Plato, Bachmann, and a petty letter
Plato wrote, “Give me the songs of a nation and it matters not who writes its laws.” Rock star Tom Petty hit the news yesterday when his handlers sent a cease-and-desist letter to GOP presidential candidate Michele Bachmann: The letter demanded that she never ever use at a campaign event Petty’s song “American Girl.”
The demand may not be more evidence of liberalism’s Bachman Derangement Syndrome. Jim Newell of Gawker wrote, “These requests are not uncommon for Republican candidates. . . . They can never use the easygoing, overplayed songs that they enjoy on FM radio, and they learn that their favorite artists despise them. Democrats’ problem, on the other hand, is that they have to feign gratitude to all the musicians who write bad songs for them.”
Regardless of how conservatives do in polls and even in Congress, we still have a liberal-dominated country as long as Republicans have trouble even using popular songs. I still remember Election Night in Austin, Texas, in 2000, when the Bush celebration started hanging by a Florida chad and all the GOP could offer for evening entertainment was Wayne Newton, best known for his 30,000 appearances in Las Vegas and his 1963 song “Danke Schoen.”
But Gawker’s Newell may be the first on the media block to show some sympathy for the candidate many pundits love to hate. He wrote, “Are the sharks out for Michele Bachmann, or what? Little miscues that offer a quick, innocent laugh at first become over-reported multiday scandals about how she’s the stupidest person alive.”

















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“Values” candidates will continually be scorned, mocked and pushed away from the table.
That’s fine. We don’t like what they are eating anyway.
David, http://www.RedLetterBelievers.com, “Salt and Light”
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Michelle Bachmann is not qualified or fit to be president. It’s not the evil media machine that makes this so; it’s Bachmann’s own management style. We should not be loading on sympathy for an unqualified candidate sucking up Republican bandwidth. Bachmann is making it harder for American’s to get to know people like Pawlenty. And she’s making it harder for qualified candidates to enter the race by sucking air (and $$$) out of the room. Bachmann is helping Obama win.
And seriously? You think whether we live in a a Republican dominated country or a Democrat dominated country is about who has access to Tom Petty songs? How does that make sense?!
And seriously you think Tom Petty’s American Girl is a popular song? I haven’t heard that song in ages. I had to google it to remember the melody. If you think Tom Petty is so petty, why are you helping him become a trending issue on search engines?
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If REDWAL got the same treatment that the right gets from the left, then we would simply declare indisputably that he obviously comes out of sheer sexism and bigotry against women.
But the fact is, he’s just wrong (his internal reasons for being wrong do not interest me). Michelle Bachmann is far more fit and qualified to be President than Obama ever was or still is. I have voted for her twice to be my congresswoman and she is decent and competent, words that cannot be applied to Obama. Plus she has more political AND private sector experience than Obama ever did before he was elected. It pleases me that Bachmann clearly has every Democrat from Obama on down to REDWALL shivering in desperate terror and sweating bullets, simply because she is decent, capable, likable, attractive, conservative and beyond their control.
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Petty sounds like a whiner who exemplifie his last name in this case. Michelle Bachmann is a REAL American girl, not just in a song but in real life. She walks her talk at all levels.
As for my preferences in the Republican primary, she is a solid third behind the two Ricks (one Rick is not officially in the race yet). And in this case, third place is very high regard.
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“Michelle Bachmann is not qualified or fit to be president.”
Neither was Obama.
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American Girl is definitely a popular song. It’s a 2nd tier staple on classic rock radio.
If I were a musician, I wouldn’t want to lend my music to any candidate. I don’t blame Tom Petty for his request here.
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Dittos Joel Mark. This is a palpably cheap publicity attempt to hitch Petty’s aging and irrelevant wagon to a rising star.
Bachmann has the gravitas, guts, and common conservative sense that drives the left crazy and doggone it – she’s a feminine conservative woman, too! Prepare for a lot more petty “news stories” than Tom’s.
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Petty’s “aging and irrelevant”? Wow thanks for the informed update on one of rock’s elder statesmen. And it’s also a pretty common occurrence…most major artists don’t want their songs politicized.
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“Michelle Bachmann is not qualified or fit to be president.”
Sheesh. Party line much? Palinize much? Bork much? Derangement Syndrome much?
And you think Obama is qualified? Or Biden? Or Nancy Pelosi? Or Harry Reid? Or Barney Frank? Or Timothy Geithner? Or Ben Bernanke?
Give me a break.
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The irony of BDDBY’s statement is pretty rich considering Bob Dylan’s political activism….
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Bachmann is a heck of a lot more qualified and fit to be president than OBAMA ever was.
Obama was a known collaborator, personal friend, and political crony of William ‘Cop-Killer’ Ayers, a proud member of the Red Army in America, who actively worked to blow up cops and soldiers and overthrow the Republic and replace it with a Soviet-style State based on terror and gulags. His connections to Ayers qualifies him to be a convicted felon, not President.
