The least of these
The “conversation” between the evangelical left and right is heating up as President Obama, the left’s champion, sinks in the polls and his legislative majority is in jeopardy. Bible-thumping progressives warn of the judgment day, repeating the Lord’s words, “as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me” (Matthew 25:34-46). When Christians serve the poor, when we make an effort to alleviate their suffering, Jesus receives that kindness as given to Him personally. But the left uses this passage to justify expanding the welfare state to European proportions. But as someone once said to a traveler asking directions, “You can’t get there from here.”
Leave aside the question whether such help is charity or justice, and the significance of the qualification “my brothers,” and consider who the poor are whom Jesus has in mind. The poor in the Bible—“the least of these”—are not what we call poor today. In America, “the poor” are fed, clothed, and housed at a level far above what the teeming masses in the shantytowns of Brazil, Haiti, and Bangladesh have ever known. They are generally poor only relative to our widespread middle class expectations.
By contrast, when the Bible speaks of the poor, it has in mind people in desperate situations. They are people for whom it is a challenge each day simply to feed themselves and their families. The Bible typically presents them as the widow, the orphan, and sometimes the sojourner. These are people who have lost their natural protectors and have little or no means of providing for themselves. They are exposed to the wolves of society, powerful and unscrupulous people of means who would devour them for selfish gain.
But what are we to do for these people when we find them? It depends who you are. “Blessed is the one who considers the poor!” (Psalm 41:1). But what charity and justice require of you by way of “considering” the poor around you depends on your station in life, your relationship to them, and their particular circumstances.
Whereas the left reflexively views civil government as having chief responsibility for aiding the poor and suffering of every description, the Bible clearly distinguishes between appropriate private and public roles. Aside from public safety, what the civil authorities give to the poor is always equal protection of the laws through the courts.
The Apostle Paul certainly taught that Christians should help the needy, but he just as clearly understood that the closer the givers are to them, the more helpful the giving will be. Hence, Paul tells Timothy, “Honor widows who are truly widows” (1 Timothy 5:3-14). One of Paul’s concerns here is the efficient use of scarce resources. Don’t unnecessarily burden the deacons! But the moral concern is that diaconal assistance should not go to widows whose family can help them. The closer people are to the poor relationally, the greater their moral responsibility to provide for them. “If anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for members of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever” (1 Timothy 5:8). Paul makes no mention of the civil government. He issues no call for Christians to protest the “injustice” of the Roman government leaving the poor without food and work.
In giving to the destitute, givers should also be mindful that their compassion be effective and not just a sop to the conscience that does unintentional harm. Indiscriminate giving to panhandlers encourages shameless fakes to take to the streets in great numbers for free money. As people become more generous in their handouts, you could expect begging to become more organized around the equivalent of pimps. In the film Slumdog Millionaire, we saw a man burn the eyes of an orphan in his care so that the boy’s begging would be more lucrative. This happens in countries where almsgiving is common. In Albania, I saw a young man with no arms or legs set out shirtless in a busy square. No doubt someone maimed him as a child, perhaps an uncle or stepfather, or perhaps even a captor, so that he would elicit greater sympathy and attract more generous giving.
Christians have no disagreement over the moral necessity of kindness to the poor. Our point of debate is what the legitimate and most beneficial means are for accomplishing this. But it is sheer political fantasy that in Matthew 25 Jesus was mandating a government engineered transfer of wealth from the rich to the poor in the form of direct payments and a broad array of social services and economic subsidies.

















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Jesus never said the government should redistribute the wealth. He didn’t put the duty on the government.
Nor did he say we were entitled to entitlements.
Giving to the poor is an individual duty. And paying taxes is NOT giving.
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What? You mean Christ never said “From each according to his ability to each according to his need”?
I think its well and good that the giver should be close to the recipient and not some far off bureaucrat. But many here can chime in with their own benevolence ministry nightmare. Since inner city homeless are often mentally ill/unstable with hx of booze or dope problems, those same poor helpless needy folks can be manipulative. Manipulative to the point of not always taking NO for an answer.
Even the uberLib social gospel churches often times have restricted gated-entry administrative offices to protect the staff from those they are there to help.
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What? You mean Christ never said “From each according to his ability to each according to his need”?
