Top 10 religion news stories of 2009
One hundred religion journalists, members of the Religion Newswriters Association, took a survey and ranked the 2009 religion news stories in order of importance.
Here are the results:
1. President Obama pledges a new beginning in Muslim-U.S. relations and reaches out to the world’s Muslims during a major speech at Cairo University.
2. Health-care reform, the No. 1 topic in Congress for most of the year, involves faith-based groups appealing strongly for action to help “the least of these,” and others, such as the Roman Catholic bishops, for restrictions on abortion funding.
3. Because Maj. Nidal Hasan, the accused gunman in the Fort Hood massacre, was considered a devout Muslim, the role of that faith in terrorism again comes under review; some fear a backlash.
4. Dr. George Tiller, regarded as the country’s leading abortion doctor, is gunned down while ushering in his Wichita Lutheran church. Scott Roeder, charged with his murder, is described as a man suffering from delusions and professing radical religious beliefs.
5. Mormons in California come under attack from some supporters of gay rights because of their lobbying efforts in the November 2008 election on behalf of Prop. 8, which outlawed gay marriage. Later in the year, Iowa, Vermont and New Hampshire approve gay marriage, but it is overturned by voters in Maine.
6. President Obama receives an honorary degree and gives the commencement speech at Notre Dame after fierce debates at the Roman Catholic university over Obama’s views on abortion.
7. The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America votes to ordain gay and lesbian clergy who are in a committed monogamous relationship, leading a number of conservative churches —known as the Coalition for Renewal—to move toward forming a new denomination.
8. The recession forces cutbacks at a great variety of faith-related organizations—houses of worship, relief agencies, colleges and seminaries, publishing houses.
9. The Episcopal Church Triennial Convention votes to end a moratorium on installing gay bishops, ignoring a request from the archbishop of Canterbury. At year’s end Los Angeles chooses a lesbian, Mary Glasspool, as assistant bishop. Earlier, an elected bishop in Upper Michigan, Kevin Thew Forrester, is rejected because of his extreme liberal views.
10. President Obama’s inauguration includes a controversial invocation by Rick Warren and a controversial benediction by Joseph Lowery, as well as a pre-ceremony prayer by gay Bishop Gene Robinson.
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Journalists rank the REAL top 2009 religion news stories in order of importance:
1. Barck Obama makes a speech!
2. Barck Obama makes a speech!
3. Barck Obama makes a speech!
4. Barck Obama makes a speech!
5. Barck Obama makes a speech!
6. Church officials vote on placating homosexuals.
7. Barck Obama makes a speech!
8. Marriage redefinition crudade continues!
9. Barck Obama makes a speech!
10. Barck Obama still trying to decide on a home church!
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The Manhattan Declaration is missing.
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Missed: The millions of people becoming children of God and a part of His Church all around the world. The angels don’t sing when a president speaks or an ecclesiastical body votes, but there certainly is joy in heaven when a sinner repents. Even though it doesn’t make headlines, it happens many, many, many, many times a day.
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Joel Mark 12.17.09 AT 1:00 PM
The Manhattan Declaration is missing.
-why do you think that?
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7. The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America votes to ordain gay and lesbian clergy who are in a committed monogamous relationship, leading a number of conservative churches —known as the Coalition for Renewal—to move toward forming a new denomination.
9. The Episcopal Church Triennial Convention votes to end a moratorium on installing gay bishops, ignoring a request from the archbishop of Canterbury. At year’s end Los Angeles chooses a lesbian, Mary Glasspool, as assistant bishop. Earlier, an elected bishop in Upper Michigan, Kevin Thew Forrester, is rejected because of his extreme liberal views.
this is the reason the Christian Community do not see these Church as being part of God’s People
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what about Dobson stepping down?
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this is the reason the Christian Community do not see these Church as being part of God’s People
And this is the reason why the “Christian Community” has been losing adherents over the past 20 years.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126101681731094729.html
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Thomas1 12.17.09 AT 1:28 PM
this is the reason the Christian Community do not see these Church as being part of God’s People
And this is the reason why the “Christian Community” has been losing adherents over the past 20 years.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126101681731094729.html
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wow because the Christian Community will not God’s Word to approve and support sin we are becoming adherents over the past 20 years.
Who would have guess this would happen? Oh wait God’s Word did.
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Religious Independents have a high belief in values like doing good, giving back to the community, and taking responsibility for our planet. They accept most of the Ten Commandments on moral, if not religious, grounds….
Seventy-two percent of Religious Independents say that living a good spiritual life depends on how you act, not what you believe — compared with only 59% of traditional followers. In other words, Religious Independents have just as strong a desire for repairing the world, even as they reject the habits and practices of religion.
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Multiple bankruptcies of Catholic dioceses due to condoning and covering up child abuse?
How about children who were killed by their parents insane belief that a god would heal them?
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Thomas1 12.17.09 AT 1:35 PM
Religious Independents have a high belief in values like doing good, giving back to the community, and taking responsibility for our planet. They accept most of the Ten Commandments on moral, if not religious, grounds….
Seventy-two percent of Religious Independents say that living a good spiritual life depends on how you act, not what you believe — compared with only 59% of traditional followers. In other words, Religious Independents have just as strong a desire for repairing the world, even as they reject the habits and practices of religion.
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short the Religious Independents reject Jesus Christ, which mean they are not getting into heaven.
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God is adding to the church daily, such as would be saved. All glory to His Holy and Loving Name!
In spite of the naysayers!
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roger patno 12.17.09 AT 1:53 PM
God is adding to the church daily, such as would be saved. All glory to His Holy and Loving Name!
In spite of the naysayers!
-amen
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Arcadia: Multiple bankruptcies of Catholic dioceses due to condoning and covering up child abuse?
How about Archbishop Dolan gloating publicly about the statute of limitations preventing even more payouts to victims?
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How about the Passing away of Rev. Farwell
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Note that none of the 10 have anything to do with entering the kingdom of God!
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roger patno 12.17.09 AT 1:57 PM
Note that none of the 10 have anything to do with entering the kingdom of God!