Obama claimed as his 20-year mentor a man whose racist and anti-American rants from a ‘pulpit’ make the most intolerant and foul Grand Dragon of the Klu Klux Klan look like Mother Theresa. David Duke is far more Presidential in this respect than Obama.
Obama ’served’ almost no time in any office beyond that of ‘community organizer’ in a corrupt, leftwing, mob-controlled district of the worst Wards in Chicago.
Obama never produced a decent scholarly article in his career as ‘Professor’, even though he laughably claimed to be a ’scholar’ (an outrageous claim faithfully parroted by the controlled media and never questioned, although he has no record of scholarship, beside the production of a few boiler-plate Marxist screeds).
Obama has repeatedly showed complete ignorance and contempt for the American Constitution and history and people, and has enthusiastically supported the killing of children to the point that even fellow pro-aborts were aghast at his glee and fervor in unconditionally supporting the brutal ‘procedure’ known as partial birth abortion.
The only ‘qualification’ that Obama had was that he was a willing and eager tool of the Leftwing Machine – and like the Left in general, loathes the Republic and the American people, and is bent on destroying the Republic.
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The thing that’s just amazing me is that Democrats don’t seem to understand that the US citizen knows they stepped way over the line with Palin, and they’re now starting in on Bachmann.
I don’t think it’s going to work this time. The media’s treatment of Palin is already backfiring on them, and now they’re piling on Bachmann.
I think it’s really stupid and short-sided of them to do so.
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Bachman, Palin, et. al. should learn to like country music. Nashville loves them.
As for Bachman being qualified for president. She is more qualified than I am. And I extablished in 2008 that I was much more qualified than Obama. That is beyond question.
Rush put it best about Obama. “He is the least qualified man in whatever room he enters.”
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Entertainers tend to be liberals. That way they can palm the poor and the ugly and the handicapped off on the government or to the abortion clinics where they don’t have to see them or taint they perfect world or dirty their hands with the imperfect.
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And my Senate record is ALMOST as good as his.
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Why don’t they find a supporter to write a song for her?
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Redwal: You can’t explain why Bachmann isn’t qualified to be President, just as you couldn’t explain why Santorum isn’t qualified to be President.
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Rock’s ‘elder statesmen’?
What a hoot.
But you gotta admire the spirit of the concept.
Your average Leftist has, on average, four functioning neurons.
One of them is on strike.
The second is devoted entirely to digestion (although not competently, unfortunately).
The third divides its time between processing visual and auditory signals from the Cartoon Channel, and channeling through (without intellectual filtering) asinine White House propaganda.
You would THINK that the FOURTH neuron would have to be utilitarian, i.e. actually useful.
But, lo, the fourth neuron is more ‘artsy’ than the others (or it thinks of itself as more artistic, anyway), and figures actual work is beneath it, so it lies around smoking pot and drinking wine-coolers and watching the lava lamp, and occasionally, in a sudden spasm of ‘creativity’ (loosely defined), generates a classic phrase like ‘elder Statesmen of Rock’.
Wow. You gotta admit, man, that is like, pretty deep stuff.
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Oh so you’re a music expert too, Drill? Just gotta disagree with anything that doesn’t fit the party line, huh?
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You may be more talented at writing a lot of words that don’t add up to much, but I really don’t think you want to get into a music discussion with me.
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Perhaps I should change my screen name to something more boring to discourage people like MiM from centering an entire argument it.
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Michelle Bachmann is not qualified or fit to be president.
Ah, KBells stole my comeback!
My thoughts exactly. Too funny.
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And isn’t this interesting if it’s true?
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/06/28/lennon-was-a-closet-republican-assistant
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Not really. You don’t have to be a Republican to realize “Imagine” is terrible.
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Yo, bro. My favorite rock group is, like, Spinal Tap. Now THOSE DUDES are your real elder statesmen of rock – leftwing and, like, brainy. Gotta dig ‘em, OK? Them Spinal Tap dudes are, like, um, perspac . . . perspaciuus . . . real smart. They can waggle their tongues and rotate their crotch around so that must mean their POLITICS are right.
Plus they got dials that go to ELEVEN, see? Not TEN. ELEVEN.
Man, am I GLAD I don’t have to actually think for myself; I got these elder statesmen of rock to let me know how to think – and vote.
Vote the O, dude.
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Dude.
Who is Springsteen voting for BTW? I always blindly follow his lead because I liked his first album in the 1970s. Didn’t he hold a concert and then lead everyone to the polls for Barack O (as in physically, with car shuttles and all?).
This is all too cool that rock musicians are so, like, well, politically astute, you know?
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Well after going back and reading what Drill actually said (it’s harder than it sounds), I see he wasn’t taking issue with Petty’s status but rather the phrase I used to describe it. I can only assume Drill’s never heard of music journalism.
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BDDBY,
I’m in your corner on this one. I’ve always been a fan of Petty’s music.
