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Pelosi on public policy conforming to “the Word”
Back on May 6 at the Catholic Community Conference in Washington, D.C., Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi said the following:
“They ask me all the time, ‘What is your favorite this? What is your favorite that? What is your favorite that?’ And one time, ‘What is your favorite word?’ And I said, ‘My favorite word? That is really easy. My favorite word is the Word, is the Word.’ And that is everything. It says it all for us. And you know the biblical reference, you know the Gospel reference of the Word.
“And that Word is, we have to give voice to what that means in terms of public policy that would be in keeping with the values of the Word. The Word. Isn’t it a beautiful word when you think of it? It just covers everything. The Word.
“Fill it in with anything you want. But, of course, we know it means: ‘The Word was made flesh and dwelt amongst us.’ And that’s the great mystery of our faith. He will come again. He will come again. So, we have to make sure we’re prepared to answer in this life, or otherwise, as to how we have measured up.”
If you don’t believe me, watch the video below:
This was almost a month ago. Where’s the uproar from Barry Lynn and the folks at Americans United for Separation of Church and State . . . the ACLU . . . Rachel Maddow. . . .
I, for one, hope and pray the Word would begin to influence the way Speaker Pelosi and many others like her govern.
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And he will come again fits with public policy how?
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Her problem is she does not believe in the Word of God. Why? SHe supports the killing of babies and promotes gay rights..
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NJL: Exactly! If Pelosi had used her belief, as you did in the earlier post about Israel, to argue for some specific foreign policy position or goal, I would complain just as I did in the other thread.
As it is, she is simply averring her faith in a deity and a totally unscientific forecast.
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Where is the Separation and State Groups?
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Pator Roy: How dare you challenge her belief! Nowhere in your book is any position on abortion made clear. Though it certainly does seem that fetuses and even children who have been born aren’t worth much.
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arcadia at the same meeting, she told them that they need to preach from and teach from their puplits the needs to stop the AZ Laws and Laws like them in regard to those who cross our borders…
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An that these Laws goes against God’s Word.
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arcadia – I will not debate you on the issue. It is a waste of time, you are one who is unreachable through words, only through pray is there hope of you being reached for Christ.
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Pastor Roy: Instead of celebrating the fact that Ms Pelosi celebrates your “saviour”, instead you praise or condemn her depending on which political position she believes that saviour would take. Kind of a curious deity, no?
If I were ‘reached for Christ’ would it be okay with you if I differed from you politically? If I fought you tooth and nail on the issues that so frequently come up here?
I thought not.
I don’t think makes you a real pastor. More like a political operative. And a particularly dangerous claiming to be the only one who can interpret your deity correctly and enforce ‘his postions’ on everybody else.
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Arcadia, you misunderstood what I meant. There’s nothing in the Word about how a government should act, just how individuals should. The Word has nothing to do with public policy at all, and Jesus Christ’s return has nothing to do with anything Pelosi does in Washington. Absolutely nothing.
You haven’t read the Gospels, have you?
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I’m not a politician. I can argue anything I want.
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Pelosi seems to distressingly frequently take the contrary position to this Word she says she takes as her guide.
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NJLawyer what I find interesting is Pelosi tell Christian, how we need to not stand in the way of Gay Rights and how evil we are when we speak out against the killing of babies. She tells Christian that we have this Separation of Church and State. An Ministers are not to preach from the Pulpits about these issues in relationship to Laws. But at this meet she told the Catholic Community Conference, they need to preach and teaching their how the AZ Law goes against God’s Word.
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Pelosi get away with this just like Obama gets away with going into Black Church and talk about how evil our Nation is from the Pulpits. The are Dem. an they have their Standards and then their is Standards for the rest of us.
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The woman speaks with forked tongue, but I think she believes herself when she speaks. She doesn’t seem to see that she plays both sides.
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Pelosi says:
Can someone tell me what she means by this? She’s not being very coherent here. At first I took it to mean she could me “The WORD” mean anything she wanted… but I’m going to give her the benefit of the doubt, even though I think she’s a complete loony…
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Ugh… That should have read:
“At first I took it to mean she could make “The WORD” mean anything she wanted…
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Speaker Pelosi is not merely sharing her faith publicly (I would have no problem with her speaking freely, as ‘Speaker’–nice play on ‘words’, eh?), rather Speaker Pelosi is telling us flat our that her faith in the Word must have a direct impact on the public policy she seeks as Speaker. The leftists who went ballistic when George Bush said he prayed for wisdom to seek God’s will for his life are silent now. Pelosi has stated that her public policies should be in keeping with the values of the Word.
The hypocrisy of the left is screaming at us.
Obama has made similar statements for which conservatives would be blasted as theocrats. Obama has stated that he wanted prayer that he could use his role and political office to help create a “kingdom” on earth (his words). But the hypocritical left doesn’t care. Maybe it’s because THEY (I am speculating on THEIR thinking here) don’t really believe that leftists mean it when the speak of faith to religious audiences.
