main point: since there are no clear biblical prohibitions against Sarah being President, I wouldn’t want to limit our country to personal interpretations of the Bible in regards for that position.
Above all, these are personal convictions. So this dialogue is just an exercise in “brain-storming”, as it were.
I have a question though: If Sarah were to be elected, would you say that it is the will of God? I know that there are varying interpretations about God raising leaders and setting them low. I’m just curious.
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Victoria,
I agree with you that it’s OK for a mother to work while her kids are in school and I myself always expected to do so, although I prepared myself for and chose a career I could do from home (and would in fact only want to do it part-time if I were married). I do think that being president is more than a “job,” however.
In the days of the farm, women worked as hard as men; I do think that a wife may sometimes be needed to bring in some income. I personally would choose a husband who could fully support the family (not in wealth; I’ve never had that and don’t need it), but with the idea that I can work part-time if needed. And in my single years, I’ve stayed out of debt and have in fact built up two-thirds equity in my home. And I know how to shop frugally. So I’d be a financial asset to a husband if I never worked for pay for an hour after I were married. I do think it is ideal if a wife can help financially somehow, even if it’s only keeping a good garden to save on food bills and restraining her more extravagant desires. But her primary responsibility is to the home, whatever she does outside of it. And any role or responsibility that conflicts with it is “out of bounds” for a married woman, in my opinion.
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JJF wrote; “But the opposition to Palin is… over the politics she espouses and represents.”
Not from much of anything I have seen, heard or read from the left or right so far. In fact, JJF proceeded to offer a long opposing quote from an obvious leftist/liberal (Rod Dreher) that JJF called “conservative” and very little of it had to do with Palin’s politics. In fact, nothing of it had anything to do with a fair and substantive discussion of her politics.
Dreher presumed her motives for the book (opposing her for presumed reasons other than her policies or politics).
He implied she is allegedly “too shallow and inexperienced for the presidency.” (again, opposing her for presumed reasons other than her policies or politics).
He claimed a lack of substance but he never proved that or illustrated his claim.
He claimed she was “incapable of understanding” how the “uncritically pro-business economic agenda” works (proving also that this so-called ‘conservative’ was actually a far-left ideologue).
He distorted a quote by Palin and he completely distorted and misunderstood Karl Marx, in a lame attempt to pin him on her.
He falsely claimed that Palin’s economic program amounts to “nothing more than” tax-cutting, deregulating and the endless repetition of talking points.
There was no substance to Dreher’s opposition. It was a pathetic disingenuous critique. It was a joke.
Apparently, JJF thinks we are ignorant.
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What are you talking about Scroop Moth?
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Brother Dan, yes, I’d say it’s the will of God if Sarah Palin is elected as president someday. Not, necessarily, for the good of our country however. I think it’s the will of God for Obama to be our president right now, but I also think it’s likely that his presidency is a curse on our nation. And when Palin was chosen as VP, I heard some quote a verse (I’m not sure the reference) that it’s a curse on a nation when the men won’t lead and they are led by women. Definitely something to think about.
She may be God’s will for our country, but I personally won’t vote for her, and I won’t see it as a sign of God’s favor on our country if she is placed in such an office, anymore than a President Obama looked to me like a sign of God’s favor. But I do know that God sometimes used women judges and prophetesses, and I accept the possibility He may use a woman president without its being a curse on our land. I just won’t vote for her, and I won’t cheer if she gets in, though it’s possible (if it’s a choice between her and someone like Obama) that I’d feel some sense of relief at such a vote as the lesser of two evils. For now I simply hope she is never in such a spot.
And yes, I agree that a man’s first priority is to his family. But not in the same way as for a woman. A man is made to lead, to till the soil, to provide. He isn’t necessarily created to do the relational nitty-gritty that a woman is, nor is he created to spend his days inside the home. He’s the family “representative” to a wider world, whether he plows a farm or works in business. He’s doing it for God and for his family, but again, not in the same way.