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that is sad but it should tell us how society views the Church
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Interesting that the death of the abortionist Tiller would have made the ‘religious’ news and the associated butchery of approximately 1 million children (in America alone, this year) by abortion did not.
And it is also interesting that Tiller was an usher in a so-called ‘main-line’ (read apostate) church – such churches, particularly Episcopalian – both leadership and some of their laity, are actively supporting infanticide, up to and including delivering a full-term healthy baby and killing her by stabbing her in the brain with a sharp object – and if that does not work, sealing her into a bag of bleach until her struggles cease.
So not only are such churches attempting to destroy marriage, but they also like to kill children. (Shades of Moloch?)
Fortunately, people are fleeing these so-called churches (synagogues of Satan) in huge numbers – now there is a religious story worth reporting.
And, of course, there are some courageous individuals who are fighting the rot from within – but too few and too late.
Pretty soon, all that will be left of the average Episcopal Church will be a priestess sacrificing to Moloch up front and a few scattered, ancient corpses in the pews, and the hiss of expiring oxygen tanks.
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drill – I am sure you are about to get called out on the carpet by little thomas for telling the truth about the Episcopalian Churches
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Pastor Roy: I did not know he was an Episcopalian. That figures.
Actually, I know some Episcopalians who are fighting the far-left satanic apostates who have seized that church; but they are generally leaving in droves, as the ship has almost made the final plunge.
It is really not a church, anymore – now it is sort of more of a Front Office for Old Scratch, himself.
But I feel sorry for the few Christian parishioners who are still left, and fighting.
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Four new families joined our synagogue of Satan last weekend. As part of their initiation, we’re holding a black mass where a voodoo doll of Drill will be offered up to Beezulbub.
So that strange stabbing sensation that he feels somewhere between the kidneys and the cockles of his cold black heart? Not the usual gas pain. Not this Sunday, anyway.
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drill why do you think he get’s so mad at me. I will not back away from the fact the Episcopalian Churches are no longer being view as part of the Christian Community.
He keep saying, he does not believe in my Word of God. The reason he supports the idea that we can rewrite God’s Word to support in. An I keep tell him that is a false teaching an we can not rewrite God’s Word to support sin.
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Drill he has returned, get in line for his anger. I can get in front of you or you can get behind me. But here comes the anger.
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Oh, and for the record Pastor Roy? I’m 6′2″ tall and weigh 183 pounds, so not exactly little, here. But thank you for what I’m sure was meant to be a compliment.
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For stats on Episcopalian decline see:
http://www.movements.net/2009/12/02/episcopal-decline-%E2%80%94-no-surprises.html
Pastor Roy: Not to worry – apostates and slanderers are part of a fallen world.
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Sigh.
In order to be angry, I would have to care first, or at least assign some value to your opinions.
I don’t. Drill has enough anger and bitter bile for 3 people. Excess bile has digestive consequenses, so you might not want to be behind him, if you know what I mean.
There are over 87 million Anglicans of one variety or another, and some have differing opinions on various issues. I don’t really care about that either.
This is why I’m not angry with you, Pastor Roy. We believe different things. The only person who’s really bothered by that is you, and I truly can’t do much about that.
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Thomas1 I hate to break it but the Anglicans are about to remove the Episcopalian from their group. Over the issue of Sin.
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The Episcopalian are losing memeber and Churches left and right.
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Here in Colorado the Episcopalian sue to take over the Episcopalian Churches in Colorado Springs, spent 2 Million dollars, now they are asking the State for help in the up keep of one of the Churches that is an Histrocal (I hope I spell that right). Because they can not afford the cost of up keep.
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Churches that is an Histrocal Building (I hope I spell that right). Because they can not afford the cost of up keep.
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Yawn. Christianity is losing people left and right. A 10% decline over the past 20 years, according to the WSJ.
My own parish is thriving – packed every Sunday, a lot of community outreach, both schools fully enrolled.
As for what the larger Anglican Communion is “about to” do, removal is not an option for a variety of reasons. Some of these have to do with polity and procedure.
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The evangelical involvement in the Uganda conference attended by John Schmierer, Evangelical Nazi-Revisionist Scott Lively, “ex-gay” therapist Caleb Lee Brundidge ans supported by organizations like Focus, and NOM, that resulted in the vigilante deaths of a number of gay people.
Using the same lies and fear-mongering posted so often by bloggers and “journalists” here, (gays are pedophiles, gays want to indoctrinate your children, gays want to destroy your family) the conference has had the further result of the drafting, and soon to be before parliament, Kill Gays bill. if passed, people like Pastor Roy would be subject to 5-7 years in prison if he did not turn in his gay brother. His brother would be subject to 25 years to life in prison, or the death penalty.
Perhaps most disgusting about all of this is that one of the participants in the conference has come out to condemn the bill not because gays and lesbians will be murdered because of this bill, but because it “may make the church look bad”.
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Duncan 12.17.09 AT 3:14 PM
The evangelical involvement in the Uganda conference attended by John Schmierer, Evangelical Nazi-Revisionist Scott Lively, “ex-gay” therapist Caleb Lee Brundidge ans supported by organizations like Focus, and NOM, that resulted in the vigilante deaths of a number of gay people.
Using the same lies and fear-mongering posted so often by bloggers and “journalists” here, (gays are pedophiles, gays want to indoctrinate your children, gays want to destroy your family) the conference has had the further result of the drafting, and soon to be before parliament, Kill Gays bill. if passed, people like Pastor Roy would be subject to 5-7 years in prison if he did not turn in his gay brother. His brother would be subject to 25 years to life in prison, or the death penalty.
Perhaps most disgusting about all of this is that one of the participants in the conference has come out to condemn the bill not because gays and lesbians will be murdered because of this bill, but because it “may make the church look bad”.
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sin is sin weather it is the sin of the gay life stlye or sin of the behavior you just wrote about. They are both sin.
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Pastor Roy, to be clear, are you endorsing the murder of gays and lesbians?
