Would Jesus register Republican?
It’s mildly entertaining, but nonetheless welcome, to see media talking heads debate what Jesus would do in politics.
On Hardball with Chris Matthews, Rep. Jim McDermott, D-Wash., recently scolded Christians for celebrating Jesus at Christmastime while opposing an extension of unemployment insurance benefits for another year:
To McDermott—whether speaking as an insider or an outsider to the religion, I don’t know—devotion to Jesus requires using the welfare state to support the unemployed in a way that arguably increases the time that people spend in unemployment.
Bill O’Reilly took him to task in a column titled “Keep Christ in Unemployment.” O’Reilly wrote, “There comes a time when compassion can cause disaster. If you open your home to scores of homeless folks, you will not have a home for long. There is a capacity problem for every noble intent.” Giving that destroys the giver’s capacity to give while at the same time failing to help the needy in any meaningful way is not biblical love, but well-intentioned folly.
But O’Reilly was especially provocative with his closing comment: “The Lord helps those who help themselves. Does he not?” You won’t find that in Proverbs or anywhere else in the Bible, but there is an element of truth in Ben Franklin’s words. God has set us in a world that is rich with potential, and told us to “have dominion” over it.
But in our prosperity Jesus tells us to have a charitable heart for those in need. Stephen Colbert reminded us of this as he mocked O’Reilly for his reflections (warning: blasphemous humor):
Jesus Is a Liberal Democrat www.colbertnation.com
Irreverent jesting aside, Colbert’s routine is a real conversation starter. He affirms the deity of Christ and the sacrificial nature of His work on the cross. You don’t see a lot of that on Comedy Central. And he is right that Christians should give sacrificially. But the example of Christ’s redeeming love was not an exhortation to acts of fruitless or even counter-productive self-destruction, whether as states or as individuals.
Here is O’Reilly’s response on The O’Reilly Factor:
They’re talking about the government’s role in helping the poor, and even the technicalities of how best to deliver services, but behind it all is the question of how Jesus would have us order our politics.
No one asks about the politics of Muhammad. They are perfectly plain in the Sharia Law of Islam and the autocracies of the Middle East. Nor are the politics of Moses in doubt. The Law he gave Israel contained not only moral and ceremonial elements, but also a complete civil law.
But Jesus is remarkably different. While having fundamentally transformed the world—and continuing to transform it—He did not come with a primarily political agenda. But what He did and what He taught (and what His apostles and prophets taught) has profound implications for political life as they do for all of life.
But it is maddeningly frustrating, especially for a political theorist, that He did not give us a specific form of government and a civil law for redeemed life under the New Covenant. Would Jesus be a Democrat or a Republican? Or would He be leading the Tea Party? Would He be American at all?
Aha! That reveals the answer, doesn’t it? Jesus does not belong to this or that nation, much less to a political party (Joshua 5:13-14). Rather, He calls every nation, party, and person to belong to Him, kiss Him, and conform to His righteousness (Psalm 2:7-12).
In my judgment, the principles of the Republican Party conform more perfectly to biblical teachings than the politics of the Democratic Party do. But because all the kingdoms of men in this fallen world come far short of the Kingdom of God, every party and platform has a justice gap that calls for critical biblical assessment. That gap is sometimes wider and sometimes narrower. But you can be sure it is always there.
With new battle lines on Capitol Hill, with the Republican presidential primaries kicking into gear, and with the nation as in need of God’s blessing as it ever has been, this is a welcome conversation.

















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No. He wouldn’t register.
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And Jesus would expect a person to husband his/her resources and spend money wisely — so no, he wouldn’t be a liberal democrat and put the country in hoc, or even a republican and put the country in a little less hoc.
WHEN will they learn Jesus is not about politics at all?
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NJLawyer post 1,
I am inclined to agree with you: Jesus would plausibly not register.
Unto Ceasar that which is Ceasar’s and unto God that which is God’s come to mind. There are others.
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I’m sure Rep. McDermott feels very compassionate and “Christian” by offering to extend unemployment benefits to “the needy.” Unfortunately, he has kept his job (for now) and doesn’t know the degradation of unemployment (yet).
