FDR’s State of the Union advice
If Franklin Roosevelt were still alive, I wonder what advice he would give President Obama for his first State of the Union address on Wednesday.
On January 11, 1944, just six months before D-Day, Roosevelt made his 11th State of the Union address. In it he said the nation’s founding principles based on “inalienable rights” no longer applied. He also said the United States needed a second Bill of Rights, an Economic Bill of Rights:
“This Republic had its beginning, and grew to its present strength, under the protection of certain inalienable political rights—among them the right of free speech, free press, free worship, trial by jury, freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures. They were our rights to life and liberty.”
In his latest book, We Still Hold These Truths: Rediscovering Our Principles, Reclaiming Our Future, Matthew Spalding of The Heritage Foundation points out that Roosevelt used the past tense “were” in describing our inalienable rights recognized at the founding.
Roosevelt believed it was time for the role of government to evolve from protecting to providing. In the old model, man received his rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness from his Creator, and the role of government was to secure these rights. Under the new progressive model, government would create new rights and provide them to its citizens … a social salvation messiah of sorts. Among the many new rights Roosevelt envisioned was “the right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health.” Earlier in his presidency he considered supporting the Wagner National Health Care Act of 1939 but backed off due to a conservative surge in the 1938 mid-term elections.
So what advice would the 32nd president have for the 44th president? Remember, progressive philosophy does have a strong pragmatic element. Perhaps FDR would tell Obama to retreat temporarily and make plans for a smaller, more realistic battle for healthcare reform. This would be consistent with progressive philosophy: retreat and evolve with the times while ignoring the anachronistic U.S. Constitution.
But I wonder if FDR would now recognize the inconsistency of his thinking and offer President Obama a different strategy. In his 1944 speech, the patrician president said, “We have come to a clear realization of the fact that true individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence.”
Is that true? Can individual freedom, economic security, and independence coexist? Roosevelt proposed eight economic rights to be included in his second Bill of Rights. The federal government, of course, would be the source of these rights—rights that would produce economic security. Would these rights bring about independence? Certainly not—they would lead millions to a life of dependence on the government. What about individual freedom? Again, certainly not. The federal government would determine the economic outcomes of these new rights.
Maybe FDR would counsel the young progressive by saying, “President Obama, many of the policies I desired have been implemented. They have failed, trapped people in a cycle of poverty, and brought the nation to the edge of bankruptcy. Your progressive agenda will lead to further danger. Save your presidency by doing the right thing for the American people: Abandon the philosophy of government as the source of the people’s rights. Secure their inalienable rights given by the Creator. That’s what they truly want and they will support you.”

















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That must have been one scary speech – reminds me that liberals are afraid of all kinds of big businesses, but they don’t seem to fear big government.
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Freedom, security and independence CAN coexist. But it takes a careful, cautious approach. We must allow freedom in action and word and thought, but how do you do so without allowing despots to rule?
Or is this just the chance we take?
David
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Rupzip, I don’t follow your connection between freedom and despots.
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“Were we directed from Washington when to sow, and when to reap, we should soon want bread.” –Thomas Jefferson.
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The Progressive in Obama cannot take this advice because he is a radical Progressive meaning he has to stay on the attack, he must drive his agenda, he must control the Republic and reshape it to what he views as fair. These would discount him taking any advice to step back and wait for the cycle to regenerate itself. Obama, in order to go down in history as the historical figure he views himself as, must continue to trounce on the Constitution, re-make it into something that is more “fair” to him and his fellow Progressives.
The documentaries that Glenn Beck is doing on Progressivism are outstanding and you really should watch and learn just how far this movement has come and just how many shapes it has morphed itself into in order to survive. Who would have ever thought that we would have a Progressive Caucus in DC? Only the true Progressives who must push through their agenda of the government being the all controlling entity in order to control the masses.
After all the “progress” that Progressives preach can only come through when we deny there is a God and we all bow to the throne of government.