Case in point is that if a man is a stay-at-home dad, there’s something wrong, desperately wrong, in that home. That doesn’t mean he can’t do a home-based business. I come from a family of entrepreneurs. But if he stays home and changes diapers while his wife works to support the family, unless it’s because of some physical inability on his part to hold a job, he is failing to be the man God called him to be, and forcing/letting his wife take on a role she should not be taking.
But speaking of work, I need to be doing housework and editing work, not blogging, so I need to sign off.
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For years prior to the 2008 election, many on the right were worried about Hillary and they focused lots of negative attention on her. Thus, she sucked up all the critical attention from the right over the long term and Obama slipped at the last minute in rather untested and uncriticized at the time.
If the Republicans are smart, they will keep Sarah Palin front and center for a long time and let her suck up all the fear and partisan opposition from the left and then at the last minute, we can nominate a another decent conservative unscathed by the constant barage of criticism from the partisan leftist media and the Democrats.
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Cheryl,
As its been pointed out; There is no Scripture that says a woman cannot work outside the home.
One has to understand that hundreds if not thousands of years ago, women tended huge gardens and vinyards, made cloth, clothing, etc., and walked many miles to the market place to sell their goods – older children stayed home, worked in the same capacity as mom, tending the younger, ALONE – maybe grandmother, aunts, etc., helped, but the kids were not with mom all the time.
GOD has gifted women in so many areas it would be impossible to name them in this post, however we cannot discount or ignore women who are excellent teachers, school officals, attorney’s, doctors, nurses just to name a few…. who, without their expert training and talent would be a waste of gifts.
We must not forget another very important point:
Missionaries go abroad, married to serve in many countries, an example would be Africa – they have children, ….. when the children become school age, the children are most always sent to boarding school, not only to be educated but socialize with other children just like themselves. This is OVERLOOKED all to often in the Christian community. Both parents serving on the field, sometimes as doctor’s, nurses, teachers, giving out the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
I’m sure there are a number of missionary kids who have stayed with mom and dad during all the years on the field, but more likely they have attended boarding school. Summer time offers a special treat, they and their families stay for a period of time with other families in a place where they can swim and enjoy time together as a family, and fellowship with other missionaries.
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On women role in the church I have only found one area that seem to cause an issue in side the Church and society. An the is Paul’s written to Timothy and Titus about who is to be a bishop. “A husband of one wife”
on women role in scoiety I see no restriction at all.
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THE VIEW & Barbara Walters
I caught what seems to be the end of a discussion about Sarah Palin and her DOWNS BABY. It sounded like Barbara Walters was actually defending Sarah. Because Barbara had a sister who was mentally disabled. Barbara was telling them how her family loved her sister, but it was hard. She said YOU CAN’T KNOW what it’s like unless you have BEEN THERE.
I think they were talking about reasons to abort and not to abort. Barbara had the reigns on this part of the discussion regarding mentally challenged children. And I think most agreed that it was a personal decision. (Sometimes it’s hard for us ADD people to follow a discussion when 6 people are talking at the same time.)
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Cheryl
I feel like I’m having an argument with a beloved sister, but that is not what is in my heart. I ask that you consider a couple of things:
1. I believe that you limit the role of fathers in your discription of our responsilities to our children. I have an 18 year old son and a daughter that is about to turn 16. It is my responsibility to teach my son what it means to be a man, to respect women, to defend women and any others that need defending. It is also my responsibility to show my daughter how a real man treats a lady. I do this by the way I treat her mom, my wife. And by the way I treat her. I am a role model to them. And in today’s Hollyweird world, I pray for all men to live up to these responsibilities. There are many others in this vein. Also, I agree that a man should provide for his family, if he is able. Some men are not as able, either physically or mentally, as their wives. Does that make them less of a man? NO. I guess I define “biblical manhood” as more than provision of food and house.