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When either side brings Jesus into a political debate, they are out of bounds. Neither Jesus, nor Paul, nor Peter, nor John has any statement on types of government. Jesus once called Herod, “that fox”, (I think it was, but he didn’t condemn nor promote any form of government. His kingdom was/is not of this world. Someday he will return and set up a kingdom, but that’s another story.
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NO
And what IS a Republican anyway?
Isn’t it JUST a person who thinks the people in his district will vote for him if he signs in under the REPUBLICAN mantle?
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Jesus wasn’t an American, so this isn’t particularly germane. I think he would register, since his family did follow the ruling authorities and go to Bethlehem for the census. I figure he’d be an Independent like me.
What he wouldn’t be is involved in politics and I resent both sides claiming Jesus as their guiding light rather than being changed by knowing him and applying his truths to their governing. That’s what I believe it means to be a Christian in politics.
I’m just thankful He transcends it all.
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People get laid off for economic reasons.
They try to find new jobs, but the same economic reasons make that very difficult.
They take unemployment benefits, which are around 25%-30% of what they had once made in salary, meaning it can be very difficult to pay existing mortgages and bills. But it’s the only income they have, so they spend very carefully, watching their savings dwindle. and hoping and praying to find a new job before the money runs out.
They reach the end of the 26-week period and lose their access to the unemployment benefit.
I’ve been hearing about how the unemployed are living the high life on their benefit checks and should not get the benefit because it discourages them from finding new jobs. Nobody who’s ever actually had to try to live on unemployment checks could believe such nonsense.
As for the government’s proper role, well, Jesus said to care for the widows and orphans and the poor, and he didn’t ever say anything pro or con about using the government as a vehicle to do it. That’s a political question, not a spiritual or religious one.
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Conanthelibrarian = not a reliable exegete.
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As for the government’s proper role, well, Jesus said to care for the widows and orphans and the poor, and he didn’t ever say anything pro or con about using the government as a vehicle to do it. That’s a political question, not a spiritual or religious one.
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Jesus was talking about the Church taken care of them not a governmnent that enslaves its people to hand outs.
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Why Jesus would not be a Dem
1. The Dem support the killing of babies – Jesus support life.
2, The Dem support same sex marriage and sexual sins – Jesus support marriage between a man and a woman, and sexs within the frame work.
Why Jesus would not be a Republican?
1. The Republicans say one thing then break their words – Jesus saud let your yes be yes and your no be no.
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everyone would like to claim Jesus as their own. I’d like to think he would make a good socialist but most here would disagree
Islam has a similar divergence of thought when discussing appropriate political and economic systems.
Colbert is a practicing Catholic who frequently teaches Sunday School when he’s home.
As for extending Unemployment, whether its Christian or not is a moot point, economically it’s a good use of money since it goes right back into the economy as opposed to tax cuts for the rich which could be banked or spent overseas. And rarely does someone who previously held a steady job want to remain permanently unemployed.
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I really don’t think Jesus would register at all. He didn’t interfere in the governments of his day. It is NOT a legal requirement that a person vote. As noted, he was not an American. It’s a little amusing to think of him as an American facing the media we have today.
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If you know who Jesus is, it is laughable to think that he would even care about politics. Not his mission.
Conan and I agree about unemployment — no one can live on that.
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NJLawyer – Which group of people was Jesus the hardest on?
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Well, there’s a no-brainer, Pastor Roy!
LAWYERS! But in our defense, I will remind you that it was lawyers who took Christ down from the cross.
(We were told that during Mass before graduation. Needless to say when I told a minister from afar off, that last bit didn’t go over too well. When I told him I finished law school, I got: “what were you doing in a place like that?” Knowing Congress is filled with lawyers, one wonders….)
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NJLawyer – it was the religious leader of His time and they were the people in charge of the nation. Roman wanted to keep them happy, the reason if they were happy, they would keep the people in line.
So Jesus did question the leader of His time. In His own way.
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I believe, Jesus, would tell both parties in power to repent, turn sin, make decision with the fear of God in mind. Look to God for guidance and direction and not to man. Resist evil an its desire to control and encourage the people to look to God for help not man.
