Young, missional, but not emergent
I would like to apologize to all the missional pastors in America who are currently under attack and struggling to raise support because many religious traditionalists and conservatives do not know the difference between a missional church and an emergent church. Many Protestants seem to easily equate missional church plants with emergent churches for reasons that might be generational. Increasingly I find myself defending missional church plants across the country from those who are so unfamiliar with what an emergent church is that many assume any young congregation organized to reach non-Christians by mixing historic forms in new ways and lacking propositional dogmatism must be an “emergent” church. This is what Protestants do: re-invent Christianity every generation or so.
Since we have not convened an ecumenical council to finalize the definitions of words like “emergent,” “emerging,” and “missional,” they remain dynamic and unsettling for many. Tim Keller, pastor of Redeemer Presbyterian Church in New York City, defines missional churches as those “adapting and reformulating absolutely everything [the church] does in worship, discipleship, community, and service—so as to be engaged with the non-Christian society around [it].” Now to some, this might sound like Brian McLaren. It is, however, possible to have a church with an unconventional church name that values innovative worship, informal dress, social justice, narrative and inductive forms of preaching, less propositional theological dogmatism, and also remain committed to a Bible inspired by God and gospel message of hope, restoration, salvation, and the historic teachings of the church?
What if one of these so called, “emergent” churches posted something like this on a website regarding the Bible:
“It was in the Body of Christ, to ‘the saints,’ that our holy faith was delivered ‘once and for all’; the one who does not belong to this Body cannot interpret correctly the holy Bible (2 Thessalonians. 3:6; 2 Peter 3:16; Jude 3-4). In this context, the Divine Tradition is the experience of the Church, the divine memory of the Church, which is kept like a priceless treasure (2 Tim. 1:13-14).
“The Holy Bible does not include the completeness of the divine revelation. The importance of the spoken tradition and the care taken for its spreading from generation to generation was already underlined from Old Testament times (Psalm. 43:2; 44:1; and Joel 1:3). The New Testament notes that it does not contain the completeness of the words and works of Christ (John 21:25).
“That very book, the Holy Bible, makes use of the tradition (Numbers 21:14-15; Matt.2:23; Acts 20: 35; 2 Tim. 3: 8; Jude 14). Christ did not motion his disciples to write books but to preach. . . .”
If this same hypothetical church then focused its congregation on experiencing community life together, especially in the liturgy, interpreting the Scriptures in community, opening parishioners to the idea that God is still revealing himself, and that the Bible, while sufficient for salvation, does not answer all of life’s questions nor reveal how God thinks about everything. Plus, if the church is not interested in reading books about doctrine, and embraces mystery, it would likely raise eyebrows and suspicion of being postmodern and unbiblical. The fact is, however, that a church that would post such a statement is nothing but truly orthodox—that is, Eastern Orthodox.
Because a young church planter is doing whatever it takes to reach his local neighborhood by adapting and reformulating absolutely everything the church does so as to be engaged with the non-Christian folks in the area does not mean the church is “emergent.” It only means that the church in Protestant.














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“It is true that some preach Christ out of envy and rivalry, but others out of goodwill. The latter do so in love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel. The former preach Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing that they can stir up trouble for me while I am in chains. But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice…” Philippians 1: 15-18
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It is true that some “preach christ out of envy and rivalry.”
But many preach Christ out of sincere Biblical love for Him, but differently from the way I preach Christ.
If Paul could, and I should, rejoice when some preach Christ out of selfish ambition, should I not much more rejoice when someone sincerely preaches Christ in a different manner than I do!
It is appropriate and important to have strong Biblical convictions. It is equally important to let Christ build His Church in whatever way He leads.
It is interesting that we expect missionaries in foreign countries to minister in the cultural context, but woe to the people who do it here.
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I find the key to preaching and teaching is knowing the people you are addressing. An letting God use you to reach them where they are.
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Thank you Anthony for pointing out the flux of definitions. There are differences and we must not draw hasty conclusions from easy labels.