2. I am sensitive to “the woman stays home to care for the kids” doctrine. There are too many women, godly women, that are made to feel that they are less godly than their sisters at church becuase they work. They are practically shunned. Even as they impart spiritual nurture to their children. THIS SHOULD NOT BE! THIS IS A SIN! AND MY WIFE AS BEEN A VICTIM OF IT. Sorry about the caps there. But I hurt for my wife, and others that have been so treated.
I believe I will stop now.
Victoria, I have appreciated your imput here.
Finally, may the love of God shower us all that seek to be in His will, according to the grace that He has given us.
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Regarding MOMS working outside the home.
I have always felt the mom should stay home with the children if at all possible. I spent most of my life with my grandmother. My grandmother put me in the child bed (my mother says) and since I didn’t fuss she left me there a lot. She didn’t lock me up or anything, because when I was a little older I remember lots of time at Grandma’s. We did live in the house behind Grandma’s for about 6 years of my life. Except for the cherry bush switch on my legs for my smart mouth and having to run around the house when I sat too long (15 min. or less) watching TV, I have good memories of her teaching me how to tell time and how to read. I climbed the mango trees and played outside a lot. I also remember playing under the quilt she was working on. But I do not feel connected to my mother who did play favorites with my brother who beat me up like a bully A LOT. My mother was too busy working and taking classes. She should have found out how to be a better wife and mother. My grandmother wasn’t a good wife or mother so she wasn’t a good example. But my grandfather was with her til the end.
So in my opinion Sarah should spend her politics close to HOME so she can spend more time with her husband (when he is there) and her children. Bristol needs her more than ever right now.
Her FAMILY should come FIRST.
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I also feel that way about MISSIONARIES.
If you have children, either take them with you in the field or stay home. DO NOT send them to a place for missionary children. You’d be surprised what they learn at some of the live-in schools. You are to be a missionary to your children first. You should NOT sacrifice your husband or children to be a missionary.
I listened to one young lady tell stories about the Bible to kids in Sunday School. My mother heard a different story at another time. Not stuff from the Bible we know and love. Another reason not to just take your child into any Sunday School class.
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I thought I would quit. But one last thing: Can we please let the Palins decide what is best for their family? Do we really think that Todd is not the head of his household? If my wife had a gift for governing, I would want her to exersize that gift to the fullest. Do I think that she defers to Todd in regards to their family? “You bet-cha!”
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I would love for SARAH to run FOR PRESIDENT because she tells it like it is. That’s something that the McCain team would not let her do. They wanted a rouge but didn’t want her to be one–not even behind the scenes. Which shows that McCain was USING HER to get votes.
But I would not want MY wants and needs to come before her family–especially her husband. SARAH! FAMILY FIRST–God will take care of the rest!
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First I want to thank you for your kind words.
A man is so much more than just the one who makes the money –
He’s strong, gentle, and as you pointed out, teaches his son how to be a man, and his daughter to be a woman. Fathering is a special appointment for each and every father. I was blessed without measure by having my dad as my father – he loved me without question, he taught me respect, rarely raising his voice, he helped everyone he could, he preached the Gospel, visted the sick, ……. I would watch him as he sat in the living room in his chair, the table next to it with his radio, dictionary and his precious Bible…. his eyes would be far away – perhaps that day he had visited a family who had lost a loved one, those who were sick, families in turmoil – I can still see his face, and look with great interest as to what he was thinking.
A real mother and father provide love, understanding and compassion upon their children, being careful to teach them the truths of GOD’s Word – No parent is perfect, mine weren’t, but they were the gift any child would treasure forever.
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News2me
You are always going to hear about a MP who turned out wrong, or grumbles their life away regarding their upbringing – I have witnessed those who were in boarding school and went on to serve themselves. You can’t take the complaints of a few and destroy the work that a couple has been called to do by the LORD.
There are kids who would complain about anything or everything, no matter how much or little their parents gave them, it was NEVER WHAT THE WANTED!
UNGRATEFUL!
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#58 should read: MK (missionary kid)
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HEY, I’ve been divorced once.