I think its well and good that the giver should be close to the recipient and not some far off bureaucrat. But many here can chime in with their own benevolence ministry nightmare. Since inner city homeless are often mentally ill/unstable with hx of booze or dope problems, those same poor helpless needy folks can be manipulative. Manipulative to the point of not always taking NO for an answer.
Even the uberLib social gospel churches often times have restricted gated-entry administrative offices to protect the staff from those they are there to help.
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In our times, “the least of these” includes the 1 million unborn children who are aborted in the United States. They – and many times their mothers – are among the most vulnerable in our society.
Unfortunately, many people on the Left think that they should not receive any protections. See Operation Rescue’s website for their work in shutting down truly awful abortion facilities – besides the fact that they do abortions, many of the doctors have shady medical records and work illegally. http://www.operationrescue.org
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I think a concern is that we get so scrupulous about defining who is “legitimately” poor that we find reasons why we don’t have to give.
I also don’t think that the issue of abortion (as terrible as it is) needs to enter into every discussion.
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For a balanced understanding of the Bible’s regard for the poor, one must include a study of Proverbs.
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Ironically in Europe the welfare states deny help to those Jesus told us to watch out for and care for. The sojourner being the chief one ignored. Look at the treatment of the Roma, and how they were treated throughout European history.
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It’s very rare that I see someone even notice the qualification, “my brothers.” Good job, D.C.
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To address this issue properly, we must first of all recognize that, in the Bible, whenever you read about the command to give charity it is always being directed towards God’s people. Whether Old or New Testament,such commands are issued to those who are in covenant relationship with God. And as such, there was a specific system set up in both societies of God’s people, (first the Jews, and later the Christians) whereby charity was given out under the auspices of the leadership God had set in place. In the OT, the priests in the temple oversaw charity and care for the poor. In the New Testament, the office of the diaconate was specifically set up to care for the needy in this way. We must ask–why is this? For something the civil State shows no regard for: ACCOUNTABILTY. If someone was found to be in need, the first and proper question to ask is not ‘how much should we be giving’—but ‘why has this person come to this dire strait in the first place?’ Is there sin involved– whether individual laziness or a refusal to work and carry one’s own share of the burdens of life?—that must first be dealt with. Has injustice been done–has a divorce been issued unjustly without proper care for the one put away–where are the parties involved?.. they should be brought before the courts of God’s people and things set right according to the Law of God. In the New Testament it was the same way. Paul spoke plainly that there was first of all an individual responsibility to ‘work with one’s own hands performing what is right’ as well as a familial responsibility to care for the ‘members of one’s own household” In the case of the diaconate’s care of the widows, it was clear that, the family of the widows were first to provide what they were able before any help was to come from corporate funds. Why did God do it this way? Because our sinful human nature will take advantage of charity if it is not doled out in a responsible way, under a system that watches over idividuals to hold them accountable for their actions.
What has happened is that the church has allowed the civil govt to take over the realm of charity that was given to her by the Lord, and has opened the way for the worldly to live a life on the backs of others with no accountability for their actions. As more and more have left the church and lived outside her doors in the world–turning to the govt for the help they should seek in God, the Church has lost the power to call people to account for their sinful ways. They no longer NEED to answer to the Church for their ways, they can live life quite apart from her.
The worst thing that has resulted from this is that the members of the Church themselves, now regard this as the norm, and would not even think that this was the church’s role in the first place; expecting fellow members to go to the govt for aid when in need, instead of reaching out to help one another as is the revealed will of our God. The proper and blessed role of the diaconate has been lost and given over to the civil govts of the world–and before the Church will ever again be regarded as relevant to the world around us, the Role of the Deacon must be recovered and lifted up to the respectful place in the Church and society that God commanded. That has to start within the Church. So the phrase of qualification, “my brothers” is VITAL to understanding God’s will in this matter. It is only those who have submitted themselves to be accountable to the church, have put themselves under the oversight of her elders that have the right to look to her for support in their time of need. The church may out of mercy give alms to the world, but she is under no obligation to those who will not submit to her discipline and godly cousel. it is still “not good to give the children’s bread to the dogs….”
