The political pitfalls of settled science

To be modern is to live in a world of man-made marvels that continually astound, that give us ever-growing power over space and time, and yet that leave us perhaps more subjugated than we realize at first.
TIME magazine reports on two recent proud conquests of nature, one industrial and the other human. The politics of it, however, require some unveiling.
Researchers have developed a kind of corn-based plastic. Your descendants won’t find it in landfills a thousand years from now because it turns into corn mush 40 days after you bury it:
“Regular, petroleum-based plastic doesn’t biodegrade. But this year’s crop of Earth Day-inspired ads shows plant-based plastics doing just that: an empty SunChips bag fading into the soil, a Paper Mate pen dissolving underground. . . . Bioplastics could be really good for the environment—the manufacturing process produces fewer greenhouse-gas emissions than that for petroleum-based plastics, and these biomaterials don’t contain an allegedly hormone-disrupting chemical, bisphenol A (BPA), that some regular plastics do. . . .”
Making a plastic pen from corn is an impressive feat, but the human factor is not as easy to engineer. The environmental advantage depends on people composting their SunChips bag. We don’t have much opportunity for that here at my office in the Empire State Building. Even at home, few people have a composting crib. Unless municipalities send around a composting truck to empty out specially colored cans from the foot of people’s driveways on designated days of the week, that SunChips bag is going in the regular kitchen trash. So to take fullest advantage of this technological advance, we need a further advance in the administrative state.
The conquest of nature necessarily points us, and without pausing for a breath, to the conquest of human nature. If the one is problematic, the other is treacherous at the very least.
The very next story in the print edition of TIME reported on a Tulane University study published in Pediatrics that supposedly proves scientifically beyond any reasonable doubt that spanking children inclines them to violence in their later years. But studying human beings where it involves moral issues is a lot trickier than studying the composition and industrial applications of corn.
The study, led by community-health-sciences professor Catherine Taylor, makes an effort to account for factors that may distort the findings: “a host of issues affecting the mother, such as depression, alcohol and drug use, spousal abuse and even whether she considered abortion while pregnant with the child.” Nonetheless, the study compares the behavior of 5-year-old children who were spanked from the age of 3 at least twice a month with children who were not. From what TIME reports, Taylor does not study children at the ages of, say, 10, 14, and 18 who had been spanked throughout the age range when spanking is appropriate. Age 5 is hardly “the long run” for observing the fruit of discipline. Furthermore, she does not distinguish between wise and unwise spanking, i.e., spanking accompanied by age appropriate instruction and other variables.
Here, scientific research is said to have proven that certain methods of nurturing are significantly more likely to produce people of a desirable sort (it’s not yet an exact science). Yet the human factor in studying human affairs still distorts the conclusions that researchers draw. This must account for the striking discrepancy between common sense and these grand scientific pronouncements. Everyone has observed the difference between the unspanked or cruelly spanked little wretches kicking up a fit in Wal-Mart and the well-behaved, wisely paddled young homeschoolers in the same setting.
Then there’s the politics. You know that once “the science is settled,” the next step is public policy, i.e., European-style laws that make spanking a criminal offense and grounds for placing your children in government-regulated foster care. Science removes a question from the political realm of judgment to the objective realm of administration. It gets us, as President Obama has said, beyond left and right, Democratic and Republican, and the old disputes of the culture wars into the post-partisan happyland of technocracy, government by experts.
When the pronouncement of scientific researchers puts a matter beyond discussion, beyond public deliberation, it opens the way to manipulation of such pronouncements for political advantage, either by politicians themselves or by politically motivated scientists.
As we have discovered in the global warming controversy, whenever people try to get quickly past public discussion to public policy with the conversation-stopping phrase “the science is settled,” you can be sure that there is more than dispassionate science at issue.

















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“..Pediatrics..”
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Well, of course.
Sin showing up in behaviour?
Get the kids “married” to the pediatrician and big pharma products, as soon as possible.
Get them on the “forever” prescription.
You know, “health = perpetual meds”.