I’m know what NOT to do in a marriage. Am I great at it? NO, but I hope I’m better, and NOW I am more concerned about my husband’s needs than my own. It’s not about, “What are you doing for me?”
Husbands and children should be included on the “DO FOR OTHERS” list.
I used to tell my neighbor (who lied a lot) not to tell me what his wife was doing wrong. I told him, “When you get to heaven God will want to know how YOU treated HER. Don’t even try, “But SHE…” God will probably say, “I’ve heard it all before. Remember Adam and Eve? Next.”
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Thank you, Victoria.
And thank you, Cheryl. Your comments are well reasoned, and I honor you for them.
I would like to honor all parents that try to do right by their children. A family that is blessed by God as it faces the storms of life is an awesome thing!
I would like to honor the couples that are with out children, but yearn for them. I have seen that heartache personnaly.
In these troubled times, there will be many a hungry Thanksgiving in America and around the world. May the Lord grant us all the will and the power to do His desire where such need is.
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Hey Victoria,
Haven’t read much today.
Will try to read more later.
Not on web much today.
Trying to watch stuff about Sarah that was on tape and then comment on it here. Among other things that I’m trying to get done.
Sorry if I’m redundant on anything.
MORE BIG GOV’T has come to AZ (which actually is more jobs for gov’t and less jobs for small business). More on that later.
Gotta run.
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Brother Dan,
Although I don’t know the source, I thought you would appreciate this quote:
“The only things more obscure than the inner workings of someone else’s mind are the inner workings of someone else’s marriage.”
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I think this is the decision of the Palin family.
I have enjoyed reading the discussion and appreciate BrotherDan’s explanations and arguments, as well as Victoria’s. I understand where Cheryl is coming from, but I respectfully disagree and join BrotherDan and Victoria. My mother went to work full time when I was in school full time. I was on my own for about an hour and a half because I went home with my best friend, usually stopped off there for a while and then went the few doors home to be with my older sister. We watched tv most of the time, cartoons, and made a snack if we were hungry and occasionally used the sofa as a trampoline. It wasn’t the worst thing that happened to us as kids. We were never rich, and I am grateful that we had the life we had.
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News2me – talk to you later – I enjoy your posts my friend
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There is one thing in Victoria’s post at 57 that I wanted to respond to. I think you’ll agree, Victoria. You stated that along with a father teaching his son how to be a man, that a father also teaches his daughter how to be a woman. Actually, a father can’t teach a daughter this, any more than a mother can teach a son to be a man. What a father does, at least what I believe we should do, is so model what a man is to our daughters that when a man “comes a courting”, she will spot the real men from those that still need some growing up to do. I’ve taken my daughter out on “dates”. Opened the door for her. Talked to her over our meals. Treated her the way that I hope her future husband will. I’ve tried to give her a standard to measure by. I’ve fallen short many a times. So will her future husband. But I think God has grace me and her in these lessons.
This all goes to the fact that children need mothers and fathers, not two mothers or two fathers. I couln’t help but throw that in there.
What happens when a spouse dies or leaves? I know many a widow that has sought out that male role model for their sons. And, I know that God has used me to be that role model for some of my children’s friends that are without fathers. God is great!
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Brother Dan -
My father taught me how to be a woman because he treated me with respect and love, he went out of his way to protect me from harm – in this way, I expected much more from a man than most women would think of looking for in someone they dated. I wanted the same things from my future husband that I had enjoyed as my fathers daughter.
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Adding this:
Women who have had extremely good close relationships with their fathers, often choose men who mirror what they have experienced. It is that experience which gives them the insight to know the difference between a good man and one that might turn out to be all wrong.
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Well put, Victoria.
I enjoyed your account of your father.
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Much confusion about a woman’s role comes from confusing the nuclear family model that dates from the Industrial Revolution for a Biblically constructed family. Men might have been absent for a time during war or hunting or occasional projects, but the most common family model globally and in Scripture has both parents working out of or near the home, as is found today in Mom and Pop stores or on farms. The specific responsibilities were divvied up according to temperament and ability.