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Wow! You mean if Jesus had had at his disposal the tools to help the poor without significantly discomfitting the wealthy he wouldn’t have used it? If people were living hand to mouth in the streets or dying of curable diseases, while others wallowed in bathtubs full of $1,000 bills in a different house for each day of the week he would have done nothing? He would have had nothing to say about that? Even though he knew that, burdened as they are by their enormous wealth they would never make it into heaven?
That’s not a savior, that’s a monster who cares not a whit for human beings.
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And Arcadia fails to read the post completely, interjecting her own viewpoint and what she believes she read.
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“But it is sheer political fantasy that in Matthew 25 Jesus was mandating a government engineered transfer of wealth from the rich to the poor in the form of direct payments…”
Quite true; Matthew 25 is nowhere near that specific. Then again, given there wasn’t a functioning representative government at the time and Jesus was probably speaking to crowds the majority whom weren’t Roman citizens anyway, its somewhat understandable that he didn’t enjoin them to agitate for state-based programs to alleviate poverty.
One passage I find interesting comes from Leviticus 19:
When you reap the harvest of your land, do not reap to the very edges of your field or gather the gleanings of your harvest. Do not go over your vineyard a second time or pick up the grapes that have fallen. Leave them for the poor and the alien. I am the LORD your God.
One way to look at this is as the exact opposite of a state-based program, since it describes private individuals making personal contributions. Then again, consider the context of the chapter and book. Leviticus is God laying down the law.
It is personal charity, yes, but its also legally mandated. And its not charity to support the temple either, or family members, or even exclusively God’s people. While it isn’t funneled through a state mechanism before being distributed, it is nevertheless completely non-optional. “The government”, which in this case was instituted directly by God, is requiring everyone to support the poor and indigent. Or, at least, everyone with the means to do so.
Now flash forward 4000 years to today where we have a representative government. I’m not sure I would argue this point, but I can see how one might argue that for a believer to agitate for a similar charity requirement today amounts to supporting “biblical principles”.
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“Bible-thumping progressives…”
Is “Bible-thumping” only found among progressives?
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Buddy,
Wouldnt that mean that the poor and alien still had to do the work to harvest? In other words, it was not a hand out. They had to go collect the food themselves. Wasnt there another law stating if you dont work you dont eat?
You may could do a similiar program from a government stand point, I believe Clinton tried, and under this administation it was removed, despite it’s success.
When you sow hand outs, you reap more hand outs. When you sow workers, you will reap more workers.
So the question, really isnt even who can do it and who cant, the question is, what are we sowing?
The reason why hand outs are bad, is that they dont deal with the problem. They are an avoidiance of the problem. For the individual, he can be just as suceptible to just giving a hand out, it makes the problem “go away”. Ever give change to a guy on the street just so you dont have to talk to him anymore? It’s no better than the government that intends to make them slaves to the hand out. Neither attempt to address what is best for the man.
For the government, in order to sustain its society, and prosperity, it must be promoting the working class. Invest in them, if anyone. It is not bad to be poor or rich.
It is bad, not to work. Dont create a breeding ground for it.
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“Wouldn’t that mean that the poor and alien still had to do the work to harvest?”
To an extent. Recognize that the field owner is still doing the vast, vast share of the work. He tilled the field, bought the seed, planted the seed, watered the crop, and made the first (and most difficult) attempt to harvest it. The poor are then allowed to follow behind and pick up stuff that fell to the ground. The effort threshold is pretty small.
I’m not against expecting people to work to receive benefits, but there are a number of tough issues:
1. Some folks can’t work due to disability or illness. What for them?
2. Some people are capable of work but can’t find a job. What for them?
3. Some people actually do work but their wages are so low they can’t afford adequate housing, health care, etc. What for them?
4. Some people are capable of work but are saddled with the responsibility of caring for others. For example, a single mother with multiple kids and no marketable job skills. The jobs she can get with her limited skills don’t pay enough to cover daycare. What for her?
If these folks don’t have a family or church network to support them, what do you suggest?
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Buddy, the church should be reaching out to the people you listed. That is how it used to be in this country, and I pray that that will return, where the Church resumes the place it left in caring for those who cannot care for themselves.
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#17: Sure. Except the church should, as Innes suggests, be more concerned with caring for its own. In any case, the set of folks self-identifying as Christians in the United States has basically abdicated this role. I don’t see it resuming if state-based solutions suddenly ceased to exist.