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I believe, Jesus, would tell both parties in power to repent, turn FROM sin, make decision with the fear of God in mind. Look to God for guidance and direction and not to man. Resist evil an its desire to control and encourage the people to look to God for help not man.
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I don’t see how it’s relevant that no one can live on unemployment–it shouldn’t be enough to replace a full income and let people be comfortable. But for those who live well within their means as a matter of course, it should be enough to keep them from bankruptcy or repossession or anything of the sort.
Instead of, say:
20% to savings
10% to giving
30% to taxes
10% to luxuries or things one can do without,
one can devote close to 100% of unemployment to necessary spending, and supplement it (if needed) with some of the savings from the better years.
And it isn’t the government’s fault if a family spends 100% (or more) of its income, and thus has no savings and no ability to “cut back” without selling the house or losing it.
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Not sure if he would register Republican, but he would probably vote a straight Republican ticket, even if the candidates were pro-choice, because that would be good strategy.
Oh, that was sarcasm.
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I find the question sort of bogus to begin with. Jesus came at the exact time in history that he did by divine purpose. Fully divine he was yet fully human, meaning his human development occurred in a specific context. Though God, Jesus was a man of his time.
So to ask, “What 21st century American party would Jesus support,” is sort of meaningless since the incarnate Jesus never existed as part of 21st century America. If he had been born in Peoria, Ill. in 1980 and begun his ministry in 2010 then we’d be talking about a different Jesus than the one we know.
That said, as I think about what Jesus must think about the current political climate, I’m reminded of the fact that what he seemed primarily concerned with while on earth was the status of peoples’ hearts. More important than the party one supports are the reasons why one supports that party. Basically, “Is your heart in the right place?”
Using that as the standard, my personal feeling is that he’d have a bigger beef with the typical “values” Republican than with, say, a pro-life Democrat. That’s not to say Democratic fiscal policy isn’t destructive; it may well be. As wrong as they may be about the proper way to address social ills, Democratic voters seem to “have their hearts in the right place” to a greater degree than Republican voters.
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Jesus was intensely political and quite vocal about it too. Political leaders killed him for it too.
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Jesus was expressly critical of both the Pharisees AND Saducees, both of which were as political as you could get in that culture where there was no sense of a separation between religion and civic realms and interests. I think Jesus would feel rather free in today’s era to register however he saw fit. But he would bring ethics and dignity to whichever side he elected to work with. And the leaders of iether party would probably try to kill him before too long.
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I think that a better question should be what charities Rep. McDermott supports and what percentage of his income does he give to the unemployed?
The most important questoin of all is whether McDermott has confessed Jesus as His Lord and Savior, since He apparently admires Him so much?
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“The Lord helps those who help themselves. Does he not?”
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One does have to pop the lid of a can of sardines purchased via food stamps. This provides access to the precious snack therein.
Once consumed, all is handled due to the spiritual realities behind the existence of every living cell.
As a matter of fact, without spiritual realities behind every step of the aforementioned process, “helping yourself” is simply
an absurd concept.
“Who being the brightness of [his] glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;” (Heb 1:3)
Next lesson..
..how Moses worked “real hard” to part the sea. And did he work
harder than those tough-guy Egyptians?
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“The Lord helps those who help themselves. Does he not?”
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I trust Benny worked real hard to qualify for resurrection.
We’ll see.
:-O
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There are two logical flaws in Rep McDermott’s argument. First, Jesus’ words were not directed at governments, but at individuals, whom he commanded to love their neighbors. Second, Rep. McDermott’s program of compassion doesn’t involve him giving anything of his, but his taking from person A to give to person B. That basically sums up the Democrat Party’s way of thinking. “Look at that poor guy without any stuff. Let’s give him some of your stuff.”
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I should add that the Democrat’s program of stealing from Peter to pay Paul tends to make people less charitable, not more.
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The Pharasees and Sadducees mixed religion and politics, they were the religious lawyers — that’s why one of the Gospels says “woe unto you lawyers.”
How was Jesus political? The kingdom he spoke about what not a temporal kingdom. He sought no political power. Jesus was telling them that following their rules didn’t mean they loved God with all their heart, soul and mind. God is more than rules and laws.