I went to one of his shows way back when. Outside the arena there were several political/agenda groups passing out literature (maybe asking for donations…I didn’t stop to talk to any of them). Inside the arena, Petty didn’t endorse them, just asked people to stop by and hear what they had to say. Since I didn’t pay to hear their views, I thought it was a fair way for Petty to handle it.
I’m not sure if Bachmann is paying royalties on Petty’s song. Perhaps that is what all the fuss is about. I remember Chrissie Hynde making a big stink about Limbaugh using one of her songs for his bumper music. But $$$ usually have a way of soothing hurt feelings.
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The name of the song didn’t ring a bell, so I just went to youtube and listened to it. I still don’t remember it. And it looks like it came out during my high school years–the time when I was most aware of popular music, whether I liked it or not.
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Tom Petty’s had a great career. I envy anyone who’s gone to one of his shows.
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Wikipedia’s entry on the song:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Girl_(song)
In the world of Rock, I think you could say it’s significant (which is not to equate it with Bach’s Mass; just sayin’).
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Well, I must’ve heard it when I was young, but it obviously didn’t make much of an impression.
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Yeah, I’m pretty sure “thinks Petty has a right to control his work” does not equal “takes voting advice from rock stars”.
And I was originally responding to the claim that he’s irrelevant. But it’s good to know that conservatives regard anyone with an interest in pop music as a stoned “lefty”.
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I guess the BEATLES’ “My Michele” was outta da question?
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You might be right, Bob Dylan Etc., Etc., Ad Infinitum . . . you might (sic) win an argument with me (old Classical and Fiddle Drill) about ‘music appreciation’.
Depends, of course, how very loosely (broadly) one defines ‘music’.
For instance, you would definitely win the argument if you define ‘music’ to include the acoustic field generated by
1) stuffing the entire Philadelphia Phil-Harmonic Orchestra, plus instruments, plus conductor, plus ushers into a cargo box, catapulting it into LEO (Low Earth Orbit) on an Atlas rocket, and then having the range safety officer detonate the entire stack when it reaches apogee,
2) hooking up very sensitive microphones to the abdomen of a patient suffering from dysentery and juxtaposing those sounds with the greatly amplified and artificially accelerated sounds of millions of termites eating through a wooden structure,
3) forcing a large flock of chickens (tied up and restrained from fleeing or committing suicide and without anesthesia) to listen to Barack Obama, without a teleprompter, giving a major speech.
But I still stand in awe of your ‘elder statesmen of Rock’ phrase.
It is arresting and startling; classically brilliant and edgy.
Like saying ‘the Neanderthal Scientific Advisory Board’.
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I like rock music, but it’s kind of funny to see someone puffing his chest about his ability to discuss it. What a hilarious thing to get pompous about!
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Macrutabaga: Okay, maybe I AM pompous.
But, you gotta admit, I can sure pick a good rock group when I see it . . .
Nigel Tufnel: The numbers all go to eleven. Look, right across the board, eleven, eleven, eleven and…
Marty DiBergi: Oh, I see. And most amps go up to ten?
Nigel Tufnel: Exactly.
Marty DiBergi: Does that mean it’s louder? Is it any louder?
Nigel Tufnel: Well, it’s one louder, isn’t it? It’s not ten. You see, most blokes, you know, will be playing at ten. You’re on ten here, all the way up, all the way up, all the way up, you’re on ten on your guitar. Where can you go from there? Where?
Marty DiBergi: I don’t know.
Nigel Tufnel: Nowhere. Exactly. What we do is, if we need that extra push over the cliff, you know what we do?
Marty DiBergi: Put it up to eleven.
Nigel Tufnel: Eleven. Exactly. One louder.
Marty DiBergi: Why don’t you just make ten louder and make ten be the top number and make that a little louder?
Nigel Tufnel: [pause] These go to eleven. But the amplifier volume knob for my guitar does goes to eleven. Not ten. Eleven.
Shame what happened to our last drummer. He choked to death, you know . . .
David St. Hubbins… I must admit I’ve never heard anybody with that name.
David St. Hubbins: It’s an unusual name, well, he was an unusual saint, he’s not a very well known saint.
Marty DiBergi: Oh, there actually is, uh… there was a Saint Hubbins?
David St. Hubbins: That’s right, yes.
Marty DiBergi: What was he the saint of?
David St. Hubbins: He was the patron saint of quality footwear.
“Certainly, in the topsy-turvy world of heavy rock, having a good solid piece of wood in your hand is often useful.”
[Nigel, introducing the Stonehenge theme concert]
Nigel Tufnel: In ancient times, hundreds of years before the dawn of history, an ancient race of people… the Druids. No one knows who they were or what they were doing…
Lt. Hookstratten: May I start by saying how thrilled we are to have you here. We are such fans of your music and all of your records. I’m not speaking of yours personally, but the whole genre of the rock and roll.
[Asked by a reporter if this is the end of Spinal Tap]
David St. Hubbins: Well, I don’t really think that the end can be assessed as of itself as being the end because what does the end feel like? It’s like saying when you try to extrapolate the end of the universe, you say, if the universe is indeed infinite, then how – what does that mean? How far is all the way, and then if it stops, what’s stopping it, and what’s behind what’s stopping it? So, what’s the end, you know, is my question to you.