The bible charges men with the principle responsibility for training children.
“The budget deficit is largely the result of Bush tax cuts and tanking of the economy under Bush/Greenspan. The depression? That’s largely due to a deregulating “market fundamentalism” that goes back to the Reagan years.”
Deficits respond to two inputs, revenue and expenditure. The increase in government tax revenue resulting from the tax cuts didn’t do enough to ameliorate the deficits that were driven by spending. However troublesome the deficits were under Bush, Obama is on a greased track to create a larger deficit than all previous American presidential administrations combined.
Market fundamentalism is a myth of the left. The Sarbanes-Oxley act of 2002 is just one example of complex regulatory schemes governing public companies and securities. The government has always kept its fleshy thumb on the scales, and it has never managed to eliminate or control risks for investors. In fact the government has largely inflated those risks by allowing investors in mortgages to gamble with house money, maximum possible profits for investors, with government bailouts to cover any losses. The scheme was set up to drive social policy, “affordable” housing for the “disadvantaged” without any pretense toward fiscal propriety. Economic sanity is seldom found among the equine side of our political spectrum; social engineering on a massive scale has too tight a grip on their adolescent psyches.
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Ken – well said. Also, I guess some people don’t think the $787 billion porkulus bill had anything to do with the present absurdly large budget deficit for this year. Remember everyone, Obama said it was so important to pass that bill right now that we couldn’t afford the time to debate it. Why? Because without it’s immediate passage, unemployment might go up to eight percent. And where is unemployment now? Nearly 11 percent. The “we must pass it right now even though it incurs huge extra debt” syndrome is also being played out with the health care bill.
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Number of AP Reporters dedicated to fact check Palin’s book = 11
Number of AP Reporters dedicated to fact check Obama’s books = 0
No, there is no bias in the media.
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What an absolute pleasure to read this thread. All the sudden it occured to me there was healthy debate along with respect for each other. This honors God. Thank you for all who participated in the debate. I have learned alot and have much to think about. This is an issue we have dealt with our whole married life. By choice our marriage is considered a very traditional marriage. Mr. JILLER is the head of our home. He respect me and I respect him.I have wrestled with what God wants for us especially when I see women who are gifted in something. I hope Sarah Palin and her husband have an understanding. It is between them and God.
Anyway, this is the first thread on Wmg that has been so civil without sarcasm or unkind words. I have enjoyed.
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Thank you Brother Dan #69
GOG Bless you my friend
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OH……..
Post 74 should read GOD bless you my friend.
Please forgive my LORD
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#2 How much of the support for Palin comes from her being a Christian?
Is wondering if she is perhaps not qualified to be President of the United States an
attack on Sarah Palin?
Is it legitimate to wonder if Barak Obama is qualified to be President of the United States?
Yes, I think so.
Is it legitimate to wonder if George Bush was qualified to be President of the United States?
Is it possible for anyone to wonder about all of these people? Or is the wondering completely linked to reflexive party affiliation?
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Hmm, I actually think I have a fairly healthy “balance” on this issue. I think it’s OK for a married woman to work outside the home (as long as she puts her family first). Even as a single who is likely to stay single, I’ve spent my adult years being sure I stayed in a place to be a good wife if a husband came along (staying out of debt, learning a career that I can do part-time from my home). I think a man’s fathering role is very significant, and that a woman can add to the resources of her household. I don’t think that a wife should work 60-80 hours a week (ideally a husband shouldn’t either, but sometimes he must, for a time), and I think a couple should do everything possible to keep their children out of daycare if somehow a mother must work when the kids are young. I don’t see any of this as “extreme.”