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Hey Pastor Roy, do you mind if I chime in to back up your point at #2 and challenge the claim that “the Book” is unclear or silent on abortion?
The creative hand of God was at work when you were formed in your mother’s womb. He was creating your inner being, not just your body. Listen to the Psalmist; “For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well.” (Psalm 139:13-14).
Thus, creation (including our personal creation by God) is a biblical reason to “praise” God.
The Creator actually knew us before our formation in the womb. The prophet Jeremiah, speaking for God, wrote; “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you.” (Jeremiah 1:5).
According to Paul, God didn’t just “know” us, He actually “chose” us in Christ before the world itself was created (Ephesians 1:4). That makes God “pro-choice” in the most life-affirming sense possible and it means we are not accidents of nature. Life is sacred.
We are also commanded, in the Bible, not to murder the innocent.
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There’s more:
The value of human life in the womb (equal to life out of the womb) is also affirmed in Exodus where the rule is set forth that if a fighting man hits a pregnant woman and the baby is harmed, “…you are to take life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.” (Exodus 21:22-24).
We are told in Proverbs 6:17 that God literally “hates” hands that shed innocent blood. The blood of a baby in the womb is as innocent as humanly possible.
When Elizabeth met Mary, Luke tells us that John the Baptist leapt within her womb. Luke adds that John the Baptist was “filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother’s womb.” (Luke 1:15).
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Joel Mark 06.01.10 AT 6:24 PM
Hey Pastor Roy, do you mind if I chime in to back up your point at #2 and challenge the claim that “the Book” is unclear or silent on abortion?
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you are always welcome to chime in.
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They don’t mind when she says it because they know she doesn’t mean it (and, if they’re real lucky, she might even be able to draw in a few gullible Christians to her godless agenda by talking like that.) It’s pnly the people who mean it who are a threat to the secular religion of the left.
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Pelosi implying that she is a Christian. Whoodathunk.
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I think that there are several reasons for this rhetoric and for its acceptance by certain people.
First, the Left has taken an attitude of “if you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em.” They have observed that religion plays, and so they are using it now.
Second, they believe that they best way to attack the Right is NOT to say that religion has no place in politics but rather that our version of religion is misguided. In other words they think that they can out-religion us by twisting Scripture to fit their political agenda. (As opposed to our molding our political views according to our religious beliefs.)
Third, as some have said, they do not mean it anyway. It’s empty political rhetoric.
Fourth, they figure that they can dupe a few people, as REE suggests. If they can pull away just enough votes, they will succeed.
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I suspect Pilosi was saying what someone told her to say. Most of these people don’t have time to write their own speeches. All of them have speech writers. Not to say they don’t have input, but they don’t write their speeches.
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“In other words they think that they can out-religion us by twisting Scripture to fit their political agenda. (As opposed to our molding our political views according to our religious beliefs.)”
Do you think this is what she was saying as I refer to her quote in post #16?
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Why would anyone ask her to speak at a Christian Conference?
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Wow, that is priceless and completely clueless! Whenever Pelosi speaks I always wonder how someone with such a vacuous echo chamber between the ears can even feed herself let along being elected to her office. Then I think about the empty heads who put her there. Scary!
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Nancy! Please tell us what the Word is! Please “give voice” to what that Word means in terms of public policy!
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JM: We now know that there is precious little divine “knitting” going on in the womb–it is merely an automatic process of cell division and specialization, just as it is with all creatures great and small.
It also intrigues me that biblical interpreters and defenders are so willing to resort to metaphorical interpretations when it suits, but are blind to obvious metaphors such as the one in Psalms.
As for your Exodus passage you are deliberately and deceptively paraphrasing.
EX 21:22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman’s husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
21:23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
In other words life for life only applies if something other than the fetus’ death occurs.
The loss of the woman’s fetus, or perhaps just the fact of injury to the mother which caused the loss of the fetus calls for what amounts to damages for lost property, to be assessed at the will of the father. The passage as written makes it spectacularly clear that the fetus is not considered a life.
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It’s hard to make sense of what she’s trying to say.
She’s saying the Word is Jesus, right? Public policy should be in keeping with His values. Then she says, “Isn’t it a beautiful word when you think of it? It just covers everything. The Word. Fill it in with anything you want.” This is probably the most confusing part. Is it some sort of relativism, my truth-your truth, anything-goes type of thing? Or more charitably, she’s saying that “The Word” could mean anything to a non-Christian, but then she goes on to say that “we” (Christians) know what it means when we hear it: It means the One who became flesh and dwelt among us, and Who will come again. I actually think this is what she meant. She likes the fact that “The Word” could mean anything to someone else, but to us it carries a specific meaning.
Contrary to Chas, I don’t think she had a speechwriter for this; or if she did, she should fire him. I think she took a bunch of thoughts and threw them together while she was talking, and they came out incoherently.
