Obama’s godly government
At the 2011 National Prayer Breakfast, President Obama reminded Christians across the political spectrum that what they have in common in Christ is more fundamental and more precious than what divides them politically (see video below).
But in the course of his address he also reminded us of what divides us, and what serious matters they are. The president had his opponents in the Tea Party movement in mind when he said:
“Over the past two years . . . the proper role of government has obviously been the subject of enormous controversy. And the debates have been fierce as one side’s version of compassion and community may be interpreted by the other side as an oppressive and irresponsible expansion of the state or an unacceptable restriction on individual freedom.”
Christians can differ in good faith over the role of government. But because God institutes government for our good and for specific purposes, and even judges governments for what they do and fail to do, there are biblically right and wrong answers to the question. As the president put it, there are competing “versions of compassion and community” between left and right evangelicals.
In 2000, the evangelical political right thought they had their man in the White House. In some ways they did. But in other ways they came to be disappointed. George W. Bush came to office committed to “compassionate conservatism,” greater co-operation between government and private, faith-based organizations for delivering social services more efficiently and with genuine charity. The emphasis was to be on private initiative, private delivery, but with public financial assistance from a long arm’s length. Things didn’t work out as planned, partly because of internal political obstacles and partly because of the administration’s shift of focus after 9/11.
With Barack Obama succeeding Bush in office, the evangelical political left is now enjoying their messianic moment. At the prayer breakfast, Obama gave voice to their moral vision for righteous government.
His thesis is that while “faith groups” can do a lot of charitable work on their own, “sometimes they need a partner, whether it’s in business or government.” Whether the church should “partner” with government, especially the federal government, in doing its work of love is a contested issue, both biblically and constitutionally. But in stating the matter in this way, he is not in disagreement with his predecessor.
But Obama has cast the government in a much more active role. Human needs, he argues, outstrip the capacities of individuals, families, faith groups, and businesses. Government (which of course gets all its money from individuals, families, and businesses, as well as from heavy borrowing) must step in and make up the difference, according to Obama:
“Of course there are some needs that require more resources than faith groups have at their disposal. There’s only so much a church can do to help all the families in need—all those who need help making a mortgage payment, or avoiding foreclosure, or making sure their child can go to college. There’s only so much that a nonprofit can do to help a community rebuild in the wake of disaster. There’s only so much the private sector will do to help folks who are desperately sick get the care that they need.”
(Notice the slap at business here. There is only so much a church or nonprofit “can” do, but that the private sector “will” do. Someone has a bad attitude.)
For this reason, Obama said, “In a caring and in a just society, government must have a role to play.” Consider how Bush’s Office of Faith-based and Community Initiatives became Obama’s Office of Faith-based and Neighborhood Partnerships. Private initiatives turned into government partnerships.
Of course, the president is looking at the capacities and willingness of non-governmental givers and providers in the context of a large-and-getting-larger government welfare system. We now have had generations of government that has been progressively crowding out private action by taxing away capacity to give and weakening people’s sense of their moral responsibility to care. It’s impressive that we give and care as much as we do! But any deficiency that we have privately in these is not an argument for more government action, but less.
The second problem I see in the president’s thesis is the equivalency with which he speaks of private and government caring activity, whether together or separately. When the American people’s charity is expressed through government, it is not received as charity but as entitlement. It follows from the nature of the relationship. As such, the effect is different. Charity ennobles and enables. Entitlements enslave and incapacitate. Charity tries to get you back on your own feet, functioning as an equal. Entitlements maintain you as a permanent client, dependent and politically supportive.
The president means well, but it is for good reason that most evangelicals disagree with his “version of compassion and community.”

















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That humans live with needs is a given. That has never NOT been the case. But the alleged need for “help making a mortgage payment, or avoiding foreclosure, or making sure their child can go to college” are not necessarily “needs” that the gov’t should assume significant responsibility for with free people. Humans make choices and real liberty means they live with their choices. If you don’t want real liberty, please admit it.
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Having been raised and educated as an Evangelical, I don’t believe D.C.Innes’ theory that government policies are “weakening people’s sense of their moral responsibility to care.”
That’s Scrooge’s excuse.
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“In a caring and in a just society, government must have a role to play.”
“Must”?
In light of the massive government overspending on entitlements, underregulating government bureaucracies, and over taxing and overregulating private business, I’d say the president is on a path that is diametrically opposed to a “caring and just society”, because he’s going to ruin the country financially.
