Animal rights and moral absolutes
Roger Scruton, the George Will of England, offers up a lively book review essay of Why Animal Suffering Matters by Andrew Linzey.
Scruton agrees with Linzey that animal suffering is a significant ethical concern: “Linzey does not really tell us why animal suffering matters; nor does he need to – it matters because it is suffering.”
But Scruton points out that Linzey offers no ground for the moral question of animal suffering:
“For Linzey there are moral absolutes which cannot be qualified by calculation…But whence comes this absolute force? Linzey does not tell us. Like [Peter] Singer, he has no clear metaphysical position concerning the nature of human beings and the distinction between moral agents and others.”
Scruton thinks Linzey fails to live up to promise of answering the “why” of animal suffering. Furthermore, as Linzey pushes forward his concern for animals without having a metaphysical grounding, the practical outworking of his concerns become confusing and oppressive. Scruton writes:
“…when you keep a domestic ca, which is very likely to kill mice and birds…in both cases, a human is responsible for animal suffering. But it is another question whether this responsibility imputes any measure of moral guilt.”
Scruton concludes:
“He [Linzey] is right to want to protect animals from people. But people also need to be protected from people, not least from the prigs and puritans who dislike their way of life.”
Animal rights issues are a recurring topic of conversation in our modern life. Roger Scruton’s review brings clarity to the topic.

















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Roger Scruton says that Linzey makes no distinction between the life of vermin (rats, mice) and the obligation of those who produce food to provide disease-free products.
This may be true, but Scruton seems incapable of making it also.
Scruton also says that animals can’t comprehend the injustice of their suffering and make no moral claims of their own (on human society).
Well, he’s never nuetered a kitten or put an elderly dog out of its misery, then. That, or he’s not very perceptive – and it is therefore clear Linzey’s shot found its mark.
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If you cannot generate moral outrage over the deaths of innocent unborn babies, then I doubt you’ll spend sleepless nights fretting about what are after all lesser creatures: rodents, insects, felines
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Sawgunner, are you suggesting that’s what Scruton is doing?
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I have often pondered these questions. I spent 4-5 yrs working at a county SPCA, the last 1-2 as an Animal Cruelty Investigator. I’ve seen some pretty bad stuff, and when possible prosecuted it to the extent the law allowed. I’m happy to say that record of prosecution was perfect. I believe that people have a responsibility to their domesticated and kept wild animals. Some people simply needed proper education about care of animals, and responsibilities of ownership, and not prosecution.
That’s domesticated animals. Now as to the rest, they should be handled like any other resource. Well managed, not neglected or abused. I don’t believe in experimenting on them either. However the idea of giving them rights on par with humans is silly. They can be looked after just fine with basic laws of responsibility, where the owner is held accountable for their treatment. We have laws against abusing them, and those are good enough when used. They are not our equals however, and the idea that they might be, or deserve to be treated as equals is ridicules.
In my time in this line of work, I’ve met animals rights people of all sorts. Most are good, decent enough folks. But the hardcore ones are out there. You pick them out pretty quick. And I’ve also noticed, at least in my own experience, that the ones into animal rights are usually pro-abortion. With some even thinking we should trim our own population with abortion and mass distribution of contraceptives, rather than have animals harmed by our growing population and it’s need for space. They see no contradiction or irony in this stand. It makes them hard to reason with on both counts.
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AJ, I agree with virtually everything you said at (4). I would only add that animals we eat are entitled to decent living conditions (cleanliness produces better food) and a quick, merciful end to their life.
I’ve seen some awful stuff – chickens crammed in filthy pens, cows slaughtered with multiple hits from a sledgehammer, etc. That shouldn’t be allowed, as it’s unnecessary, bad for the animals, and ultimately bad for us.
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Spiritual people sure do have nice pets! But in the end, love of animals never takes the place of a love for God.
I wrote a post called, “I’m not religious, but I’m sure not spiritual either.”
It’s here:
http://redletterbelievers.blogspot.com/2010/01/im-not-religious-but-im-certainly-not.html
David, Red Letter Believers blog,www.redletterbelievers.com
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Has Rupzip ever made a post here in World where he did not plug his own blog?
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Monty (#7), actually, no.
Thomas, AJ, good points from both of you.
(I was behind a car once that — I kid you not — had a bumper sticker touting vegetarianism and not killing animals and another one with a popular ‘pro-choice’ slogan.)
Christians should take seriously the call to humanely exercise their dominion over creation. Animal life is not equal in worth to human life. But animals are creatures that feel pain and are, for the most part, at our mercy (or, too often, lack of it).
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Donna,
Always good to see you !
I also agree with what you wrote.
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#7 To my knowledge no.
Which reminds me where is the Yard Safety Accident guy? He did the same with his posts
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#4 Real AJ, the proAnimal/proAbort dichotomy is what I suspected.
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Thomas,
Finally something we agree on!!! And I would add that I agree with what you added in #5.
Sawgunner,
I’d forgotten all about him. What was his name? I can’t remember. But I do remember his super hero outfit and insistence on mowing your yard safely. But what was his name?…….
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Rick was part of his name I think.
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. . innocent unborn babies . .
Fetuses are not innocent. They’re unconcerned with right and wrong, because they have no concerns. There’s no such thing as a “guilty unborn baby,” either, contrary to those who believe in original sin.
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(Rescue Rick the grasscut safety guy, or something like that)
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The Real AJ – 4 – But the hardcore ones are out there. You pick them out pretty quick.