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NJ Lawyer, I think you are operating with a reductionist notion of politics that just does not apply in the real world today. Politics effects human beings. Jesus cares about human beings. Especially today when politics has imposed itself on everything from sexuality, culture, human life, how we make money, who takes our money, how laws are made and enforced and how they are revised. How on earth can a real Christian shun this arena? It is not possible even if you wanted to.
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NJ Lawyer, Jesus cared about the eternal AND the temporal. He fed people, healed them, taught a lot about tax paying and money, how to make it, share it, save it, and more. Jesus was totally connected to the real world in the here and now, including civil and civic leaders and officials. He lived in a way that drew tremendous attention from the political leaders of his day and gave them much to worry about. Jesus also taught about children and marriage and cared about protecting both. He was constantly in conflict with civic authorities like the Pharisees and Saducees and Scribes. The fact that these were religious leaders does not change the fact that they were also civic leaders in every sense of the word in that time and culture. Jesus was highly engaged in politics because he cared about people, society and culture.
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I completely agree with NJL:
“If you know who Jesus is, it is laughable to think that he would even care about politics. Not his mission.”
And I completely disagree with Joel:
“Jesus was intensely political and quite vocal about it too. Political leaders killed him for it too.”
The only act one might coerce with much strain into a political act is when Jesus paid his taxes. He also explained to Pilate where his power ultimately came from. Other than that his life, words and actions are entire devoid of politics.
Jesus was not killed over politics. Pilate wanted to let him go. He was killed for blasphemy by the religious leaders because he claimed to be God.
Jesus aka God is concerned with a man’s heart, not his politics or his money. Progressivism and socialism are fundamentally materialistic. Jesus was not. To liberals, everything is about money and its redistribution.
Jesus said, “A man’s life consists not in the abundance of the things which he possess.” He said, “Lay up treasures in heaven” and Don’t be like the world whose entire existence is about what they will eat and wear. This is liberalism in a nutshell.
Jesus didn’t fix poverty. The wealth he spoke of was not treasure in this life, but the next. Politics is all about this life. His kingdom is in heaven. Politicians who say they want to create heaven on earth in the end create hell on earth.
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The question is not whether Jesus would have Republicans but would Republicans have Jesus.
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Jesus taught more about possessions and money than anyone else in the Bible. I serve a well integrated Lord who cannot be banned from any human sphere.
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Jesus’ mission was not much about money either, but he still taught a lot about it and cared about how we use it and feel about it.
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Jesus was killed by politicians. They felt threatened by him. He was not afraid to make them feel that way either.
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XION, I cannot respect your disagreement with me because you did not understand a thing i wrote nor did you consider it in the least bit carefully or thoughtfully. Just sayin’. I read you comments carefully and i think you are subjecting Jesus to a stark black and white dichotomy that does not apply to his ministry or teaching. Jesus’ main mission was by no means political nor was that a primary concern above all others. But we are simply talking about whether he would be involved in politics or whether or not he cared enough to confront civic and political and religious leaders (the Pharisees and Saduccees were all of those) and let his concerns be known.
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Joel, I am not commenting on you (whom I love as a brother) or your faith (which we hold together in stark agreement). I am merely commenting on your words here as a good friend who needs a bit of a shakeup. If I didn’t know you better I’d think you were going all “social gospel” on us here.
Jesus was/is King of Kings and Lord of Lords. The rulers of this world were mostly inconsequential. They played a minor role as pawns in God’s Grand Demonstration (Read the book of the same name by Jay Adams, a Presbyterian).
To say Jesus wasn’t involved in politics isn’t to say he doesn’t care. It is merely a statement of factual history. He didn’t need to participate in political movements to help the poor or healthcare. He was/is God incarnate. They were fed and healed by his mere presence. He didn’t crawl to politicians to improve Rome; they came to him.
If Jesus came today (in the manner of his first coming, not his second), then he would carry out his mission to die. He wouldn’t solve poverty or health care just as he didn’t last time. In reality, when he comes again he will take over this world and politicians once again will be beholden to him. Next time he won’t get involved in petty politics, he will assume his rightful authority as the creator and ruler of all things.
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Christianity is apolitical. It transcends culture and the affairs of this world. Both communists and capitalists can be Christian. On the one hand, the early church was effectively a commune whereas God’s promise to Israel was that everyone would live under his own vine and fig tree in the land of milk and honey.