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Bradley, “Emergent Churches” are relatively new, so it isn’t a “generational” thing –
Why don’t you tell us how YOU DEFINE the “Emergent Church” ? –
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Take care with leaving “propositional theological dogmatism”. Reformulating “everything” is a very dangerous task.
I don’t think all missional churches are emergent, but I do think their task of making things “culturally relevent” often replaces the Gospel with the “new gospel” Kevin DeYoung talked about yesterday.
http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/2009/11/24/the-new-gospel-a-call-for-discernment/
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“Missional” is a word popularized by “emergents.” If you don’t want to be lumped in with them, don’t adopt their vocabulary.
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I think by “a generational thing” Anthony means that older people are reacting to what younger people are doing. That has been going on for all time I would imagine. Young people tend to want to do everything different from their parents, and it isn’t always bad.
Actually the church is always changing and sometimes those changes are more radical.
It is important to continually evaluate the Biblical value of those changes.
It seems that we don’t need to worry much about changes being sneaked in without someone pointing out how awful they are.
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STUBOB #7,
Very wise comment.
It is likewise important for us to be careful about hastily lumping together without thoughtful analysis.
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We seem to be living in an age when we have to explain everything we say with extreme specificity in order to make sure that someone does not jump to a wrong conclusion about what we are saying.
I guess that’s a bad thing and a good thing at the same time. But it sure can be frustrating.
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I don’t agree with that at all. Young people are objecting as much as any other age group IF they are studied in Scripture, and understand the difference. The “Emergent Church” is not an age group church.
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Stubob,
The word “missional” was, as you say, popularized by emergents. But other people had already been using it for several years. Why should those people have to give it up just because the emergents co-opted it?
FWIW, the church I attend could easily be described as missional as described above (though they do not deemphasize propositional theology as much as some others do), and they make it clear that it is very intentional, but they don’t use the word missional about themselves.
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Wouldn’t “missional” apply to any evangelistic church?
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I do wonder how much people age group, have to deal with their understanding of terms in side the Church.
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Hopesprings,
The “Emergent Church” has popularized more than a few phrases, most people who know what they are, understand what it represents, and that is the Emergent Church movement.
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Age in not a ‘bench mark’ as to how much someone knows regarding Scripture and the church. Granted one needs time in their life to study and grasp what the Bible says, but there are middle to older folks who have sat in church most of their lives and still don’t know the Word of GOD.
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Victoria
In one of my College Class on my way to getting my B.S. in Pastoral Ministry. The teacher asked us to define certain words that is used in the Church world. An what was the role of certain position with the Church. After writing down our answer he told us to go to Church and asked people of different age groups the same question. We were to report back on what we found out.
The result was that most people above the age of 60 all had the same answer. When we looked at people below the age of 60 most people had different views.
He told us this is the problem that will be facing the Church in the Future.
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If it is the “Word of God,” why does it constantly need new jargon and new vocabulary?
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Victoria 11,
I think Anthony is saying that perhaps some of the reactions are older Christians being suspicious of the changes they see being made in the church.
I think you are addressing the one issue of the unBiblical Emergent church and the fact that anyone of any age who understands the Bible correctly would disagree with it.
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RN – 18
Good question!
I think it is similar to the fact that your talk about, and your talk to, your granddaughter will change, react, and evolve as the two of you go through the changes of your lives together.
You remain the same people and the old words are cherished and understood but the welcome, and unwelcome things of life will modify how you talk with each other.
The Bible remains the same, but our understanding and ways of explaining the Bible change.
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Fisherman
Changes that are not compatable or allign with Scripture would be noted by a Believer of any age, depending on their knowledge of the Bible. Older doesn’t mean they understand it -
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Commentary by Roger Oakland
Signs the Emerging Church is Emerging
There are specific warning signs that are symptomatic that a church may be headed down the emergent/contemplative road. In some cases a pastor may not be aware that he is on this road nor understand where the road ends up.
Here are some of the warning signs:
Scripture is no longer the ultimate authority as the basis for the Christian faith.
The centrality of the gospel of Jesus Christ is being replaced by humanistic methods promoting church growth and a social gospel.
