Is the black church really dead?
The black church in America may be lukewarm, but it is not “dead” as suggested in an article by Eddie S. Glaude Jr., the William S. Tod Professor of Religion and chair of the Center for African American Studies at Princeton University. While Glaude offers fantastic observations about the how the black church has lost her way, such analysis is troubling because it reduces what it means to be “alive” to socio-political and “prophetic” activities instead of focusing on moral formation.
Glaude rightly points out that the black church is in trouble, because for one thing, it is not homogenous. Historically the black church has followed the theological trajectories of other major denominations and theological movements in broader Christianity. The idea that the black church began in a single theological tradition, for example, Reformed, and then became “liberal” is something that no black religious scholar would find evidence for. Secondly, black communities are socio-economically diverse, which broadens the need for differentiated applications of Biblical truths. And thirdly, much of the black church’s historic prophetic voice to cultural immorality has been neutralized and often viewed only through the lens of history. Additionally, Glaude points out that the explosion of the prosperity megachurches has distracted and derailed many black Christians.
Again, Glaude raises vital matters but sadly dismisses black churches that are protesting genocidal abortion and supporting Judeo-Christian designs for marriage outlined in the biblical story. He wonders why those same protestors are not also speaking out on poverty or supporting a public option in our healthcare reform circus. Glaude does not emphasize enough that the claims of Christ and his Kingdom demand that Christians mediate between moral and social issues. The black church is dead if there is not a call for black people to follow Jesus with all their heart, minds, souls, and strength. The black church would be doing a huge disservice to black people if she were not vigilant about the morals of human sexuality, the black genocide via abortion, building stable families, and the like, in addition to sociopolitical issues.
The black church, like all churches, must speak to society with a Truth-oriented “both/and.” The moral questions are more easily discerned because of what is clear in the biblical text. The social questions, however, call for prudential judgment and may not be so easily defined and should never be reduced to a political party’s narrow agenda. For example, maybe some black churches do not support a public option because they recognize that it likely will enslave black’s healthcare choices, making them susceptible to another “Tuskegee experiment.” Maybe some black pastors want blacks to have full and absolute authority over their own healthcare decisions, freeing them from dependence on government telling them what health services and procedures they can and cannot have. Maybe some black pastors are aware that a public “option” is a misnomer because having surrogate decision-makers for the physical bodies of black people will actually limit people’s options. Again, these are prudential judgments and cannot be used as a litmus test for what an “alive” black church entails.
In the end, what is needed is for the black church to focus on her dual liberation emphasis: Liberating people from the power of the devil (Acts 10:38) and liberating people from the social structures that destroy human dignity (Proverbs 14:31) are both component parts of being “salt and light” (Matthew 5:13-16) so that God’s will for how the world should be can be realized on earth as it is in heaven.

















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I find the words “black church” somewhat disturbing. When I read the New Testament I read that churches are defined by their location. We see the church at Ephesus, the church at Corinth and even “the church that is in their house” (Ro. 16:5). I don’t ever read that a church is defined by color or culture.
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Whatever is needed for the so-called ‘black’ church should also be needed by any other cultural description for the church, and visa versa. We must learn to define church above and beyond mere culture, ethnicity, class and skin-color.
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I read Hopespring’s post after I posted mind.
I would like to add that while we do indeed need to define the Lord’s church more independently from mere human non-eternal characteristics, the fact remains that Anthony is making good points in the real world and asking good questions that caring people should not dismiss for idealistic reasons.
I have noticed that churches with predominately African-American constitutions tend to be more blatantly political and often have politicians come in to speak. Churches with more caucasians in attendance generally tend to avoid this. It seems to me, generally speaking, that in the 19th century, “black” spirituality was more other-worldly (”This World is Not My Home”, “Swing Low”, and so on). Thday, the proverbial pendulum seems to have gone over to the “this-worldly” side. In both cases, the viability of emotion seems to be quite pronounced.
I hope these generalizations are taken with the respect I mean to convey them.
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My understanding is that a church needs to have people with a hunger for the Word, a desire to worship the King, and an interest in fellowshipping with other believers. I have seen that in the people gathering together in the international churches I have attended. Some of the people are black and come from predominately black countries. Nigeria, Kenya, Cameroon come to mind. They love the Lord and desire to serve Him in their homes, their families, their neighborhoods, and their communities.
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Here is something that Newt Gingrich wrote in his introduction to one of Marvin Olasky’s books:
* “[When] individuals are caught within a dysfunctional culture they must transfer their loyalties, beliefs, and practices to another culture if they are truly to change their behavior… you would have to go through a conversion experience” ~ Newt Gingrich, in his introduction to ‘Renewing American Compassion,’ by Marvin Olasky (1996).