God cares about truth, justice, mercy, humility, faith and so on in the inward parts. Poverty is not viewed as a problem, but an opportunity. Whether someone wants to create heaven on earth, as the socialists do, or to maximize freedom as libertarians do or even impose religious morality like some religions do, God can operate in any of those. They aren’t important in the grand scheme of things.
What is important is each individual’s walk with him on the one hand and God’s Grand Plan for this world on the other. His Grand Plan is to allow the world to turn against Israel and for the antichrist to be revealed and for the end to come. As the world turns against God, the last few souls will come to faith in him and then the end will come in which it is all dissolved in fiery heat.
America is not a Christian nation. If given enough time America will turn into Sodom and Gomorrah. Corrupt politicians and Islamic hoardes will cause the fall of America, like barbarians and corruption did to Rome.
This is all very sad and I’ll do what I can to fight government corruption and vote my conscience, but American is going down. The newly elected Republicans won’t change much if anything. History is a long slow march to the left. The more corrupt you are in Washington, the more powerful you become. The more lies you tell, the more people will vote you back in.
But this entire devastating political mess has virtually nothing to do with the church. My participation is mostly from the perspective of reason and logic and I am stunned every day how people can be so easily deceived by empty promises and unintended consequences. My political position is similar to that of John Stossel and Thomas Jefferson, which is that the least government governs best.
From Jesus’ point of view, whether you are rich or poor or sick or healthy that is not what is important. What is important is your heart and your faith and helping others to come to the knowledge of the truth.
The church errs in a big way by getting involved in the cares and affairs of politics. It is a grand waste of time which diverts its attention from the important things in life. The church should be teaching wisdom which transcends the cares and affairs of this life.
The most important things in life aren’t things. That is why the social gospel which amounts to materialism is so contrary to the true mission of the church which is not about treasures in this world, but laying up treasure in the next.
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Imagine Jesus being interviewed on a political talk show. What would he say? It might go something like this…
Reporter: What do you think about the homeless problem?
Jesus: “Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay his head.”
Reporter: Do you think we should give tax breaks to the wealthy?
Jesus: “Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal, but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal.”
Reporter: Should we increase welfare to help the poor and feed the hungry?
Jesus: Do not be anxious, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ For the world seeks after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them all. But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.”
And so, in other words, political solutions would never even be discussed as an option by Jesus. His solution to every problem is himself and the wisdom of God.
For this reason I would be perfectly content if there were very little government at all. It has very little to do with the truly important things in life and when it does it only makes things worse.
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# 41″——I would be perfectly content if there were very little government at all. It has very little to do with the truly important things in life and when it does it only makes things worse.”
A great big AMEN to this concept!!!
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Jesus would support the same party he did then…the party of sinners who need a savior.
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“If given enough time America will turn into Sodom and Gomorrah.”
We’re pretty much there now. And it’s not just politicians. The People are complicit. They may be restless now and many may be realizing how bad things have gotten, but this last election may have been too late.
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Good posts Xion. I agree.
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“Jesus would support the same party he did then…the party of sinners who need a savior.”
Well said Thorn.
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XION, nothing I wrote lends the slightest hint to me being anywhere near and “social gospel” agenda. Again, I am agrieved at how poorly you are reading my comments.
The rulers of this world are not inconsequential. They profoundly affect the lifes and fates of real human beings in significant ways. But they cannot offer salvation beyond this world.
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XION wrote; “Christianity is apolitical.”
That is a gnostic statement through and through.
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XION & Matt Y, the whole message of Christmas is that Jesus did NOT totally transcend culture and the affairs of this world. He came and took on flesh in the material world and fully engaged with the leading forces of culture, politics and life in the real world.
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XION wrote; “America is not a Christian nation.”
We agree. But it was indeed founded as a Christian nation with a largely secular government. But the Constitution is wholly inadequate to governing an immoral and unChristian nation such as ours is at this time.
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XION, why on earth would you do what you can to fight government corruption and vote your conscience if indeed Jesus is not concerned politics or money and Christianity is apolitical and if such matters are inconsequential?
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XION wrote; “The church errs in a big way by getting involved in the cares and affairs of politics.”
