Government overreach at the airport
Rep. John Boehner, R-Ohio, flies coach between his district and Washington, D.C. He says he always has, and as speaker of the House he always will. That’s a democratic man. Perhaps it’s just a democratic politician who knows where the votes are, but let’s give him the benefit of the doubt.
But democratic sensibilities were shocked on Friday when we learned that this man of the people, though he sits with the people on the plane, does not stand with the people when they’re getting “patted down” in the security line.
I say, good for him!
It would be absurd for anyone with a security clearance to come and go on Capitol Hill as he pleases to be frisked before he boards a plane. As a congressman and soon-to-be speaker, just two heartbeats away from the presidency, he is invested with the public trust. Obviously we trust him not to blow up a plane.
The politician’s reflexive response to this sort of revelation is usually to back off from his privilege and resolve to undergo all the indignities and absurdities that everyone else has to suffer, at least until the story blows over. But for his own sake and for the country’s sake, Boehner should stand his ground and, with whatever time he doesn’t spend trying to defeat a major tax increase in January, he should champion this issue.
Here’s what he should say, firmly punctuating each point with an accusing finger:
Of course I don’t get patted down and felt up! I’m a United States congressman! By this I mean only that I’m obviously not a terrorist! But that doesn’t make me different. Most people who fly are obviously not terrorists. Almost no one should be subjected to this kind of treatment just so they can do what hundreds of millions of people have done for the last half century—fly in a plane.
Just about everyone can see this except the president and those few people in his administration who are responsible for this ridiculous policy that humiliates ordinary and obviously law-abiding Americans while doing nothing at all to improve our safety. The president should recognize this by changing the TSA screening policy immediately.
I am suggesting that Boehner take up this issue as a fight for constitutional liberty. The Fourth Amendment to the Constitution reads:
“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”
The sense of this is clearly that government’s chief function is to secure us in our persons and property against murder, molestation, and theft. Accordingly, we provide in our Constitution against the temptation of government to creep into this sphere of private liberty, no matter how honorable the goals may seem.
In a sense it is true that people don’t have to fly if they don’t like having to choose between electronic undressing and being groped. But as people’s lives are spread out across the country, whether for business or for the holidays, many people don’t have a choice, practically speaking. Is it really an option to take four days to travel to Wyoming for Thanksgiving to see your mother instead of one day?
Government overreach was central to the anger that moved so many voters to turn people out of office in the recent midterm election. Poking around in people’s private places without any reasonable cause to suspect they are carrying a bomb gives “government reach” a whole new meaning.

















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I am a conservative and respect John Ashcroft. However, I was concerned about the loss of freedom with the Patriot Act. What’s next, “Fly Naked”?
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I continue to think that this whole thing is a means to further control of the populous.
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We need one of these people who has been embarrassed beyond belief (or heck, a whole group of them for a class action) to sue on 4th Am. grounds. This is a GUARANTEE for crying out loud, they’ve committed no crime, there is not even a reasonable suspicion that they committed a crime.
What’s next? You shed your clothes and wear a jumpsuit they give you after they’ve body cavity searched you.
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Did they pat down Nancy before she boarded her plane. I’m sure the pilots and staff wanted to feel safer.
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There are lawsuits of fourth amendment violations that are being reported.
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I think we should designate Nov 24 as
a national “Don’t Touch My Junk” day…
Or perhaps “Wear your Kilt to the Airport” day…
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Amendment 4 – Search and Seizure
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
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GOOD!
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Someone I saw while channel surfing last night said that, in 10 years of this nonsense, not one explosive has been found by the TSA during scanning or pat-down. Have any of you ever heard even a rumor of explosives being found? I haven’t, and I’m a bit of a news junkie. I agree that it’s real purpose is to make sheep of all of us. For proof of that, I offer the results of polls I heard in the last couple of days that say between 67 & 71 percent of the people think the TSA’s actions are keeping us safe.
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I’ve also heard that almost every terrorist that did get on a plane could have been stopped by profiling.
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Funny how so many people were all for intense security when a Republican was in the White House.
Now it’s “government overreach.” I’m sure it’s a consistent and principled position, though darned if I can see how.
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GWB wasn’t touching people.
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CTL has a valid point.
The TSA and its inexorable move toward penning the sheeple began under President Bush, not President Obama. TSA’s* porno-scanners and physical sexual assaults are just some of its longer-to-ripen but inevitable fruit.
It’s long past time that the Bush apologists owned up to that fact.
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*Total Sexual Assault
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And lo and behold, in the time it took me to post (13), a Bush apologist tosses two cents in the kitty.
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I was just telling Mrs. Frank that “Don’t touch my junk” ought to be the slogan of the 21st Century Gadsden Flag.
But as is often the case, I’m at least a week behind the curve.