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Duncan, the Christianist right wing won’t be happy until every last gay person is exterminated. That’s why they quietly help fund things like the Kill Gays bill while retaining a politically correct front.
Rwanda is next.
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Duncan 12.17.09 AT 3:25 PM
Pastor Roy, to be clear, are you endorsing the murder of gays and lesbians?
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sin is sin weather it is the sin of the gay life stlye or sin of the behavior you just wrote about. They are both sin.
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Thomas1 12.17.09 AT 3:26 PM
Duncan, the Christianist right wing won’t be happy until every last gay person is exterminated. That’s why they quietly help fund things like the Kill Gays bill while retaining a politically correct front.
Rwanda is next.
–Wow , Thomas so much hate for Christian. I do not see anyone one here support that idea.
Unlike you who suopport the idea of rewriting God’s Word
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Pastor Roy, with all due respect, you did not answer my question. Do you endorse the Kill Gays bill?
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Thomas1,
That’s a despicable blood libel, akin to the anti-Semitic libels claiming Jews kill and eat Gentiles or harvest their organs.
Christians almost universally condemn and oppose the Ugandan anti-homosexuality law.
From Dec. 2:
http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2009/12/an-odious-law-uganda-and-homosexuality/
And you’re a repugnant human being to spread libels like these around against Christians while pretending to be one yourself.
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Duncan 12.17.09 AT 3:31 PM
Pastor Roy, with all due respect, you did not answer my question. Do you endorse the Kill Gays bill?
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No it is promoting sin, if what the bill stated in you statement is about that. Then no way would any Christian support it.
Also is not Uganda and Rwanda – Mulsim Nation ruled by Mulsim Law?
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#39: “Pretending” is the word!
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“Pastor Roy, with all due respect, you did not answer my question. Do you endorse the Kill Gays bill?”
Yes he did answer your question.
Although he shouldn’t have to since his statement that both homosexuality and the “Kill Gays bill” are sin is clear enough for anyone whose eyes aren’t so blinded with anti-Christan bile to understand.
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David L, you really didn’t think I’d make that statement without backup, did you?
Christians almost universally condemn and oppose the Ugandan anti-homosexuality law.
Gotta love that caveat!
Aside from endorsing Uganda’s “kill gays” bill, Mr. Pleasant Preacher wants to send all homos to California and put a 30-foot electrified fence around the state. A “queerantine,” he calls it.
http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2009/12/queerantine.html
Here’s how “The Family” Christianist organization / cult is funding the Kill Gays bill: http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/11/25/16913
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David L
Unfortunately most of the “christian” organization remained mute about the proposed bill until forced to make a statement, and many of the statements have been tepid at best. Rick Warren’s original statement was that he didn’t get involved in the politics of other nations. Only after pressure did he release a statement condemning the proposed bill. Now THAT’S repugnant.
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Thomas1 – again using far left web sites
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Thomas1, you don’t really think I care what some noname blogger has to say, do you? Likewise, what do I care about a bunch of fringe self-styled Christians I never heard of?
Anyone so-called “Christian” who supports that law is just as much in sin and rebellion against God as the so-called “Christian” who defends sodomy, abortion and bearing false witness are.
It’s a vile blood libel, and you’re repugnant for spreading it. Repent of the malice in your heart.
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Ken, I’m sure you’ll understand that it can be a little difficult to be “pro-christian” about the people who preach lies about you and want to murder you. That may not be you, or Pastor Roy, but it certainly is true of the christian organizations that participated in the conference that was the genesis of the bill.
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Duncan 12.17.09 AT 3:50 PM
Ken, I’m sure you’ll understand that it can be a little difficult to be “pro-christian” about the people who preach lies about you and want to murder you. That may not be you, or Pastor Roy, but it certainly is true of the christian organizations that participated in the conference that was the genesis of the bill.
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What lies? That God’s Word say the gay life stlye is a sin? what christian organizations ?
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So David L, you’re saying that the Christians who support killing gays aren’t real Christians? They’re some sort of artificial fringe-y Christians?
They would surely say the same of you, with evangelical fervor. Who’s right? Which Sneetches have the stars upon thars?
I do have malice in my heart for those who think that murdering gay people for being gay is somehow a Christian thing to do. I do not repent of it. You should repent if you don’t share this view.
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Duncan,
You don’t claim to be a Christian, do you?
I assume you have some kind of proof for the statements you made? Why not share it with the rest of us?
Unfortunately most of the “christian” organization remained mute about the proposed bill until forced to make a statement, and many of the statements have been tepid at best. Rick Warren’s original statement was that he didn’t get involved in the politics of other nations. Only after pressure did he release a statement condemning the proposed bill.
I never heard of this law until I saw the First Things blog post I cited above. Perhaps some people were silent early on because they weren’t aware of it? I wasn’t.
Where’s the source for your story about Rick Warren (whom I’ve never cared for, anyway)?
Can I have a list of these supposed organizations that remained mute? Who “forced” them to make a statement, and how?
Can you provide their supposedly “tepid” responses for us to examine?
If not, I don’t believe a word of what you say.
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Here’s a link to transcript of an interview deliniating the support of The Family for the Ugandan bill:
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2009/11/25/132255/09
Let’s get back to our interview with Jeff Sharlet, the author of the bestseller ?The Family,? about the secretive fundamentalist group that promotes its anti-abortion, anti-gay, pro-free market ideas with the help of several Congressman and Senators who are connected to the group, including John Ensign, Bart Stupak, Joe Pitts, James Inhofe, Tom Coburn, Charles Grassley and Zach Wamp. The Family is active in America and around the world.
Let’s talk about The Family’s connection to Uganda, where there’s, really, a draconian anti-gay bill that has been introduced into parliament. Uganda already punishes the practice of homosexuality with life in prison. What would the new legislation do?
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“I do have malice in my heart for those who think that murdering gay people for being gay is somehow a Christian thing to do. I do not repent of it.”
“Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice…” (Eph. 4:31)
“But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.” (Col. 3:8)
“Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work, To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men. For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.” (Titus 3:1-3)
“Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings, As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby: If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.” (1 Peter 2:1-3)
“But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you…” (Matt. 5:44)
“Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good…” (Romans 12:21)
“See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men.” (I Thess. 5:15)
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who is Jeff Sharlet? Is he one of the pro-gay writer? talk2action what type of show is this? A pro-gay show? a far left radio show?
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David L. 12.17.09 AT 4:04 PM
“I do have malice in my heart for those who think that murdering gay people for being gay is somehow a Christian thing to do. I do not repent of it.”
“Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice…” (Eph. 4:31)
“But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.” (Col. 3:8)
“Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work, To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men. For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.” (Titus 3:1-3)
“Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings, As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby: If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.” (1 Peter 2:1-3)
“But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you…” (Matt. 5:44)
“Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good…” (Romans 12:21)
“See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men.” (I Thess. 5:15)
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amen
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Can you provide their supposedly “tepid” responses for us to examine?
No problem, David. This Christian who is working in Uganda agrees with Duncan and me.
http://blog.sojo.net/2009/12/11/where-are-the-other-christian-voices-against-ugandas-anti-homosexuality-bill/
As a career missionary to Africa, I fear what would happen to me on judgment day if I didn’t speak out against what is happening in Uganda right now in the name of Christ. I was in the middle of typing my monthly newsletter when I decided to check my e-mail. The subject line read, “Pastor Rick Warren condemns Uganda anti-homosexuality bill.” Hurray for Rick Warren, but my question is where’s everyone else? Christian Right leaders in the U.S. are constantly griping that the media portray them as bigoted toward homosexuals. Well Mr. Dobson and Mr. Sekulow, now would be a perfect time to prove them wrong. I’m still waiting for my urgent action e-mail.
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thomas question is this person pro-gay?
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Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. (Matthew 23:23,)
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Thomas1,
That’s not a response to my question.
Show me the “tepid” responses themselves.
Better–far, far better–yet, show me a Christian I’ve actually heard of who supports this law. I have never in my life heard of “The Family” or anyone you’ve been going on and on about in this thread.
You try to present yourself as having a modicum of intelligence, but even a freshman in college (usually) knows that it’s not logical to draw broad inferences from a minute set of data. In other words, what you’re doing is called “over-generalizing.” You can’t blame “Christians” for what a tiny number of unheard-of stooges do in the privacy of their conference rooms any more than I can blame you personally for all the slime liberals have been guilty of spreading for that past 30 years.
Or can I? Which picture is you in this gallery?
http://zombietime.com/hall_of_shame/
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56 – Pastor Roy, I think he doesn’t want them murdered in the name of Christ. I suppose that answers your question.
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Earth to Thomas1, re: 57.
I don’t support the bill in Uganda… d’uh! Nor does anyone I am aware of.
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#35 – “the Christianist right wing won’t be happy until every last gay person is exterminated.”
Actually, we are happy already. I for one am even happy that you, Thomas, have the freedom to say extremely irresponsible, dishonest and hateful things like you did without the slightest fear of being punished.
What we actually want is for sinners to repent of their sins and, through God’s amazing grace, live forever.
I have been out of town (busy being happy, by the way). I never heard of a “kill gays bill.” I would appreciate if a reliable poster can explain it. But it seems to me that some leftist hate-bloggers above just want to be angry and vindictive to Christians in general and they somehow think this alleged bill somehow justifies their hateful prejudices.
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Thomas1 12.17.09 AT 4:15 PM
Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. (Matthew 23:23,)
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sorry this passage was for what purpose?
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Thomas1 12.17.09 AT 4:16 PM
56 – Pastor Roy, I think he doesn’t want them murdered in the name of Christ. I suppose that answers your question.
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No is he pro-gay?
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Well, David, I think it’s great that you don’t support it. But just because you’re unaware of those who do doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
U.S. Christian Right also mobilizes African clerics in U.S. “culture war” over ordination of LGBT clergy
Sexual minorities in Africa have become collateral damage to our domestic conflicts and culture wars as U.S. conservative evangelicals and those opposing gay pastors and bishops within mainline Protestant denominations woo Africans in their American fight, a groundbreaking investigation by Political Research Associates (PRA) has discovered.
Globalizing the Culture Wars: U.S. Conservatives, African Churches, and Homophobia, a new report by the Rev. Kapya Kaoma, PRA Project Director, exposes the U.S. Right’s promotion of an agenda in Africa that aims to criminalize homosexuality and otherwise infringe upon the human rights of LGBT people while also mobilizing African clerics in U.S. culture war battles. U.S. social conservatives, who are in the minority in mainline churches, depend on African religious leaders to legitimize their positions as their growing numbers makes African Christians more influential globally.
The investigation’s release could not be timelier, as the Ugandan parliament considers the Anti-Homosexuality Bill of 2009. Language in that bill echoes the false and malicious charges made in Uganda by U.S antigay activist and Holocaust revisionist Scott Lively that western gays are conspiring to take over Uganda and even the world.
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I see Thomas1 and company are engaged in their usual favorite activity – slander and lies.
So, using their technique of slander, one could say (equivalent to their attempt to tie Christians here to the Ugandan(?) law against homosexualists) that all homosexualists – like themselves – are pederasts and child-abusers, since there are homosexualist groups that push for and engage in those sort of obscenities.
Of course, the difference is that those perverted groups thrive right here in the good old USA and are actively and enthusiastically supported by the homosexualist community, which includes Thomas1 and company.
So that sort of tie-in, based on actual facts, would actually be quite a bit less slanderous than the Ugandan stretch they make; in fact, it would seem that it would be edging very close to the truth.
Hmmm . . .
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Thomas1 12.17.09 AT 4:15 PM
Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. (Matthew 23:23,)
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since you brought this passage up, Jesus is dealing with teachers of the law and Pharisees, who were rewriting God ’s Law and the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness that is found here dealth with the Old Testament Law that they were not following.
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Pastor Roy, Rwanda today cannot be called a “Muslim Country” (though it includes about 5% Muslims). Actually, peace and prosperity have been slowly on the increase there for the last ten to fifteen years, and much of this is due to a healthy Christian influence. I know some great missionaries serving there now, with friendly cooperation from officials.