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IAF – #5 –
The documentaries of which you speak have cetainly added to my understanding of many things.
Amazingly, I have never heard (until now) of the millions of people killed by Mao and Stalin – even more than were killed by the Nazis; And, I never realized until now that those awful people were, by their own definition, “progressives”.
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Mother always said that when she came home from Germany in 1938, the Roosevelts in their speeches sounded like Hitler in his.
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Someone from Cuba compared Obama’s speeches to Castro–BEFORE Obama’s election. He warned people about Obama.
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Obama is a moderate and his policies are pragmatic and centrist. His difficulties with independent voters are problems of style, not substance. Obama doesn’t have the stuffing to be an FDR, and is smart and self-aware enough to realize this. Obama’s populism was all campaign talk. He knows it and the left knows it. The right wing secretly knows it. The only people who don’t grasp Obama’s centrism are centrist voters. Perhaps they have such a knee-jerk reaction against partisans that they can’t see a bipartisan politician before their very eyes. Independents have not yet caught up with the fact that the only cross-partisans these days are Democrats, like Blanche Lincoln.
FDR would tell Obama to re-focus his administration on centrist and left-of center solutions that appeal to centrist voters. In order to do that, however, Obama has got to make peace with progressive Democrats. That means apologizing for betraying their goals and begging their indulgence for a centrist agenda that falls short of their aspirations but nevertheless will do the country some good. FDR would advise Obama to stop enabling Republican obstruction. Maybe he should forsake a second term. Then, Obama can use the left’s bitterness and disappointment as proof to convince centrists that he’s one of them. He doesn’t have to move over to the center-right. That’s because the policies he pursues really are centrist and pragmatic, and the right really is too radical and extremist for the country.
To make peace with progressives, Obama has to tell the country that progressives have behaved far better than the Republican right. They began the legislative process with a compromise, relinquishing Medicare for All, then even gave up the public option. Now progressives are trying to twist themselves into more contortions of flexibility. Meanwhile, voters have rewarded obstructionists. After telling progressives these things, Obama has to tell them to suck it up. (Voters like that talk.) Politics isn’t fair. Obama can tell progressives that voters are harder on Democrats than on Republicans because voters expect more from Democrats. The public hasn’t spoken its last word. Democrats will try again in November. Etc.
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Being over $12 trillion in debt, we get successive $1.2 trillion budget deficits, and that’s without his desired multi-trillion dollar spending on such things as a health care takeover and cap-and-tax. Under such circumstances, if Obama is a moderate or centrist, then there really is no such thing as a leftist. It may all be etherial word games for our friends on the other side of the aisle, but the budget deficits are hard facts that will affect us all, and not for the better.
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It wasn’t a health care takeover, BUZZY, and it wasn’t even an insurance takeover. It wasn’t a takeover. It’s an incremental reform. Yes, it was messy and complicated. There are no simple reforms for health care. Obama’s already doing some of that (electronic medical records) through the stim.
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Scroop
The partisan in me wants you to keep on believing what you and those on your side are spouting. The partisan in me wants all of you to continue to believe that the American people just don’t get it, that the majority of us are too stupid, and that we need Obama to “speak to us what are values are”. Your side will go down in flames if you do.
The American in me wants your side to believe that we are not stupid, that the majority gets it, and that your side needs to correct its course. As I’ve stated many times, I don’t care anymore who gets the credit. I just want people that desire a job to have a job.
Please pay attention to the above quote from one of Obama’s recent enterviews with STEPHANOPOULOS. I would like to parse that sentence. If I could, I would post a stick diagram of it, with annotated notes explaining his clear intent. But let me just sum it up: Obama want to tell us what our values are. In that quote, he DOES NOT say anything about government listening to us, and understanding our values, and then governing accordingly. NOPE! Well, here’s the quote: “And, you know, If there’s one thing that I regret this year, is that we were so busy just getting stuff done and dealing with the immediate crises that were in front of us, that I think we lost some of that sense of speaking directly to the American people about what their core values are and why we have to make sure those institutions are matching up with those values. And that I do think is a mistake of mine. I think the assumption was, if I just focus on policy, if I just focus on the, you know this provision, or that law, or are we making a good, rational decision here –”
Somebody recently, I Musings, got all over Sarah Palin’s idiom about a door “cracking open” or something. Well, here’s my turn at bat. I believe that Obama just doesn’t get it, that he thinks he can convince us that our values need to change. I DIDN’T HEAR ANYTHING IN THAT QUOTE THAT SAID HE NEEDS TO LISTEN!!!!!!