Consider the situation in Acts. The sick and lame without familial support were reduced to sitting in the gates (Sheep Gate, Gate called Beautiful) begging. We know this because some of them were miraculously healed. Was the early church able to address this type of poverty? Apparently not. They took care of their own poor, and surely would have cared for any of these beggars who joined the church, but there seemed to be no consideration for addressing poverty on a societal scale.
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Arcadia
Jesus is the Son of God and did, and DOES have ALL resources at His disposal. It is not a matter of the resources available to Him, it is a matter of His Will. In the first place let’s be clear that, God doesn’t owe anyone ANYTHING…He gave Man a perfect world, in perfect order with full provision–it is MAN’S fault, not God’s that it is in the condition it now is. If there is Poverty, it is Man’s fault, not God’s. If there is Injustice, it is Man’s fault, not God’s. He has ptovided everything Man needs in Jesus Christ, by providing a way to reconcile man with Himself. If men refuse His offer and wish to remain in disfavor with Him, then he has no right to blame God if the blessings aren’t flowing his way. Anything good any of us has is by GRACE, not something anyone has earned. The only true entitlement program mankind has ever developed is setting it up so that we are all entitled to Hell if we don’t repent. If the Church decides to show kindness to the poor of the world around them that too is GRACE, not anything owed or merited.
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Buddy Glasss—What for them? That is the point–they need to come into the church & repent of living apart from God and his people,and submit themselves to the leadership and oversight of the Society of God. THEN they have a right to look to the Church to help them discern the Lord’s will as how best to help them support themselves, and bring their situaltion back to a place where it glorifies God. A hand out, will change nothing, only prolong the misery.
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Once again, the point I made was that, in the Old Testament–yes individual charity was the Law–but it was the Law IN ISRAEL–for treating other Israelites. They were not doing charity works for the nations around them, no matter how poor those nations were. All the verses about helping the poor in the OT have to do with helping the poor around them where they lived–and in the case of the average Israelite, that meant fellow Jews. My point being that in the NT the verses about charity are the same–how to treat the poor within the society of God’s people. We may indeed show kindness to the poor around us–however it is grace. Our first role is to call them to repentance–to call them to resubmit themselves to God. Once submitted to the Church, the elders and deacons are then able to look at the particular situation individually and discern the Lord’s mind on how best to help the person bring their life back to complying with God’s will.
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“Once again, the point I made was that, in the Old Testament–yes individual charity was the Law–but it was the Law IN ISRAEL–for treating other Israelites.”
This is demonstrably false. “Leave them for the poor and the alien.”
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“The effort threshold is pretty small.”
And it should be.
1 – 4 are not relevative to the poor discussed in the passage you presented. Disabled, too ill to work obviously cant collect their leftovers, but that doesnt mean they werent cared for as other passages address it. The jobless were just given a job pickin the leftovers. They lived in EPA unfriendly houses, so most anyone had “adequate housing” for the time of day it was, and as far as 4 there were several examples of how widows and mothers were to be treated and cared for.
Do we in this modern age esp with computers, have less excuse to not be working? What is truly disabled? What is too ill? What is adequate housing? These terms are ambiguous on a federal level. The government does a poor job of meeting the specific needs of people.
As 4 is probably the most thought provoking, let’s discuss it. How do we help a woman with multiple kids who just lost her husband, has 0 skills, no job, no friends, no family, no church.
Does such a person even exist? For the sake of arguement, let’s say yes. If we simply pay for her needs as a government, the problem is, we are paying not for 1, but for multiple (say she has 3 kids) So when those kids grow up, so do their needs. And as we have seen, by simply giving a hand out to her mother, they will grow up expecting the same. So you have created 4 times worse the problem than what you started with.
If you continue to do this for others, you’ll create a culture that is dependent on the source. The problem, is that it is unsustainable.
You need to help, regardless of who does it, by creating independents. If the government promotes workers and does nto create dependents, then the burden on churches/charities/individuals, is drastically lessened and easily handled.
It’s very simple to hand out a list of charities in which a woman like the above could call.