I have a close relative like this who is a professional animal rights activist. A few things come to mind, and I’m not exaggerating: she cannot go more than 60 seconds in conversation without steering the subject matter to her cause, which is all she ever wants to talk about; she opposes any harm to animals on the basis that all things are “connected” and animal harm has ripple effects elsewhere (she defines “harm” broadly to include all agriculture involving animals, no matter how well they are treated); she is, however, adamantly pro-abortion on the basis of a woman’s “right to control her own body” (her words), seeing no contradiction with the previous principle; she’s virulently anti-Christian; she cannot consider anyone’s point of view that does not completely agree with her own (in fact, even hearing a different point of view expressed causes her to fly into a fit of anger); and she uses foul language in front of my young children and my young nieces and nephews.
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SM – 14 – fetuses are innocent in terms of civil and criminal law. Regarding original sin – are you sure?
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I should clarify that, in 16, I used the term “pro-abortion” rather than “pro-choice” because she sees abortion as a positive good in order to reduce world population and benefit animals (see AJ post #4, paragraph 3).
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Just came across this group online which I’d not heard of before, the Christian Veterinary Assn.
http://www.cvmusa.org/Page.aspx?pid=183
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I see what you mean BUZZY #17. You’re applying the categories of criminal procedure to fetuses. So, the artificial term “innocent unborn baby” is a device to justify the death penalty. How ironic! You evoke protective emotions towards fetuses as a means to qualify and advocate the killing of persons. I never cease to be amazed at how smart you guys are.
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Thanks, but I think it’s both safer and more humane to say that fetuses are not innocent.
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Thomas #5
I agree with you.
All animals should be treated with respect.
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SCROOP
I’ll say thank you for those people you say this to,
“I never cease to be amazed at how smart you guys are.”
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SCROOP
do you have children?
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SM – I don’t recall saying anything about the death penalty. I was talking about fetuses in the context of whether the term “innocent” can properly be applied to them. I believe that it can. That was my only point.
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SCROOP
Why must we be humane with a murderer who was NEVER humane with his victim(s) and make sure he is not in pain when we kill him, and not be humane with tearing parts off a baby in a womb. They should at least use an anethetic.
Good God man!
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N2M – just to clarify, inhumane or oppressive treatment of prisoners, including those sentenced to death, is barred by the Eighth Amendment. That is a distinct question from the permissibility of execution as a criminal sanction for first-degree murder.
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SM – you may not be aware, but a number of states have criminal laws protecting the unborn from violence. For example, if a perpetrator kills a woman he knows to be pregnant, he or she is guilty of two homicides. Similarly, if a person kicks a pregnant woman in the stomach, causing the death of the fetus, again the law sees two victims and two distinct crimes (aggravated assault as to the woman and criminal homicide as to the fetus). Thus, it is not as outlandish as you seem to suppose to analyze the status of fetuses within the framework of civil or criminal law.
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It’s outlandish in the context of the law of Moses, which excludes fetuses from the law of personal injury and puts miscarriage in the context of property damage.
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I think the laws you refer to are Trojan horses for the anti-abortion movement, and have little to do with the universal revulsion against murder. This is demonstrated by the fact that hardly anybody considers abortion in and of itself to be murder.
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I think the laws you refer to are Trojan horses for the anti-abortion movement.
Real people get sentenced to real jail terms for violence resulting in the death of a fetus. Also, the statutes generally shield the mother and her doctor from criminal liability, perhaps to assure they are not invalidated under federal constitutional law.
As for your claim that they are merely trojan horses, are you speculating about the state legislators’ motives here, or do you have some information to share? Suppose you found out that a number of pro-choice legislators voted in favor of such laws? I see them as entirely consistent with the pro-choice position, as they protect not only fetuses, but the mothers as well (in fact, they protect her choice to carry the baby to term). More generally, don’t you think there’s something morally repugnant about kicking a pregnant woman in the stomach, or do you find it no different than kicking a non-pregnant woman in the stomach?
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Scroop Moth, how can it be a “Trojan horse” to say that if a woman wants her baby, and someone knowingly kills it, he has committed a grievous offense? Several years ago a road rage case made news (national news I believe) when an angry motorist grabbed a fellow motorist’s dog and deliberately threw it into traffic. Shouldn’t a person who knowingly kills a child–even an unborn child–receive at least as much society disapproval and punishment as a criminal as the person who kills a dog?
Now, the real discrepancy is that if a woman doesn’t want her child, legally it is considered OK to kill it (as long as a doctor does the killing–she can’t let her boyfriend jump on her belly and kill it that way, for some absurd reason; that too has been declared illegal). But really, how can anyone find it problematic to criminalize deliberate killing of a child wanted by his or her mother (quite apart from the second point, deliberate killing of a child not wanted by his or her mother)?
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This applies to more than just animal suffering, you know. Why is human suffering special, again?
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how can anyone find it problematic
Cheryl, All violence should be prosecuted, but not all violence is murder.
. . . do you have some information to share?
Why ask me, buzzy? It sounds like you have your finger on the pulse. I was thinking of a reactionary political ethicist at Princeton U. who promotes these laws as a means to re-educate the public (and win arguments) and as a lever to topple abortion rights and force abortion onto the criminal dockets.
Legislators are smart enough to know they would get 100 times the obloquy I hear for declaring the truth that fetuses are not persons, and that virtually nobody thinks abortion is murder, and the Torah treats a fetus as property, etc.
Notice how the arguments on this topic always veer towards the ad hominem. “How could you be so heartless as to quibble . . .”
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Who is the Princeton ethicist you have in mind?
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BTW, abortion cannot be “forced onto the criminal dockets” by these laws because, as I mentioned in #31, abortion is not criminalized by them: they contain an express exclusion from criminal liability for both the mother any her doctor. If they didn’t, they’d be invalidated right away.
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