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Here’s the interview link.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2010/01/transcript-george-stephanopoulos-exclusive-interview-with-president-obama.html
Just after saying that, he goes on to say that his intent is that the voter “get it”.
This guy scares me. I mean it. He really does scare me.
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Scroop Moth, it’s all a matter of perspective. An arch-conservative friend once told me that I was practically a socialist, although I am one of the most conservative people around. He told me that William F. Buckley was much too liberal for him.
To describe Obama as a centrist is to completely ignore everything he has said and done in his relatively short life. Do you remember how he told Joe the Plumber that he wanted to “redistribute wealth.” Those aren’t the words of a centrist. Do you remember his work with community organizing? That’s a leftist activity by definition.
You could say that the reality of politics has forced him to compromise on his leftist agenda, and I think most of us would agree. However, you cannot call the most socialist-tending pre sident since FDR a centrist. It only shows how far to the left your own thinking is.
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Amen, Kyle.
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Isn’t everything just fine?…
http://theinternationalforecaster.com/International_Forecaster_Weekly/We_Are_In_A_Depression_Not_A_Recovery
Yikes!
Only one safe spot…
“He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.” (Lu 6:48)
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“Obama’s populism was all campaign talk.”
A leader needs to a lot more than schmooze, and now the people have figured out that that’s all he can do.
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You’re wrong about redistribution not being a centrist policy. I’ll admit that talking about redistribution isn’t centrist, but doing it is standard operating procedure. Further the history of our most persistent and redistribution in the 3 decades after WWII correspond with our greatest economic growth.
If it were true that economies could not support persistent redistribution, I’d agree that it’s not practical, but there’s very little evidence for that. (Great Britain didn’t start redistributing until after its economic decline. Scandinavia and Germany are still doing fine, after a almost a century of what conservatives say is unsustainable. ) Chicago school and supply-side theories of economics are defunct, KYLE.
Paul Krugman was blasting Obama’s naive and crippling centrism even before the election, and declares himself ready to give up on him. Paul Krugman’s just a garden variety liberal (except for the fact that claims it’s a matter of conscience).
I don’t think it’s possible to discuss this topic candidly with right-wingers because they have too much to gain politically from telling centrist voters that Obama’s a radical. I understand.
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It’s an incremental reform.
Uh-huh. 2,000+ pages, 15-20 new administrative agencies or regulatory bodies. If that’s merely incremental, I’d hate to see legislation that mandates substantial change.
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don’t think it’s possible to discuss this topic candidly with right-wingers.
SM – we’re not right-wingers, we’re centrists…..
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Hmmm. “incremental”
They (the progressives) have been at this for about 85 years.
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The idea is to wear us down.
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BROTHERDAN: your side needs to correct its course
How many degrees in what direction, BROTHERDAN?
I don’t think conservatives are stupid, but what would it matter if I did? Show me that you’re right. What did Obama do wrong? What would have happened if he hadn’t done the things he’s done? What should he have done, and what effect would that have had?
All presidents interpret the needs and wants of the country. They are leaders, not poll-takers. If you want someone to listen to you, you’ve got Rush. And me!
Obama’s problem is that he’s an emotionally aloof rationalist, and the country’s broken.
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I’m sure most of the address will be about jobs, and rightly so. He’s got some ’splainin’ to do. But pay attention for other little bones being tossed to the base, to get ‘em back on board.
Stuff like this.