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The Feddle Gubmint violates the Fourth Amendment under Bush: “Just sit down and shut up! Don’t you know we’re fighting a Global War on Terror?!”
The Feddle Gubmint violates the Fourth Amendment under Obama: “OMG!! A free people shouldn’t have to TOLERATE this!!”
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No one is arguing that Frank, but there are limits. There is that word “reasonable.” And there’s nothing reasonable about this when there is an alternative — honestly profiling the way the Israelis do. Obama has gone too far when he allows the touching of Americans’ private parts, and he knows it. There’s nothing reasonable about that Or didn’t they teach the 4th Am. in Con Law when he went to law school? He knows better.
This isn’t them following my GPS for a “short” time without a warrant. This is the government sticking its fingers in my underwear.
Reducing the protest against this to mere politics is what is wrong with this country. And you’re no better than the liberals.
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This isn’t the government listening in on my phone calls, or my emails, or my bank records. This is my body’s integrity.
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This isn’t a debate about Miranda Rights being read to suspected terrorists, this is about my junk.
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NJL: Why are you so willing to surrender an expectation of privacy for your phone calls, emails and bank records?
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I’m not. I’m the person who doesn’t get the grocery store card because I don’t want them knowing what I eat. And I resent that they have ruled that no warrant is needed to follow me via my GPS, except for “long” periods of time. I resent a great deal, but I have accepted the court cases that have approved these things. But my PERSON is a different matter.
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IF you would let the People in Charge use profiling, you would not be having these issue.
exmaple – Alert looking for a whie man 6Ft 5 in his 20’s or 30’s. Well then women would not stopped…. but you can not do that in Obama World contol by PC Controls…
So you are going to have this….
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Re the new pat-downs and x-rays:
I find it interesting that MEN are the ones writing that either of those are ok with them and that we just have to get over it if we want to fly. THEY want to be flying safe.
Not everyone is subjected to this ABUSE. Random picks of grandmothers, women and children are going TOO FAR.
I call it ABUSE because a YOUNG GIRL who has her monthly thing would be TOTALLY EMBARRASSED to be patted down or x-rayed!!!
Especially if the person patting her down wants to know why she is hiding something under her clothing!!!
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I still say hire Israel to guard our flights and leave the choice to them about who to molest at the airport.
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There is an OBVIOUS difference between listening in on my cell phone call or email if a key word crops up and doing these body searches. Someone has to be pretty warped by politics not to acknowledge that. That being said, I really don’t care if they x-ray me and my nakedness shows up on a screen somewhere…but I don’t like the idea of being hit with radiation often. Luckily I don’t fly a lot. And…Bush may have been on the front end of acquiring these procedures, but a lot of information has flowed into our brain trusts since then. Obama should be the one who is smart enough to do what is effective, knowing what we know now.
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Mrs. News2Me (23): “monthly thing” is “menstrual period,” I think we can handle that here.
Ken Bland
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She was trying to be discreet. I thought about the same thing when they said 12 and under wouldn’t be searched. No 12 year old girl wants to be searched either. It’s a horrid embarrassment.
The searches hinge on “reasonable.” I think they are unreasonable when there is a workable solution which has already been proven to be successful by the Israelis.
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Once the gov’t reacted to 9/11 with the patriot act, warrentless wiretaps and searches, and other intrusive actions, the die was cast. In reaction to the shoe bomber we had to take our shoes off. And in reaction to the underwear bomber, they want to see our underwear.
I think we all agre there are better ways of accomplishing the same thing. Better trained guards using behaviourial profiling should accomplish the same task.
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And we will fight for that. Political correctness must die.
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Discrimination is a good thing: it’s how to distinguish this from that. CD-quality sound and hi-def TV are the result of better discrimination.
Airport searches are indiscriminate, presuming all to be potential terrorists.
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NJL: The only political correctness you think is correct is that dictated by the Republican Party. If you think intercepting and storing every electronic transmission in the country was “reasonable” yet a pat down search while boarding a potential “weapon of mass destruction” is not, you have some curious values.
Judging from your comments, you are already somewhat more circumspect than most with respect to them and what they know. Yet you somehow find it acceptable and reasonable for them to have access to every phone call you make?
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#13 Frank “CTL has a valid point”
You are both arguing a double standard by Republicans as though that addresses the issue. It addresses nothing. Liberals were screaming bloody murder about the Patriot Act under Bush and still are, but are completely silent as Obama keeps all of it and adds much, much more.
Obama seeks warrantless tracking of the whereabouts of all citizens and to read all private emails. Now the government is groping people, laughing at naked images and putting them on the Internet. What do liberals have to say? Absolutely nothing.
With Obama, everything is a crisis and every crisis is simply a way to increase the power and reach of government. There is no limit to the amount of government intrusiveness liberals will celebrate as long as a Democrat is the one doing it.