“As long as there’s, you know, sex and drugs, I can do without the rock and roll.”
David St. Hubbins: It’s such a fine line between stupid, and uh…
Nigel Tufnel: Clever.
David St. Hubbins: Yeah, and clever.
“Well, I’m sure I’d feel much worse if I weren’t under such heavy sedation”
“This tasteless cover is a good indication of the lack of musical invention within. The musical growth of this band cannot even be charted. They are treading water in a sea of retarded sexuality and bad poetry.”
Nigel Tufnel: That’s just nitpicking, isn’t it?
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Do you know what a statesman is? Oh, that’s right. You’re a lefty. It means whatever you say it is.
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I’ll have to confess, I don’t understand none of that.
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Chas: Sorry, I am now outed as a fan of Spinal Tap, probably the greatest (certainly the loudest) rock band of all time.
There was a very well done documentary on Spinal Tap (’rockumentary’) at least 25 years ago; I caught it by accident in a theater in Florida, when I was in training to be a buoy for the United States Navy.
This documentary pretty much said everything about rock and roll that ever needed to be said.
I would not recommend the documentary, however, because of the creative usage of some short Anglo-Saxon words by the members of Spinal Tap. They had some vocabulary issues.
It is very sad and tragic about all the drummers of Spinal Tap, though.
Rock and Roll certainly takes its toll.
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Whoa whoa, Drill. I haven’t read past the 1st line of 37 but I need to clarify that I was referring to the other guy. I’m enjoying your stuff here. Now, to read the rest of you post…
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or *your* post. Broken arm here–typing’s a challenge…
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Oh yeah, I’m a *HUGE* Spinal Tap fan. The other Guest, McKean, Shearer collaborations have been very good, too. Maybe not as “classic” as Tap, but A Mighty Wind was great–with quite a msucally talented cast. Gene Levy and Catherine O’Hara sound great together.
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Chas… I’m with you, but it made me laugh in a shake your head sort of way. I wonder what Drill consumes for breakfast? (After his Bible reading) What a fascinating repertoire of thoughts. Can you imagine what his dreams must be like! Wouldn’t it be fun to sit down with Drill in a face to face conversation. Somehow I don’t think I would talk much.
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I think I’ll just join Chas and ‘gunner on the sideline for this one. Watching hot water bottles being batted back and forth with bad-mitten rackets.
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I’ve never heard of the song “American Girl”. Is it really that famous?
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I’m just wondering why the Republicans don’t ask one of the “cross-over” Christian bands (not playing their Christian music, of course), or, like Chas suggested, some of the more conservative country-western performers.
Most rock stars are Liberals, and they’re rather out-to-lunch too.
But, I have to say, the first way I read this article was more on the monetary side myself. It sounds as if the Republicans are forgetting about copyright and the need to pay to use a song from a living artist.
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“It pleases me that Bachmann clearly has every Democrat from Obama on down to REDWALL shivering in desperate terror and sweating bullets”
I am not a Democrat though I will vote for Obama if the Republican party nominates Michelle Bachmann or any other Tea Party anti-government extremist.
And I think you should be required to cite 1 example of a Democrat who is “shivering in desperate terror and sweating bullets” about the likelihood of Obama losing to Michelle Bachmann?! Seriously, find us just one.
I suppose it’s possible of course to interpret the derisive laughter and the sarcastic encouragement for her I read on liberal blogs as masking a hidden fear. But if Democrats are secretly hiding the fact that they are “shivering in desperate terror and sweating bullets” than they must be the best poker players (all of them) that our country can produce. They are holding it together remarkably well, and that alone should be evidence that they can pull a win off against her!
And why should they be afraid?! RCP has aggregated polling that puts Obama 16 pts ahead of a potential Bachmann rivalry on average (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_bachmann_vs_obama-1941.html).
Is it early in the race? Yes.
Can a whole world of unexpected things happen between now and November 2012? Yes.
But 16 is an awful lot of points! AN AWFUL LOT OF POINTS!!!
And yes Bachmann’s name recognition will go up. But for a woman who regularly out gaffs Biden and claimed she had the spirit of “Killer Clown” John Wayne Gacy in her soul, that’s just not as encouraging as it should be!
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#28: I remember Rush playing an excerpt from an interview someone else did with Chrissy Hynde in which she expressed mild surprise about the fuss people were making about him using The Pretenders’ song as his opening theme. She said something like “I’ve never listened to him, but my parents love him so he can’t be all that bad.”
Maybe she learned more about him later and joined the fuss? I don’t know. But either way, I’m sure she continued speaking to and loving her parents, and to my knowledge never sent a ‘cease and desist’ letter to Rush. He’s still using the tune, in any event.
And I doubt she is motivated by the financial reward of that to continue allowing him to do so. She has royalties coming in from all over the place and doesn’t need Rush’s help!