If the church and preachers with moral courage did not get involved in the cares and affairs of politics, then the Salem Witch Trials would have gone on MUCH longer and so would have slavery.
The VAST majority of people who claim to be Christians also vehemently hate it when preachers have the moral courage to challenge sin in the realm of culture and politics.
XION, I refuse to be such a moral coward with my calling from God.
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But the eternal gospel always lies at the core of my preaching and my ministry. I know that this world is ultimately not our home. But I still cannot stand by silently or inactive when human lives are being decimated by sin and it’s arrogant justifications in personal, social, intellectual, political AND other shperes.
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Joel Mark, please explain your post at 48.
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XION and MATT Y,
I follow the Jesus of the gospels. My impression is that leftists follow a notion of a Jesus primarily offering material comfort and benefits and they deny or downplay his spiritual mission and his gifts of forgiveness and eternal life.
But too many on the right follow a gnostic notion of a Jesus that largely floats above the material world and is not really vitally concerned with political matters or things that pertain to the material world or the flesh (which gnosticism regards as essentially unreal or somehow evil).
The left often perverts Jesus and Christianity and the right tends to dehumanize Jesus and Christianity, in my view.
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As to whether Jesus would register with a party, it depends on whether he might want to participate in the primary elections (before the general elections) in order to have a say in getting better candidates in place for the larger election.
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Would Jesus associate with Republicans?
Well, considering how some leading Republicans acted and voted in this lame duck session, we must keep in mind that Jesus did associate with prostitutes.
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#48 Joel So now I’m a heretic? Gee that’s the second time a Presbyterian called me that on this web site. Others have called me worse.
I believe what you are doing is equating politics with “the physical world”. And disregarding politics is akin to asceticism or gnosticism which calls the physical world evil. Wow, when did I ever do that?
My point was that people of any political persuasion can be Christian. In other words, their politics doesn’t matter. When I use the word “politics” I am talking about government, not the periodic table of the elements.
Christians are certainly to be engaged in this world, but our mission is the same regardless of what the government is up to. Missionaries in oppressive regimes operate under the same principles as those in thriving democracies. Why? Because the words of Christ transcend politics.
Jesus is certainly concerned with the people of this world and their eternal destination. But God doesn’t view the world like we do. Jesus didn’t solve poverty or heal everyone. He didn’t engage in wealth redistribution or start a political campaign to cleanup Roman streets. He was God manifest in the flesh. He owns those streets.
As I showed in my little mock interview in #41, talking heads and political pundits would be quite disappointed with Jesus’ answers on the cares and affairs of this life. So were the political and religious leaders of his day. Jesus essentially ignored Rome and said almost nothing about it. That is simply a historical fact.
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Xion, I might be wrong, but I think Joel is Church of Christ. We Presbyterians might agree with things he says here and there, but we don’t claim him as one of our own.
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#59 Cheryl, Hah! I probably shouldn’t have said it that way. If you didn’t mean it that way Joel, then accept my apologies!
I guess in my experience, my Reformed brethren seem to be quicker on the heretic trigger. So I thought, “Oh no, what is it with these Presbyterians who can’t disagree with people without questioning their faith”? Maybe I was subconsciously conducting a heresy poll.
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Thinking it through, the point of Christmas is that Jesus doesn’t choose one of our sides or the other. He comes because whatever side we are on, it is broken. From the perspective of the Incarnation being closer to the biblical precepts, conforming more perfectly as Innes says, really doesn’t get us that far. We’re all still in the dark.
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NJ Lawyer, I attempted to explain #48 at #55.
XION, I did not call you a heretic. Where did you get that notion? The only think I am upset about is that you are not comprehending my thoughts, seemingly at any point. Perhaps I am communicating badly, but I don’t think that’s the whole problem.
I do not think you are a heretic at all.
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I disagree that one’s politics does not matter.
I believe the Democrat Party has become downright evil, and that matters.
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Nearly all the prophets of the Old Testament, whom Jesus quoted extensively, were intensely political. But they always put their morality and their faith above whatever politics of their day that concerned them. But they were still intensely political in their concerns.
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You may not claim me as one of your own, Cheryl, but I claim you as a sister (and XION, a brother).
