Saturday in D.C.
I went to Glenn Beck’s “Restoring Honor” rally Saturday. I didn’t want to go to D.C. by myself so asked my friend Heidi to come. She inquired on the phone what kind of a rally it was, and I said, sheepishly, that I didn’t know exactly but that it was going to be good. She wanted to know the name of it. I said I wasn’t sure but it was something about “8/28.” She responded, “Oh, Romans 8:28.” I said I didn’t think so but that that was a very interesting comment.
We arrived an hour late. The entire reflecting pool area of the National Mall was packed. The adjacent fields were packed, and the tide stretched toward the Washington Monument. The Associated Press has reported that “tens of thousands” were there. That kind of cynical numbers-downplaying reminded me of Heidi’s Romans 8:28 observation and made me glad that every lie will come out in the wash eventually. They lied about Jesus the whole of his ministry. And after he was raised, which was the ultimate vindication, they paid off soldiers to spread the rumor that his body had been stolen. But as the Bible says, “No weapon forged against you shall prosper” (Isaiah 54:17).
With no strollers, lawn chairs, or picket signs (remarkable, I saw not one picket signs in that sea of humanity), Heidi and I were able snake our way through the crowd to about a quarter mile from the speaker. To my amazement, we encountered no muscling or elbowing, and on the contrary, I saw plenty of people deferring to other people the right of passage.
Neither Beck nor his other speakers (among whom, Sarah Palin) mentioned a word about Mr. Obama. This concerted decision to steer clear of politics and hatefulness robbed the Huffington Post of the ability to dub the affair “political,” forcing them to settle for the accusation that it was “religious.” This is like when the Pharisees called Jesus a glutton and drunkard when he ate and drank, and a madman when the crowds thronged Him so that he couldn’t eat—the damned if you do and if you don’t approach that makes me glad for the sovereignty of God and Romans 8:28.
Toward the end, Glenn Beck told the attentive crowd that if we don’t go home and let our revival meeting change our lives, by drawing near to God and by telling the truth in our daily living, then all we will have had was a good time on a Saturday afternoon.
Heidi and I stayed around for over an hour following the program, and walked up the steps of the Lincoln Memorial. We noticed that you couldn’t spy so much as a candy wrapper on the lawn after the crowd had dispersed.
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* “Our own Country’s Honor, all call upon us for a vigorous and manly exertion, and if we now shamefully fail, we shall become infamous to the whole world. Let us therefore rely upon the goodness of the Cause, and the aid of the supreme Being, in whose hands Victory is, to animate and encourage us to great and noble Actions.”
General George Washington (1732-1799), General Orders, July 2, 1776.
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Thank you for the first hand account. It’s good to know that Americans can act decently.
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It’s an expression of God’s grace that this “revival” was led by a Mormon – that fact makes obvious how Christ-less this wave of nationalistic moralism really is. Almost obvious enough.
Yes, I’m a conservative; yes, I know Christian political involvement is important; yes, I appreciate that some good is coming from this; yes, I think it’s cool to see a civic rally that’s actually civil, etc… but what exactly is our endgame here? To bring back an era of judeo-Christian(-mormon?) social ethics like the ’50s? There’s a really good reason that the ’60s happened immediately afterward. Are we trying to advance the kingdom by promoting “family values” and Republican politicians? Whose kingdom is this, anyway, if we’re leaving Christ out of it?
So wrong. So rant-worthy.
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As far as attendance, I’ve heard figures from 87,000 (which really would be “tens of thousands”) to 500,000.
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If this was a “religious” rally, whose religion was it promoting? Christianity? Mormonism? Something else?
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Between Arcadia on the other threads and Publius here, one wonders what has been put into their food.
Can’t you just see it as a positive rally for like-minded people?
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I had read somewhere else that people brought extra trashbags with them so they could make sure they or no one around them left a mess.