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“..Tulane University study..”
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And be sure, that if they define the human being as being something other than what the Bible reveals..
…their study is neither bullet-proof nor Hell-proof.
They can’t even start from a correct foundation*.
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* Having said that, salaries will continue in perpetuity. That is, until the college loan funds run out.
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“Settled Science”
Isn’t that an Oxymoron? (As opposed to “Moron” – I’ve noticed that folks who claim any science is settled, usually fit the latter category.)
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When the pronouncement of scientific researchers puts a matter beyond discussion, beyond public deliberation, it opens the way to manipulation of such pronouncements for political advantage, either by politicians themselves or by politically motivated scientists.
I think DCINNIS would acknowledge that there’s nothing new here. Politicians and ethicists always have and always will employ evidence in good and bad arguments to try and persuade people to come to decisions about the things that are debatable.
If some people use scientific findings for one purpose, others can just as easily use the same findings for another. The health risks of saturated fat can be used in a crusade to impose government regulations or in a crusade to stop people who want to regulate everything you do.
That being said, why can’t we all agree it’s a good thing not to waste time trying to persuad each other with arguments about things that can be determined by science?
There are still plenty of debatable issues to argue over. We can well afford to let science take some of them off our docket.
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Well I think it’s cool about the Sun Chip bags since we can put then in out green trash that is collected separate from the bottles, cans, paper and evil trash (styrofoam, plastic:)
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We never hesitated to spank our children and because they knew it, we rarely had to.
I can’t count how many times we sat with our very young children in a restaurant and talked with them as normal people, when people would come out of nowhere, interrupt us and praise our whole family for how well behaved our kids were. They would give the kids money and praise them for their good behavior.
They would ask our secret and we would always say that we believed in old fashioned discipline. The wise ones would nod or wink in understanding.
From our perspective we had wonderful family time because the kids learned how to behave in an adult world. While other parents struggled in vain with whining and temper tantrums and stubborn rebellion, we enjoyed our time together immensely.
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Everyone has observed the difference between the unspanked or cruelly spanked little wretches kicking up a fit in Wal-Mart and the well-behaved, wisely paddled young homeschoolers in the same setting.
How are we to know if they are unspanked or spanked, homeschooled or not?? We can’t. All we observe is well behaved and not well behaved.
Personally, I think its a matter of habit. If you bought your 3 year old candy to shut him/her up don’t be surprised if s/he cries each time you go to the store. Spanking or not spanking has nothing to do with it — its a matter of developing routines
As for the study — many human based studies mix up correlation and causation. Badly behaved children will probably grow up to be violent and badly behaved will probably be spanked more often.
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oops forgot to close the italics after the first paragraph.
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Well, HRW, I have to disagree based on experience. My 16 and 18 year olds are quite well behaved. Always have been. Due to my wife and I carrying on my father’s firm hand of discipline.
When our folks took us places, and if we miss-behaved, he would promise the belt as a reward once we got home. My brothers and I learned real quick. I remember coming home one evening, forgetting about the impending punishment. It was hours later. Well, my dear dad looked at me and said, “Son, I have never broken a promise to you before, and I’m not going to start now.” He didn’t have to do that too many times for us to learn that one warning was all we were going to get. I can still remember one trip, where I didn’t heed his warning, and he told me that once we got home, it was the belt. After learning that he would carry through, it ruined the rest of the trip!
I look back at those times with fondness now. I miss my dad. But I carried his example over to our children. And just like my brothers and I, it didn’t take too many trips to the room with the belt.
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I also well understand the misuse of punishment. My best friend was severly punished by his father in front of me on many occasions. We didn’t live in a polite neighborhood. I actually grew up in a very rough neighborhood. So I saw many friends that were on the wrong end of a drunken father’s rebuke and backhand. As sad as that was, it also taught me to appreciate my dad all the more.
I think I would rather put up with the spoiled public tantrum of child that needs a firm hand of discipline than see the haunted look in the eyes of an abused child. In fact, I know I would.
