Jihadist invasion in Seattle
America is under attack from jihadist verbal predator drones. At least one American citizen has lost her life, and we have all lost some of our freedom of speech.
Young Seattle cartoonist Molly Norris was irked that South Park artists Trey Parker and Matt Stone and their employer, Comedy Central, were intimidated under jihadist (implied) death threats into censoring an episode in which they depict Muhammad in a bear costume. So the brave Molly (perhaps just naïve) published a cartoon declaring “Everybody Draw Muhammad Day.” That was May 20. Then someone turned it into a Facebook page, and it took off . . . all the way to Yemen. There, a couple of months later, American jihadist Anwar al-Awlaki issued a fatwa calling for Norris’ assassination for insulting the prophet of Islam, according to Fox News and The New York Times. Last Wednesday, Seattle Weekly announced:
“You may have noticed that Molly Norris’ comic is not in the paper this week. That’s because there is no more Molly. The gifted artist is alive and well, thankfully. But on the insistence of top security specialists at the FBI, she is, as they put it, ‘going ghost’: moving, changing her name, and essentially wiping away her identity.”
From beyond our shores and without setting foot on our soil, the jihadists have invaded our country and taken the life of one of our citizens. Norris is still alive, but the woman as she was known is gone. She has lost her life in the legal sense: new birth certificate, school records, life story. For anyone who knew her, it is as though she is dead. But it is not just one life the jihadists have taken. To the former Molly Norris, it is as though all the people she has known are also now dead. They have been torn from her life because she has been torn from theirs.
A random attack—an exploding SUV in Times Square or a suicide bomb on an airplane—would spur us to retaliation. Be this is worse. Al-Awlaki targeted Norris in particular because she exercised her right to free speech in America in a way that displeased him and those who share his political religion on the other side of the world. The result: American blasphemer successfully neutralized. This is cause for national alarm.
President Obama has been quite vocal about standing up for the First Amendment rights of the Muslims who want to build a mosque near Ground Zero. But as that is an issue that involves local government, popular opinion, and private enterprise, it is actually none of his business. By contrast, as this involves foreign threats against an American citizen in her own country, the matter is central to his business. President Obama should call this what it is: an act of war. He should make full use of his armies and agencies to protect this woman’s life and liberty, and should defend her as he would defend our borders. But he has been completely silent.

















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Wow.
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Additionally, I wonder why this has been ignored for so long.
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Cant you just hear Bill Maher and all the other edgy satirists and comedians making derogatory jokes about the fatwa issuers? Neither can I.
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This is why so many people get on board with the draw Mohammad and burn the Koran things. They figure they can’t stop all of us. It might work if people saw it through but that won’t happen.
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You all might be interested in this survey that notes a 58% disapproval rate among Arabs of the ground zero mosque.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703743504575493711825224290.html?mod=djemEditorialPage_t
I wonder what this survey might have said about taking away Molly’s freedom of speech and her life as she knew it?
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I’m sure Obama would condemn it. And the FBI is on it, I guess. Besides saying he opposes the fatwa (would that be particularly newsworthy?), what should he do?
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Makes me think about Paul, centuries ago..
Perhaps something like, “Was it something I said?”..
“And the word of the Lord was published throughout all the region. But the Jews stirred up the devout and honourable women, and the chief men of the city, and raised persecution against Paul and Barnabas, and expelled them out of their coasts. But they shook off the dust of their feet against them, and came unto Iconium. And the disciples were filled with joy, and with the Holy Ghost.” (Ac 13:49-52)
:-O
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Is anyone surprised? Anyone at all?? We rolled over and ignored Molly while her life was taken away. Then we pretended the NYTimes Square bomb was generic terrorism rather than the payback aimed at Comedy Central and their Mohammed piece. And finally we proved that we are ripe for the plucking when we brought the entire weight of the world to bear on the minister for the Koran incident. Nothing would surprise me at this point.
