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		<title>By: ConanTheLibrarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>ConanTheLibrarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 11:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheryl D: &lt;i&gt;Kim, anybody who accuses you of being racist for saying something positive about another race doesn’t understand the term. (Unless it’s a veiled insult, like saying, “Jews sure are good with other people’s money” or whatever.) &lt;/i&gt;

I think it is you who does not understand the term. Racism is usually about negative stereotypes, but really any kind of stereotype is under the umbrella. Whether you&#039;re saying that black people are lazy or Asian people are great at math, you&#039;re pre-judging people based not on their individual characteristics, but on their race.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheryl D: <i>Kim, anybody who accuses you of being racist for saying something positive about another race doesn’t understand the term. (Unless it’s a veiled insult, like saying, “Jews sure are good with other people’s money” or whatever.) </i></p>
<p>I think it is you who does not understand the term. Racism is usually about negative stereotypes, but really any kind of stereotype is under the umbrella. Whether you&#8217;re saying that black people are lazy or Asian people are great at math, you&#8217;re pre-judging people based not on their individual characteristics, but on their race.
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		<title>By: Sylvie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sylvie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 02:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I lurk on here regularly, but usually chicken out of commenting.  I agree that it would be nice if Jon Rowe were given a second chance.  
Just my two centimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I lurk on here regularly, but usually chicken out of commenting.  I agree that it would be nice if Jon Rowe were given a second chance.<br />
Just my two centimes.
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		<title>By: DJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 19:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll add my voice to those who would like to see Jon’s banishment lifted.  Of course, I don’t always get what I want; and the moderator is well within his rights to ban whoever he chooses.  I’m just saying it would be nice to see Jon get a second chance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll add my voice to those who would like to see Jon’s banishment lifted.  Of course, I don’t always get what I want; and the moderator is well within his rights to ban whoever he chooses.  I’m just saying it would be nice to see Jon get a second chance.
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		<title>By: SteveG</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 19:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the benefit of those who didn&#039;t see it: The topic was the claim that only those who believe the Bible have a consistent and objective standard to oppose homosexuality, pedophilia, polyamory, etc. 

Jon pointed out that in fact the Bible does NOT offer that basis. And one of his arguments in support of that view is that the Jews marked the passage from childhood to adulthood -- and therefore, old enough to marry and have children -- at age 12 or 13. 

For that, NJLawyer said Jon supports NAMBLA and that she would not trust him around small children. 

I don&#039;t think Jon should have been banned for responding in anger to that sleazy lie, but I can understand that Mickey might feel differently. What I cannot understand is how he -- or anyone with a shred of decency -- can think that Jon deserved banning but NJLawyer did not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the benefit of those who didn&#8217;t see it: The topic was the claim that only those who believe the Bible have a consistent and objective standard to oppose homosexuality, pedophilia, polyamory, etc. </p>
<p>Jon pointed out that in fact the Bible does NOT offer that basis. And one of his arguments in support of that view is that the Jews marked the passage from childhood to adulthood &#8212; and therefore, old enough to marry and have children &#8212; at age 12 or 13. </p>
<p>For that, NJLawyer said Jon supports NAMBLA and that she would not trust him around small children. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think Jon should have been banned for responding in anger to that sleazy lie, but I can understand that Mickey might feel differently. What I cannot understand is how he &#8212; or anyone with a shred of decency &#8212; can think that Jon deserved banning but NJLawyer did not.
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		<title>By: Victoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 19:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon made a comment which caused him the problem.  Mixing  Bar Mitzvah, Bat Mitzvah with ________ was disrespectful and untrue, it was a slap in the face to anyone who understands these ceremonies which the Jews give their young boys and girls.    