I’m glad she believes that the Word became flesh and is coming again. I hope she also believes in His divinity. I also hope she comes to understand, if she doesn’t, that it’s not about piling up a bunch of good works so we “measure up”, but it’s about faith in the atoning work and grace of Christ, who then through the Holy Spirit transforms us so that we no longer live for the flesh, but instead walk in the Spirit.
I also hope she comes to see the sanctity of life and the abomination of the “choice” that she now supports.
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#30
Go back and read the verse, it is talking about the mother and child. Try the NIV it is real clear.
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#31 Matt Y “I’m glad she believes that the Word became flesh and is coming again. I hope she also believes in His divinity.”
Who knows what she believes. One thing is certain though. She views her role in shaping public policy as a mission from God.
If a Republican said this it would be the headline on the front page of every media outlet in the country, bashing the idea that one’s religious views should shape public policy. But when a Progressive tries to take on the mantle of religion, even failing miserable to say anything coherent, the left bows down in worship.
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Make It Man, taking her words at face value, I think she is saying that there is no issue that is untouched by or irrelevant to the Word. However, as a political ploy, she seems to be catering to the masses who want religion to encompass whatever they already think and feel.
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WSJ’s Opinionjournal dot com recently had a good article about the status of proLife opinion in America. News articles will declare “Sarah Palin, who opposes abortion even in cases of rape or incest” but never do you read “Nancy Pelosi, who opposes any regulation of abortion even if it involves parental consent or taking a minor across state lines to have an abortion..”
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Pelosi only bring up God’s Word it it looks like it will empower her to take control. She rejects God’s Word when it deals with sin.
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I for one am glad to know that Arcadia is “an automatic process of cell division and specialization” because a cell cannot develop proper thought patterns so I can just ignore It’s (can’t be a He or She because It is just a cell) not really here yet, it’s just a bunch of cells developing.
On subject, Pelosi will say whatever she needs to say to drive home the Progressive message of “more and bigger government” and “keep me in power for as long as possible because I am making lots of money off this gig”.
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Unlike anyone on this thread, Sen. Tom Coburn says Pelosi is a good person. Her problem is, she’s a murderess. She speaks with forked tongue. Contrary to the Word. A complete loony. Will say whatever she needs to say.
Conservatives could be a little more clear about why they hate for liberals to express religious sentiments, rather than deriving what gratification they can from lip service.
Media criticism of politicians is a separate point from the politicians themselves, no? For myself, I’d argue that the religious notions of liberal politicians are less consequential than the religious notions of conservatives, for obvious reasons.
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Jesus demands that the Pharisees kill their children in Matthew 15 around verse 7.
“Christians” say anyone who demands people be allowed to kill their children be drummed out of power.
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No one is complaining about Pelosi’s religiosity because maybe they aren’t worried about her being a Christian. I’m sure she is spiritual tho. She can’t even say Bible. And EVERYONE knows who and what the Word is right? If she didn’t say the J word then no one is worried. And she didn’t say Jesus is the ONLY WAY. It’s a personal thing you know. She appears to keep it VERY personal.
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Once we get National Health Care anyone who has an abortion will have a hard time hiding it. It will be in the National Health Care system. I’m sure it will be very private and no one will be able to hack into the system. Right?
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Actually, Pelosi gives me the CREEPS!
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#38 Scroop “Sen. Tom Coburn says Pelosi is a good person. Her problem is, she’s a murderess. She speaks with forked tongue. Contrary to the Word. A complete loony. Will say whatever she needs to say.”
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“This was almost a month ago. Where’s the uproar from Barry Lynn and the folks at Americans United for Separation of Church and State . . . the ACLU . . . Rachel Maddow. . . .”
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Maybe they thought, “Oh, that’s just Nancy’s way. We know it’s just words.”
:-O
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#39 – “’Christians’ say anyone who demands people be allowed to kill their children be drummed out of power.”
Sounds like a reasonable position to me in this great nation to which I belong. I’m glad we have a constitutional process for beating thqat drum too.
I detest legalized slavery too, but would prefer an advocate of that to an advocate of killing innocent babies. But let’s get and keep both out of power as best we can.
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#39 – “Jesus demands that the Pharisees kill their children in Matthew 15 around verse 7.”
It doesn’t say this in my Bible. The demand that Jesus makes in this counter arguement to the Pharisees is that they take financial responsibility for their parents. The Pharisees were mining their Old Covenant relibion disingenuously to find an excuse not to take that responsibility. Jesus was not fooled. His refernce to the old statute that made “cursing” one’s parents a capital crime was included only to add logic and emphasis to his one point–which was to shatter the cheap excuse Pharisees were using to break the 5th commandment.
Rmember that a “curse” in the OT was a life and death matter. It meant absolute dedication to the downfall of the one(s) curse with all one’s heart.
Jesus’ point: Dedication to God cannot be used as a pretext for dishonoring our parents.
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* “The most important word in our leanguage, in my opinion, is love.” ~ Coach John Wooden (1910 – 2010).
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