The Christian “brand,” however, took a hit in some eyes during the genocide years but that had nothing at all to do with anything remotely Christian in reality or in meaning. It is common for murderers to also be liars and do their evil in the falaciously adopted good name of anything that might give them cover.
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Joel, the truth sometimes hurts.
As to whether the Christian missionary I linked to at 55 is “pro-gay”, whatever that means, I don’t know. There’s nothing on the site or in the article one way or the other.
And, it doesn’t matter. He’s right.
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#4, Pastor Roy asked; “why do you think that?”
Perhaps I am confused. Are you familiar with the “Manhattan Declaration?” It was left off the list above and it should have been big news, it seems to me. Help me out, Pastor Roy, why are you asking why?
I did not comment much on it because there were other threads related to the “Manhattan Declaration.”
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Wow, Thomas1, the “Political Research Associates” has “discovered” a creepy conspiracy by the nebulous “U.S. Christian Right” to engage in freedom of speech.
Shocking. Film at 11.
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Via Wikipedia:
“PRA studies the U.S. political right wing, as well as white supremacists, and paramilitary organizations. It has a full-time staff of six.”
Hehehehehe…
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More from Wikipedia:
“PRA is supported by a number of progressive and liberal activists…”
Now, there’s a shocking revelation…
“Stanley Kurtz of the conservative magazine National Review described PRA’s researchers as “conspiracy mongers” for a 1994 report on the religious right, and claims that PRA used guilt by association techniques to associate conservative Christians with theocratic Dominionism.”
Apparently, they’re just up to their usual tricks here.
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DUncan wrote; “Unfortunately most of the “christian” organization remained mute about the proposed bill…”
Life is too too short to spend it responding to all the incredible nonsense that can find the light of day in this world. Real Christians know that there is more to life than politics. Politics is not our religion. Our main focus is helping to point people to the gospel and to eternity. But we do care about politics and perhaps this issue is worth commenting on. I don’t know. But it sounds like Duncan wants to use some perceived allegeation of silence by innocent people to justify blaming them for alleged nonsense done or proposed by others.
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Anyone who wants to hate Christians can find reasons to make them feel justified in their hatred and blame.
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David L,
The organizations involved in the conference:
Exodus International
Watchmen on the Walls
International Healing Foundation
Family Life Network
Calls for the organizations to denounce the draconian measures being considered in Uganda began on March 12, 2009.
On April 20 Alan Chambers releases a statement calling the developments is Uganda a “ruckus”
By the end of April tabloid newspapers were “outing” people to be targeted by vigilantes
October 15, the text of the bill is published
Crickets
Crickets
November 16, Exodus: “While we do not believe that homosexual behavior is what God intended for individuals, we believe that deprivation of life and liberty is not an appropriate or helpful response to this issue.”
November 20: The Family’s financial support of those behind the bill is revealed.
November 28: Scott Lively tries to blame “foreign homosexuals” for Uganda’s Kill Gays bill
Novemebr 30 Rick Warren: “It is not my personal calling as a pastor in America to comment or interfere in the political process of other nations,” he told Newsweek. He took the same position on NBC’s Meet the Press: “As a pastor, my job is to encourage, to support. I never take sides.”
December 5: After being called out by Rachel Maddow, John Schmierer finally issues a statement, 4 paragraphs excusing his participation in the conference, 1 paragraph denouncing the bill
December 6: David Chotka of the College of Prayer hopes that a similar bill to Uganda’s can be introduced in Canada.
December 9: 200 Ugandan Church leaders meet ot endorse the Kill Gays bill
December 10: Rick Warren releases a video condemning the bill
December 11 Scott Lively: “If the offending sections were sufficiently modified, the proposed law would represent an encouraging step in the right direction. As one of the first laws of this century to recognize that the destructiveness of the “gay” agenda warrants opposition by government, it would deserve support from Christian believers and other advocates of marriage-based culture around the world.”
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Thomas1 – Political Research Associates (PRA) is this group a pro-gay or a far left group? the reason these group love to twsit the news to make Christian look bad.
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Thank you, Duncan. Well done.
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Joel Mark – I just to get your view why the Manhattan Declaration wazs not part of the list.
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Duncan where did you get that information?
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Duncan,
I’ll look at this more later on, but for the time being:
Rick Warren said: It is not my personal calling as a pastor in America to comment or interfere in the political process of other nations,” he told Newsweek. He took the same position on NBC’s Meet the Press: “As a pastor, my job is to encourage, to support. I never take sides.
As I said, I’ve never been a fan of this guy’s. This statement is absolutely spineless, and he clearly doesn’t understand the New Testament calling of overseer if he really thinks that pastor’s don’t “take sides.”
BUT, he did condemn the bill. He doesn’t support it.
Furthermore, all you’ve done is mention like 3 or 4 individuals who actually want this bill passed.
Can you see how illogical it is to generalize what these 3 or 4 individuals say to the world’s largest religion as a whole?
If not, you’re clearly beyond reasoning with, although you might start singing a different tune if I try to generalize what 3 or 4 “unbalanced” liberal individuals think to the entire Democratic Party.
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Pastor Roy;
There are a number of different sources; Time Magazine, Rick Warren’s video is up on YouTube, Google, Wiki, etc.
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Thomas, at #68, I have no idea what you are responding to or talking about. You addressed me, so what “truth” are you talking about? I for one can rejoice in truth whether it hurts or not. So far, it sounds like you just want to blame and excoriate people here who actually agree with you about this alleged bill. But this alleged distant proposed bill in Uganda is a red herring with regard to anything we have discussed on this thread (typical strategy for people who don’t have an actual agrument to bring to the table).
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Thomas1,
You wrote, “Well, David, I think it’s great that you don’t support it. But just because you’re unaware of those who do doesn’t mean they don’t exist.”
But that wasn’t your point.
What you said was, “the Christianist right wing won’t be happy until every last gay person is exterminated.”