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C’mon Anwar..
You need to place an order for a sample pack of Chick tracts.
You’ll learn alot about the Prophet, Priest, and King..
..Jesus Christ.
Also, don’t count on the absence of special forces in your neighborhood. Most of the time, they don’t announce things.
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Come to Jesus Christ. He’ll give you HIS peace..
“Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by [that] man whom he hath ordained; [whereof] he hath given assurance unto all [men], in that he hath raised him from the dead.” (Ac 17:31)
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The fatwa is disconcerting to be sure, but overall, I am inspired by this proof that at least one journalist in Seattle has certifiable courage.
We are indeed at war with Islamic jihadists. This is war.
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“…should defend her as he would defend our borders.”
Oh wait, Obama isn’t defending our BORDERS either.
He is just defending Muslim freedom of speech. And giving them money. And giving them our space program. And giving them whatever they want.
As I predicted, Obama is back in “church”.
When more people began to say he is a Muslim, I knew he would have to show up at church. Just like standing in a garage doesn’t make you a car, going to church doesn’t make you a Christian, or Protestant, or whatever he claims to be, but couldn’t possibly be Muslim.
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1. If you read the article, Ms Jones really isn’t sure how real the threat is, and she is handling the situation with some sang froid
But perhaps in experiencing the dire pangs that some here feel for her, they might consider what the doctors who provide abortions, and who have been subjected not just to Christian fatwas, but to Christian bullets and bombs, feel.
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Oooooohhhh Zing. We just go schooled by Arcadia!
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So Arcadia, what would be the outcome of our considering how those ‘doctors’ feel? How would that change the attitudes or beliefs of anyone posting here?
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If there were Christian ‘fatwas’ and death threats you can be sure each and every one of them would be screamed from the highest mountain.
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And published on HuffPo, NYT, WaPo and every other leftist-friendly publication around.
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Apparently, the FBI thinks the threat of assassination inside our borders is credible. Might any other First Amendment “rights” be in danger (besides freedom of the press)?
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#15: http://womensrights.change.org/blog/view/wanted_posters_pose_threat_to_the_lives_of_abortion_providers
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Arcadia, I’ll make a deal with you. You put in a comment the number of abortionists who have been killed, and I’ll put the number of people who have been killed by Islamic terrorists.
Granted, any number is too many–in either case. But there is a quantitative difference between the two.
Besides, I condemn the killing of abortion doctors as totally wrong. Will you say the same thing about people who are killed by Muslim extremists?
And another besides. . . .Since when did two wrongs make a right? I knew better than that in kindergarten!
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By the way, that guy who killed an abortionist and went into hiding for a long time (I forgot his name) somewhere in the east (was it West VA?), was NOT a Christian at all. In fact he claimed otherwise. I don’t know if he was blond-headed or not either, so vicious stereotypes on that basis may not work either.
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Many cases can be cited when jihadists did follow through on their threats. This has changed this woman’s life and it intimidates many from practicing free speech to boot. Mock us all you want, but decent people do indeed sincerely care about such things, personally and patriotically.
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If this were the same as in the case of anti-abortion terrorism we would have the President on down begging abortion providers to please stop being disrespectful to Christians because a baby made in the image of God is at least as sacred to us as the Koran is to the Muslim.
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Obama can make a big issue of this matter in all his speeches. He can put the jihadists on notice — again and again. When he talks about the mosque, he should talk about this story, too.
Either we stand for everyone’s first amendment rights or we don’t. And so far, we don’t, and Obama certainly hasn’t.
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If our own govt can burn Bibles (as the army did in Afghanistan) and if the Supremes uphold anyone’s right to burn the US flag (1st Amendment) and if you can call a crucifix in a urine jar art or depict the Blessed Virgin in “art” made from cow manure THEN I’d say to the muslims WELCOME TO THE 21ST CENTURY. Fasten your seatbelts, there will always be turbulence
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“Either we stand for everyone’s first amendment rights or we don’t. And so far, we don’t, and Obama certainly hasn’t.”
