UPDATE: Did Hoffman concede too soon?
UPDATED: Doug Hoffman un-conceded the NY-23 race after a vote count showed him only 3,026 votes behind Owens (see original post from Nov. 12 below). Now, he has posted a message alleging that the election was stolen by ACORN and unions:
Recent developments leave me to wonder who is scheming behind closed doors, twisting arms and stealing elections from the voters of NY-23.
Politico reports that Hoffman has “next-to-no chance of pulling ahead,” with half of the absentee ballots counted and only a 344 Hoffman vote gain.
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A recanvassing of the vote in New York’s 23 Congressional District shows that everyone may have called the race too soon. Doug Hoffman, the Conservative Party candidate backed by many conservatives after they discovered the more liberal views of Republican Dede Scozzafava, conceded to Bill Owens on Election Day, believing that he was 5,335 votes down. Owens was quickly sworn in so that he could cast his vote for healthcare reform. But now recanvassing shows that Hoffman is only 3,026 votes behind Owens, the Syracuse Post-Standard reports. John Conklin, communications director for the state Board of Elections, says that means the race will be decided by absentee ballots.














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“John Conklin, communications director for the state Board of Elections, says that means the race will be decided by absentee ballots.”
what happens if he does over take her?
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what happens if he does over take him?
Will Owens be a true man and step down or will he be a true Dem. and refuse.
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The really interesting question is whether or not the White House had its fingers in the ‘voting snafus’ which caused Hoffman to concede early based on false information.
The White House was exerting incredible pressure and arm-twisting in that race – I would not be surprised if there are Chicago-style dirty tricks lurking behind all this.
Interestingly (read the article), the socialist health system takeover bill would probably not have passed the House if Hoffman had not been tricked into conceding.
The smell gets worse the further in you go on this one.
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Drill – I do not see Owens stepping down. I see him saying that Hoffman has his chance. Then Hoffman winning in a landslide next’s year.
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Pastor Roy,
That’s quite the gratuitous insult of Democrats in #2. What kind of pastor are you that you feel so comfortable hurling an insult?
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I don’t think absentee ballots have a probable chance of breaking for Hoffman by a bigger number than 3,000. Maybe Silver will actually be able to assign a number to the likeliness of that happening, but I think it’s be fairly low. Conventional wisdom usually believes that voters who vote by mail trend blue, because they are younger students and late voters. Hoffman’s most choice chuck of ballots have likely already been counted.
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mynock 11.12.09 AT 11:42 AM
I don’t think absentee ballots have a probable chance of breaking for Hoffman by a bigger number than 3,000. Maybe Silver will actually be able to assign a number to the likeliness of that happening, but I think it’s be fairly low. Conventional wisdom usually believes that voters who vote by mail trend blue, because they are younger students and late voters. Hoffman’s most choice chuck of ballots have likely already been counted.
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no most voters who vote by mail are soldiers.
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kwatson 11.12.09 AT 11:39 AM
Pastor Roy,
That’s quite the gratuitous insult of Democrats in #2. What kind of pastor are you that you feel so comfortable hurling an insult?
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History of the party shows that they can not be trusted to do the right thing. AN it is not an insult it is the truth.
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Pastor Roy: Whether or not Owens actually has the votes to ‘win’ is moot, at least from the standpoint of the vote on the Healthcare Takeover Bill in the House over the weekend.
Pelosi swore Owens in BEFORE the healthcare vote, in order to have that vote locked up.
Had Owens election been put on hold by Hoffman not conceding (he conceded based on clearly false information), it is unlikely that Pelosi would have been able to garner the required number of votes to pass that Bill (again, see the article linked in this thread).
So I am curious as to the role of the White House in this fiasco – it smacks of typical Democrat – Chicago style politics/corruption.
I agree with you, though – Hoffman will no doubt clean up next year and Owens will be history. But how much damage can the present Socialist Junta do in office in the meantime?
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Examples –
NJ Law stated you could not change people with in 30 days with in an election. The Dem. Was losing so they changed people and found a judge to permitted them even if it went against the law.
MA – Bush was running for his second term, the Dem. In Ma changed the State Law to stop the Gov. from replacing a sitting Senator if he leaves. Kennedy dies , the Dem. Change the law again so to permitted the Gov. to replace a sitting Senator if he leaves or dies.
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Big Labor influence and arm-twisting was brought into this at the last minute by the White House as well – I would not be surprised if there was wholesale voter fraud going on in order to push Owens totals up.