The evidence gives no warrant for the conclusion. You seem to be the imbalanced one around here.
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Duncan – thank you as for Rick Warren I have found about 50% of Christian like him and 50% do no care for him.
I my self do not like some of his teaching of Church Growth.
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David L. – in thomas view any Christian who believe that the GLTB Community are living in sin are evil.
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David L;
At no time did I suggest that all evangelicals are or should be painted with the same brush as the three that attended the conference, however, organizations such as Exodus, and Scott Lively have been used by both the authors of articles on this site and by other bloggers as providing credible information and in one case “empirical” information.
For the record, I am glad that most of the posters on here have expressed dismay at this bill, but it doesn’t change the fact that organizations with some very deep evangelical roots bear a pretty big chunk of responsibility for the existence of this bill.
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One of the top religious stories of 2009-
1. December 2009 by Don Graham, Baptist Press
RICHMOND, Va. — “You could be killed for talking about Jesus around here.”
That’s what a Muslim named Bershi* told missionary Luke Jenkins* after Jenkins shared the gospel with him.
Bershi was an illegal immigrant looking for work when he came to the Central Asian nation where Jenkins serves as a church planter. But his warning didn’t stop Jenkins. He continued to discuss Jesus with Bershi, and as the young man’s interest grew, they began studying the Bible together. Eventually Bershi gave his life to Christ and was baptized.
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Bershi’s baptism is among the more than 506,000 recorded by the International Mission Board in 2008 — an average of one baptism per minute. Southern Baptist missionaries and their partners also reported starting more than 24,650 new churches last year. (Baptisms were 10.6 percent below the 2007 total; new churches, 8.6 percent below.) Meanwhile, the total number of overseas churches topped 204,000, up from 111,000 just five years ago.
The IMB also reported engaging 93 new people groups with the gospel for the first time.
The numbers are evidence of the way God is continuing to use Southern Baptists to complete the Great Commission task.
* names changed
http://www.biblicalrecorder.org/post/2009/12/01/IMB-reports-500000-baptisms-in-e2809908.aspx
A couple of good stories in this link. This month the SBC is having the Lottie Moon Christmas offering for missions.
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The top religious story:
1. President Obama pledges a new beginning in Muslim-U.S. relations and reaches out to the world’s Muslims during a major speech at Cairo University.
This was deeply disingenuous. Shame on Obama for his willful dishonesty. There was NOTHING “new” about attempts by Presidents and countless others to improve u.S.-Muslim relations and reach out to them in multiple ways. Obama was just trying to manufacture a utopian and salvific role for himself in the eyes of ignorant people.
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And all Obama has done in this allegedly new “attempt” to reach out to Muslims, is talk and give speeches. His actual policies have been much the same, by and large, as that of President Bush.
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Duncan do they support the preseent bill in it’s form or did their support of the bill before it was change to what we have now?
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Pastor Roy,
I don’t think the state-controled media want the “Manhattan Declaration” to see the light of day or become known. Their selective prejudices against genuine Christianity are at work in minimizing the Manhattan Decl (which should have been #1 above). The media just hate it when Christians attempt to speak for themselves rather than just letting them speak for us.
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Joel Mark – I agree an it is only going to get worst as we see our nation and the world fall under the control of sin and the anti-christ
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Pastor Roy,
There hasn’t been any other form of the bill but as it stands. Hopefully with international pressure it will be changed before it goes before the Ugandan Parliament. Perhaps the pressure to change the bill is where evangelicals such as yourself can be most effective.
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Let’s see; Anyone know how many Evangelical pastors/ministers there are worldwide?
And three(?) who would shame the name of Evangelical would be what percentage of that? I would wager less than the percentage of Christian bashers on this website. I could be wrong of course! But I don’t think so.
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I do agree that three is three to many.
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Duncan 12.17.09 AT 5:20 PM
Pastor Roy,
There hasn’t been any other form of the bill but as it stands. Hopefully with international pressure it will be changed before it goes before the Ugandan Parliament. Perhaps the pressure to change the bill is where evangelicals such as yourself can be most effective.
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All bills seem to start out one way and by the time it passage it has changed.
So I am left wondering if the Christian Support the bill in one form but as it may it’s way through their legaly process it chaanged.
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Duncan, if any people, homosexual or otherwise, were subjected to vigilante deaths, then the guilty murderers should be sought, stopped, tried and convicted. They should be condemned. Any law that justifies murder should be condemned, regardless of the sex-preferences of the victim.
But that should not be made into a pretext for condemning innocent people or organizations or conferences who do not condone such things whatsoever. I don’t trust such smear tactics. I wait to let organizations and people speak for themselves before being judgmental. I think you are trying to use some isolated red-herring alleged tragedy to smear innocent organizations and conferences that you don’t like.
Duncan wrote; “Using the same lies and fear-mongering posted so often by bloggers and “journalists” here, (gays are pedophiles, gays want to indoctrinate your children, gays want to destroy your family) the conference has had the further result of the drafting, and soon to be before parliament, Kill Gays bill.”
Duncan, you are also smearing people on this blog too? Your inuendos and allegations are irresponsible and hateful. What postings are you referring to? How did they lie? Explain. In actual FACT, some homosexuals are indeed pedophiles (but not all). Some actually do indoctrinate children (Obama’s “Safe-School Czar,” Jennings, may have been one such person, but not all homosexuals do this).
In what specific way did the alleged conference cause the proposed legislation? Just because you engage in smear, does not mean others are guilty. Maybe no one at the conference has condemned the alleged bill because noe of them have anything whatsoever to do with it.
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it made it’s way through their legaly process it chaanged.
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Interesting (some facts from http://trinitypastor.wordpress.com/2009/10/20/episcopal-decline-and-cultural-engagement/):
In the past four years the Episcopal Church has lost 226,941 active members.
The Episcopal Church is currently declining at the rate of 11% over the past ten years. The rate of decline has increased by 1% every year since 2004. This of course means that the rate of decline in the Episcopal Church is accelerating every year.