But that doesn’t mean that we through the baby out with the bath water. Instead of demonizing the practice of corporal punishment, perhaps people should be taught how to administer it in love. I know now that my father’s punishments were an act of his love. I know that because I know that when I had to punish my children, I didn’t want to. I didn’t want to hurt them. But I knew that not punishing them was an act of a coward.
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One more thing, lest people think I did abuse my children. I seldom had to get physical with my boy. And there was an age where that became inapropiate. It was quite a young age.
Now, my daughter. I only remember paddling her behind once. All it did was make her mad. She has her grandfather’s endurance for pain, that one! But I learned that if she knew that I was disapointed in her, than it hurt her more than any physical punishment could.
And that’s the lessons that I would pass on to my children for how to discipline their children. Learn your children. Learn what motivates them. Encourage those things. Also, learn what punishments are affective. If the hand to the rear doesn’t work, don’t hit harder. Physical punishment might not be what that child responds to. Perhaps it would be your disappointment. Perhaps something else. But I believe that it is the responsibility of the parent, that father ideally, to learn what is most effective.
I can go on and on.
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Yeah, I can imagine the disagreements of those that are opposed to corporal punishment. I understand. But that’s where I believe education should come in. Maybe discipleship.
Things like, “brace your child properly before swatting the rear.” “Never swat your child’s rear by surprise. They need to brace for it.” “Never hit your child anywhere but the rear. God gave that part of the body strong cusion for a reason”. “Never swat so hard as to leave a mark or a bruise. This is a sign of abuse, not love.” “Be sure that you aren’t punishing too often, as this would be a sign that what you are doing isn’t working. Seek help and advise from a trusted gentle relative, clergy, or friend. Even from a professional.” “Trust your spouse when she says to lighten up”. “Be sure that you and your spouse hold each other accountable to avoid abuse.”
ALWAYS REMEMBER THE GOAL. CORRECTION THAT CHANGES BEHAVIOR FOR THE SAFETY OF THE CHILD AND GENERAL POPULATION.
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HRW,
Your ‘badly behaved children’ are most likely badly behaved because of improper disciplining techniques when young. These parents are probably reluctant to spank so do nothing effective until the situation gets really out of hand when they are more likely to abuse out of frustration. When these kids get into the system the parents say they spank when in reality they probably did nothing but yell and scream until the kid was out of hand then abused them.
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I agree with Xion. We spanked our children, but I’m not sure if it ever happened two times a month, especially once they reached the age of seven or eight years old. They knew that if they continued to willfully disobey their parent (they were normally given three chances to correct the behavior), a spanking was in the offing.
However, I would say that it’s not so much the form of correction that matters but the consistency of the parents. Our second-born wasn’t as receptive to being spanked when he was small, so I had to change my tactics and put him in the time-out chair. If a child can depend on some sort of consequence for willful disobedience, s/he is much more likely to give careful consideration to his/her actions. And my experience is that even very young children can understand this concept.
I constantly had parents come up to me at our kids’ (up-scale) school and tell me that they wished their young children were as obedient as mine were. One day after school, as I was talking to one of the other moms about this very topic (she had conditioned her kids to always require her to scream at them and was terribly frustrated by the whole thing), one of my boys used up his three chances to obey me. So I excused us, took him into the bathroom and spanked him (he was six). We then went back into the room, he picked up what he was supposed to be putting away, wiped his tears, and told me he was ready to leave. As we were heading down the hallway, the other mom came to me and said very quietly, “Did you just spank him?!” “Yes,” I said. “Well, I could never do that!” was her response. I probably responded too quickly, “Well, then you’ll never have children who obey you like mine obey me.”
We have three gracious, amazing, well-adjusted adult children who are service minded and not at all violent. None of them has a very high tolerance level for ill-behaved youngsters. It is such a joy to see how our older son is raising his two children –with a spanking now and then if necessary–but in the nurture and admonition of the Lord. Just recently my daughter confessed to me that she had thought I was a bit strict with her while she was a teenager (no spankings involved), but now she’s thankful that we were because she can see how we were preparing her for life as a young adult.