This seems to give some credibility to the notion that churches (black or not) that want to make a difference in real lives, need to engage creatively and biblically in what has often been derided as “the culture wars.” Churches that want to bring real-life healing need to care about human culture and its institutions (even while ultimately defining themselves above the realm of culture).
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I have finally realized that since I am not black I have no right to comment on this and will leave it be.
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Kim, this is a question for believers, not skin color. How do believers live out their faith.
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Good insights. Since we do have culturally black churches, how can their people worship God (not just on Sunday, but during the week)? Very relevant questions, and more than knee-jerk answers. Marriage and family issues are absolutely vital here.
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I for one want to see the “black church” and “black theology” go the way of the Negro Baseball League.
Any institutions which reinforce our differentness are de facto enemies to promoting unity and common ground
And while you’re at it, I think we’ve outgrown the need for NAACP and the Congressional Black Caucus too. Ditto universities which have Black Students Association or dorms set aside for African-American students.
I still get email from the Southern Christian Leadership Conference. Yet another letterhead in search of a modern 21st century mission.
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#3 The politicized “black congregation” has been an accepted mainstay of liberalism since MLK Jr and earlier. Saddening when you recognize as others above have noted the church was still focussed on the world to come and not so enmeshed with the things of this world back then.
Meanwhile the politicized white congregation (think Jerry Falwell’s flock) has been a source of heart palpitations and teeth-gnashing for decades.
We need churches who recognize in Christ we are neither Greek nor Jew nor slave nor freeman nor black nor white.
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I have a friend who is in an Ethiopian church here in the states. At first I was somewhat taken back to realize there was such a thing. Then I realized that where I live their were at one time churches that were: German, Norwegian, Swedish, Finnish etc. These churches now hold people from all those backgrounds and the labels are largely gone. I hope that will be the case for Black churches also sometime in the future.
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we need to separate the Christian Black Churches from those churches that view the way Obama and Rev. Wright, Rev. Sharpton, Rev Jackson views.
The Christian Black Churches are on fire for God. Those that view the way of Obama and Rev. Wright, Rev. Sharpton, Rev Jackson are not of God and do not promote, Jesus of the Bible. Also you do not see the Christian Black Churches surrending their puplits to the likes of Obama and Rev. Wright, Rev. Sharpton, Rev Jackson in order to push for votes.
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Its a different thread, but I’m curious to see how the “black churches” react to the Atlanta area anti-abortion billboards.
The clinics do seem to sprout up mainly in low-income/black areas.
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Sawgunner the founder of the main line baby killing companies wanted to use abortion to hurt African American and other groups.
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it seemed that the original article lamented the death of the black church in part because many black people were willing to go to mega churches that have little or no connection with the historic black church. they go in part because they feel loved, welcomed and accepted which is something I can’t say for many of their experiences within my denomination (PCA)
perhaps the pathway to the fading of the cultural black church lies providing churches that welcome black folks and our heritage and not implying or declaring that being Christian means that one must be politically conservative.
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lance818 – welcome black folks and our heritage and not implying or declaring that being Christian means that one must be politically conservative.
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Being Christian, you do not support sin or those who promote sin.
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I have always wondered about how people oppressed at one time by Christians have morphed into Christians. I think of slaves on ships praying, “Thank God, some day my children will have the opportunity to be Christians.” I think of Indians and Australian aborigines who survived massacres, praying, “Thank God, some day our children will be taken from us and put into boarding schools and indoctrinated with Christianity.”
As my neighbor is 1/4 Sioux Indian, and a devout Christian, one of these days I may ask him how he feels about all this. However, he seems to believe strongly in tolerance, at least of homosexuals, so perhaps he himself, not to mention, I, myself, not to mention, you yourselves, are confused about all this.
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When I read the words of Hopesprings, Joel Mark, Mumsee,Sawgunner, Ki, and Pastor Roy my heart leaps for joy! To me there is no black church. I worship with fellow Christians regardless of skin color. I love and cherish my Christian brothers and sisters and praise God for them.
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I agree with you Sawgunner that I decry any organization whose purpose is to impose differences and then impose value judgements based on those imposed differences. I do support institutions which support and encourage everyone that God’s love is more important than differences.
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I have finally realized that since I am not black I have no right to comment on this and will leave it be.
Kim, you have every right to voice an opinion. And I for one value your input.
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#7
this is a question for believers, not skin color. How do believers live out their faith.
I agree with you absolutely.