A shocking 43% of Episcopal congregations reported a 10% or above decrease in active membership over five years. In four years the average Sunday attendance in the Episcopal Church declined by 117,760 worshipers.
Projections: By 2024 the median average Sunday attendance will have dropped to 34.
By 2048 the average Sunday attendance will have dropped to around 19.
By 2066 the Sunday worship in an Episcopal Church will have dropped to the size of a small group (about eight).
By contrast, Southern Baptist has been holding steady and Pentecostal denominations growing in the same time.
Man. So, when you go in the average liberal Episcopal church and smell something decaying and fetid, you just gotta ask yourself – is it just the woodwork – or is it the congregation?
Stats seem to indicate that it is the congregation.
Maybe Thomas1’s idea about voodoo is not so bad – embracing voodoo could rejuvenate the Episcopalians; it would not be such a big course correction from the direction they are already heading, either.
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drill – that does not address the money they have losted or the church building they are losing. Or the fact they very well may be asked to leave the Anglican Community.
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Joel Mark
Thanks for weighing in. I believe that you are reasonable intelligent, so before we engage in any discussion of this issue, I’d like to invite you to spend some time actually researching the conference, the aftermath and the bill. At that time, i will be more than happy to discuss it further.
As for smearing people on this blog, I have done no such thing, bloggers on here have posted half-truths and lies taken directly from web sites such a Exodus. In fact Lynn Vincent quoted research that had been entirely refuted and debunked from the Exodus site and presented it as empirical. That’s not a smear, that is a fact.
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Duncan – a driect question – do you support the idea that God supports the gay life stlye?
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what bloggers on here have posted half-truths and lies taken directly from web sites such a Exodus?
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duncan do you call your self a Christian? The reason for some of these question I am trying to get an understand of who you are.
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Pastor Roy;
As a gay man, legally married to another, and raising two adopted children, I believe that I am how God intended, for whatever reason, me to be.
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Duncan 12.17.09 AT 5:38 PM
Pastor Roy;
As a gay man, legally married to another, and raising two adopted children, I believe that I am how God intended, for whatever reason, me to be.
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thank you
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Or maybe the leftist Episcopalian churches could hook up with abortion clinics.
Why, they could offer free abortions (make the sanctuary a sort of dual-use space, you know), just like other churches operate soup kitchens or offer free medical services.
Just remember to take the buckets full of the pieces of children and related gore out back, to the dumpster, before ’services’ begin, of course.
After all, leftist Episcopalian churches and abortion clinics have just about the same interests (and much of the same membership) already.
So it could be considered a sort of outreach program for them.
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Pastor Roy;
You’re welcome. Have things to do, so must sign off… enjoy the balance of your day.
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Duncan 12.17.09 AT 5:44 PM
Pastor Roy;
You’re welcome. Have things to do, so must sign off… enjoy the balance of your day.
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enjoyable debate
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The top news story is the same as the one that’s been the top news story for a couple of thousand years:
God does not arrive; thousands of people dismayed by mortality still waiting for him to arrive.
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drill 12.17.09 AT 5:44 PM
Or maybe the leftist Episcopalian churches could hook up with abortion clinics.
Why, they could offer free abortions (make the sanctuary a sort of dual-use space, you know), just like other churches operate soup kitchens or offer free medical services.
Just remember to take the buckets full of the pieces of children and related gore out back, to the dumpster, before ’services’ begin, of course.
After all, leftist Episcopalian churches and abortion clinics have just about the same interests (and much of the same membership) already.
So it could be considered a sort of outreach program for them.
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They could alway join up with Rev. Wright Church.
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Alright. I waited to post on this until I had done a bit of investigating. Here is Randy Thomas on Exodus International on Oct. 19th.
<a href="http://blog.exodusinternational.org/2009/10/19/ugandan-government-poised-to-harshly-prosecute-homosexuals/"Ugandan Government Poised to Harshly Prosecute Homosexuals
Here is part of it:
The Ugandan government is seeking to further stigmatize and criminalize (to death or extreme punishment) people who deal with homosexuality. It seems that the government has no respect for freedom. Especially as it pertains to free will or self-determination on what a person does with their own same sex attractions. This sweeping, hateful, public policy being promoted threatens anyone struggling with same sex attractions, and their loved ones, with death or imprisonment.
I left the following message on Throckmorton’s blog five days ago:
So he already expressed his opposition publicly on October 14th shortly after the bill was tabled in the Ugandan legislature.
Here is what Don Schmierer said to him, in the same post.
What this David Bahati is introducing does not reflect the Ugandans that I have ministered too. The only place where I have run into this thinking is from some former Russian hardliners and that was only a very small percentage of the participants attending my seminars. After some challenges from me (except for one person) they softened up and came around to a more redemptive position.
More to come.
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Oops, here is the link:
Ugandan Government Poised to Harshly Prosecute Homosexuals
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Matt Y. thank you
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http://wthrockmorton.com/2009/12/16/the-fellowship-aka-the-family-opposes-uganda%e2%80%99s-anti-homosexuality-bill-guest-post-by-jeff-sharlet/
This is a guest post on a blog belonging to Warren Throckmorton, another evangelical who has been opposing the bill. The author of the post? Jeff Sharlet, who wrote that book on the Family. His article shows that the Family opposes the bill, and in fact has been quietly pushing against it.
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Matt Y – when they talk about the Family are they talking about Focus on the Family?
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Here are two posts by Randy Thomas highlighting homophobia in other parts of the world.
Iraqi men tortured and murdered
Praying for ssa individuals in the Muslim world
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No, I don’t have time to explain but read the links. Gotta run.
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Duncan wrote; “…bloggers on here have posted half-truths and lies taken directly from web sites such a Exodus.”
What bloggers? What half-truths and lies? Lynn Vincent is fully reliable and I have never known her to post a half-truth or lie. You are just accusing and I call such accusations smears.
I let groups like Exodus International speak for themselves and it is clear that they have nothing to do with this alleged bill. Don’t smear innocent organizations, Duncan.
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Pastor Roy #116
I think ‘the Family’ refers to the C Street crowd. They were the cover story on World Mag a couple of months ago.