BTW, my parents were missionaries in the days when very young children (five or so) were sent to boarding school. My oldest brother was born in Nigeria. The boarding school issue is ultimately one of the issues that brought them back to the States; they were not going to send a young child to boarding school, but their mission didn’t give parents a choice. We were raised poor–my older brothers especially–but I had a full-time stay-at-home mom, and I personally would be willing to sacrifice to be at home when my kids got home from school. Sometimes it isn’t possible (and nobody can really judge whether it’s possible for someone else), but more often than not, it is. But even within the church, too often the pressure is for women to work full-time; I don’t think there should be “pressure” either way, but do think the norm should be for full-time mothering, and even for women whose own kids are grown to be available to younger mothers some, if possible (to work only part-time if they can). Again, these are ideals, not for everyone, but ideals are worth aiming for.
And for those who say I’m single and don’t know what I’m talking about, well, first of all you can’t hit an ideal if you don’t even know what it is, but second my married siblings have all managed to have the wife and mother at home when the children were little, and most (all but one) have done so even past early childhood. So I’ve seen it work within my family; it’s not just something that’s a speculation.
Again, not to downgrade anyone else, but just to point out that this good ideal is possible for most who want it. If you don’t want it, then that’s a different issue, and I hope what you do want works for you. I’m glad my mother wanted this.
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SPINOZA #32
I thought you were smarter than that. Blaming Bush like he was alone in DC when the gov’t was tanking is wrong.
There are videos showing Barney Frank poo-pooing Bush, Greenspan, & REGULATORS who warned him and his Dem. buddies that Fanny and Freddy were in trouble way before the crash.
Open your eyes and ears. You haven’t said anything about who was pushing for the first “stimulus”. You forget the Dems were in charge.
Who were the ones with their pockets stuffed with money?
Who was the one that put through another stimulus package with lots of cash for their friends in HIGH places?
Who is still sending out money we don’t have?
Who is claiming jobs where there aren’t any?
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At least Palin knows you should help the small business man. Obama claims he is for middle America. He is purposely putting taxes and regulations on small businesses. BIG BUSINESS is happy because of LESS COMPETITION. The union is happy because big business means UNIONS.
We just got news that Obama is growing our gov’t in Arizona and the working mom gets to pay for it right away–JAN.1. (Looks like a bleak Christmas for many!)
It’s called HIGHER LICENSING FEES for DAY CARE.
Oh yeah, that will help the middle and lower classes. NOT!
The guy telling everyone about higher fees was smiling. It was like he knew something. Creepy!
Day Cares will have to pay $13,400 OR $3,900 to
The Dept. of HEALTH Services
IF you PARTICIPATE in their new health program, you pay $3,900. DON’T participate and you pay $13,900.
That is a lot of money!
They need the money for the NEW Empower Pact PROGRAM which links public HEALTH to child care. It will include: teaching children nutrition, exercise and the importance of not smoking. (and what else will it teach?)
It is a 6-month program that will cost the state MORE THAN $1 MILLION to implement.
If it is successful, it will run for about 3 years and they will adjust the fees accordingly.
They say that 1/2 will come from fed funds & 1/2 will come from tabacco money.
Is THIS a good way to get rid of small business? YOU BET!!!
Is THIS a way to bypass red tape and grow gov’t? OH YEAH!!!
The news showed a protest at the capital last week by the moms who can’t afford to pay MORE for child care. Does Obama care? NOPE!!!
And it’s helping the economy HOW?
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Implement as many taxes and fees as possible so people will have less to spend. THAT oughta get the economy going.
And you STILL don’t think OBAMA has an AGENDA?!!!
Clinton was slick!
Obama is a SNAKE!
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Cheryl
It depends upon which mission board one is sent from, and the boarding schools that are offered from that board. Not all boarding schools are the same.
Couples who are sent to foreign field in remote areas, KNOW that it would not be wise to keep their children during the school sessions – they are fully aware of this before they ever leave, it’s no surprise when the child reaches school age.
Some children adjust and others don’t – your parents obviously made the decision to come back to the states because boarding schools would not be their choice for you and your siblings – that is understandable.