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Friends,
I am trying to explain too much in philosophical and theological terms. The fact is, I am grieved by the number of Christian leaders who (INlike Jesus) are moral cowards when it comes to standing up to corrupt political agendas that are destroying children, families and our religious freedoms.
Far too many people in the pew are just like the politicians who killed Jesus because he got a little too “political” for them. Too many pew-sitters do not want anything controvertial mentioned in church, which is just where Jesus would have mentioned them, boldly.
That is why the extermination of babies continues unabated, the integrity of marriage is tettering on the edge, the Boy Scouts had to stand alone, and socialism is exploding upon us (and much more). I blame gutless preachers (including in my own beloved heritage) who cower when their people demand when they want no mention of political or moral issues at church.
Courageous preachers stopped the Salem Witch Tials by civic justices. They were the first to stand up to legalized slave-trading and slavery itself. James Dobson and Chuck Colson have the sort of courage of which I speak. I respect them highly.
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Good comments.
As to the question of whether or not Jesus would register as a Republican—or vote at all for that matter—I highly doubt it. Party affiliation would probably detract from his mission, which was to make a way for people to be reconciled to the Father through his substitutionary death.
That is not to say that Jesus was not political, though he was not particularly political towards Rome—which again, was not his mission. But wherever there is a power structure, there’s bound to be politics, and Jesus’ mission crossed all lines between religious, political, and personal in a very integrated way. At his death, the manipulation, intrigue, and shifting back and forth between regional and local governmental authorities seems to have been very political. Pilate was convinced he was innocent and wanted to let him go, but the Jews insinuated that to do so would be disloyal to Caesar. In the end, the Jews found Barrabas to be less of a threat to their power structure than Jesus, and marshaled the crowd to their way of thinking. Even the high priest had indicated that it’s expedient for one man to die for the nation to survive. Blasphemy was just the excuse on which to pass judgment.
As Christians, our mission is not the same as Jesus’. We are to spread the fantastic news about what He has already done, and help others find that Doorway of reconciliation to the Father. We do that in word (preaching, exhortation and encouragement) and deed (performance of miracles, good works, and living in obedience to God’s Word as best we can. ).
In a burst of Christmas optimism, I would include political activities as good works, but only inasmuch as they are consistent with the Good News itself. And I think the ‘social gospel’ as we know it is not consistent with the Good News, since it advocates temporal salvation above that offered by Jesus, and rejects the Scriptural foundation Jesus advocated.
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NJ Lawyer, to say that Christianity is apolitical is, in my view, to isolate it too far (unnecessarily too) from the real world where humans live and struggle. Gnosticism envisions a dualistic separation between spirit and flesh that excessively isolates things of the spirt from those ‘nasty’ realms of material or earthly concerns. It is a tempting notion but I cannot go there and I don’t think Jesus wants us to.
That’s just a philosophical response to a particular statement that seems to me leans too much in that direction. I made no judgment on where you or anyone else on this blog is in that philosophical spectrum between concerns of the flesh and of the spirit.
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Joel Mark, you’re a brother; it was as a Presbyterian I wasn’t claiming you. (And in my church that wouldn’t stop you from taking the Lord’s supper or anything, just from claiming a manmade label. And as my pastor is quick to point out, “presbyterian” is a system of church government, not a doctrine.)
I think the term “gnostic” is usually used to denote heresy; I took it that way as well.
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Cheryl,
“Gnostic” can represent a tendency in thinking that true Christians must be careful of. It is a philosophical construct that simply helps me make the point about breaking through a hypothetical dichotomy between flesh and spirit (world and heaven) so that we can authentically include material and political concerns in the holistic lives we live as Christians WITHOUT letting those concerns redefine our ultimate spiritual mission. I don’t use the term to personally judge ANYONE but to inspire thinking on the question at hand.
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#62 Joel “The only thing I am upset about is that you are not comprehending my thoughts, seemingly at any point.”
Well, I’m not the sharpest knife in the drawer!
I think I do understand where you are coming from, but maybe I’m being too general. I’ll try harder to address your specific points. Let me try to summarize your position and tell me if I have it.
You say that “to say that Christianity is apolitical is, in my view, to isolate it too far (unnecessarily too) from the real world where humans live and struggle.” To you that sounds “gnostic”.
