Knowledge as submission
A very helpful book in understanding how it is that we humans “know” anything—and supremely, how we know God—is Esther Lightcap Meek’s Longing to Know.
Meek demystifies the enterprise of knowing God by demonstrating that in an important sense it is on a continuum with knowing our auto mechanic. It is the same kind of ordinary knowing—and draws on the same kinds of very human activities—as the knowing that we experience in relation to the man who changes our oil.
There are many little disparate bits of accumulated data that go into knowing our auto mechanic, some of them empirical but some of them extremely subtle, intangible, and unquantifiable. You see the kind of work he does on your car. You have conversations with him and get a “feel” for the man. The initial feeling you have is either confirmed or contradicted over time and subsequent dealings with him. Maybe he is a better man or mechanic than you thought at first; maybe he is not as good.
So knowing is making sense of a jumble of varied information. In the case of the auto mechanic, it is the eureka moment when we have finally put all the clues together and “get” who this man is. Knowing God is like that. We have wrestled with such random facts as (1) our sin, guilt, faults; (2) finding ourselves on a planet with mountains and stars around us that need an explanation; (3) a Bible that offers explanation. And out of the wrestling comes the belief that the God of the Scriptures fits the clues together best.
I am terribly oversimplifying this. I have left out the crucial part that apart from the Holy Spirit we cannot put these clues together. That is the not-ordinary component of knowing. God is able to give a person profound assurance of His reality even if the person is lousy at putting clues together.
An insight in Meek’s book that blew me away is the idea of submission as the final and indispensable step of knowing. This is as radical as it is wonderful because we don’t usually think of “knowing” in the same breath as “submitting.” We think they belong to the two unrelated categories of mind and will. That’s because we have a hangover from ancient Greek philosophy that conceives of “knowing” as a purely cerebral activity, and activity demanding no commitment on the part of the knower.
Once we have struggled a while (in some cases, a whole lifetime) with all the jumbled “clues” of our existence, and a coherent pattern finally jumps out at us (by the enlightening of the Holy Spirit), the pattern exercises a kind of authority over us. It’s do or die time: Will I submit to what I can no longer ignore?
There will still be “gaps” in the pattern. (Possible example: If God is good, why do children die? Why didn’t He answer that prayer?) But once we see the overall “pattern,” and it is a compelling one, the gaps no longer threaten. They are merely not-yet-seen portions of the tapestry.
What Meek has done most for me is to remind me that I do not really know God—and I cannot really say I have faith in Him—until I have submitted to what I learned about Him in His Word. That is the final and indispensable act in the process of knowing. We “submit” to our claim that we know that our mechanic has changed the oil; we do that by paying him and driving off 10 hours to Michigan. Not dissimilarly, we “submit” to our claim that we know God by living as though His promises are true and will hold us up. (This is the punch line of this column.)
I sometimes shudder to think of the days when I knew the theology and could talk the talk, but I could count on the fingers of one hand the number of times I had actually trusted God in an active way. Without that knowing breaking into doing, all I had was yards and yards of good chain, with a rotten link at the end of it.
Jesus was more succinct. He said, “Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do what I tell you?” (Luke 6:46)

















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Interesting that I was just having a discussion on what Greek thought entails. This puts it nicely.
I have found that we often look at the “big” things we think God wants us to do, instead of the myriad of little things that are very clear in scripture. Yet, we are told we must be faithful in the little things first.
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The word “submission” is something that unbelievers do not like to hear. According to Watchman Nee, the word “surrender” is a much more powerful word (in the Greek rendering) than “surrender”. If we are truly surrendered to Christ, we never have to know the outcome of our acting in faith. The Lord tells us what to do, we do it in faith, we grow stronger spiritually and then He reveals to us what we need to do next.
The Christian life is not cerebral (we are not theological aesthetes); it is spiritual first, living by faith in God first–the cerebral part is always secondary. We cannot think ourselves through a problem, we need to obey the Lord first and the understanding will come later. It is having childlike faith. I don’t know exactly where I am going, but the Lord does–this is all I really need to know. Living by faith is very unplanned.
Submission and obedience to the Lord are what move mountains in the Christian walk.
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Correction: In the above post, it should read:
“According to Watchman Nee, the word “surrender” is a much more powerful word (in the Greek rendering) than “submission”.