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RN
The most qualified would be someone who has been a Governor.
That person needs to be accountable to the people and NOT to big business and their own agenda.
My preference would be for them to STOP THE NEEDLESS SPENDING. It’s like a disease. They are addicted to sending money to countries to make friends with them. The current person in power takes the money and runs.
Obama tells us it’s Bush’s fault and then sends money to another foreign country. Obama is still spending money. Is it still Bush’s money?
Obama tells Iran NOT to do something, but gives them money to do it with? That’s how you run a country?
I think even a good mom knows you don’t reward bad behavior. But things are done differently in Chicago.
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I was shocked tonight on ABC news.
They were filming the mile long line of people at a Palin book signing. Some people were there overnight. One girl said that Palin was better qualified to be president than Obama. (I think Gibson had to give his pacemaker a little tap to get it started again.)
I had to check to see which channel the TV was tuned to. ABC? No way! How did ABC ever let that one slip through? (left Gibson speechless)
One guy had a sweatshirt with Palin for President on it.
It was exciting to see people so excited about Palin.
I hope she was encouraged.
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Cheryl – 77
Some of what you post sounds very much like a commune OR MORMONISM – I see a big red flag.
“Ideal/ideals” might sound great in theory, but in real life it smacks of Mormonism. They too, live a commune style, which older girls are given the task to take care of other women’s children, and their own siblings. This might sound like a an ideal Cheryl, but it most likely doesn’t work within the culture we have today in the U.S. – and certainly not within our church which is not the Mormon church.
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I agree with all of the conservative comments in this thread.
Lots of good arguments for and against moms as leaders in gov’t and jobs and such.
Thanks for sharing.
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Obama is a SNAKE!
Tell me again about being respectful.
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I came here this morning to post the same link Xion did in #72, and make the same comment. Eleven people were sent to “fact check” her book. They concluded that she isn’t as frugal as she says she is.
She and Shaun Hennaty seemed to enjoy the interview last night. I saw a clip of her interview with O’Rilley. Not as much fun.
It’s on tonight, I think.
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RN # 76. We are thrilled that Sarah is an evangelical Christian. But that is not the reason we supoort her.
Jimmy Carter is an evangelical Christian, but he was a disaster as a president.
As for qualifications: Sarah is more qualified than Obama. Back during the election, I posited that I was more qualified than Obama, and no one proved anything different. He is an empty suit who looks good on TV and has the media behind him. A NOTHING. Still is.
George Bush had more qualifications than AlGore and John Kerry, and as much as any one else.
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JOEL – it’s a reply to your comment on another thread. Sorry, I posted it here in error. The Devil made me do it.
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xiON #72 – The more fact checkers the AP assigns to Sarah, the brighter her halo! How else could the AP have proved that she’s not a fabricator? The AP is Sarah’s firewall against the liars in the John McCain campaign — maybe against John McCain himself.
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Sarah told Shaun that she and McCain have a good relationship. I gather she and the handlers didn’t get along.
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Chas – “Jimmy Carter is an evangelical Christian, but he was a disaster as a president”
One could aruge the Jimmy Carter was an evangelical Christian, but he was a disaster as a president”
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Victoria,
A commune was the farthest thing from my mind. I’m actually thinking of women I know who only work part-time, one in particular, and who thus is available to babysit a nephew and niece for an hour or two after school, to visit her mom in assisted living at lunchtime every day (and feed her the lunch meal), and otherwise to come alongside other people who need a loving touch. That’s her ministry, loving others who need it in practical ways, and a wonderful one. When I had foster kids, I benefitted from this mother who had already raised her own kids helping me love mine. Not every woman can do this, but I think the church community would be better off if we had a few more who did. My sister-in-law who just died was another. Her kids were grown, but she helped in her husband’s ministry and in the last couple years she also babysat her granddaughter. It’s good when older women have such freedom.
BTW, it’s only small sects of Mormonism that live in communes, but having no personal experience with communes, that possibility never even crossed my mind.