How do you figure? What should Obama have done differently in the case of this cartoonist?
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As I see it, Obama and his millions of disciples have contributed to this problem only in indirect ways. The evil party here are those doing the threatening. But indirectly, the failure to fully perceive the seriousness of this global war on terrorist jihadists is harmful to us at many levels, including our increasing loss of security in the face of freedom of speech.
Those jihadists doing the threatening OUGHT to be far too terrified of us (being sure of our serious resolve to desotry them for good) to speak or act that way.
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“Those jihadists doing the threatening OUGHT to be far too terrified of us (being sure of our serious resolve to desotry them for good) to speak or act that way.”
You think that’s achievable? I mean, a guy who’s willing to fly a plane into a building while he’s on it is going to be scared out of terrorism for fear of reprisal?
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Good question, Buddy Glass. I don’t think it is perfectly achievable, but I think those jihadists need to have more to realistically fear than they perceive now. It is a question of degree.
Actually, President Obama (despite his rhetoric) has been more responsible on this matter than I expected. He has carried forth many of the Bush policies that the left excoriated for years. I think Obama has met with a little more reality than he expected when he was briefed by those actually fighting this war on terrorist jihadists. So his actual performance on this matter is not as poor, in my view, as he performance on domestic politicy matters has been (which is dismal).
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Both the journalist and the doctors are victims of the same crime–peceiving your god as real and then acting on what you think your god wants you to do.
Here’s another example of the atttitude that leads to Christian fatwas.
http://www.covenantnews.com/rudd060607.htm
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And how many homosexuals have died due to this “Christian fatwa”? None that we know of. So again, comparing this particular web site to the world wide ripples from the Seattle woman going into hiding is ridiculous. Very few Christians believe that God expects Americans to attempt to form a Leviticus style government. In fact I know of no one personally. Jesus didn’t allow the slaughter of the adulterer. And she was a lowly woman.
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I think I read it in World… “The religion of peace wants us to be tolerant or they will kill us”
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They are just going to have to adjust.
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Perhaps she deserved it. She would not have run into such troubles if she had not been so ‘in their face’ by mocking Muslims. Did Jesus ever tell counsel His followers to stir up trouble by ridiculing and showing such disrespect to unbelievers? Of course not.
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Has anyone seen the 1991 movie, “Not Without My Daughter”, starring Sally Fields? It was based on a true story and was a pre 9/11 eye opener for me. Is there a network bold enough to play this movie today?
Isn’t it ironic that those champions of women’s rights are defending the muslim religion and even jihadists?
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33. It a started as a joke. You think she deserves to die over a religious joke. If that is so then most of the comedians a in the country should be dead.
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#33 – “Did Jesus ever tell counsel His followers to stir up trouble by ridiculing and showing such disrespect to unbelievers?”
Huh? Do you know if this woman believes in Jesus? She may be an unbeliever herself. So? Anyhow, the notion that she “deserves” this fatwa and to lose her home, her identity, her relationships and so much more as she goes into hiding to protect herself from murder is not just offensive, Omagebeta. It’s stupid.
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DCI’s disingenuous use of martial terminology in this story — “invasion,” “verbal predator drones,” “lost her life,” etc. — cheapens the use of actual violence against innocent people, both by terrorists and by America’s overt and covert foreign meddling.
I’d much rather face verbal “predator drones” than actual Predator drones any day, as I suspect would the innocent Afghani and Iraqi civilians who wind up as “collateral damage,” killed or maimed in the Global War On Terror®.
Two innocent, expectant mothers lost their actual lives in a FUBAR special forces mission in Gardez, Paktia province, Afghanistan last Spring. When the screwup became evident, the gallant Special Forces ops butchered their victims’ bodies and spun a story how they were victims of Muslim honor killings. But the story fell apart within weeks (days, perhaps), and we admitted both the botched mission and the coverup.