Final thought: Let’s be cautious about divining the motives of another person from afar. That’s akin to name-calling: baseless, inflammatory, and diversionary.
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Redwal: Why do you think that Bachmann is an “anti-government extremist”? And why would you vote for Obama?
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“But for a woman who regularly out gaffs Biden and claimed she had the spirit of “Killer Clown” John Wayne Gacy in her soul, that’s just not as encouraging as it should be!”
She misspoke a town name and from that you extrapolate all that?
You protest that you’re not a Democrat, but you expect us to believe that when you call Bachmann a tea-party extremist, and make crap up?
Please. You’re fooling no one but yourself.
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“And why would you vote for Obama?”
The anti-Tea Party rhetoric gives it away. He’s a Democrat shill…
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Here’s a quote from Mike Huckabee, upon whose slight slip of the lip the media love to pounce.
Pathetic. And pretty well disgusting…
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48. I used to actually believe the fictional media’s portrayal of liberals as naive but well meaning nice people. But it’s junk like that that shows me how malicious and evil y’all can really be.
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Macrutabaga: I sort of figured that (#41) but I just selfishly wanted to use something as a springboard (or an excuse) to load the thread down with Spinal Tap quotes.
You cannot (as I am sure you would agree) do better than Spinal Tap, at least when lampooning the pretensions and absurdities of rock and roll. I had heard they were going to make a sequel of Spinal Tap (lampooning the geriatric rock and roll bands still out there – complete with walkers and wheelchairs and oxygen bottles).
I wonder what ever came of that.
Neil Evans: I don’t know about my capability for scintillating conversation. It is not something that I have ever heard anyone remark on.
But I will practice on my dogs and get back to everybody on that. True fact: I have one dog that, when I talk – or especially play the piano, which I can do in a sort of loud, obnoxious, honky-tonk fashion – literally lies down on the ground on her side, scrunches up her face, closes her eyes as tightly as possible, and covers her ears with her paws.
You can see that it is not very encouraging.
My dogs do not worry much about my self-esteem, I have noticed.
They obviously would not make very good music journalists.
Fortunately, though, we have Bob Dylan Forgot His Sheet Music Again to keep us abreast of the exciting developments in that most excellent and admirable and objectively nuanced field.
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“And I think you should be required to cite 1 example of a Democrat who is “shivering in desperate terror and sweating bullets” about the likelihood of Obama losing to Michelle Bachmann?! Seriously, find us just one.”
I think we’re done here.
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Sammy Hagar considers it an honor when presidential candidates use his music and that’s either party and he is a Conservative. Sounds like a case of Old American Patriotism and a brain.
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Redwal, like all the other servile tools of the Left-wing Machine, is resorting to exactly the same kind of slander and lies that were directed against Sarah Palin early on. His incredible and baseless and evil post is right out of the playbook of the Left and its usual prostitutes in the controlled media and in Hollywood – no facts, just malice and fictions, endlessly repeated as in # 48 by the unthinking morons who make up the brainless and amoral soldiery of the Left. No lie is too extreme, no obscenity too crass. And already, the Left is moving rapidly to attack Bachmann’s family and children.
The Left (both elites who control the State and Media and its servile croaking toads in the populace who post lies) is clearly and absolutely out of control; it has declared total war on every decent man, woman, and child in America. The Left is an evil and stench-ridden cancer festering and growing in the body of the Republic.
The proper response to haters and liars like Redwal in #48 is complete contempt by all, of whatever political persuasion.
Man, to second KBells, you really and fully realize the complete depravity and Orc-like character of the Left, when you read a post like #48.
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We need Ron Paul the only Honest Candidate who will keep his Oath to the Constitution and this country.
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As Christians we can’t turn our Christianity on and off like a water faucet whenever it suits us. We are supposed to align ourselves with people that will represent our Faith Held Beliefs. Whether those people are popular or not. Christ should always come first. That’s how the Gay Marriage Bill Passed in NY. There was one Senator from the Bronx that voted against and he was a Democrat. He said, “I have to put my faith held beliefs first.” Now that’s a Senator I can respect. Well I want a President I can respect and so far Ron Paul is the only one that fits the ticket. He may not be as popular as the other “Stars” like Michelle, but he’s got more integrity and honesty then them.
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60 posts and still many here don’t understand or respect property rights and copyright. You can’t use a song as theme music unless you ask permission and pay the royalty even a socialist like me understands that. And i believe this isn’t the first time conservatives have been reprimanded for playing music without permission. Bachmann isn’t being picked on — she didn’t respect basic property rights and is getting called on it.
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And if you believe the objection is about intellectual property rights, I have a bridge in the flatlands to sell you.
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Seems like maybe Petty should be paying the Bachmann campaign big bucks for advertizing and reinvigorating interest in his song.
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Tom Petty is doing just fine. I’m quite sure he’s indifferent to any interest in his songs generated (or not) by the Bachmann campaign.
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whether or not property rights is his motivation, the fact that using a song for theme music without permission is violation of property rights is the basis for his objection. Clearly the correct thing to do is ask permission and if granted pay royalties.