You’ll get equality alright. Everyone will be poor. Where’s the justice in that?
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Sorry Obama is not a Christian.
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In a caring and just society, government doesn’t need to play the role of benefactor. Immanentizing the eschaton again.
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“In a caring and in a just society, government must have a role to play.”
Let government handle justice; let the people handle the caring. With Obama government is the only answer. He is being disingenuous when he panders to faith based groups while appointing people who reject that faith to carry it out.
Obama believes in a collective salvation, meaning no one is saved unless everyone is saved. He views the role of government as the instrument of “good” which is imposed through force. The only way faith-based groups can be effective in his view is to become agents of the government. And to do that he strips them of actual faith (which is practically illegal) and replaces it with a counterfeit faith in government. Obama becomes our lord and provider.
In the end, everything the Anti-Prophet says causes the opposite to come true. All of the power and wealth the Anti-Midas accumulates turns to dross. Every word that proceeds out of the mouth of Obama returns to him void.
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* “Government’s view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.” ~ President Ronald Reagan (1986).
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* “The fundamental threat to freedom is power to coerce, be it in the hands of a monarch, a dictator, an oligarchy, or a momentary majority. . . . By removing the organization of economic activity from the control of political authority, the market eliminates this source of coercive power. It enables economic strength to be a check to political power rather than a reinforcement.” ~ Milton Friedman, Capitalism and Freedom, 1962. From Chapter 1, titled; “The Relation Between Economic Freedom and Political Freedom.” This was his message to voters.
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* “It is to secure our rights that we resort to government at all.” — Thomas Jefferson to Francois D’Ivernois. 1795
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Just where does Obama think the money for his generosity comes from? I think he knows full well the source of his magnanimous munificence thus his statement “There’s only so much the private sector will do.” He knows government takes from the private sector that which it desires, pads the pockets of government bureaucrats and croonies then passes out the remaining paltry sum among the poor and finally pats itself on the back for it’s generosity. That’s the way of it!
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* “No matter who you are or what you believe, you have to understand that some day the worst control-freaks among your bitterest enemies will control the federal government, and you better have restored effective, working constitutional limitations on that government before that time arrives.” ~ Rick Gaber
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DC Innes attempts to bring a moral basis to a diminished welfare state. Moral arguments are fine but in an age where conservatives seek to control spending and capitalism naturally seeks efficiencies and economies of scale, he has the wrong argument.
Having a host of different groups (non-profit, faith groups, corporations and gov’t) all attempt to do the same thing you have a bureaucratic mess with overlapping responsibilities and overlapping programs where some poor will receive much more than others depending on geography, type of needs, etc. Its far simpler and more effective to have one central agency directing welfare programs. In a diverse society, the gov’t is the only central agency available. This is not new — Elizabethan Poor Laws and the Bismarck Prussia demonstrate this is not part of the industrial age nor is it the outgrowth of a socialist mindset.
More importantly, gov’t directed social programs are far more effective. Measured by improved generational income mobility, countries with a far more extensive welfare system have a much better record than the US and the UK. Thus, a pragmatic not moral approach suggests gov’t social programs are a far better method of increasing upward mobility.
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crowding out private action by taxing away capacity to give and weakening people’s sense of their moral responsibility to care
I pay my taxes without complaint for I know much of my money goes to fund health care for all, public schools, roads, transit, welfare, drug plans, etc. For me paying taxes is part of my moral responsibility to care.
When the American people’s charity is expressed through government, it is not received as charity but as entitlement.
When its an insurance scheme it is an entitlement and thus Social Security is rightly recognized as mandatory spending.
Charity ennobles and enables. Entitlements enslave and incapacitate. Charity tries to get you back on your own feet, functioning as an equal. Entitlements maintain you as a permanent client, dependent and politically supportive.
Charity reduces you to a beggar constantly at the whims of various peoples and organizations. Entitlements empower you and give you the opportunity to improve your lot in life.
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#12 HRW “Its far simpler and more effective to have one central agency directing welfare programs.”
You consistently replay this idea over and over that government is a picture of efficiency. On what planet? To err is human, but to really screw things up requires central planning. What do you think the term FUBAR is referring to?
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HRW,
How are things in Canada?
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Notice how Obama doesn’t mention the restrictions, the limitations on government contained in the Constitution. Those things are IMPORTANT and should be foremost in his mind. What kind of a lawyer who taught constitutional law doesn’t see that?