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In the original article, D. C. Innes alludes to the qualification “my brothers”. I believe this is key, since when the New Testament speaks of Jesus’ brothers, or similarly of the children of God, it refers to Christians. For example, Hebrews 2:11 “For both He who sanctifies and those who are being sanctified are all of one, for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren…” Or Matthew 12:50 “whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.” Or John 1:12 “as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name”. So then where are the Christians who are hungry, naked, strangers (in hiding) and in prison? Mostly in countries where they are persecuted. Such as North Korea, China, Iran, Afghanistan. Our first priority should be the household of faith (Galatians 6:10). See, for example, http://www.persecution.com for practical ways to help.
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#11 – “You mean if Jesus had had at his disposal the tools to help the poor without significantly discomfitting the wealthy he wouldn’t have used it?”
Well, actually, he DID have those tools at his disposal. He was Immanuel (”God with us”) and by one way of interpreting the temptation account in Matthew 4, the devil even tempted him to use them. He refused because the devil was trying to get him to compromise his divine mission by making it so material that people would be attracted on shallow terms and superficial pretexts.
I don’t think Arcadia understands what Jesus’ mission was in the first place. It was a much higher and deeper mission than Arcadia conceives.
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BuddyGlass, they did care for those poor at the gates. Jesus laid those groundrules himself, and in respect of Old Testament Law, it is the Church’s responsibility to Jesus Himself to serve those in need, to not only provide them their needs and to preach the Gospel but to also provide a way for them, whether Jew, Gentile, native or foreigner, well-bodied or disabled, to be self-sustaining if possible.
What the Church needs to do is to take up its old role so that government intervention is not even seen as necessary.
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#5–I think it is perfectly appropriate to mention abortion in this conversation. Beth (#4) is right. Human beings whose voices are cruelly silenced before they can even be heard are certainly among “the least.” Mr. Innes’ third paragraph describes the plight of the unborn quite well.
Give justice to the weak and the fatherless;
maintain the rights of the afflicted and the destitute.
Rescue the weak and the needy;
deliver them from the hand of the wicked.
(Psalm 82:3-4)
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JoelMark: Oh I understand it very well. And it was not to just be a shill for the wealthy, the Romans or the Republican Party.
He was confronted with human suffering, he could do something about it and he did. He frowned upon accumulation of wealth (eye of the needle) and tried to get people to do something about it. (In as much as you have done this for…). He fed the multitudes.
He did not inquire of anybody’s faith before he healed them.
And the idea that “Christian love” is only reserved for certain
Christians and that he would turn his back on all others, as outlined by Greenolivetree, is indeed a characteristic of the Christian OT god, but not the NT Jesus. The idea that he would die for all of us, but not do anything he could for the poor or would leave the sick to die by the roadside as Greenolivetree would clearly do is a profound self-serving perversion of your book, and, on some level, I think you know it.
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Rom116: What the Church needs to do is to take up its old role so that government intervention is not even seen as necessary
How unutterbly silly. “The church” is somehow going to grow large enough and generous enough to take over welfare, medicare, medicaid, public housing, consumer protection, environmental protection, and just about every government program Republicans find abhorrent? Apart from the extreme unlikelihood of such an event, can you imagine the vast administrative costs and chaos as every faith, diocese, sect, and parish in every state, county and town sets its own rules? And the wealthy and folks like Joann go church shopping to find the least demanding church to attend.
Joann: Tell me exactly why it is that churches have tax exemptions? Including property tax exemptions for vast ornate cathedrals and somewhat smaller buildings that gum up entire neighborhoods, often several mornings or nights a week? Because they do no good works? And they help only their own?
Sorry, Joann, a church is not a co-op. Though many do try to blackmail and co-opt the recipients of their charity. It’s really sort of spiritual Ponzi scheme you have in mind, isn’t it?
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I agree Mr. Innes.
It’s nuts to just hand money over to foreign governments in hopes that they will help the poor.
Our own gov’t hasn’t figured out how to do it correctly here so why would we expect many foreign gov’ts to do the right thing with the money we so freely hand out.
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@Thorn: And as we have seen, by simply giving a hand out to her mother, they will grow up expecting the same. So you have created 4 times worse the problem than what you started with.