Perhaps it renew interest in this song and an artist may consider this when debating whether to grant permission but its his permission to grant whatever his motivation. For people to be upset when he objects to his property being used without his permission is ludicrous. Do posters here not respect property rights? Bachmann should be reprimanded by those who respect property rights for her use of this song without permission.
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If the best Bush could get is Wayne Newton then that’s more Bush’s fault than anything. As other posters pointed out there are plenty of country artists who are right-leaning and wouldn’t hesitate to seize on the free publicity of performing for a potential president of the United States. A quick google search turns up:
Danny Elfman
Nearl Peart (of Rush)
Kid Rock
James Hetfield (of Metallica)
Jessica Simpson
50 Cent
Prince
Gloria Estefan
Hillary Duff
“Lots of country artists”
I mean, his party was in Austin. He couldn’t get some country artist to come play Austin?
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Drill, post 58 looks to me like it’s way over the line of rules for this blog. (It’s also stronger than the post you’re replying to.)
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67. Cheryl.
“But for a woman who regularly out gaffs Biden and claimed she had the spirit of “Killer Clown” John Wayne Gacy in her soul, that’s just not as encouraging as it should be!”
I beg to disagree with you.
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DRILL, … “Farm out.” Black Bird singin’
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CHERYL 67, you can’t be serious. Who died? I hope you reported it.
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#63 was supposed to be a joke.
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Louise, thanks, but Cheryl D. is probably right.
I should really not go so hard on Orcs. They are worthy of some empathy. My sincere and heartfelt apologies.
Seriously, and unfortunately, Cheryl D., I disagree with you. While one may agree or disagree with Bachmann politically, Redwal’s smear was a lie, and a most contemptible lie at that.
If you feel it warranted, contact the moderator; if I am going to be banned for something, by all means let it be for speaking the plain truth about a vile bit of slander like that.
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Have you read about and/or seen the documentary on Palin? The remarks of the Hollywood people support Drill’s response.
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I never liked Tom Petty’s music. He can’t really sing you know. It is more of a whine like squeezing a cat or like Bob Dylan. Mimicking distressed animals isn’t really an art form is it? What does have PETA have to say about it?
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#48 RedWal “And yes Bachmann’s name recognition will go up. But for a woman who regularly out gaffs Biden and claimed she had the spirit of “Killer Clown” John Wayne Gacy in her soul, that’s just not as encouraging as it should be!”
All politicians make gaffes, but no one out gaffes Biden. Obama provides enough material for Letterman to run a nightly gaffe and mock him like he did Bush many times over.
What is going on here is one candidate, the most powerful man on the planet with his finger on the end-of-the-world button who has stolen billions from the US Treasury to finance his campaign and owns the state run television and essentially all of the major news networks. He put the head of GE/MSNBC on his staff. His wife thanks the media for their kindness, bought and paid for.
What has Bachmann got? A few kids writing speeches who flunked history. Even in her rebuttal the the SOTU address nobody showed her how to look into the camera. It is not a sign of stupidity, but a lack of funds and polish. But I find it all endearing, like a Davy and Goliath story. It is a mom against the Prince of Darkness who has the whole world at his fingertips.
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XION, I’m not a big Bachmann fan, but for the record, she was indeed looking directly into HER camera – just not the sliming one specifically aimed to record her from the side to make her look bad. Or did I misunderstand your comment on that.
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The truth is that Bachmann got her John Waynes mixed up — she made a gaffe. How is that worse than your Obamessiah not knowing how many states there are? Yet, you keep it up and at the same time claim you don’t suffer from BDS.
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77. She did not get her John Waynes mixed up. She got her towns mixed up. It was a coincidence that Gacy lived in that town for a short time
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“All politicians make gaffes, but no one out gaffes Biden.”
boy. You can say that again.
All politicians make gaffes, but no one out gaffes Biden.
And did I mention that no one can out gaffe Biden?
Redwal’s assertion lacks any merit whatsoever. I think we can safely ignore his partisan hack attacks…
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NO ONE.
Biden is such a loose cannon they have to clear the decks anytime he’s aboard….
He doesn’t just make a small mistake about town names or the number of states in the union either. He makes MAJOR policy gaffes…
Redwall is totally discredited on this one.
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Actually, Cheryl D. made me go back and self-inspect my posts on this thread. She is a wise woman, and is generally right.
However, I stand 100% behind the post that she objects to (calling out Redwal for his smear and for the motivations and evil intent behind it).
It is time for the convenient fiction that the Left is composed of (mainly and basically) ‘good people’, albeit somewhat deluded, be dropped.
The Leftwing propaganda, hate, and smear machine which straddles this country is is the largest, most virulent, most malicious, and most evil such entity ever to befoul history. It has been allowed free reign to smear good people (including their children) for far too long.
It is time that these witting liars be called liars, right from the beginning. That will not shut off the spewing sewer pipe of their slander – but then it will not allow them to hide behind our convenient (and comforting) fiction that they are – somehow – simply ‘basically good people’, ignorantly repeating false things.