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Obama will continue to convince people that the gov’t can do a better job of taking care of people. He will raise our taxes, not to pay off old bills, but for his own special “community” projects.
When you want to see what someone could have done and didn’t, you will see what the future holds for us thru Obama. Just look at ILLINOIS and see what Obama did for his own. NOTHING!
This is BAD NEWS for our future–living in high rises that badly need repair; the union running things; and the only people who have money are the elite who own the high rises.
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Xion
What do you think the term FUBAR is referring to?
to the military — the most inept and corrupt part of most regimes even in democracies and I’m all in favour of taking a machete to their budget in order for them to get their act together.
In a global comparison, the US mixture of charity and social programs from various sources is far less effective than countries who rely on more comprehensive gov’t programs. Generational income mobility is just one example.
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Rondu
Things are quite good here — unemployment is fairly low, housing prices are stable, interest rates are low, banks are in good fiscal shape, the current Conservative gov’t is spending too much blowing the surplus the Liberals had achieved previously but that can be quickly fixed, the dollar has achieved parity, things are basically moving along quite nicely. Its mostly good news here.
Even work wise for me its good — the gov’t continues to spend large amounts on education, I get the textbooks I need, training is provided, and classroom supplies are covered by the school.
I have no real complaints right now
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Yall need to hurry over to Tokarev’s thread, where “READER” has just announced that countries with mixed capitalist economies, big welfare programs, and national health services all have more “laissez faire” freedom than the US while enjoying comparable protection of property rights!
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Charity ennobles and enables. Entitlements enslave and incapacitate.
On planet Earth, it’s always been as follows:
Charity ennobles the giver and obligates the recipient. The former is noble while the latter is common. This is the core dynamic of feudalism. Entitlements make possible the orderly transfer of substance to the next generation, whether through inheritance, social contract, or special grant.
The chief enabler is nurture and education. The great incapacitators are poverty, illness, and misfortune.
The welfare state has been an essential ingredient in moral and material betterment since the passing of the ancien régime.
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“But Obama has cast the government in a much more active role. Human needs, he argues, outstrip the capacities of individuals, families, faith groups, and businesses.”
Of course the needs will outstrip capacities—especially when a large segment of the society is as generous when it comes to charitable giving as is the liberal left.
Jesus gave the charge to care for the poor and needy to everyone—each one as a person, individually—and not to the nameless/faceless/inefficient ‘Caesar’ as a group project whether ancient or modern.
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HRW — “Charity reduces you to a beggar constantly at the whims of various peoples and organizations. Entitlements empower you and give you the opportunity to improve your lot in life.”
You couldn’t be more wrong.
Being a beggar in our society is a condition as temporary as an hour from now that is as fully changeable as the clothes on your back, but which only can occur through personal desire and an expenditure of real effort to make the change.
Stories of rejecting such lifestyle conditions are as numerous as sand on a beach because we all, in one way or another, accomplish such change, to one degree or another, regularly with the various ups and downs of living. To allow oneself to fall to the ‘beggar’ condition is an extreme—stemming from a near total rejection of the truth about oneself and requiring additional effort to reject and correct. Without the such personal effort, no correction/change will ever occur.
Entitlements become, actually are, a devious impediment or hinderance—a stumbling block—to changing the condition of such a person as it allows them to think they’ve solved their problem—the source of their misery—when in fact no such thing has occurred. Once again, the truth of their problem is ignored, glossed over or hidden by the entitlement rather than being corrected. Because of their “entitlement”—stemming from what is another lie they usually think of as something they are owed—they’ve merely become enslaved and fully dependent on the continued largess of others rather than being any closer to self sufficiency and the true end of their misery.
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Scroop Moth,
As it relates to this thread, how is charity distinguishable from entitlements?
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“Charity reduces you to a beggar constantly at the whims of various peoples and organizations. Entitlements empower you and give you the opportunity to improve your lot in life.”
Is this sarcasm?
Charity is never guaranteed. An entitlement is. Sure it may “empower” you, but that empowerment just empowers you to be lazy…still.
If this isnt sarcasm, then this is probably one of the most out of touch things you’ve ever said, HRW.
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MACRUTABAGA, dear one, I wish you’d exorcise the questioning toddler who chases your conversation, and make some brave little efforts at positive assertion. When a question can be framed by definitions, look them up in a dictionary first . . better yet, offer a counter-proposal.