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Years ago, there was a semi-spontanious rally in (I think) Colorado Springs (or was it Ft. Collins), Colorado for “Dan’s Bake Sale”. A big crowd of people showed up. At the end, there was no trash left behind.
Decent people behave decently. You can usually tell the kind of people who attend an event by what they leave behind.
I once attended a men’s rally (forgot the name, it was about staying true and being a good father) on the Mall. Same story.
Lots of guys, little trash.
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Publius apparently didn’t actually listen to any of the rally. Christ was a BIG part of the dialogue and prayers. I am also trying to figure out how it is that a Mormon is leading so many evangelical Christians toward renewal and unity, but I am not arrogant enough to dismiss it out of hand. What is wrong with family values that you would put it in quotes? Let’s call it Biblical values. Is that better? Unhook yourself from the political codewords and look into the Word. That’s what we’re trying to get back to. Life is constitutionally protected and families are the best places to protect and nurture children. What is so controversial about that?
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* “Public virtue cannot exist in a nation without private, and public virtue is the only foundation of republics. There must be a positive passion for the public good, the public interest, honour, power and glory, established in the minds of the people, or there can be no republican government, nor any real liberty: and this public passion must be superiour to all private passions.” ~ John Adams, letter to Mercy Warren, April 16, 1776.
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I just love the “nationalistic moralism” (Publius’ phrase) of our Founders (like Washington, Adams and many others).
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Advancing God’s kingdom was Jesus’ mission and he passed it on to his followers, but not with the misunderstanding that it’s primarily an earthly or political “kingdom.” Being honorable or patriotic are not necessarily “kingdom callings” per se but they are fine in and of themselves.
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Publius, promoting “family values” is worthwhile, regardless of your notions (or lack of notions) of God’s kingdom. We can differ on how to best do this, but can we agree it is a decent cause?
Bringing back an era of Judeo-Christian social ethics while fully affirming our religious and national liberties is a fantastic cause. Our future depends on it. Let’s take it up. The 50’s were a decent start in some ways, but they certainly did not do well enough for us to quit. In fact, we have lost a lot of ground since then.
If a sexcularist, an atheist, a Mormon or a Buddhist or anyone speaks wisely or honorably in public, I can applaud. I can agree where he is right and retain my respectful disagreement with him on other counts where I think he is wrong.
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NJ:
Pretty sure I’m on the same low-granola diet as the rest of you (excepting Arcadia, of course). I do live near Chicago, though – who knows what Mayor Daley puts in the drinking water.
I can’t see the rally as a good thing if it’s just promoting “therapeutic moralistic deism” – America’s real civic religion – and failing to acknowledge Christ.
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Social:
Nope, didn’t listen. The weather was too nice to be indoors that day, and I was worried that all the wincing and cringing would leave funny wrinkles on my face when I get old. They invoked Christ’s name, did they? Good, but did they actually acknowledge Him as the Christ? In a way that understands how following Him is incompatible with being a moralist?
I don’t like expressions like “family values” or “judeo-Christian heritage” because they imply a like-mindedness between Christians, Mormons, Muslims, and religious Jews that cannot exist. Knowing Jesus changes everything about the way we must think. Sure, “Biblical values” is marginally better if you’re going to be as Christocentric as the Bible is, but even that phrase could evoke John 5:39a, where Jesus rebuked the religious leaders of the time for searching the Scriptures for instructions on how to be a good moralist and missing Christ altogether.
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Joel Mark:
Good quote. I absolutely agree; I’m just saying that virtue without reference to Jesus is illusory.
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Andrée and others:
Not only is Christless virtue/morality illusory, but it is empty and dead, like a sepulcher. In highlighting how civil and clean this rally was, it’s as if you’re rejoicing that the whitewash on this sepulcher is really, really white.
Yay.
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Granola? Nah. Now, being close to Chicago — that could do it.