I still support NJLawyer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon made a comment which caused him the problem.  Mixing  Bar Mitzvah, Bat Mitzvah with ________ was disrespectful and untrue, it was a slap in the face to anyone who understands these ceremonies which the Jews give their young boys and girls.    </p>
<p>I still support NJLawyer.
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		<title>By: Cheryl D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheryl D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 19:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon definitely did cross the line in language in that post, I&#039;d say. Whether it warranted &quot;automatic&quot; banning after years of following the rules isn&#039;t my decision to make. 

Can we vote for his return in exchange for someone else? :) I don&#039;t care if he&#039;s here or isn&#039;t, honestly; I found his posts tiresome and nearly always skipped them. But others have been worse &quot;offenders,&quot; in my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon definitely did cross the line in language in that post, I&#8217;d say. Whether it warranted &#8220;automatic&#8221; banning after years of following the rules isn&#8217;t my decision to make. </p>
<p>Can we vote for his return in exchange for someone else? <img src='http://online.worldmag.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I don&#8217;t care if he&#8217;s here or isn&#8217;t, honestly; I found his posts tiresome and nearly always skipped them. But others have been worse &#8220;offenders,&#8221; in my opinion.
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		<title>By: Victoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 19:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should have been clear:

Outkast left, he got tired of it, he too took pot shots from a few people here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should have been clear:</p>
<p>Outkast left, he got tired of it, he too took pot shots from a few people here.
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		<title>By: Victoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 19:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do any of you remember why Peter Leavitt left, I DO - Peter was one of the best posters, yet there were some who felt it their duty to take pot shots - I would guess jealousy played into it.

Outkast left, he got tired of it, he too took pot shots.

As far as FOF, that was obvious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do any of you remember why Peter Leavitt left, I DO &#8211; Peter was one of the best posters, yet there were some who felt it their duty to take pot shots &#8211; I would guess jealousy played into it.</p>
<p>Outkast left, he got tired of it, he too took pot shots.</p>
<p>As far as FOF, that was obvious.
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		<title>By: Pauline</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pauline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 17:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#113
I would be happy to cast a vote in favor of his return.

Keeping order among a group of people who push the envelope as far as &quot;rules of engagement&quot; are concerned is a difficult thing. 

I remember my (brief) experience as a classroom teacher, finding it very difficult to decide when someone had actually crossed the line and deserved punishment rather than just a warning. People are &lt;i&gt;so&lt;/i&gt; good at coming so close to the line but not clearly going over, and while you&#039;re deciding how to respond, a dozen more do the same thing, and then you&#039;re stuck with whether to punish all of them, and then some are going to protest that since you didn&#039;t punish that other person right away that you apparently were allowing that behavior. When someone finally steps across the line clearly you tend to jump at the opportunity to make an example of that person.

I don&#039;t know if that&#039;s the case with Mickey&#039;s banning Jon, but that was how the situation seemed to me, especially when he said &quot;If you can’t tell, my patience is wearing extremely thin. There are a lot things I’d rather be doing on a Saturday night than babysitting this group.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#113<br />
I would be happy to cast a vote in favor of his return.</p>
<p>Keeping order among a group of people who push the envelope as far as &#8220;rules of engagement&#8221; are concerned is a difficult thing. </p>
<p>I remember my (brief) experience as a classroom teacher, finding it very difficult to decide when someone had actually crossed the line and deserved punishment rather than just a warning. People are <i>so</i> good at coming so close to the line but not clearly going over, and while you&#8217;re deciding how to respond, a dozen more do the same thing, and then you&#8217;re stuck with whether to punish all of them, and then some are going to protest that since you didn&#8217;t punish that other person right away that you apparently were allowing that behavior. When someone finally steps across the line clearly you tend to jump at the opportunity to make an example of that person.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if that&#8217;s the case with Mickey&#8217;s banning Jon, but that was how the situation seemed to me, especially when he said &#8220;If you can’t tell, my patience is wearing extremely thin. There are a lot things I’d rather be doing on a Saturday night than babysitting this group.&#8221;
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		<title>By: kBells</title>
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		<dc:creator>kBells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 16:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could we vote Jon back on the island?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could we vote Jon back on the island?
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