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Scroop Moth: To the “end user,” I don’t see how charity or entitlements would appear any different from each other. You’re saying that charity does X and entitlements do Y. So what accounts for the effects of one verses the other?
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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity, by legislating the wealth out of prosperity. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.
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Entitlement is both sense and cents. Charity is pretty much the latter. According to the major novels, the sense of entitlement is itself an asset, apart from the substance that backs it up. The Horatio Algers can fake it, Ben Franklins can print their own Letters of Marque, but not needing to try is a lordly advantage — yes, a queenly advantage. The problem with charity is that it’s all humility and no sass, and in this world the poor already have enough of the former.
Social workers such as those from the earnest German bureaus (not jaded like the one who visits this blog), could phrase all this with far more bourgeoise-friendly priggishness and industriousness, but I’ll speak so the Tea Party can understand: On April 15 and every quarter thereafter I’ll gladly supporting the power and the virtue of entitlements — indeed the glory — and will be pleased as all heck that you’ll have to, too, MACRUTABAGA. Erst kommt das Fressen und dann kommt die Moral. Why else was Jesus so adamant about the indispensability of the Fressen part? The smacking of lips and the sound of belches following full-cart foodstamp sprees is what The Savior wants to hear, I believe.
PS If you really need the bourgeoise version, I could do a re-write.
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Pastor, there were twelve baskets of leftovers, direct evidence that zero-sums thinking is the devil’s doctrine.
Also, think of Constitutional takings as redreress of grievances.
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Mother Teresa’s Sisters of Charity fed cooked, maggot-infested food to our American poor, after the rosary. Thanks anyway, Holy Mother, but I’d like less support from the US for faith-based initiatives.
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Sheesh, Scroop Moth. Forget I asked.
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Argue your points without insulting the other commenters.
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Thorn: Charity is never guaranteed. An entitlement is.
Exactly. That’s why we need them.
Too often I see people assuming that those who receive entitlements are “lazy,” (Thorn’s word), just sponging off of society.
In truth, some are, but many are trying very hard to become self-sufficient. They’re using education grants to learn a trade, and meanwhile food stamps my keep their families from starving, but give them a couple of years and they’ll get a decent job and not need the help any more.
Or you can take those things away and they can work low-paying jobs with little security or benefits such as health insurance, and some months they might get their bills paid and other months they won’t quite make it, and pray that nobody in the family gets seriously ill or the rustbucket car doesn’t break down because that would ruin them.
And forget any hope of their circumstances ever getting any better, because scrambling to cover the minimum basics takes away whatever time they might have had for acquiring new skills.
When you demand to take away entitlements, you are saying that you’re willing to consign millions of Americans to that kind of life. Is that really where you want to be?
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When you demand to take away entitlements, you are saying that you’re willing to consign millions of Americans to that kind of life.
Got that, anti-entitlement folks? Ya buncha heartless misanthropes!
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Mac: A snarky one-liner is the best you got?
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The one-liner was yours, Conan. I would like to take away most entitlements, and yet I’m not “willing to consign millions” of anyone to anything–that was your insult, o holy one.
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See #33. That’s what I’m talking about. Constantly asking questions is not only annoying, it’s rude and finally insulting.
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Pfft. How do you define “constantly”? Why is the asking question thing bad, but your direct insults aren’t? And really, what kind of ego thinks some anonymous guy in a thread viewed by, oh, 100 people, tops?, is concerned about the pleasure-as-all-heck said ego takes in knowing anonymous guy pays, like, $112 in taxes for something? Do you think said ego needs to get a life?
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#39 – “…a thread viewed by, oh, 100 people, tops?”
Perhaps, but I must say that a good number of you fellow readers (I won’t try to name my favorites here) are quite bright and I learn a lot from you. I enjoy this outlet and I want to thank you all.
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Sheesh, MACRUTBAGA.
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(Did someone miss the joke?)
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But seriously, your comments are some of the most incisive on this board, but your ultimately crass insults wear so thin that I (and I think some others) just have to scroll past sometimes. Also, you fall into the ‘dish it out but don’t like it’ category.
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Thorn et al
For those of you who thought my statement regarding charity and entitlements ridiculous, I suggest you reread Scroop’s comments.
Its the stability of funding from entitlements that allows a recipient to plan ahead, set goals and work his/her way back to independence. Charity is inconsistent, random and in a subtle manner demands an obligation.
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