It seems to me that this rally, which I didn’t see or hear but can only go on these first hand reports by others seems to have been a pro-America rally where nice people got together to say they still believe in America and plan to fight for her. Just hearing about it makes me feel better about the country. There wasn’t divisiveness there, only here, brought to us by Publius who is the one who thinks he’s so above the rest of us with that whited sepulcher crack.
Just say one positive thing today. It’ll do wonders for you.
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Keep preachin’ it, Publius. Very well said. Hard to see what’s positive about violating the 1st and 3rd Commandments, en masse, no less.
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One positive thing:
Obama’s term is temporary.
We can stand anything, as long as it’s temporary….
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NJLAWYER,
Why does it have to be Publius who thinks he’s all better ‘n the rest of us? The way you’re talking, it sounds like that’s your problem.
I never cease to be amazed at how so many Christians *bristle* at the idea that doctrinal purity might just stretch into political matters and movements.
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Not if it kills you…or bankrupts you…or leaves you defenseless.
Nevertheless, we can but hope.
This was a political rally, nothing more.
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I was at the event too. It was an impressively large number of people. But let’s not lose sight of the irony here.
Tens of thousands of people, maybe hundreds of thousands. used a publicly-subsidized transit system to get to a large public park originally built with taxpayer money, maintained by the publicly funded National Park Service with security provided by the taxpayer-funded Park Police … to protest taxes.
(And yes I’m sure there was a fee paid to use the park for the day, but that the park exists at all and has been well kept up day to day is thanks to taxes.)
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Well, since they paid for it, don’t you think it’s only reasonable that they USE it from time to time? Government and taxation is not all or nothing you know.
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The rally contained No tax protest!
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This wasn’t a tea party rally.
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Bit of a stretch there, Conantheliberrian. Like they had other viable choices.
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NJ: If you’re from north Jersey, I doubt the water’s much better there, haha. And hey, I said TWO positive things in the first post.
On matters relating to the Gospel, though, I really think it’s worth being stern. If it was only a political rally, no problem, but this event was billed as a religious revival. It was led by a Mormon. Christians can unite with Mormons only by leaving behind Christ, but He’s indispensable. By expressing religious unity with this Mormon, many unbelievers were confirmed in their belief that Christianity is just about being a good person or bringing about the right political or social realities. Also, many unsaved, proud, religious people were confirmed in their self-righteousness. Would you acknowledge that this is really harmful?
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Joel Mark: I didn’t see post #13 earlier.
Our future depends on bringing back a superficial morality to America? What future?
Eternity? That depends on Christ’s work, not ours.
Our personal freedoms, safety, and affluence? I like these things, and think conservatives have the best ideas for protecting them, but the integrity of our witness for Christ is far more important than any of them, and this witness is what 8/28 threatened.
Wrong priorities.
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Everyone has to follow their own (hopefully Biblically informed, Spirit filled) conscience, and I would not urge otherwise. But if you are a Christian, you don’t leave Christ behind, and someone telling you that you have, doesn’t make it so.
The scripture says that if Christ is lifted up, HE will draw people to himself. Like Moses lifted up the brass serpent in the wilderness, people do the lifting– HE does the drawing. Anything that people do is imperfect, but HE can make good come from it. I pray that will prove true in this instance, and that good will come from this rally.
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Bit of a stretch there, Conantheliberrian. Like they had other viable choices.
Sure they did. Rent an arena like the Verizon Center and charge admission. Or bear the cost and let people attend free, but without using public property.
And of course it was a Tea Party rally. It might not have been branded as such, but Beck and Palin are Tea Party darlings, and I saw many delegations from various local Tea Party organizations, all wearing identifying t-shirts.
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If I thought for one minute that this was a religious revival, I’d stand stern on the Gospel, too. But this wasn’t except in a very generic sense. There were imams and rabbis there. They certainly weren’t there to hear the Gospel. This was a political rally, pure and simple.
Christians always do this. They get all worked up and condemn someone simply for trying to find common ground and accuse them of watering this or that down. Common ground — God. Not Jesus, not Moroni, not Muhammad, not Moses. As opposed to the secularists and atheists. Just God.