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/01/25/rumor-obama-about-to-end-dont-ask-dont-tell/
“Levin told reporters today that he has delayed plans to hold Senate hearings to examine the current “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell” policy at the request of administration officials. Why would they want him to hold off? The officials Levin talked to said they expect the President will address the issue of homosexuals serving in the military during the State of the Union Address.”
“I don’t know if it was the White House, but somebody representing them from the Pentagon said that the President was expected, they thought, to state that policy in the State of the Union and they thought it made more sense for him to state the policy and for us to have a hearing right before the policy with the people who will be defending that policy. They don’t know what it is,” said Levin, who added that he hopes any new policy is well-thought-out and that senior military leaders are on board.”
Never mind the smell of smoke Obama, just keep on fiddlin’.
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News comes that Obama is going to embrace Hooverism. That was FDR’s mistake in 1937. It can’t be the advice he’s come back to give Obama now.
Obama is a crypto conservative.
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Interesting lineup of radio broadcast networks. MBS = mutual broadcast system, now defunct, and Blue, the predecessor of ABC, only existed from 1942 – 1945.
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Buzzy — think about legislation this way: the radical approach would be overturning all sorts of items. Wholesale. You don’t need a lot of pages to do that. Otoh, if you’re modifying something, trying to balance different positions what do you get? Beaucoup paperwork. So weird as it is, I would say that the length and additional agencies probably smacks more of incrementalism than any radical shift. They’re trying to keep as many people s possible happy (ok, no doing well on that. but still…).
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Scroop. You tell me where the stimulus money has gone. You show me where it has created private sector jobs. All I hear from Obama is rhetoric and how he plans to help people in their trouble. And how is he planning on helping, by doling out just enough money to prolong the misery. He has yet to articulate how he plans to put people back to work. Do you know why? Because government, in the long run, can only do things to lessen the burden on businesses, so that the businesses can hire and grow. Government is not a self-sustaining organism. Government is, for lack of a better word, a parasite that feeds off its host, the private sector. It always has. It always will.
His rhetoric of the day: We are going to provide day care for people! WOW! Oh, the middle class is going to have a voice at the table! Yippee! How much does that pay?
You see, Scroop, the majority of people in America understand simple economics. It’s like losing weight, more calories burned than consumed equal’s weight loss. More tax money spent, in today’s economy, means job loss. Those that are paying the taxes are becoming fewer and fewer. And yet, at the same time, we keep hearing how Obama wants to tax and spend, tax and spend.
What we need is some legitimate trickle-down economics. Obama’s bubble up economics is making the United States a pauper nation. And the American people understand this.
Health care reform is a red-herring. It is not the problem of America today. Tackling health care for the last year is like my urologist deciding to treat my insomnia instead of my kidney cancer. Little kids understand that. It’s the elite, with their blind agendas, that don’t get it. So they use sophisticated rhetoric to clothe the naked president.
Guess what? America sees through the rhetoric. America is hungry, and she aint happy.
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Harris – I don’t know about that. I’ve reviewed a lot of bills for my job, and the really long ones tend to be major social legislation, such as creating & regulating a whole new industry, or bringing an existing one under a comprehensive state regulatory scheme.
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In the old model, man received his rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness from his Creator, and the role of government was to secure these rights. Under the new progressive model, government would create new rights and provide them to its citizens.
The old model was better because, if government is the source of your rights, it can change its mind and take those rights away. But if its role is to protect rights obtained from another source (i.e., the Creator — see the Declaration of Independence), then government is powerless to take them away, and hence, they are more secure.
The other difficulty pertains to the nature of the “rights” that government gives — they tend to infringe on someone else’s economic or political freedom by benefitting groups that are temporarily in favor at the expense of groups that are temporarily out of favor.
The old model saw essential rights as the freedom to act on one’s conscience without governmental interference, where the new model sees them as the “right” to obtain an economic benefit from the government (i.e., from one’s fellow citizens). The problems that creates are self-evident.
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BROTHERDAN – I appreciate the passion of your convictions. I hope your questions are real questions, and not rhetorical ones, because I’m going to give some of them a try.