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And it’s not just this particular use that should worry us. The administration has already admitted that they want to expand use of these tactics to train stations and bus depots and even possibly local transit hubs and subways. Even cruise ship passengers would be subjected to this kind of harassment. And as if that isn’t enough, even driving in your CAR wouldn’t be exempt; there is talk about setting up checkpoints for random screening! Not to mention that several agencies have admitted to deploying X ray vans that use the new technology to randomly scan passing vehicles! I disagree with NJLawyer in this instance, I want the government the hell out of my personal business completely. I am not comfortable with complete strangers knowing my personal details without my consent under ANY circumstances.
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I doubt that we are really in disagreement Barracuda. You’re talking to someone who deeply resents the idea that a traffic camera can take a picture of you taking that last second to go through a light. I don’t have easy pass because I resent them knowing where I’ve been.
I am beginning to believe that Americans will accept just about anything. If they tolerate the airport screenings, the rest will follow. We really need a LOT of lawsuits to stop this. As they control us here, and you read about how the UN and other countries want our country to give up its freedoms and join the rest of the world — I’m glad I’m getting old.
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Arcadia, Echelon has existed for a long time. I have no control over any of this any more than the rest of you. I don’t like any of it.
If any of you were paying attention this past election cycle, you would have read that I feel both parties have sold us out. Now, it is true that I think the Dems are far worse, but the Rs are well on their way. Yet you, Arcadia, and others, can’t even fathom the idea that the Dems do bad things. You are so bent on destroying the Rs that you can’t see what the left is really doing and what it has done — sold us into slavery. And they get R votes to do it, too.
You really have to get this Dem v. R thing OUT of your heads before it’s too late.
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The deeper truth, however, is that you have forsaken God and have opened yourselves up to relying on mere humans for protection. You have destroyed everything this country has stood for — hard work and personal responsibility, and of course FAMILY! People used to KNOW the difference between right and wrong. Now, we have destroyed the social system so much that we need a law to regulate the simplest things we do.
You have chosen to take the inalienable rights we have from God and alienate them. You’ve sold them and us into slavery.
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NJLawyer (27): I really wasn’t trying to be hypercritical, it’s just that I have a strong aversion to the use of euphemisms and try to avoid them. It’s not “gay,” it’s “homosexual”; it’s not “passed away” or “passed,” it’s “died”; it’s not “bun in the oven,” it’s “pregnant”; it’s not “inventory leakage,” it’s “theft”; and I cringe when I hear them. We are attempting to state facts in such a way that nobody could possibly, under no conditions whatever, take offense. Peacemakers.
And I apologize for wordiness, another pet peeve of mine.
Enjoy your Thanksgiving Day.
Ken Bland
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So, I take it that you don’t like quantitative easing, you think it’s printing more money.
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And with respect to No. 27 — it’s not wordiness, it’s a girl thing.
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xion
check out some left wing sites, you will find that they are not impressed with Obama’s continuation of Bush tactics.
NJL
As someone who teaches Health: Growth and Development, I concur with Allen Wrench — use the proper words. And 12 year old girls have no problem using the correct terms (12 year old boys on the other hand…..) and using them when speaking with adults. They are very comfortable using their period as an excuse for being late to class, taking an inordinate time to the washroom, etc.
The In fact most think its ridiculous to hide the fact with silly terms such as monthly visitor, etc.
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#40 HRW “xion, check out some left wing sites, you will find that they are not impressed with Obama’s continuation of Bush tactics.”
Notice how you said that? You said it perfectly. That is exactly how the left characterizes it. If it is evil, then Bush or some other Republican is behind it. Obama never does anything wrong, rather he takes too long to repeal the evils of Bush.
Obama’s dramatic increase of government and military power and decrease of privacy are for the most part argued by the left as good and necessary. The left’s criticism of Obama is usually that he didn’t do more faster. All the war protesters have gone home. The hypocrisy of the left is legion.
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Unfortunately, this is an issue where you’re either on the side of liberty, or, unwittingly, of course, on the side of oppression. For you folks who don’t mind getting patted and scanned in the service of the perceived greater good of safety, I will speak in the words of Sam Adams: “If you love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands, which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”
And Ben Franklin: “Any society that exchanges a little liberty for a little security deserves neither and will lose both.” (paraphrased)
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“check out some left wing sites, you will find that they are not impressed with Obama’s continuation of Bush tactics.”
And you were so blind not to see that coming? I spouted it for weeks thats all you were gonna get, but worse.
The problem is, McCain wasnt gonna be any better either.
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This is all just sick and useless. But I don’t expect the freedom-hating government to give up any of their new powers. The best I think we could hope for is a partial repeal. Seeing as how Napolitano is considering an opt-out for muslim women, how about extending the same protection to sexual assault victims, babies in diapers, autistic children, amputees, cancer surviviors, people still struggling with cancer, pregnant Mums, disabled people in wheelchairs, christian women who don’t ever intend to blow up the plane they are flying on (like myself)…
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