And they had every right to use the mall just like any other group. He had more people than Sharpton and that’s what’s sticking in people’s craws because he’s a conservative. Heaven forbid, the “silent majority” should come out of the woodwork and prove they exist.
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Publius (#25 & #26),
As stated by Socialworker at #9: “Publius apparently didn’t actually listen to any of the rally”.
So, why do you persist with you criticism, when you don’t know what ACTUALLY HAPPENED THERE???
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#16 – Macrutabaga,
How was any amendment to the Constitution violated? Please explain.
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At post #13, my mis-spelling of “secularist” may have been a Freudian slip, but it was not intended.
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Joel Mark: Re-read 16.
Conantheliberrian: Yeah, they had choices for different locations, etc. But they had a *right* to holding it where they did. It’s not their fault the apparatus for holding it there is largely a public work. There’s plenty of room for calling ‘hypocrisy,’ but your analysis is a bit of a reach.
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#26 – Publius wrote; “Our future depends on bringing back a superficial morality to America?”
Huh? To whom are you responding? I never said it did. What I said our future depends upon is bringing back an era of Judeo-Christian social ethics while fully affirming our religious and national liberties. I NEVER said anything about anything superficial. You added that and with that addition, I can agree with you. But that does not change my original point.
Publius wrote; “That depends on Christ’s work, not ours.”
False dichotomy. Christ can work independently or together with us. He can do either. His work can be ours too. And Chirst can even use our less than perfect work to bring about his will too.
But I did not use the phrase “Christ’s work” for the cuase I was promoting.
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Macrutabaga, I still have no idea what you meant. I can re-read #16 yet again and still misunderstand. But if you don’t care to explain, that’s okay with me. It could well be my misunderstanding and that’s why I asked for an explanation.
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I just get a kick at people commenting on something that they didn’t watch. When Beck introduce the Black Robe coalition, a multi-faith group of clergy, he was infatic that these people DO NOT AGREE ON DOCTRINE.
Tax wasn’t brought up.
Tea Party was not the label under which many or most attended.
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20. Their taxes have already paid for it so they have a right to use it.
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Rondu:
I’m just responding to Andrée’s first-hand account.
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Joel Mark:
Yep, I added the word “superficial” because “Judeo-Christian social ethics” don’t exist. They’re just “Judeo-,” and being Christless, they are inherently superficial, like the prevailing religion of 1950s America. No ultimately important future consequences depend on resurrecting this nonsense.
I do street evangelism work sometimes, and could you guess who’s the toughest audience to reach? Not Muslims, not teenagers, not the homeless, not urban professionals, but conservatives who grew up during that decade. They just cannot fathom the possibility that they might be sinful people in need of a Savior. Isn’t moralism great?
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I watched it on C-SPAN. It was not a political rally, a tax-protest, or a Tea Party event. The only people in attendance that Beck was responsible for were those invited to speak, sing, or otherwise appear on stage. The rally attendees themselves were responsible for what they chose to promote with their clothing and what they said to media-types that sought them out.
There were only two things promoted: Bring God back into prominence in the country’s life, and support the military. At the end Beck spoke about people believing in different ways and had 240 people of faith on stage to illustrate. The only thing I heard him mention about his own belief in Mormonism was to say that he believed that salvation came from Christ and works. Then they closed with everyone singing Amazing Grace and a prayer from Dave Roever, a Christian Vietnam vet who had been severely wounded in the war. That was it: no partisan politics, no government bashing, no hate. Just God and Country.
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Forgot to mention that a very large wooden cross somewhere among the attendees was shown on C-SPAN several times.
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It was a fund raiser for soldiers and their families…
not a tea party…have you reduced yourself to trolling nowadays Conan?
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Joel Mark: In 16, I referred to the Decalogue, not the Constitution.