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montyfisherwoof living out our Faith destory the idea that a Christian Faith is a private matter.
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Anthony,
From your threads and posts, I know that you carry a thorn in the flesh because of various issues dealing with skin color. I want you to know that we love you and pray for you. And we truly do not care what color your skin is.
For the most part when I hear the words ‘black church’ they mean nothing to me. For some it means better music. For some it means longer sermons. To yet others it means better (or different) food. All of these meaningless stereotypes are just that, meaningless stereotypes. But to me the important word is ‘church’. The black churches , the white churches, the yellow churches, and the red churches all have the same percentage of sinners. 100%. And I belong to all of them.
And so do you whether you acknowledge it or not. You belong in every church. A church that seeks Jesus will prosper, one that does not will fail. If we seek Jesus we will prosper, if we don’t seek Him let’s hope that Jesus comes to get us. Prosperity is more than just ‘things’.
Living in God’s Love brings a peace that surpasses all understanding. That surpasses all reason. (And although I believe that the conservative thinking is closer to God’s wishes, His love surpasses all politics.)
And speaking of peace, why do you even bother to read anything in the Huffington Post (where the article you cited is) ? I only read it because you posted it for us.
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#22 Pastor Roy,
I agree with you completely.
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Re the black church: for better or worse, the reality is that at this point in history, churches in America are often culturally driven. The point of his essay is not “Should there be a black church?” but “How can the black church best reflect the life of Christ?” Multi-cultural churches best reflect the body–I heartily agree. I grieve the one I left in Chicago after 13 1/2 years in it. I’d love it if all churches were multi-cultural (and also included all ages, classes of people, spiritual gifts and natural talents, along with a good mix of singles and marrieds and families with kids). But to pretend there is no such thing as a “black church” is to ignore reality. To say “Well, there shouldn’t be a black church” and leave it at that is simplistic.
For the record, I’ve attended all or mostly black churches a few times (once being in a church of about 300 where I think I was the only white person), and have often been in all-black settings (only white person living on my street/apartment building in two different cities, only one on a CTA bus or in a grocery store or in a Bible study or at a family Thanksgiving dinner), and I can affirm that in these situations, black people do not respond with anger at a white person’s presence. White people are welcome at “black” churches, from what I’ve seen. So, if you’re thinking that black people should just shut down all black churches and come to ours, it works the other way too. But just don’t go to a black church and think that now the white people have arrived and it will be done correctly–that white “attitude” is one reason black churches still exist in our country.
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Usually I agree with you Anthony, but I disagree with the following:
“In the end, what is needed is for the black church to focus on her dual liberation emphasis: Liberating people from the power of the devil (Acts 10:38) and liberating people from the social structures that destroy human dignity (Proverbs 14:31) are both component parts of being “salt and light” (Matthew 5:13-16) so that God’s will for how the world should be can be realized on earth as it is in heaven.”
That sounds a lot like “black liberation theology”. What social structures are you talking about exactly? You mean like the ability to become President of the United States?
Jesus didn’t liberate anyone from social injustice. His liberation was a spiritual rebirth and hope eternal. He changes people from the inside out. Some of my favorite music is the old black spirituals as I see their great faith in the worst of circumstances. God gives people hope regardless of the their circumstances.
I think Bill Cosby had it right that the black community should look at its own culture as the cause of so many of their problems. They listen to preachers like Rev. Wright and Louis Farrakhan and Jesse Jackson who perpetuate a culture of victimization and inferiority. These men are racists who keep racism alive to fill their own pockets.
Mankind is a brotherhood, all descended from Adam. There is no race but the human race. The black community needs a renewing of their minds and putting off the shackles of false inferiority that enslave them. They need to stop blaming a fictitious oppressor out there and find hope and change within. Behold the kingdom of heaven is within you. God Bless.
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Xion
A dear friend of mine (who has gone home to be with the Lord) told me he is not an African American. He is an American of African blood. I ask him what was the different. He told me African American is putting the focus on his race first and he nationalized second. Which would makes him a minority. He told me American of African blood, is putting his nationalized first and his race second. Which puts him in the majority not in minority position.
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“But to pretend there is no such thing as a “black church” is to ignore reality. To say “Well, there shouldn’t be a black church” and leave it at that is simplistic.”
Yes, there is such a thing and no there shouldn’t be. Gathering with other believers on the basis of shared color, ethnicity, and culture is not really biblical. As believers grow in the reality of their shared kinship through the blood of Christ, this can change.
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Someone pointed out that the election of BHO somehow “freed” black voters from the expected loyalty to the Democratic party. Esp now, black voters are seeing just how DESTRUCTIVE D-party policies are to their own prosperity and opportunities to advance.