More and more emphasis is being placed on building the kingdom of God now and less and less on the warnings of Scripture about the imminent return of Jesus Christ and a coming judgment in the future.
The teaching that Jesus Christ will rule and reign in a literal millennial period is considered unbiblical and heretical.
The teaching that the church has taken the place of Israel and Israel has no prophetic significance is often embraced.
The teaching that the Book of Revelation does not refer to the future, but instead has been already fulfilled in the past
An experiential mystical form of Christianity begins to be promoted as a method to reach the postmodern generation.
Ideas are promoted teaching that Christianity needs to be reinvented in order to provide meaning for this generation.
The pastor may implement an idea called “ancient-future” or “vintage Christianity” claiming that in order to take the church forward, we need to go back in church history and find out what experiences were effective to get people to embrace Christianity.
While the authority of the Word of God is undermined, images and sensual experiences are promoted as the key to experiencing and knowing God.
These experiences include icons, candles, incense, liturgy, labyrinths, prayer stations, contemplative prayer, experiencing the sacraments, particularly the sacrament of the Eucharist.
There seems to be a strong emphasis on ecumenism indicating that a bridge is being established that leads in the direction of unity with the Roman Catholic Church.
Some evangelical Protestant leaders are saying that the Reformation went too far. They are reexamining the claims of the “church fathers” saying that communion is more than a symbol and that Jesus actually becomes present in the wafer at communion.
There will be a growing trend towards an ecumenical unity for the cause of world peace claiming the validity of other religions and that there are many ways to God.
Members of churches who question or resist the new changes that the pastor is implementing are reprimanded and usually asked to leave.
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Amendment to #19
I think you are addressing the one issue of the unBiblical Emergent church and the fact that anyone of any age who understands the Bible correctly would disagree with >> the unBiblical Emergent church.
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Hopesprings,
I read that the term missional came into use because
A. connotations associated with “missions” and “missionary,” such as Western missionaries trying to Westernize converts as well as Christianize them
B. churches that talked a lot about missions often thought of it primarily in terms of sending out missionaries to other lands, but when it came to evangelizing their own communities, they expected people to come to church rather than the church going to them
Using a new word made people stop and wonder what it meant, rather than thinking they already knew what it meant. I don’t think it’s necessary to do that, I find it somewhat confusing to have such similar terms that ought to mean the same thing but don’t. But the idea behind the new word is a good one. Most churches I have been to in the last twenty years seem to do fine teaching the idea but using the old word (missions).
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“Scripture is no longer the ultimate authority as the basis for the Christian faith.
The centrality of the gospel of Jesus Christ is being replaced by humanistic methods promoting church growth and a social gospel.’”
I can name a few churches that have fallen into this trap
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#18: It doesn’t. That’s… the point.
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Pastor Roy – 25
You’re right – there are many churches who have been led astray. The “Emergent Church” has slid into many mainline churches – the people accepted the new invention of church.
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From #18: If it is the “Word of God,” why does it constantly need new jargon and new vocabulary?
Reply #26: It doesn’t. That’s… the point.
In a sense, this is a correct attitude. Words like “salvation,” “redemption,” “Trinity,” and “incarnation” still have their meanings. But many of the common phrasings and expressions of Christianity come from the translated Bible – and old English of 1609 and earlier. Linguistically, some of these are obsolete and do not “speak” to a modern, unconverted mind. I find that the newer translations are quite helpful in this respect (assuming they are faithful and accurate.) To the extent that use of a good, newer translation is seen as new vocabulary or “jargon,” there is little to worry about.
(Two side thoughts about “speaking to the modern, unconverted mind”: The Holy Spirit can certainly use old English to reach a repenting heart – although He may have trouble with ancient Greek. And some, perhaps many of us on this board, may fear that the newer translations are pandering to the “dumbing down” of the modern culture – but even an ignoramus needs Christ!)
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Doulos8 – 28
Your defintion of:
“But many of the common phrasings and expressions of Christianity come from the translated Bible”
IS ?
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We don’t really reinvent Christianity, we just rearticulate it.
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Victoria #29.