Probably we will never know, given the unholy alliance between much of the media and the White House in covering up the incredible corruption of this administration.
You have to remember that Marxist-Leninists have no compunction about such things as rigging elections, anyway.
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Oh come now…..it is not the Marxist-Leninists in the administration doing the arm twisting…they are kind souls.
No this is Rahm Immanuel doing the arm twisting and keeping his buddy the Marxist out of the typical Chicago Democrat style of politics. The majority of people voted for a figure that has never been investigated, never been vetted and now all of a sudden it is coming to light that he is nothing more than a typical Chicago Democrat politician full of arm twisting, threats and rigging elections?
Nah, the country knew this all before last year’s election but the liberals needed a president who does not know how to govern or lead so they can push through every liberal America defeating agenda they know of.
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As a former Election Inspector, I must say this is all too typical for NYS!
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The bill passed with 220 votes. Pelosi could have lost Owens and another Rep before she would have actually had to step in an vote herself to pass it with 218 (Or did she vote the first time?).
Owens was sworn in quickly because his opponent conceded and certificates were drafted and signed. Having him in the House in time for the healthcare vote was cool, but not required.
And the fantasies you all have concocted about Rahm Emanuel are hilarious. I doubt very much that an out of district import who took on the GOP establishment candidate would suddenly back down because of “White House arm twisting.” And the results will show soon enough that he was right to do so. Hoffman lost this election.
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Mynock: You might want to read the article before commenting. Another Rep. explicitly stated they would not have voted for it if there were not at least 218 votes.
Then count the MAJOR factor that, had that race not been purposely and wrongly called for the Democrat in the first place (before enough votes were counted), there would have been a significant number of Demos who would not have voted for the health care takeover Bill – the Administration and its kept prostitutes in the media were howling themselves before, during and after about the ‘cover’ it gave such fence-sitters.
The Administration and the Socialists like Pelosi in Congress and the media were DESPERATE to declare to the country that Nov. 3 was not a clean sweep against Democrats.
I had recalled that Pelosi voted but I am not sure about that.
The Administration imported Big Labor (read the Mob) into that race at the last minute. Between voter intimidation (which this administration is in favor of – look at the ‘Justice’ Department) and election corruption on a massive scale (ACORN – a White House affiliate), ad infinitum, it is pretty obvious that this race – and all the irregularities in it had the White House’s grubby fingerprints all over it.
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drill – Fox’s News is reporting that ACORN is sueing the Gov. to get all their money back.
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Pastor Roy: Well, I saw that too.
Except it is not and never was THEIR money – it is YOUR and MY money (money that their fellow criminals in Congress extorted from the taxpayers in the first place).
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drill 11.12.09 AT 2:52 PM
Pastor Roy: Well, I saw that too.
Except it is not and never was THEIR money – it is YOUR and MY money (money that their fellow criminals in Congress extorted from the taxpayers in the first place).
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the old saying what is yours is mine and what is mine is mine. Well they believe that.
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@mynock
I live in the 23 District, and most of the absentee votes here are definitely soldiers. Fort Drum, the 10 Mountain Division, is located here and the chances are good that Hoffman pulled a lot of those votes. For what it’s worth. We’ll see how this one pans out, but it’s been nice to feel like my vote counted for something in an election in this very blue state!
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Pastor Roy, before I saw your post at 10, I was thinking of a way to bring NJ into the fray. Not only did the Dems do that with a senate race, but they are talking about having Corzine step down as governor now, put a guy named Codey (Senate Pres.) in who was our interim governor when McGreevey messed up and then the Dems would put pressure on Dem Sen. Lautenberg to “retire” so that Codey could appoint Corzine to finish out his term and be senator. So, you are SPOT ON! about Dems.
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NJLawyer 11.12.09 AT 6:00 PM
Pastor Roy, before I saw your post at 10, I was thinking of a way to bring NJ into the fray. Not only did the Dems do that with a senate race, but they are talking about having Corzine step down as governor now, put a guy named Codey (Senate Pres.) in who was our interim governor when McGreevey messed up and then the Dems would put pressure on Dem Sen. Lautenberg to “retire” so that Codey could appoint Corzine to finish out his term and be senator. So, you are SPOT ON! about Dems.
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all the lust of power
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Alissa should run. She has my vote!