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BTW,
Why were you at a Tea Party in the first place? You support the tea party now? Cause you must be a tea partier if you went to the Beck rally…
Therefore would you not be just as much a hypocrite?
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Thanks, Publius and Macrutabaga.
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“Religious” is probably the right word for it; it certainly can’t be called “Christian”. Maybe it’s time for us to recognize that the Christian Right has little to do with Christ or the proclamation of His grace. Rather, it’s about laying claim to some mamby-pamby moralistic vision that sadly leaves many ignorant of the fact that their house stands on sand.
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re: politeness and garbage.
The rallies I attended in the past featured the same polite behavior and some of these rallies even set up recycling centers.
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You Christians who think that as long as they’re talking about “God,” things are good, I have just one question: What if Beck were a Muslim and instead of “God,” he said “Allah”? Would that be an acceptable level of ecumenism? The Mormon “god” is every bit as much a false god as Allah (though not, apparently, as violent, he can take people to hell just as easily).
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Hehehehe. You can always count on NJLawyer to miss the point, as she did at #29.
Of COURSE they have the right to use it, sweetie. It’s just kind of amusing that conservatives in general and the Tea Party in particular rail about taxes, but don’t hesitate to use the benefits that taxes pay for.
It’s ironic because if they paused to think they would have to admit that the taxes they pay are right there bringing them a tangible benefit.
However, some them apparently think a nickel is a lot to ask: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/08/glenn-beck-rally-attendees-all.html
Thorn: I was there because it was a historic event happening within easy reach of my home and I wanted to see what it was like. How is that hypocrisy? When I have I ever said there’s something wrong with attending events held by groups you don’t support?
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I have never (nor would I) pray in the name of Allah, since I am not sure who ‘Allah’ is. When someone prays a prayer that I agree with in the name of Jesus, I have no problem saying ‘Amen’, because at that moment the prayer becomes mine. But anyone whose conscience is pricked by doing so, certainly should refrain.
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Thanks Andree for sharing your experience.
It’s always better to get first-hand info from someone who was there.
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Conantheliberrian,
I joined NJLawyer in mentioning their right to use the property. The point wasn’t to suggest you thought otherwise, but to say that it’s absurd to think anyone who decries inordinate taxation should refrain from using any and all public means merely as a matter of conscience. If they had their ‘druthers, many of those folks would probably prefer to privatize a bunch of this stuff, but that reality is far removed from our own.
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Mac: That’s a good point. Maybe you’ll make it again the next time someone criticizes environmentalists for driving cars or taking flights.
It was just a tweak. Lighten up.
The world’s a much happier place when we don’t take ourselves too seriously.
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Conan: The bulk of the criticism made of environmentalists isn’t that they use cars and planes, but the *profligacy* of their use (when it’s profligate).
And lighten up yourself, hon,
and don’t take your own tweaks so seriously!
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48. Wow. Out of hundreds of thousand of people they found one jerk. That clearly discounts the whole event.
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#47 – Cheryl asked; “What if Beck were a Muslim and instead of ‘God,’ he said ‘Allah’?”
I would be more extatic (presuming all sincerity in the hypothetical Beck as a Muslim) than ever to see and hear a Muslim American bucking the unhealthy anti-American trends I have seen in far too many (not all) Muslims in America and abroad. Plus, I would fear for Beck’s life for having shown so much respect for America and other Americans of other faiths. I would fear for his life because he defied the more typical anger-at-America message that too many (not all) Muslims make in public.
I have long waited for such clear and honorable (informed) patriotism to rise from Muslims. Cheryl, I would cheerfully welcome your hypothetical as a step forward and hope that more Muslims would be convinced by Beck. It would make this a better world.
As for how people get to heaven, that’s another matter of even greater passion to me and I am sticking with the gospel and ultimately letting God be the final judge.
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#42 – Thank you, Macrutabaga. I do have poor eyesight and suffer from physical blind spots in the macula.