I think there is merit to this. With BHO’s expansion of govt’s hyper tax and regulate powers, now many hard-working middle class blacks who pulled themselves up by their own bootstraps are at last seeing thru the party’s shibboleths and recognizing it DOES NOT have their best interests uppermost on the agenda. And voting against the D party is not in anyway disloyal or siding with “the man”.
The man is after all black himself.
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#27 Technically African-American is not a race, just as Irish or French is not a race. That is a nationality or language. Families from those nations might call this their family’s place of origin or heritage.
Race used to refer to outmoded terms like Caucasoid or Negroid which come from bogus evolutionary anthropology that tried to draw a parallel with animal species. Modern anthropologists reject this notion and now use race interchangeably with ethnicity, i.e. family lineage. Christians and Jews should have already known this all along. The Bible is very clear about it.
I worked with a white woman who was born in Africa and had dual citizenship. She was truly African-American. Using it to mean “black” is obviously not valid. How many generations are required for someone to simply be called American?
There is no such things as African blood. All nations are made from One Blood. (Acts 17:26) We are all simply human, made in the image of God, descended from Adam and now having different families, nationalities and languages. Our uniqueness comes from variations between families.
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I agree with part of #30. Race has very little meaning. There is not much purpose in talking about a “black church.”
On the other hand, we are all simply human, evolved from ancestors of primates, not descended from a mythical person called “Adam,” and in a world made up of lots of religious beliefs besides Chritianity, which is only one belief among many mythical beliefs.
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Anthony (and Monty),
Re: #23,
I want you to know that I am in complete agreement with all that Monty said!!
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Hopesprings, in an ideal world churches wouldn’t be divided by race . . . or by musical preferences, parts of town we live in (which can mean class-driven distinctions), age, or any other thing. Even by denomination. Ideally the church is mixed. In reality, it usually isn’t, and most white evangelicals don’t do much about it except to say “It shouldn’t be that way.” And yet they seem to think the answer is to shut down black churches and have the formerly white churches be where the “mixing” takes place . . . on our turf, in our comfort zone. Or at least white people don’t seem to be flocking to black churches in any large numbers.
And in a culture that still remembers when black people moving into the neighborhood meant white flight, are we really (most of us) offering black Christians any good reason to leave culturally comfortable churches to come to “our” churches, where they may or may not be comfortable and may or may not even be welcome?
It’s easy to say why this isn’t an ideal situation. It’s much harder to say how it can be changed. Many books have been written on this subject (I’ve edited quite a few of them). This is a more complicated thing than it appears, unfortunately. The more churches can become multicultural, the better . . . but meanwhile, calling any branch of the church to greater purity and holiness is a good thing. And meanwhile let’s see what we can do to create more intercultural churches, and fewer that are segregated by age, or race, or homeschooling vs. public schooling. . . .
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Cheryl,
Please understand that what I say I say in love.
All churches around the world are culturally driven. Whether that be a culture of grace, a culture of service, a culture of worship, or in the immature Christian’s perspective a culture of skin color. Some churches may be in a culture where they give more respect to wealth or possessions and the list goes on and on.
If the ‘attitude’ with which you attend a church is not a “Christ centered attitude’ then your experience is likely to be less than it could be. And that applies if your attitude is a ‘white attitude’, ‘black attitude’, ‘red attitude’, ‘yellow attitude’, ‘feminist attitude’ or any other ‘chauvinist attitude’. There are many immature attitudes floating around. You should go with me next time I go to Africa, Asia, or Polynesia. You might be very surprised by attitudes there.
Immaturity says “Things are just the way they are.” Maturity says “Every church is a hospital where people go to worship and be healed of the demons inside themselves.” Thinking that skin color matters is just one of those demons.
In Christ there is no east or west. And that is so incredibly true. Glory be to God!
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#33 & #34
It’s bee– what? 2,000 years. And Christians haven’t figured it out yet?
What is the purpose of Christians being on earth? Besides hoping against hope that there is life after death? And posting silly comments on worldmagblog?
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As far as shutting down any churches…. no one is advocating that. and no one is advocating for forcing everyone onto their own ‘home turf’.
All turfs belong to God. Even the turfs in the valley of the shadow of death. They all belong to God. As deacons we are called to service. The where and the when and the how we should leave up to God. I am frequently led to worship at churches other than ‘my main one’. I am frequently called to minister in unusual places. Glory be to God wherever He leads me I will follow.