Your fundamental point is that Christians should not disengage from the culture and take a c’est la vie attitude while the world around us crumbles into corruption. To do so would be moral cowardice.
Well, guess what? We all agree with that. The problem is that is not what we are saying.
When I say Christianity is apolitical I mean it is in a different dimension than the cares and affairs of the world. We are not to be disengaged. Rather we are to put things in their proper eternal perspective. There is more to this life than stuff. Yet stuff is the realm of politics.
Biblical principles don’t change based on political views. They transcend politics. Christians are most certainly to be engaged in this world, but not for political reasons.
For example, the political view of poverty might be that it is evil and must be eliminated. And so various political solutions to this so-called problem may be tried, from handing out money to redistribution of wealth to eradicate material disparity.
Well, the Christian position is that a man’s life is not measured by his wealth (Luke 12:15), but by where his treasure is. You see, this is a completely different dimension than the cares and affairs that politicians entangle themselves with.
And so, yes we can fight against the evils of this world, but we do so on the religious dimension not the political one. People shouldn’t kill their children because it is murder, despite what the law says. Marriage is between a man and a woman despite what the law says. You can do your civic duty and speak your mind and vote, but biblical principles never change despite what government does. See the difference?
But even more importantly, Paul speaks of two gospels in Galatians: a gospel of works and the true gospel of grace. So let’s say you march on the capital and bring about some law that imposes Christian morality on others, like a Marriage Amendment.
Nothing wrong with that since Christian citizens have just as much right to speak as other citizens. However, if you say that is part of the mission of the church, then which gospel is the church now preaching?
Imposing a gospel of works on unbelievers may make your life slightly easier, but their eternal destiny is the same. So what have you done? The church has expended lots of energy, but those souls have the same eternal destiny. The Bible is quite clear about what the mission of the church is and none of it involves cleaning up the streets of Rome or mitigating taxes and so on. Anyone who says otherwise needs to back that up with scripture. It isn’t there.
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I thought my little interview of Jesus in #41 was a clever way to illustrate how Jesus infuriated the religious and political leaders of his day (perhaps with a slight smile).
They would confront him with the mundane things of this life and he would answer them with the profound. People may worry about pork bellies and orange futures, but Jesus would ask them about their souls.
The word ‘mundane’ is Latin (mundus) for ‘world’. That is how we get the Spanish mundo, meaning world. The word ’secular’ also comes from the Latin (seculum) and also means world, or worldly.
Politics is about the secular world, the mundane. Solomon spoke at length on the mundane in Ecclesiastes, calling it vanity of vanities under the sun. You wake up, brush your teeth, come home, go to bed, wake up brush your teeth and so on ad infinitum.
You see, everything under the sun is truly vanity of vanities if there is no eternal perspective, i.e. viewed in light of the spiritual dimension which is beyond the sun.
Without a spiritual dimension to life, the mundane secular things of this world are without purpose. People pursue all sorts of things, but in the end just become worm food and all of the wealth they amassed is left behind. To what purpose was all that effort?
People who refuse to accept that there is any purpose in life are granted a life without purpose. Those who refuse to be accountable to God are granted a life that will not count. Vanity of vanities. All is vanity under the sun.
A purpose in life can only be found in the spiritual dimension above the sun in the grander theme of eternity. God’s wisdom and perspective is what Christians bring to a mundane, secular, lost world of politics and greed.
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XION, your comments are very fair and well taken.
I would not literally say that Christianity is in a different dimension than the cares and affairs of the world, but I think I know what you mean. I am probably not articulate enough right now to describe the nuances inherent in this issue or distinction though. Maybe it is mostly semantics. There is much to be said (rooted in Scripture too) about separating from the world. I enjoy this discussion about when and where to draw that line. I am moving more toward the separation position myself, in spite of what I said earlier.
Just know that I am coming from the James Dobson or Chuck Colson realm and not from the “social gospel” realm.
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Thanks Joel. Love you man! Merry Christmas!
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XION, is it too late for me to apologize for being a little bit stinky at first? Love you 2! And I respect ALL your comments, in agreement or not. Have a cool yule.
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Hi Joel. No, of course not. My Yule was cool!
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