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#38 – Publius,
I disagree with your reply that “Judeo-Christian social ethics don’t exist.” In fact, I think that is a semantic cop-out in the discussion we were having. They exist as an ideal and while no culture has ever achieved this ideal to the standard of perfection, that is besides the point. It can still be pursued sincerely. But I would say that if Judeo-Christian social ethics are indeed superficial, then they simply aren’t ethical anymore. So adding the word “superficial” changes everything and is not a legitimate response to my point.
I do evangelism too, any time and any where. And I do it respectfully. I do NOT necessarily find any one “category” of people harder to reach than any other. I don’t approach them as “categories” of people or think of them that way. The call to repent is tough for us ALL sinner! I am not prejudiced against “conservatives” and have found that many of them ARE indeed able to acknowledge they are sinful people in need of a Savior.
Publius, maybe you are the one who needs to repent.
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Joel Mark, when you publicly suggest someone may need to repent, it might be useful to suggestion a reason. Publius has been a wise voice on this thread, and I can’t even think of what you might mean by that snarky comment.
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“Thorn: I was there because it was a historic event happening within easy reach of my home and I wanted to see what it was like. How is that hypocrisy? When I have I ever said there’s something wrong with attending events held by groups you don’t support?”
But it’s a tea party because Palin and Beck ar ethere and other people were wearing tshirts? Seriously? That was my point, not that its wrong, but that your attempt to associate by stereotyping was irrational.
Thousands of others were there, just for the same reason you were. Some of them even wearing tea party tshirts…
Either your all guilty by association, or your all not subject to stereotyping. You cant set a double standard for yourself.
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OK Thorn. If you look just at the portion of the crowd that was there because they’re fans of Beck and Palin, what percentage of those do you seriously believe are not sympathetic to the Tea Party?
Is it possible to be a fan of Beck and Palin but also oppose the beliefs of the Tea Party?
You don’t think there’s an overlap between those groups so large as to make them essentially one?
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Conan,
Years ago I was a fan of David Cone, yet I detested the Yankees.
I highly enjoy watchign Albert Pujols, but offer no sympathy to the Cardinals as I’m a Cubs fan.
SO yes, it is possible to be a fan of someone, and not their organization or party.
As to sympathic percentages, it’s a poor way to define any group or event. Yankee stadium could be 68% full of Tea Party sympathizers, there to see Derek Jeter, but that doesnt make it a Tea Party event or Derek Jeter one…
Beck’s rally was to raise money for the Special Operations Warriors fund to help those vets and their families. I’m sure there are plenty of people from all walks of life and political affiliation who sympathize. I’m sure there were plenty there, just for the history of it, like you. Some just went to see Dr. Avelda King…
It frankly, was not a political rally. It wasnt about tea parties or conservatives or democrats. Even the NY times got that right. Not sure why your trying to make it one.
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#58 – Cheryl,
Publius said that he does street evangelism, so I presumed he understands the universal need of all sinners to repent and that he makes that offer to others too. Publius then separated conservatives who grew up in the 50s out from Muslims, teenagers, the homeless, and urban professionals to imply that they are the least likely to repent (which is the point of evangelism). I thought that was a prejudiced comment and I think prejudice will remain until we repent of it.
Publius’ prejudice continued as he said that conservatives who grew up in the 50s “just cannot fathom the possibility that they might be sinful people in need of a Savior.”
I think this is outrageous spiritual prejudice and it mitigates against authentic evangelism to that whole set of human beings. Maybe it is his attitude that make that category of people so hard for him to “reach.” Publious should reconsider his prejudiced attitude and that reconsideration is best done by repenting.
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When I use the word repent, Cheryl, there is nothing snarky about it, at least not by intention. I apply it to myself as much as any. But it’s true that any and all who use that word will surely get asccused of being snarky.
The best one-word summary of Jesus’ teaching is the word “repent,” and the world hated and killed him for his message. “Repent” is the main theme of all the prophets and their audience made life very difficult for them too.