Any coverage of that story at WMB?
Nope. Too easy to focus instead on fatwahs on American bloggers — and to blog about an “invasion” in Seattle.
(BTW, speaking of fatwahs, how’s Salman Rushdie faring these days?)
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#33 ” Perhaps she deserved it. “
omegabeta,
There are certainly people who agree with you. Some people think that a woman who doesn’t cover her head and gets raped deserves it too. The same people would say that Molly didn’t get nearly the punishment she really deserves.
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Wouldn’t the Yemenese gov’n. be cracking down on this stuff?
Couldn’t a couple of higher ups, from the north in Saudi Arabia, give ‘em a phone call, and kinda’ coach ‘em through a little strategy?
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#38: The more apt comparison would be a woman who dresses provocatively, drinks a lot, meets a strange man at a bar, flirts suggestively with him, goes home with him, makes out with him, then decides she doesn’t want to have sex and is subsequently raped.
Did she “deserve it”? Certainly not. Nobody deserves to be raped, just like nobody deserves to have a fatwa issued against them as ist he case with this cartoonist. But did the woman in my example, at least to some extent, bring it on herself? I’d say yes.
The question is whether she is any less deserving of one’s sympathy if the harm she’s suffering was brought on by her own actions that one may disapprove of.
Some folks, for instance, might be less sympathetic towards the rape victim in my example because of her extremely risky behavior.
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Buddyglass, this might be a little closer, say a black guy walks into a redneck bar in a black power Tee-shirt. If he gets beat up did he bring it on himself?
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It’s pathetic that any American would equate ‘risky’ behavior with drawing a picture—in THE USA. It’s an indicator of how degraded our freedoms have become. But like I said on another thread, I’m not surprised.
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#40 BuddyGlass,
Do you view the Muslims in this country the same way as you view their victims? I mean, since they are building what is clearly percieved as a Muslim victory monument at/near Ground Zero, should they expect to be attacked and have their building burned? Will you say they ‘deserve’ it should this occur? After all, public sentiment is very clear, so by your reasoning they should know better shouldn’t they?
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#41: “If he gets beat up did he bring it on himself?”
Yes he would have brought it on himself. No he would not have “deserved” to be beaten up. Yes the offenders should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
#42: “It’s pathetic that any American would equate ‘risky’ behavior with drawing a picture—in THE USA.”
Welcome to reality; the world’s a risky place. Living in the United States doesn’t change that. If you go to great lengths to antagonize a group of people then you don’t get to be surprised when radical elements of that group react negatively.
I’m not necessarily saying she shouldn’t done what she did, and I completely support her right to do it. I do think it was unnecessarily antagonistic to Muslims. If I were her, I might have thought twice about doing it purely from the standpoint of self-preservation.
#43: “Do you view the Muslims in this country the same way as you view their victims?
In what way? I’m not sure how to answer this.
“I mean, since they are building what is clearly percieved as a Muslim victory monument at/near Ground Zero, should they expect to be attacked and have their building burned?
If I were them, I’d be concerned about that, yes.
“Will you say they ‘deserve’ it should this occur?”
No, I won’t, just like I haven’t said that this cartoonist “deserves” to have a fatwa issued against her. Actually I’ve explicitly said the exact opposite.
“After all, public sentiment is very clear, so by your reasoning they should know better shouldn’t they?”
Perhaps they should. But it’s up to them how much risk they’re willing to accept in order to make a point.
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“But did the woman in my example, at least to some extent, bring it on herself? I’d say yes.”
You said that she brought it on herself. So by that reasoning, Muslims building where they are clearly not wanted are also ‘bringing it on’ themselves, and people might justifiably not be very sympathetic to negative repercussions they incur in the process, right?
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“by that reasoning, Muslims building where they are clearly not wanted are also ‘bringing it on’ themselves”
Yes.