Remember that these are people who wittingly and in full knowledge of what they do, support and celebrate and enable the genocide of children, as well as the perversion of marriage.
Slander and lies and obscenities are merely passing misdemeanors for them.
However:
I am sorry for my post number #18 (regarding Bob Dylan Doesn’t Think Very Much of You’s remark about the ‘elder statesmen of Rock’. That post was not very nice, and not true. There were a number of scientific errors propagated in that post – and I fear that my motives for propagating them were not the best.
For instance, it takes more than one neuron to oversee digestion, even in a Leftist.
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OLASKY . . over-reported multiday scandals about how she’s the stupidest person alive.
Actually, Liberal Media is reporting that Bachmann is smart.
JOEL MARK Petty sounds like a whiner who exemplifie his last name in this case.
ad hominem
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Why does Bachmann employ a little-girl tone of voice? It’s not just a regional accent, and it expresses something about psychology.
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“Give me the songs of a nation and it matters not who writes its laws.”
The voice that sings them matters to me.
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Olasky: “The demand may not be more evidence of liberalism’s Bachman Derangement Syndrome.”
Or maybe it’s evidence that Tom Petty wrote the song, owns the copyright and has every right to ask that someone not use it in a way that implies his endorsement.
What is the sense of entitlement that makes Bachmann or Olasky think that she has the right to use a song in a way the creator/owner of the song doesn’t want it used?
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NJL: The truth is that Bachmann got her John Waynes mixed up — she made a gaffe. How is that worse than your Obamessiah not knowing how many states there are? Yet, you keep it up and at the same time claim you don’t suffer from BDS.
Do you really think Obama doesn’t know how many states there are? Seriously?
If that’s the best argument you have, you have no argument.
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Better not screw up some words due to your exhausting schedule, because then overweight, undereducated people will eviscerate you on internet message boards.
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86. And do you really think Bachmann can’t tell John Wayne from John Wayne Gacy apart? We generally only bring up the 57 states thing up when the left tries to do something like that.
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Next time, KBELLS, bring up a thing that Obama doubles down on when he’s caught lying, just like Bachmann
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Scroop-89
Obama more than double downs on this lie: “If you like your insurance, if you like your doctor, you can can it and him or her”. A bold-faced lie everytime he says it. People are already being facing losing their insurance as companies are looking to go with the “government option”. NO CHOICE.
This is our tyrant in charge telling lies to the willing idiots that voted for him. And now doctors and medical insurance companies are waking up. Even the bought and paid for AARP is starting to sing a different tune.
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Dan: A bold-faced lie everytime he says it. People are already being facing losing their insurance as companies are looking to go with the “government option”. NO CHOICE.
What?
There IS no “government option.” That got taken out of the bill during the debate in Congress before it passed. The final version that Obama signed doesn’t have it.
Try again?
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Google “Obama lies” and you get over 60 million. Give me one Bachman lie and I will give you a couple of equivalent Obama lies.
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Yeah. Let’s try again.
It’s pretty pathetic that the other side of the aisle is grasping at the straws of this argument. If a mistaken town name (not a mistaken identity) is all they’ve got on Michelle Bachmann to try to paint her as a bubblehead, then they’ve clearly reached the bottom of the barrel.
Y’know liberals, democrats and muckraking media, when you find yourself in the bottom of a hole, then you need to lay aside your shovel and quit digging…
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#76 Louise, Are you saying that Bachmann was looking into one of the cameras to give her rebuttal, but that the media purposely used the other cameras to intentionally make her look bad?
I hadn’t heard that. I did a little rummaging around and sure enough, she WAS talking into a camera. According to this she was looking at the Tea Party Express camera, not the media pool camera.
Why weren’t all the cameras situated at the same angle? Why didn’t the media adjust? They were probably enjoying the show, trying to make her look like a dufus. SNL ran a skit about it. Character assassination is always the Democratic Party’s primary campaign strategy.
They will run day and night on the singular subject of how stupid Republicans are, because they cannot run on their record.
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BrotherDAN — The government isn’t forcing people to change providers and insurance companies. The marketplace does that. The government is helping people keep providers and insurance which they would otherwise lose.
Nobody should have any trouble understanding this, least of all Evangelicals who accept all manner of interpretive reconcilliations that are necessary to keep the Bible from collapsing.
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MiM: If a mistaken town name (not a mistaken identity) is all they’ve got on Michelle Bachmann to try to paint her as a bubblehead, then they’ve clearly reached the bottom of the barrel.
It’s far from the only thing, it’s just the latest in a long list of things.
I wonder how long you had to dig for that one…
You’ve still got to go a long way before you can convince me that she’s a bubblehead.