Cheryl, I suspect that you have never forviven me for disagreeing with you earlier. That’s your prerogative. I have no hard feelings for you. My comments are not personal, but they are frank and in earnest.
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Joel Mark, I don’t remember what we disagreed about earlier, but I certainly don’t hold any “unforgiveness” toward you. I do often disagree with your tone on this blog, although I rarely say so. Repentance is indeed a major theme of the Christian faith, and I have no issue with that. But when you say offhandedly that maybe a fellow Christian who is standing up for the Gospel needs to repent, but don’t say what repentance is needed for, yes, that sounds snarky. I’m glad you clarified, but it sounds like a disagreement between you and him about the hardest group to reach with the gospel, and not a need for repentance on either side.
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I accept that Cheryl. I don’t remember what it was either. Sorry I brought it up.
But I stand by the call for a blogger to repent for a profoundly unfair expression of prejudice agianst a category of people. I NEVER implied that he should repent for standing up for the Gospel.
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If Joel Mark can’t fathom something to be the case, the person making it is probably profoundly unfair and prejudiced.
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Bob, if you’re not careful, you’ll turn out to be a waste of cyberspace. Do you have anything of substance to say…ever?
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Well, Debra, I know you are always bored with what I have to say (”yawn”), so clearly I am not trying to impress you.
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Oh, was that you I yawned at last week. It’s rude I know, but my victims have a high survival rate, so I don’t lose too much sleep over it.
Be well anyway.
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This anecdote may be appropriate…
During the Iowa Republican Caucus in the 2000 presidential campaign I made the rounds of all the candidates’ tents… set up in midway fashion on the campus of Iowa State University in Ames.
Loud music was blaring from Dan Quayle’s stage. A musical group from a Christian college was vigorously belting out Praise&Worship in a style reminiscent of an old-fashioned revival meeting. Disturbed by the religious fervor, and wondering about its appropriateness in this political setting, I collared a badged, Quayle campaign staffer. I began, “I’m an evangelical Christian sympathetic to the cause of Christ, but is this really necessary in a aetting such as this?” “That’s what I’ve been tryiny to tell him (Quayle), but he wouldn’t listen,” came the frustrated reply.
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I was there – my first time in DC – and was elated and proud to be part of that crowd at the mall on Saturday. I’ve been a Glenn Beck listener on radio when he had trouble using the name of Jesus at all, and then only in a derogatory way. He has changed bigtime in that realm. Those who have never heard him – who have only heard ABOUT him – and judged him, are doing themselves and him a great disservice. Listening to him now is almost like being in church – he is putting the name of Jesus before millions of listeners. I know he’s a Mormon… but I also know that God used a donkey. Anyone who truly prays, reads the bible, seeks God and listens as he does, I am convinced that God can and will use. I am concerned for his and his family’s salvation, but considering the Christians he has surrounded himself with, if he misses it, it will not be because God has not shown him truth.
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People keep using the donkey analogy. Yes, it’s true, that God spoke through a donkey once. However, that does not mean that that is the common way that God speaks.
“God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; (Heb 1:1-2)
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That verse doesn’t sound exclusive, Hopesprings. God has always spoken through whoever or whatever He wishes, and always will.
I do respect those who are zealous for the purity of the Church, and don’t want to see people deceived by mixing the motivations of patriotism with bad theology, or heresy.
But I still give Beck the benefit of the doubt regarding his motivations for the rally. I tend to think he wants to be a patriot. But he is also an entertainer, and has been for many many years, so I do understand those who are more skeptical.
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If you are complaining about a “Mormon” stealing the limelight or that a Mormon is leading the fray . . . well, do something about it. Where are you? Where is your leadership? Where is your big rally where thousands come to talk about values held dear by many Americans?
I think it was great and I wish I could have been there. It was a rally, not a church service! I can cooperate with folks of other faiths to achieve a better America. God bless Glen Beck and all who were responsible. Wow!
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