Following are some of the private companies that have saved/created jobs as a result of contracts obtained through the stim:
1. Savannah River Nuclear Solutions, Llc, SC
$1,407,839,884
2. Ch2M Hill Plateau Remediation Company, WA
$1,359,715,229
3. Ch2M Wg Idaho Llc, ID
$437,675,000
4. Ut-Battelle, Llc, TN
$338,697,231
5. Saic-Frederick, Inc.. MD
$302,521,207
6. Washington River Protection Solutions Llc. WA
$299,728,838
7. Babcock & Wilcox Technical Services Y-12, Llc. TN
$270,299,243
8. Brookhaven Science Associates, Llc. NY
$257,613,800
9. Washington Closure Hanford, Llc. WA
$253,614,000
10. Los Alamos National Security, Llc,NM
$230,835,000
According to recovery.gov the stim has saved/created 630,329 jobs as of 10/30/09 as reported by recipients of contracts and grants. Less than half of the stim has been expended.
Economists claim the stim has been partially effective in abating the recession and unemployment. Rather than impoverishing us, the stim has saved the economy from free fall into depression.
Contrary to your analysis, Obama actually cut taxes. The tax benefits of the stim amount to $288 billion. People are getting $80 more in their paychecks because of the tax cuts that Obama built into the stim. Tax receipts are down, not up. The money Obama is spending isn’t tax money! Obama is financing his spending by borrowing on the open market, at practically zero interest. This is money that would be sitting idle if Obama didn’t put it to use.
Because health care reform has been debated but not passed, it (unfortunately) has had no effect on the economy.
I hope this information is useful, even if it doesn’t reinforce your critique of O.’s economic policies.
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Government is, for lack of a better word, a parasite that feeds off its host, the private sector. It always has. It always will.
Consider the National Weather Service. The free information helps people to plan their schedules, make preparations, plant and harvest their crops, stock their inventory, and thousands of other things. Power to the people! This information enhances the economic value of countless enterprises. Even if you never get a weather forecast yourself, the boost to GDP owing to the information more than pays for the cost to the taxpayers. Further, the free information enabled entrepreneurs to create a multi-billion asset, the Weather Channel.
What’s wrong with that?
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For me, the trouble with the old model is that, a Creator is a very unsatisfactory source of rights.
People could stop believing in a Creator and think and act as if rights had no validity. Or they could get the idea that a Creator might suspend the rights of individuals or groups of individuals for one reason or another, or assign certain individuals special right to interpret and adjudicate the rights of others.
Thomas Paine improved the old model by finding the source in nature.
The new model has the advantage of reminding citizens that practical rights depend on consensus, good will, mutual sacrifice and benefit, cultivation, and responsibility. Most of all, struggle. That’s not such a shabby basis. The old model didn’t deliver, did it?
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Scroop,
Your thoughts are so far off base that most people would not bother with refuting them.
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in re: 33
Doing away with any transcedent granting of rights will lead to the same problems, if not more so.
You didnt improve the model by removing a higher authority.
People are just as likely to stop believing whatever authority you put in place, if not more so when it is not transcendent.
“People are getting $80 more in their paychecks because of the tax cuts that Obama built into the stim.”
I believe the feds only started taking less out of your paycheck each month, you will still owe the same amount as usual come tax time. Is it really a gain when they didnt renew the Bush tax cuts either?
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In #34
Woof said,
Your thoughts are so far off base that most people would not bother with refuting them.
This is easily translated. It means:
I have no way of refuting this comment, but I am saving face.
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Scroop Moth says:
“Obama’s populism was all campaign talk. He knows it and the left knows it. The right wing secretly knows it.”
Scroop, I think the right always knew openly that Obama’s populism was fluff. The voters seem aware of it now if you look at the polls. He is not popular now because people are beginning to understand his politics.
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FDR was what convinced my dad to switch from Democrat to Republican. I remember him complaining that the schools portrayed him in their social studies courses as a sort of god.
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