I just heard about the Ugandan bill today–on NPR I think it was. It sounds like a modern day inquisition to me. I can’t think that Christians will support it, except maybe a few on the fringes. If some insist on thinking that this is indicative of the way most Bible believing Christians feel, then they’re free to pretend. But they shouldn’t expect to be taken too seriously.
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Interesting: To see the Episcopalian leadership’s take on ripping a child out of the womb and murdering it (’abortion is a blessing’), see
abortionhttp://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09040205.html
These people are creepy and evil.
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fwiw
Pastor Roy: Jeff Sharlet is a rather well-respected journalist working in the field of religion. His blog is The Revealer. I realize that his not being an evangelical (I’m not especially sure he’s even a Christian) will cause you to be wary. Understood.
For his impact, look up his book The Family, on Amazon. You’ll find the reviews are from the majors (NYT, New Yorker; significant other authors like Rick Pearlstein, of Nixonland). As to the book, it explores the impact of an important “no-name” para-church ministry in Washington DC. This group is the origin of the National Prayer Breakfast, has Bible studies for legislators (Sen. Hillary Clinton took part, btw), and of course provides networking. Oh, and the C Street house of dubious distinction (see Sen Ensign, Gov Sanford). Political liberals see this group with darker, more paranoid eyes; conservatives and evangelicals are more accommodating.
Myself, I take Sharlet’s work with a grain of salt, but he is still a significant cultural figure in the Boston-Washington corridor.
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Was the Manhattan Declaration missed? I thought so, as well. But it did come late, and its impact is yet to be seen — I would probably look forward to it being significant in 2010, all the more if the Catholic church in fact shuts down its social programs in WA DC.
What’s not clear for the moment, is how deep the Declaration will reach into the evangelical academic/leadership community. In November, at least, it was a case of conservative Catholics and basically the same old Christian right folks of yesteryear, so no biggie, and not really a major story.
But as I said, all that could change.
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Hard to know what is going on here. Worldmagblog is such a coherent web site. I think evangelical Christians are going on record against homosexuals being executed in Africa. Is this the big news story everyone is talking about?
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Harris,
The Manhattan Decl came late but certainly not too late. By rights, it ought to have already been given far more attention than it is now being given. It is still being largely ignored. The problem is that the media and the intellectual elites have closed and narrow minds. They select who should be heard and how it should be presented in the world of faith-reporting. They don’t report faith-related news, they seek only to make and shape it.
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Harris 12.17.09 AT 11:24 PM
fwiw
Pastor Roy: Jeff Sharlet is a rather well-respected journalist working in the field of religion. His blog is The Revealer. I realize that his not being an evangelical (I’m not especially sure he’s even a Christian) will cause you to be wary. Understood.
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thank you for the information
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Joel — I don’t know that the Manhattan Declaration is being ignored because of media bias. It did come out on the equivalent of a Friday, i.e. right before Thanksgiving; then we had the Obama speeches and Copenhagen, oh, and that small matter of health care. Large stories like these tend to suck the air out of events like the MD.
As the list of evangelical signatories has grown, the MD is showing signs that it may indeed be significant. That’s why it is likely to be a bigger story in 2010. Also, I think the significance of the MD will depend on the actions it engenders. If, say, there were some concerted action that would of course raise its visibility and significance.
Thus, it may be that this is a Gettysburg Address sort of event: at the time not especially seen as important, but with the passage of time seen as crucial.
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Harris
what about Dobson stepping down from the Radio Program as Focus?
or the death of Farwell?
These two issue hit home with the Christian Community.
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Pastor Roy, don’t you mean the white Christain Community?
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kwatson 12.18.09 AT 11:20 AM
Pastor Roy, don’t you mean the white Christain Community?
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now that was not a good thing to say. There is no white or black or other racies in the Christian Community.
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Dobson and Farwell reached out to all people
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Harris wrote; “then we had the Obama speeches and Copenhagen…”
This thread is about “religion journalists.” They are smarter than I thought if they do indeed regard Obama speeches and a climate control conference as “religion” news.
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Harris wrote; “….oh, and that small matter of health care.”
Again, we are talking about top “religion” stories.
Harris, your analogy with the Gettysburg Address (”sort of event”) was insightful. And I appreciate your thoughts (not that either of us is actually claiming the MD is equal to the Gettysburg Address, but I knew what you meant). We just differ respectfully on the extent of how clear the bias is.
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Pastor Roy — I think there is certainly merit for the Falwell’s death being an important story, if only for the accomplishments of his career. Dobson? Not so much. I mean retirements are not really news when the organization continues.
It may be that the ongoing strength of the Christian engagement in politics (see Manhattan Declaration), curiously makes their departures seem less significance. The battle continues, so we can’t really see them as an end of an era (a common narrative type).
And then, remember that the RNS represents a number of journalists with mainline affiliations — that public policy lens and its bias certainly seems to be at work here.
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What is amazing and appalling about this list is that there is not one single story about a church, person of faith or otherwise religiously connected organization going into the world and ministering to people.
How sad is the state of religious journalists?
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Coyote, see my #87.
Though I’ll have to admit that it came from a Baptist paper. I submit that that is really the significant news of the year.
It also points out the triviality of the MSM. They are concerned with Tiger Woods. If he had a Bible on him when he was found, that would have been a significant religious news story.
How sad is the state of religious journalists??????????
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Coyoteblue, churches and Christians spend nearly all of their time, energy and money going into the world and ministering to people, while the journalists avert their gaze. If the list included 100 stories, this would probably still be ignored. What journalists see are only that which connects with a race-gender-class-sexualist-or political agenda.
Again, the media don’t tend to report faith-related news, they seek more to make and shape it, or exploit it for secular/political purposes.
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Nidal Hasan: “devout”
Roeder: “radical”
#1 religious news story of 2009: The remaking of the American language.
(Don’t mistake what I’m saying–Roeder was a radical. So is Hasan. Radical, terrorist, murderer–anything but “devout” or man of “faith”.)
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