If they grow up expecting to receive aid when they can’t provide for themselves then that’s not necessarily a bad thing. And what’s the alternative for our hypothetical mother? Well, she could give all her children up for adoption. Then she’d be free to earn a living without having to pay for their care, but is that something we should demand of her? If she’s young enough and attractive enough, she can take certain jobs that pay way above what her skills might otherwise command (i.e. prostitution, stripping, etc.) Or she could beg money off complete strangers. Not a great set of options.
@Thorn: You need to help, regardless of who does it, by creating independents.
Sure, that’s always the goal. If you can get a single mother some job training so she can get a better job, etc. that’s always a good thing. Hard to do job training, though, when you’re working a low-skill job and taking care of potentially multiple children all by yourself.
@Thorn: It’s very simple to hand out a list of charities in which a woman like the above could call.
I don’t think you appreciate the bureaucracy that would be necessary in order for a private charity to serve only the needy without friends, family or church communities. How would you determine whether someone had exhausted all other means? And besides, didn’t you just claim that charity creates a culture of dependence? Won’t this woman’s children grow up expecting to be provided for by private charities?
If we expand the discussion to all social programs, are you telling me private charities are going to foot the cost of medical care for the elderly (i.e. replace Medicare)?
@Rom116: they did care for those poor at the gates.
I may have missed this in Acts. Did the early church try to alleviate the extreme poverty of non-believers?
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But, Mrs.NEWS2ME, we don’t do that badly. I see families, who would literally be out on the streets (because their relatives won’t sacrifice and put themselves out for their own extended family admittedly)without our public housing programs. Yes, there is waste and corruption, but I’ve come to understand that that is our carnal nature and, outside the Kingdom, that’s how it’s going to be. Ideally these families would go to a well funded Christian church or charity and ask for assistance in housing and then after a few months would be able to pay a reasonable rental charge themselves indefinately. But, since that’s as remote a possibility as a flat tax, we should be proud of our country that we can put an adequate roof over the heads of these families with children. Now, I realize that public housing is just one of the programs where we’ve promised more than we can sustainably provide, but I don’t think we should throw out the baby with the bathwater. We need to elect people that will take the good structure we have and scale it back to help people who truly can’t find help or sustenance anywhere else and let the churches help those in their own fellowship. No matter what we do we’re going to be called cruel and socially unjust by those on the left. It occurs to me that some Christian organization or individual should take advantage of the onslaught of foreclosed homes that (should be) available (but the banks aren’t really doing any deals) and snap them up to do their own housing program for families that have been chewed up by the present economy and union system. Do you know that Habatat for Humanity can’t find families that are willing to go through the background check process and give the sweat equity required to own their own home?
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Individuals do have the legal duty to rescue people whom they put in peril.
The rich harm the poor by monopolizing the benefits of our social contract. Biblically speaking, taxes are are the forgotten sheaves, the remaining olives, and ungathered grapes which God commands the rich to leave on the land for the poor and undocumented. Thou shalt not maximize thy profits, saith the Lord.
The protestant ethic of capitalism (plus coal) created vast wealth, but John Calvin himself declared that civic society has a duty to provide means for the needy so that the rich don’t have too much and the poor don’t have too little.
Fortunately, the US Constitution gives Congress the unlimited power to tax the rich and spend this money for what it considers to be the common welfare, even without restriction to ghetto queens and young bucks. Jesus doesn’t object, for money belongs to Ceasar.
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#29 –
The church has a huge role to play. That role far transcends the superficial and weak option of shelling out doles and cash to people who appear to be poor (some of which really are and some who are not). The role of the church is to change hearts and lives.
More specifically, the most valuable role the church can play is to preach up the work ethic that we once had in this culture, and stand by that truthful and valuable message. That will do far more than any government can do for the needy, even a leftist pretentious socialist gov’t.
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#28:
Jesus was not only confronted with human suffering, he experienced it on our behalf. His mission was not merely to absolve suffering but to embrace it as a “man of sorrows” himself–on our behalf.
Yes, he could do something about suffering and he did on many occasions. But his mission was to do something about sin–which is far far far far far far wose than suffering. The experience of suffering is earthly and temporary. The consequences of suffering are also temporal. The consequences of sin are eternal.
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#28 wrote; “He [Jesus] did not inquire of anybody’s faith before he healed them.”
That’s not necessarily so. His interest was far more in their faith than in quick physical fixes. He often observed great faith before healing them, and even said that their faith had made them well.