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MFW, in Christ there is no Jew or Greek, or male or female either . . . in one sense. To look down on people because of race is to show immaturity. To say that in America “race” doesn’t matter at all is to show historical ignorance. To be black in America is very much a cultural experience. No, race doesn’t matter in Christ; we’re all the human race. But in Christ even male and female and Jew and Gentile are ultimately irrelevant too, and yet they’re very relevant in human experience–and even in biblical experience. To love others we have to care at least somewhat about where they’re coming from. We care more about meeting at the Cross than we care about culture, but to ignore culture altogether, we might as well hand out Spanish Bibles to people who speak Urdu. We won’t be ministering or loving if we show that much ignorance.
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To love others we have to care at least somewhat about where they’re coming from.
Not really.
Love is about the present and the future.
And in America as well as elsewhere Race only matters to whom it matters. We have names for such people.
Teach victory, not victim hood.
And coincidentally one of the kids taking my languages class is studying Spanish and his native language is Urdu.
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Xion – the problem is today society would tell you are wrong – “Technically African-American is not a race”
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MFW, I’m fairly sure I’m older than you, with more actual experience helping black kids move toward victory and not victimhood. I don’t speak out of mere theory, but from years of being in the trenches and listening to others who are, and I’m not interested in debating you. But if you read me as pandering to victimhood, you read me wrong.
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Racism is so yesterday.
Homo hysteria, ideological hysteria, cross-religion hysteria is so today, especially at worldmagblog.
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Random Name #17. I am in the middle of reading “Uncle Tom’s Cabin” and recommend it to you. I think Ms. Stowe does a wonderful job of showing through her story the various attitudes and perspectives of many different people that would call themselves Christian at the time. Some Christians were using the Bible to justify slavery and the concept of an inferior race. Some Christians were heartbroken (including Ms. Stowe) by what they saw and were using the Bible to try to convice their fellow countrymen of the evil of slavery and oppression of a race of people. The story also does a nice job of showing that many of the slaves did not view Christianity as a “white man” religeon, but as the truth and a powerful source of hope for them.
I have never been in a “black church ” in America, but I sure have been in several in Africa. I was so struck by the power of their worship. I wish my church had all of the clapping, dancing, and celebrating that I saw there. I also wish for the fellowship that arises from actually really needing each other.
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#39 Pastor Roy Xion – the problem is today society would tell you are wrong – “Technically African-American is not a race”
Well, as I said it depends how one defines race, i.e. the old way or the new way. However today’s society also says the Bible is wrong, and I am representing the biblical position. The Bible divides people into families, nations and languages. (Rev 5:9; 14:6) All nations are of One Blood. (Acts 17:26) There is only one race, the human race.
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The first black President’s mentor for 20 years, the racist Rev Wright will be honoring himself and the antisemitic Louis Farrakhan tomorrow night with a living legend award. A portion of the black community will come out in droves to celebrate them and their churches.
The fact that these black churches are thriving points to a sickness within the culture. They should turn away from bad doctrine to the truth. The truth will set them free.
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Xion 03.04.10 AT 9:28 PM
The first black President’s mentor for 20 years, the racist Rev Wright will be honoring himself and the antisemitic Louis Farrakhan tomorrow night with a living legend award. A portion of the black community will come out in droves to celebrate them and their churches
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this shows us how deep sin is running inside some churches today.
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#45 Pastor Roy – “this shows us how deep sin is running inside some churches today. “
Churches are no haven from sin. What is running deep in some churches today is false doctrine.
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Random Name 03.04.10 AT 12:53 PM
Racism is so yesterday.
Homo hysteria, ideological hysteria, cross-religion hysteria is so today, especially at worldmagblog.
Racism is quite popular among White homosexual liberals. Let’s recall that “No. to 8″ protesters randomly attacked Black people after Prop. 8 passed:
http://holycoast.blogspot.com/2008/11/n.html
So, White homosexuals should look in the mirror first before yelling “Bigot!”
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Xion – Churches are no haven from sin. What is running deep in some churches today is false doctrine.
Very true.
Pastor Eric Redmond brilliantly explains how the Black Church’s witness is compromised by a blending of secular philophies and biblical doctrine over many decades:
http://www.urbanfaith.com/2009/10/this-aint-it.html
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(cont.)
This confusing doctrine accounts for many Black Christians support traditional marriage amendments, but then vote for the pro-homosexual Barack Obama because of his skin color.
Nevertheless, there are growing numbers of Black Christians who question Obama as his destructive, anti-Black policies are now out in the open:
http://www.urbancure.org/article.asp?idCategory=3&idsub=1&id=3179&t=Some+Blacks+now+have+doubts+about+Obama
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