BTW, my parents were both single when they went to the mission field, and I suspect they hadn’t really looked into the boarding school issue as a result. Once it became relevant, they chose not to do it. There were other factors involved in their returning home (life-endangering medical facilities), but pretty much they felt like they had a choice between being parents and being missionaries, and since God was giving them children, they needed to come back to the States.
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Cheryl,
I understand completely why your parents would return home, …. after leaving for the mission field, then marrying and having children, their circumstances had changed upon their arrival on the field.
There are many who fit the discription you post as helpers and babysitters for those who need assistance.
You might be surprised regarding communes, they aren’t just used my Mormons but Christians as well. Some families have purchased large pieces of land for ALL the family members, including children who marry, etc, to occupy the land, build homes and reside together as a group.
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Yeah, I’ve heard of quite a few groups pursuing communes. Doesn’t sound like a good idea to me! I once visited the Jesus People community in Chicago (well after the hippies era was over–probably 1994). It seemed weird to me. The young couple I knew had a bedroom /living area with a loft bed (to save floor space for living area), and their toddler daughter slept in a separate room with a girl from a different family. I don’t know if another adult was responsible for the children during the night, or what, but it struck me as weird and not all that family-friendly. I don’t remember if the couple had a kitchen or if all the meals were served communally; I just knew that the idea of being accountable to others for how you handled your family life didn’t seem to me like a good idea, and it seemed like a really low amount of privacy. Most of us probably value privacy too much, but putting two unrelated preschool children together outside their parents’ “house” seemed weird to me.
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Cheryl
I agree –
I certainly wouldn’t want to be very far from my childrens bedroom, across the hall or next to ours is a must, especially when their young, and even older.
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Sarah Palin was eviscerated by the Media for not answering Katie Couric’s question fast enough about what books she reads.
Well, here is what Obama had to say today when asked whether he was going to read Palin’s book, “I probably won’t, but I don’t get a chance to read things other than briefing books very often these days anyway”.
So the biggest blunder the press can point to about Palin is that this mother of five and governor of the largest state couldn’t think quickly enough about what she reads, yet the community organizer-in-chief can admit that he doesn’t read books at all and it’s no big deal!
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Xion, since he won’t release his academic records, how would anyone know what the guy did/does, read/reads?
I posted this over on Whirled Views earlier today –
The Obama list of records NOT RELEASED or NONE –
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#99 Victoria
Well, since he just admitted that he doesn’t actually read books (#97), I’m guessing he may not be so anxious to share his grades.
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Xion,
His secrecy has now become more than important – What does he have to HIDE?
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Victoria – Cheryl’s comment in #77 about older women being available to guide younger women sounds to me like the “Titus 2 woman”.
I was so very blessed to have some women like that when my kids were younger. We gathered – young moms, older moms, & a retired lady – every other week for Bible study, & also for sharing our lives & struggles & such. Through the gentle sharing & exhortation from the older women, we younger ones learned so much about being good wives & mothers, & other things, too.
Then there is the matter of older parents needing help. If I had been working when my daughters were in high school, I couldn’t have taken care of my MIL for those 4+ years, & wouldn’t be able to be available for my own ailing mother now.
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XION — How OFTEN do you see an adverb and substitute its antonym? NEVER? When Obama says it, I suspect ALWAYS, AGAIN AND AGAIN, RECURRENTLY, and LOTS!
Sarah now tells us she reads NEWSMAX. She probably would read WORLDMAG too if the Olaskys sold Going Rogue for $5.
I think Obama’s lying, XION. Not about the briefing books. He reads those ALL THE TIME and ROUTINELY. He’s just embarrassed to admit he reads The Financial Times and Basketball World — HABITUALLY
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#104 Scroop “I think Obama’s lying…”
Interesting. So what you are basically saying is that Obama is way smarter and more informed than he lets on.
I must say seriously that I am worried about your cult-like dedication to your supreme leader. I care about you man, really!
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