Christian love is not reserved for certain professing Christians. It may include tough love too in some circumstances. And “tough love” is NOT necessarily the same thing as turning one’s back on anyone.
Jesus submitted himself to God and His plan, which was built on a much bigger picture than humans could see at the time. He did not primarily embrace a mere material mission, or a temporary one. His kingdom was far far far too great and eternal for such small picture thinking. God always does His best work when we cannot see it, or when we think he should be doing it differently.
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#33 – “The rich harm the poor by monopolizing the benefits of our social contract.”
This is an irresponsibly prejudicial statement about a category of diverse human beings that is too easy to throw stones at with impunity. It is simply not true of huge amounts of people who are rich. Many who are rich actually increase and spread out the benefits they create with their work and wealth. As JFK said, “A rising tide lifts all the boats.”
If there are exceptions to this, then deal with them specifically, not categorically. And prove your case honestly
As far as the term “rich” goes, most who are considered in poverty today would fit that category in any other generation.
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* “Wealth is worthless in the day of wrath, but righteousness delivers from death.” ~ Proverbs 11:4.
* “Trust in your money and down you go! Trust in God and flourish as a tree.” ~ Proverbs 11:28 (The Living Bible–paraphrase).
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Taxes are indeed a moral issue. I know of no prominent or responsible believer who condemns them outright and universally. The morality of taxation has to do with the extent of them and the circumstances under which they are applied. Government can be greedy too and that is desperately immoral.
Biblically speaking…
* Galatians 6:5. “for each one should carry his own load.”
* 2 Thessalonians 3:10-12. “For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: ‘If a man will not work, he shall not eat.’ We hear that some among you are idle. They are not busy; they are busybodies. Such people we command and urge in the Lord Jesus Christ to settle down and earn the bread they eat.”
(This presumes they can keep most of the bread they earn.)
* 2 Timothy 2:6. “The hard-working farmer ought to be the first to receive his share of the crops.”
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And it is simply not true that the US Constitution gives Congress the unlimited power to tax the rich and spend this money for what it considers to be the common welfare. The US Constitution is primarily about LIMITING the power of the government.
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Over the last 30 years, virtually all of the growth in income in America has been obtained by those receiving the top percentiles of income. Everyone else is working harder and longer for less, or not at all. Our market economy doesn’t respect gleaner laws — on the contrary. Jesus said a worker is worth his hire, not just what what an employer can get away with paying. Jesus never said a fair wage was a contractual wage, and he doesn’t seem to have thought in that fashion.
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But Scroop, you can’t effectively legislate that. You can’t MAKE an employer pay exactly what a worker is worth. The whole effort should be in changing people’s hearts so that they want to pay what a person is worth. AND give people the freedom to leave that job and go to another if the employer isn’t paying what people are worth. When that employer is left with derelicts for employees and no one else…you bet he/she will start paying people better.
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The US Constitution divides the powers of government but doesn’t limit them. This division separates the functions of the branches, but does not limit their several or combined scope. Ironically, the separation of powers made the federal government more powerful, as well as better, in comparison with “tyrannical’ monarchies. The Constitution leaves the size of government up to Congress. “Limited government” is Tea Party jargon, not the language of the Constitution.
President Washington effectively smashed the shackles of Tea Party theory when he created a Federal bank, despite objections that the US Constitution didn’t authorize such a thing. Washington also sent federal troops into the frontier to arrest tax resisters who were forming committees of correspondence, passing resolutions against taxes, taking over local militias, and confiscating the orders of tax collectors.
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But, elections can limit them and that’s what the Tea Party is advocating for. They want to take a constitutional route to change government into something that allows the maximum amount of freedom. Freedom to make enough money to employ other people and freedom to choose who you will be employed with. Our market ecomony has produced a comfortable lifestyle for even those we call poor (again, compared to much of the world) and insisting on more government control because there are people getting richer leads to a Russia or a Cuba. And as you can see, there isn’t anywhere that the income gap isn’t happening.
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I agree that government can’t legislate an ethos of fraternity in the market. As a pro-business, democratic socialist, I concede that train has left the station. Nevertheless, fraternity remains a most necessary and appropriate ethos for an economy (above equality and freedom). Government can make rules to mitigate the harm that free markets inflict upon their own participants and other persons. Government can take a franchise from capitalists in return for the benefits of doing business and then use that money for the purposes of society, including fraternity.