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Profoundly, concisely effective observations; this may be my very favorite Seú commentary.
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Drifter, I have read Nee also, and had a terrible time about the knowing the outcome of our faith bit. I understand it, and agree with his point. I still can’t get past it. e.g. We pray for each other on this blog for certain things. I want to know, did he get well? Did you get the job? How did things work out? It’s human nature, I know. But it’s difficult to deal with.
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Sometimes I’m simply amazed at Andre and how she nails it bang on the head. This is one of those times…
Another good book about this subject (epistemology) is Lesslie Newbigin’s book Proper Confidence: Faith, Doubt, and Certainty in Christian Discipleship.
He puts it in a similar manner – One must act upon certain unprovable presuppositions in order to know anything. He borrows some of his thinking from Michael Polanyi, a Hungarian scientist known for his study of crystal structure. Polanyi calls this “Tacit Knowledge”.
This book led me to adopt a couple of slogans from older saints:
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Chas: Amen, amen, I say, amen. We live in the flesh, but we must be led by the Holy Ghost. We don’t always see the outcome of our prayers. “We live by faith, not by sight.”
Here is an example: I was hitchhiking some place (the Lord has had me hitchhike for most of 15 years now) and I asked the Lord, “Is anything happening?”
A month later, that prayer was answered. This guy picked me up outside of Jackson, Wyoming. He recognized me and told me that I was the hitchhiker he had picked up three years earlier. He told me he got saved three months ago and he showed me his Bible.
The Lord’s ways are higher than our ways.
“The just shall live by faith.”
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Make It Man: I really like those quotes by Augustine and Anselm. Belief precedes understanding. My favorite trinity of words: Faith, Revelation, Obedience.
“A threefold cord is not easily broken.”
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Shellennessee (#4),
That’s just about exactly what I was thinking.
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Drifter,
Excellent comments!
How much have we missed by not having heard from you until this week?
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Rondu: It is absolutely providential that I am reading WORLD Magazine.
I hitchhiked to Bozeman, Montana this past December or January and I stayed with some friends overnight. I was sitting at their dinner table and they showed me a copy of WORLD Magazine. I skimmed through it and I liked it. I have been reading bits and pieces or WORLD Magazine the past few months. I have enjoyed reading Andree Seu’s articles.
Do you know how I met my friends in Bozeman? I hitchhiked into Belgrade, Montana a year ago in February and I walked into this Burger King. I had one dollar on me. This guy named Mike walked in behind me with his son. He saw my backpack and he saw me look in my billfold to see how much I could buy with one dollar. Then he said, “Get anything you want. I’m buying.”
We had a nice meal and we had a good chat about the things of God. We kept in touch for the past year. He has a wife and three children. We have had some very good fellowship.
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Drifter (#11),
Thanks for filling us in!
I sense that the Lord has some good times in store for you.
If you keep on traveling, please stop in here often; you are a blessing!
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Here is that story about the guy who picked me up in Jackson, Wyoming.
Marty the Stonemason:
http://www.digihitch.com/blog/sawman/entry-497.html
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Drifter (#13),
Thanks again! Great story!
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This is wonderful writing and thoughts to consider for today, Andree.
I am wondering if you or any of the readers might have a list of all the commands that Jesus gave in the Bible such as, “Do this in remembrance of me.” I know we are given the Ten Commandments all together in the Old Testament, but I do not remember seeing a list of all of the commands of Jesus in any Bible study materials I have used. I have not researched this but thought perhaps someone would have such a list.
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Toobizy: This link might be a start: http://ati.iblp.org/ati/supportlink/kb/questions/239/What+are+the+commands+of+Christ%3F
I don’t always agree with this organization, but they make good lists.
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Thank you, Phos, that is exactly the kind of list I was thinking of. It is longer than I realized it would be!
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I have been thinking a lot about submission lately and I like the word a whole lot better than surrender because surrender connotes the idea that you have to, even though you don’t want to. Submitting means, to me, that you have come to a decision that you will put yourself under, behind, in a position less than something else. And I’ve been wondering if God looks for this act of submitting in folks in every faith. I’m thinking that if someone, say of the Mulim faith, truly submits to God and acts on the belief that God’s commands and Kingdom overides their own wants and demands, they are closer to knowing the truth and more open to the truth than someone who goes through the motions of a “religion”. God truly knows who is submitting out of gratitude and who is fulfilling some quota of prayers or offerings.
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