Beating and belittling are always wrong. But inconsistency and the no-boundaries tack are equally as damaging to children. We have to find a good balance.
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moth, health risks of saturated fat (or smoking, or motorcycling)can never be used in any crusade – not in a free country such as America as it was founded
let the science inform (we can always wait for the counterevidence if we don’t like the current theory) and let us choose personal lifestyles – how about that for a rule, HRW?
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So if a child is spanked as part of instruction concerning running out in the street, he could grow up to be an unrestrained Navy seal or an over-aggressive, head-bonking violin soloist in an internationally acclaimed orchestra?
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Seems like the coffee is being produced much too strong in the Tulane faculty kitchen.
You’d think the chemical-onlyites would keep an eye on that.
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Just when is science “settled”? If it plays in their favor, political interest groups may “settle” it well before scientists do.
On the other hand, political interests may consider a conclusion (e.g., evolution) “unsettled” long after the case has been closed and shut for scientists.
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spinoza,
Scientists know the creation requires the Creator.
They couldn’t create 1 living cell of anything, even if their lives depended on it.
By excluding spiritual realities, they mandate perpetual error.
Thus, “without excuse”..
“For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:” (Ro 1:20)
BUT, some become new CREATIONS in Christ.
And then REAL KNOWING begins.
“If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:” (Eph 4:21)
Yippee!
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I like science.
It provides very nicely engineered coffins and headstones.
AND flying machines!
(This is due to “science” not having a clue on creating a bird cell.)
But, ultimate answers from “science” totals out to zilch.
Thus, scientists, on their deathbeds, want REAL answers…
“And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.” (Joh 6:40)
Science AFTER resurrection should prove REAL interesting.
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Pres. Obama promised in his inaugural address to “restore science to its rightful place.” The notion that conservatives or Republians are “antiscience” is a liberal Democrat talking point of long standing.
http://onlinewsj.com/public/article/SB10001424052748703380457230312985170570.html
The problem with the liberal attitude toward science is that it seems to be more about asserting the political authority of scientists than adhering to the scientific method. This is very clear in the global-warming debate.
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!8 – “Scientists know the creation requires the Creator.
They couldn’t create 1 living cell of anything, even if their lives depended on it.
By excluding spiritual realities, they mandate perpetual error.”
There’s a whole world of nonsense in those 3 sentences. Congratulations.
A few points must be made:
1. Nobody “knows” that the universe requires a creator that in any way resembles the Judeo-christian God. Many do believe this, however.
2. Lack of knowledge of a mechanism or the ability to reproduce a process in a lab is not proof of the lack of a natural cause.
3. Scientists don’t necessarily exclude spiritual realities; many are believers. Many are not.
4. Science is fundamentally the search to understand the operation of natural (not supernatural) laws, so it has nothing to say about a generic deity one way or the other.
5. We were formed in an evolutionary process. This is demonstrated beyond any unreasonable doubt. Many scientists who accept this also believe in a creator who used this method of creation.
6. The search to understand natural laws has resulted in far more good for the health and material quality of life in the world at large than have any of the major religions. So it is clearly a good thing to study the operation of natural law in the universe, whether you believe it was created or not.
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“The notion that conservatives or Republicans are “antiscience” is a liberal Democrat talking point of long standing.”
Yes – but more importantly, it is TRUE.
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#20 What’s clear in the evolution debate is that Republicans are the champions of the denial of evidence and fact. This is evidenced by the high proportion of anti-evolutionary GOP candidates and by the high percentage of the party that disbelieves our common ancestry with the rest of life. There is no excuse for this. It is rank stupidity and demonstrates unequivocally to the world that the GOP is not only the party of “NO”, it is the party of STUPID!
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From MY
TOONONSENSE:“BUT, some become new CREATIONS in Christ. And then REAL KNOWING begins.”
You are deliberately confusing word meanings. No scientific understanding or “knowing” about the origin of the world is imparted in Christian conversion, even as envisioned by evangelical theologies.