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Hoffman should have held out until they had found more votes hidden in cars around the district and the votes were in his favor. At least it would have kept the opposition from getting to vote for obamacare.
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Pastor Roy,
MA – Bush was running for his second term, the Dem. In Ma changed the State Law to stop the Gov. from replacing a sitting Senator if he leaves. Kennedy dies, the Dem. Change the law again so to permitted the Gov. to replace a sitting Senator if he leaves or dies.
I’m not familiar with the situation in NJ, but the situation in Massachusetts is what we like to call democracy. As I’m sure you aware Massachusetts is an overwhelmingly Democratic State. Changing the law so that a Republican Governor can’t appoint a Senator and then changing it back so that a Democratic Governor can, is simply our law makers being responsive to the will of their constituent’s. Of course the Republicans cried foul, but the majority of the people, being Democrats, where quite pleased with this totally legal action.
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kwatson – Changing the law so that a Republican Governor can’t appoint a Senator and then changing it back so that a Democratic Governor can, is simply our law makers being responsive to the will of their constituent’s.
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Translation – Dem. Lust for power, they will change laws to ensure they stay in power.
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Relax guys. Conservatives don’t win close elections. That’s why they are so angry about 2000. There’s nothing worse than miscalculating how much you need to steal an election.
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I recall an interesting election result in Florida, and much sanctimonious crowing by Republicans about Democrat complaints.
Have you folks no shame and no sense of your double standards?
Silly question. Of course not.
Do you all live in halls of mirrors?
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Random Name 11.19.09 AT 11:07 AM
I recall an interesting election result in Florida, and much sanctimonious crowing by Republicans about Democrat complaints.
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the problem that happen in Florida was the Democrat wanted a recount of only his districts not the whole State.
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Ransom Name (#27),
Every count of the disputed FL counties showed Bush as the winner.
NY 23 is still being contested. If Owens prevails (he probably will), Republicans will grouse about for a few months and move on.
I don’t thing they will still be bringing it up nine years later.
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Random…..as usual you are incorrect. What happened in FL was that Al Gore thought he had all the votes he needed and so instead of letting the results run the way that they should, he demanded a recount…..a recount of only the districts that he stood a chance of winning more votes in. That went against state election laws which clearly stated that ALL districts must be recounted in a state wide election which the presidential election was. When that vote was done, George Bush won.
Clearly Gore was not the Chicago Democrat that Barack Hussein Obama is and he didn’t have the SEIU and ACORN out hustling votes for him.
So you can sit back and call everybody whiners now but please tell me who the whiners are who when defeated have done recounts in elections? Was it Democrats? Or was it Republicans?
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Anybody remember this fiasco?
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Read is his letter. Sounds like all he is doing is waving the ACORN flag around to raise money to pay off his campaign debt. We already know the outcome of this election.
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David, same as Minnesota. Keep counting till you get enough to win. But LBJ found a lost ballot box in Texas. Just think: If that ballot box hadn’t been found, the VietNam War wouldn’t have gotten out of hand.
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People I know there also say there was a problem in mailing out the absentee military ballots in time to mail them back by the deadline. If this is true, perhaps DoJ’s office on civil rights should investigate. Regardless, Hoffman’s in good shape to defeat the Dem next year.
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They will need to find all those cars with the UNCOUNTED ballots to show who REALLY won.
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Ah… NANA
The old military snafu. Familiar holdup has happened before.
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Don’t tell me someone CAN’T control computer tallies.
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I’m sure this election looks great when the WH points a finger at other countries and say there is election fraud.
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The mafia don never sullies his hands. As well the community organizer.
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Does anyone know history or election law on this? Can a person “unconcede”?
Owens was already sworn in. If the vote comes in Hoffman’s favor, would he have a case before the courts, or would he be summarily dismissed with a “tough luck, but you conceded.”
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Will Owens be a true man and step down or will he be a true Dem. and refuse.
What would GWB do?
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I would think a “tough luck” most likely. Frankly it’s Hoffman’s fault for bowing out before the fat lady sung.
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Scroop Moth 11.19.09 AT 2:07 PM
Will Owens be a true man and step down or will he be a true Dem. and refuse.
What would GWB do?
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GWB Won even after the recount by the media so it is not an issue.