“and people might justifiably not be very sympathetic to negative repercussions they incur in the process”
No. People may indeed be unsympathetic if/when something happens, but I don’t consider this to be justifiable (read: “right”). In the same way, I don’t think its “right” to lack sympathy for a rape victim when her rape is facilitated by risky behavior.
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Instead of ‘justifiably’, I should have said ‘predictably’. And that means you will have your work cut out for you, since I doubt anyone’s going to show up for voir dire wearing their “Death to Infidels” or “ No Mosque Here” t-shirts. They’ll just quietly vote ‘not guilty’.
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“They’ll just quietly vote ‘not guilty’.”
Possibly. It would be a grand miscarriage of justice, but I wouldn’t put it past some folks.
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I’m sorry, this kid didn’t bring anything on herself. And anyone who thinks that really has a problem with free speech.
There was an opinion rendered by the Nebraska Supremes today or yesterday overturning a ruling of the court of appeals that words in an email were “fighting words” — the Nebraska Supremes rightly overturned that reminding the lower court that the first amendment protects speech we don’t like.
BuddyGlass seems to have a problem with free speech.
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“BuddyGlass seems to have a problem with free speech.”
No. That’s why I said elsewhere in this thread:
I’m not necessarily saying she shouldn’t have done what she did, and I completely support her right to do it.
I just realize that when one utilizes one’s freedom of speech it sometimes has consequences.
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Anwar al-Awlaki issued a fatwa calling for Norris’ assassination for insulting the prophet of Islam.
So an Islamic cleric takes out a contract on an American’s life causing her to go into hiding and our friendly anti-Christian bigots twist the topic into how evil Christian fatwas are, which by the way don’t exist.
It is fascinating how angry and worked up these people get about things which don’t exist in order to deflect from things that do. Militant atheists spend their lives shaking their fist in anger at a God whom they say does not exist.
What are the psychological implications?
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If someone knows there’s a touchy *worldwide* situation and proceeds to antagonize the enemy, I call that stupid. Especially when it wasn’t her business in the first place.
“Like one who seizes a dog by the ears
is a passer-by who meddles in a
quarrel not his own.” PROVERBS 26:17
It would have been better for her to never have never entered the debate by baiting the enemy in the first place.
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A ‘touchy worldwide situation’?? What it sounds like to me is YOU”RE SCARED as heck! You and every other bloodless American.
I guess that’s as good a reason as any to approve a victory monument at Ground Zero, or install foot baths and Muslim prayer rooms in public schools, or arrest pesky proselytizing Christians, or fire other ‘stupid’ Americans from their jobs if they protest, or rewrite public school history books so that Islam looks ‘advanced’ and Christianity’s flaws are highlighted, or bring worldwide pressure to bear on a minister in Florida.
It’s just fear. And you’re free to be afraid, but don’t try to elevate it into something respectable using Proverbs.
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Sounds like his dad is nervous for him..
“Last month, Mr. Awlaki’s father, with the aid of U.S. civil-liberties groups, filed suit in District of Columbia federal court seeking an order to stop the government from killing Mr. Awlaki unless he posed an immediate threat. The suit also asked the court to force the government to disclose the process it used to determine that a U.S. citizen can be executed without trial.”
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703793804575512283152390778.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
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I noticed the picture at the top.
If Anwar is an American citizen, couldn’t he drop by, let’s say, a marine base for a photo op with a large group of personel, and perhaps an equipment display in the background.
Wouldn’t it give a different sense of “power” and “authority” than a seated couch scene.
:-O
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54. Sounds like he brought it on himself.
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Hasn’t he just committed the same crime as the lady who was executed in Virginia.
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I guess someone can bring something on his/herself and still not deserve that something. Only God can mete out punishment on us that isn’t “deserved” by a civil or criminal adjudication or by a violation of house rules by a child.
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Even though nobody’s reading this thread anymore, I thought I’d post this since it’s relevant:
http://www.theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/a_defense_of_free_speech_by_american_and_canadian_muslims/0018241
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Buddyglass,
Thanks for the link. That’s good to know.
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