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spin,
1. Nobody “knows” that the universe requires a creator that in any way resembles the Judeo-christian God. Many do believe this, however.
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God knows they know.
Thus, “without excuse”.
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2. Lack of knowledge of a mechanism or the ability to reproduce a process in a lab is not proof of the lack of a natural cause.
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Forget it.
An embryo to a 100 trillion celled human being, clean-up hitter, is based in spiritual realities.
Science truth rejecters will forbid that acknowledgement. They don’t want it to be true. It’s too scary.
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3. Scientists don’t necessarily exclude spiritual realities; many are believers. Many are not.
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Yes, some are NEW CREATIONS in Christ.
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4. Science is fundamentally the search to understand the operation of natural (not supernatural) laws, so it has nothing to say about a generic deity one way or the other.
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“Science” rejecting spiritual realities will perpetuate false teaching about the living cell to millions of students.
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5. We were formed in an evolutionary process. This is demonstrated beyond any unreasonable doubt. Many scientists who accept this also believe in a creator who used this method of creation.
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Supposed evolutionists assume living cells without a spiritual base. There’s never been any of those.
Some scientists do fantasize about the word “creation” in the Bible beginning with an “e”. After regeneration, alphabet recognition recovery can be expected with most.
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6. The search to understand natural laws has resulted in far more good for the health and material quality of life in the world at large than have any of the major religions. So it is clearly a good thing to study the operation of natural law in the universe, whether you believe it was created or not.
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I like corn and beans.
So do many scientists.
When scientists watch too many dinosaur movies, they start to imagine they can CREATE corn and beans. Therein, they become scifi-entists.
Yes, the automated french-fry cooker is really neat.
BECAUSE of God, brain cell physiology can be expected within the skulls of math teachers. This is a great help in teaching differential equations.
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“And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.” (Col 1:17)
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“You are deliberately confusing word meanings. No scientific understanding or “knowing” about the origin of the world is imparted in Christian conversion, even as envisioned by evangelical theologies.”
spinoza
spin,
You’ve been ensnared in atoms-only mythology for too long.
BUT with God, unlearning this nonsense will have you leaping out of your shoes for joy, someday.
AFTER your translation*, start with the infallible fact of Gen. 1:1. Later, move to verse 2.
“Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.” (Heb 11:3)
Yes, we know.
“And this is life eternal, that they might KNOW thee the only true God, AND Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” (Joh 17:3)
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“Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath TRANSLATED us into the kingdom of his dear Son:” (Col 1:13)
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spinoza,
Evolutionists like to hide, “amongst the trees”. They think that by coloring really nifty, nonsense timelines on the leaves, it’s make their sin go away*..
“And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.” (Ge 3:8)
And the problem?
They just need the lights turned on..
“And it came to pass, that, as I made my journey, and was come nigh unto Damascus about noon, suddenly there shone from heaven a great light round about me.” (Ac 22:6)
And then they learn all about CREATION.
It’s then a happy day.
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spin,
No, no, no, no…you miss it.
For both the Republicans and the Democrats, a “sound mind” begins at new birth..
“For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.” (2Ti 1:7)
AND, if they grow in Christ, they’ll learn to be Biblical men and women.
Yippee!
“For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.” (1Co 2:16)
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“From MYNONSENSE”
spinologist
spin,
Ouch.
You really know how to hurt a person.
I’ll never recover.
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over and out..later
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Mr. Innes,
I’m not really a scientist, but the plain fact is that oil is a hydrocarbon, and corn, like every other plant, is a carbohydrate. Anything you can make out of hydro carbons you can make out of carbohydrates.
Tada!
Now, if you want to get your mind the tiniest bit dirty (just from knowing bad things that people have done, NO porn, NO obscenity, NO blind hatred) I would recommend you spend a half hour reading this reasonably poetic account of the history of marijuana prohibition, which, at least according to the author, relates directly to the notion that hemp carbohydrates, even more so than corn, is a fine replacement for hydrocarbons.
The Low, Dishonest Decade
http://www.gametec.com/hemp/Thirties.wd6.html
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