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Hoffman conceded on the basis of an erroneous vote tally. A problem with one county’s voting machines was discovered a week before the election and fixed by the manufacturer. Another county’s recount shows Hoffman leading. The Democrat party released an order to impound the machines in time for Owens to be sworn in and vote for the House Health bill. “Unconceding” could be a new term of art, but Hoffman may very well have grounds to challenge the results.
http://www.gouverneurtimes.com/
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What would GWB do in Owen’s place, PASTOR BOY? That’s what Owens should do, IMHO. Flood the 23rd with lawyers and start filing lawsuits!
MYNOCK: Sounds like all he is doing is waving the ACORN flag around to raise money to pay off his campaign debt.
Hear that, AMPHIPOLIS? Write a check today. Put a stop to this outrage!
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Nana – “Another county’s recount shows Hoffman leading. The Democrat party released an order to impound the machines in time for Owens to be sworn in and vote for the House Health bill”
cab there be crimial charges?
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Scroop Moth 11.19.09 AT 2:41 PM
What would GWB do in Owen’s place, PASTOR BOY? That’s what Owens should do, IMHO. Flood the 23rd with lawyers and start filing lawsuits!
MYNOCK: Sounds like all he is doing is waving the ACORN flag around to raise money to pay off his campaign debt.
Hear that, AMPHIPOLIS? Write a check today. Put a stop to this outrage!
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sorry it was Al GOre that flood Fl with lawyers and start filing lawsuits! Not GWB
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ACORN stole it, huh?
Wow, those guys are busy. And nefarious. And shadowy.
They’re like an evil empire. Their tendrils are in every slightly shady to downright anti-American happenstance in the past… like… forever.
In addition to stealing Hoffman’s victory. And, according to 52% of Republicans, they stole the election for Obama, too.
I bet they shot JFK, too.
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my question is what did ACORN do?
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ACORN stole the election by fraud and then intimidated Huffman into a concession.
What about my question? What would GWB do with Owen’s election numbers?
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Scroop Moth 11.19.09 AT 3:44 PM
ACORN stole the election by fraud and then intimidated Huffman into a concession.
What about my question? What would GWB do with Owen’s election numbers?
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Since GWB lost his first election, his responds was to run for office again.
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Hey, this is so much fun, let’s kvetch about election counting forever! It’s not as hard as Afghanistan, or the tension in the Republican party between big business and anti-government dogma, or the trouble Democrats have in asserting public opinion against right-wing ideology, or the metrics of GDP and tax cuts, or GDP and stimulus, etc. Whee! All ACORN!
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JJF 48 – what do you expect when 53% of all voters have an unfavorable view of ACORN? I’d like to see the internal of that poll.
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I don’t think you want to say what GWB would do with Owen’s current election results, PASTOR.
Owens will run for office again in 11 months. Will Hoffman? Since he’s sobbing about ACCORN to get your sympathy, PASTOR, I doubt Hoffman has much traction for next Nov. Will you send him money today? Please give generously! I’m convinced that the LORD has an answer to ACORN, and He may be calling you to deliver. Open your heart and your wallet. The more you open them, the more amazed you will be at how quickly God fills them! Blessings.
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How did my screen name get changed to “Ransom Name.” (#29)
How much do I have to pay to get my name back?
Representative democracy is a fairly good system until the results get close. Never had to worry about close elections in the good old days of Iraq or Albania.
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Scroop Moth 11.19.09 AT 4:06 PM
I don’t think you want to say what GWB would do with Owen’s current election results, PASTOR.
Owens will run for office again in 11 months. Will Hoffman? Since he’s sobbing about ACCORN to get your sympathy, PASTOR, I doubt Hoffman has much traction for next Nov. Will you send him money today? Please give generously! I’m convinced that the LORD has an answer to ACORN, and He may be calling you to deliver. Open your heart and your wallet. The more you open them, the more amazed you will be at how quickly God fills them! Blessings
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I don’t think you want to say what GWB would do with Owen’s current election results, PASTOR. — if it was proven he losted, I believe GW would step down. An I believe Hoffman will run and will win.
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Random Name,
Sorry about that! I read your post at #55 and thought, “What in the world is he talking about?”
Then I looked at post #29 and knew you were talking about me.
My apologies.
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#48: Wait, so ACORN is part of the VAST RIGHT-WING CONSPIRACY that Clinton’s been whistle-blowing about?
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. . . according to 52% of Republicans, they stole the election for Obama, too.
Don’t present a biased picture, JJF. Another 18% of Republicans are undecided. They’re keeping an open mind!
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#57
Not to worry. If this is the worst thing that happens to me today, I will be able to live with it.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/11/24/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5764737.shtml
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