I was referring to the wording of a specific translation, in particular the KJV. (I am no fan of the KJV for devotional use or public reading.) Some examples of what I had in mind may be cultural as well. For example,…
Quit ye like men.
The quick and the dead.
Filthy lucre.
Thou art the potter.
The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away.
Tribulation worketh patience.
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Doulos8 – 31
I love the King James Version –
I hope you have a wonderful Thanksgiving – I’m so glad and joyful that I am a Believer, that my parents brought me up to understand the Word of GOD, to know HIM who is our Savior. My father was a pastor, I am blessed beyond measure.
GOD bless you
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Victoria – I was not raised in a Christian home. Mom & Dad were Catholic-in-name-only pretty much. So I am thankful for the Christian friends & acquaintances God brought into my life throughout the years, which eventually led to my accepting Him.
It was after I met Lee (who is now my husband). I was falling in love with this guy, & discovered he was yet another Christian! I remember thinking, “I think God is trying to tell me something.” And, of course, He was!
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doulos8,
From the Darby, this is handy for public reading in some circles…
“For they that bear witness are three:” (1Jo 5:7)
..less vocabulary challenges, less words. Of course, you still have to learn what a “three” is.
Better to to use a complete Bible…
“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” (1Jo 5:7)
Happy Thanksgiving!
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(..”It only means that the church in Protestant…”)
Anthony,
Was the church as Jerusalem “protestant”?
“Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.” (Ac 2:47)
Were they “protesting” the papists??
Perhaps “protestant” is not the base term from which to argue.
So the “emergers” might get to have a little fun with a new term.
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#35..typo fix, “..at Jerusalem…”
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Anthony is giving a little plug here for the Eastern Orthodox church. Just because a church puts the word orthodox in it’s name does not make it actually orthodox. That is for believers to test and compare with the scriptures to see if it is true. Acts 17:11 This is dynamic is for believers who want to be more noble than those who just take in what they are taught.
I have heard this church makes the bogus claim that church unity is demonstrated by a single institutional hierarchy with one name. This is the same false assumption the Catholics try to use. I have also heard they latch onto the claim that because their institution is one of the oldest, that it must be the truest. Another bogus claim. It’s like those who claim that the “church fathers” were closer to the truth in what they said because they were closer in time to the original apostles. The Galatian church was taught by Paul directly but they went into false teaching. Orthodoxy claimed by virtue of time proximity is pure falderal. If I am wrong in what I have heard, I am open to correction.
“Divine Tradition is the experience of the Church, the divine memory of the Church, which is kept like a priceless treasure” (2 Tim. 1:13-14).
This statement right here is a huge window for false teaching. 2 Tim. 1:13, 14 can only refer to what is documented in Paul’s writings. The statement with “divine tradition” and “divine memory” seems to try to infer upon this passage that there are unwritten memories of what Paul spoke to Timothy that can be claimed to be God’s revelation. This is major bogus teaching if this is what they mean. It sure sounds like they mean it.
“Christ did not motion his disciples to write books but to preach. . . .”
And what is this supposed to mean? The disciples were out of place to write books? They were overstepping Christ’s instructions to write books? This is not exegetical teaching. This is clearly a contriving of the Word to try and prove a point that “divine memory” exists as an authority equal to or even greater than the written word (because Jesus never asked the disciples to write…). I am not a sucker for these bogus claims. I smell a theological rat. Does anyone else?
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This not directed towards anyone here it is part of letter I sent to the Pope, but It does kind of fit.God bless and Peace always in Yeshua. Matthew
“While others fight over meaningless doctrine and who is wrong and who is right they forget what there one and only duty was to spread peace, love and joy in the name of Yeshua. But yet all they do is spread hate and discontent through out the flock and the discontent lingers down to the followers and instead of being full of love and joy they are filled with bitterness, spite and selfish pride this is not the way of the Lord but of His enemy.”
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Believing in Jesus Christ as Savior, repenting of sin is NOT “meaningless doctrine” –
Spreading “peace, love and joy” is a good, but it won’t save anyone from their sin – Repenting and believing on Jesus Christ is the only way one can obtain Salvation.
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