The arguments I’m trying to use for “big government” follow libertarian principles. We have a century-long, constitutional “contract” with the government. If you incorporate in the USA and earn money here, you are subject to taxes, just like you must pay MacDonalds a franchise fee if you erect golden arches over your hamburger stand. The primary test of a contract is mutual benefit. High collection of income taxes is correlated with high prosperity.
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#39 is simply not true. Income levels for African – Americans in particular have grown a lot in the last 30 years, ESPECIALLY during the Reagan era. The rich got richer and so did the poor.
As JFK said, a rising tides lifts all the boats.
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#41 – also not true. To divide the powers is itself one of the many ways in which the US Consituition limits the powers of politicians and gov’t.
The main purpose of the Constitution was to limit the powers of Gov’t and enhance the power of “We the people…”
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To divide powers is to allocate functions, not limit them. Lungs can’t reproduce and sexual organs can’t breathe, but specialized organs enable animals to respire and reproduce all the more vigorously. The Constitution indeed puts government in the hands of We the People as an instrument of our sovereignty – and then leaves the purpose and manner of that use up us. The Constitution does not make that instrument a dull knife. The Constitution never expresses the purpose of limiting the size or scope of the functions of legislation, execution, and adjudication. Breathe, but not too much. Be fruitful and multiply, but not too much.
You don’t hear any limit in the words, “The Congress shall have Power – To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.” Patrick Henry complained that this language was a gimmick for limitless Federal power.
George Washington promptly proved Patrick Henry right when he turned the Necessary and Proper Clause into exactly such a gimmick.
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The preacher’s logic could lead him to the conclusion that Christ has distributed separate and distinct gifts among His members in order to limit the power of His body, the Church.
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Scroop, you know not of what you speak. To divide the powers is precisely to limit them. And that is one of many ways the US Constitution limits and defines the power of gov’t. Those who drafted the Constitution were tired of tyranny and they were quite concerned about ensuring we would not fall into it again in the name of good gov’t.
Wasn’t it Obama or some other prominent Dem who recently said something about how much they could do if they could just suspend the Consitutioin for a day. Do any of you remember that soundbyte about a year ago?
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The First Amendment: “Congress shall make no law…” (just one of many examples of how the Constitution and its amendements limit the powers of gov’t–and this example is one that leftists willfully refuse to follow).
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Gov’t is fundamentally about power. It must be able to enforce it’s laws and policies and it does. The secret to America’s greatness is that there is so much MORE to us than government and that we want that power limited so that the people can thrive in liberty. But this requires that the people themselves are vitally animated with a level of faith and morality (freely held and embraced) that brings decency to the fore without the need for burdensome laws and excesive enforcements asnd social engineering.
But we are losing the faith and that is why tyranny and excessive power in the hands of politicians is on our heels.
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Scroopy, you have to read the Constitution. The powers are enumerated. Those and those ONLY. Our government has taken to ignoring those limitations. If the power isn’t there, they take it — and The People are beginning to realize that.
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Enumerations of indeterminacy!
The Congress shall have Power
To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States . .
To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States. . .
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin. . .
And,
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
Look it up, dear ones. The only “limitations” expressed in Article I, Sec. 8 require taxes to be uniform among the States and restrict appropriations to two years (presumably so that the next Congress can review them).
The wise Framers inscribed no limit on taxes, spending, borrowing, regulating, or playing with the value of money and exchange rates! (They gave Congress bold, imperial power over Washington DC and the anticipated new territories–no fit pretension for a limited government.)
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The Constitution doesn’t say that Congress shall make no law.
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“Do not think me mad. It is not to make money that I believe a Christian should live. The noblest thing a man can do is, just humbly to receive, and then go amongst others and give.”
~ David Livingstone
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Rather than strain at gnats and inadvertently swallow a camel, wouldn’t it be best to give by compassion, love and the leading of the Holy Spirit?
If we do so, even over and above the tax, won’t we be blessed with more seed for sowing and bread for eating? Let Caesar be entangled in the affairs of deciding who deserves the government dole.
That might save us a lot of arm wrestling over the letter of some supposed law as to who the recipients should be of our personal giving.
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