And that’s what this is all about. If you want to paint her as a bubblehead, then you’ve got to admit that Joe Biden is an absolute idiot who has no business being a heartbeat away from the presidency, much less that incompetent nincompoop that occupies the office now…
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Mere quibbling from the left. Unlike Obama (and Biden, who could single-handedly keep SNL or Jon Stewart in material for years) I haven’t seen Bachman say or do anything outrageous. But if she stays in the race, it only goes downhill from here. Before long, Democrat foot soldiers will likely be pressing their noses against her kitchen windows and digging through her trash cans. When they turn up evidence of nothing more interesting than irregular periods, they’ll start on her children. And I don’t expect decency or even legality from them. It’s all about the end result for these guys.
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According to the leftist rag Time Magazine, 7 out of the top 10 gaffes in 2009 were by Democrats.
The funniest gaffe in the history of America was when …
Ahahahahahahahahaha! That’s hilarious!
Obama doesn’t know how many states there are. He thought Austrian was a language. He said, “What I was suggesting — you’re absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith…”.
He said, “Listen, Abraham Lincoln helped build the interstate, er the intercontinental railroad in the middle of the Civil War because he understood this was going to be important.”
He said, “On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes — and I see many of them in the audience here today…”
He said, “Hold on one second, sweetie, we’re going to do — we’ll do a press avail…” –to a female reporter for ABC’s Detroit affiliate…”
He said that white people “get bitter, they cling to guns or religion”. He called his grandmother a typical white person.
He said, “In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died — an entire town destroyed.” –on a Kansas tornado that killed 12 people” (ref)
And on and on and on and on … for the most part all buried …
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Here are a set of gaffes by Bachmann, Obama and Biden. You be the judge of which are worse.
Obama makes gaffes nearly every day. He said the atomic bomb was dropped on Pearly Harbor. But little is made of Obama’s outright lies, such as Selma Alabama being the impetus for his parents marriage and birth of Barack in 1961, even thought Selma happened in 1965. He said that his grandfather liberated Auschwitz even though that was done not by America, but by the Red Army. And so on …
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Of course, all of those things are petty (ha, ha, pun intended). Why won’t the media take on the real issues, like Obama’s war on prosperity, his killing of the manned space program. His tendency to disappear or blame shift during a crisis. His blatant hypocrisy. His numerous failed campaign promises. A failed economy. Stimulus packages which only stimulate his cronies. Illegal wars. Environmental disasters. Less energy independence. Higher debt. And general financial chaos and mayhem.
None of this is of any concern to the main stream media who adore Obama like a god. His wife Michelle thanked the media for their kindness.
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The fact that Xion can’t get enough of his little fact re-imagining regrading M. Obama should be enough to convince us not to take him seriously.
Like Dennis Hopper in Blue Velvet, he sucks ferociously at the lies flowing through his oxygen mask, becoming ever more manic and deliriously perverse. It is terrifying, yet I can’t look away.
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regrading = regarding
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102. In other words “Na na na, I can hear you.”
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Xion (101):
Obama has killed the manned space program?
1. When?
2. And why would that be a bad thing?
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I’m just trying to be sound like Drill. And, no, that’s not “na na na”. Look closer.
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This is why Xion’s false equivalencies don’t hold up.
Obama doesn’t know how many states there are. He thought Austrian was a language. He said, “What I was suggesting — you’re absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith…”.
He said, “Listen, Abraham Lincoln helped build the interstate, er the intercontinental railroad in the middle of the Civil War because he understood this was going to be important.”
He said, “On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes — and I see many of them in the audience here today…”
He said, “Hold on one second, sweetie, we’re going to do — we’ll do a press avail…” –to a female reporter for ABC’s Detroit affiliate…”
He said that white people “get bitter, they cling to guns or religion”. He called his grandmother a typical white person.
He said, “In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died — an entire town destroyed.” –on a Kansas tornado that killed 12 people” (ref)
1. Nobody seriously believes Obama doesn’t know how many states there are hard. He answered a question off the cuff, stumbled into an inaccuracy, corrected himself and laughed about it later.
2. Don’t know about the reference to Austrian.
3. Another simple mis-speak, as the silly stories about Obama being a secret Muslim were rife at the time.
4. With Lincoln you have an example of Obama correcting himself in the moment. It’s hardly a “gaffe” if you catch yourself while you’re saying it and correct yourself.
5. And then you have a simple bit of inelegance with pronoun-antecedent agreement. I am guessing he meant to honor people in the military, those who had fallen in duty and those who were currently serving, and it was the latter he was seeing in the audience.
6. Sounds a little patronizing if the quote is accurate, but it’s not an error of fact.
7. The “bitter” comment is not an error of fact, it’s an opinion. And one I agree with. You might not. That’s why it’s called an opinion.
8. The “typical white person” comment also make perfect sense in comment. He was simply saying his grandmother held views and attitudes that were common in her time. The full quote:
The right made much of this and the “bitter” comment in an effort to gin up some faux outrage, but didn’t get very far.
9. Wow, one genuine gaffe in all your efforts.
So Obama misspeaks, corrects himself when speaking off the cuff, acknowledges his errors and moves on. Bachmann makes factually incorrect statements in prepared comments and, when pressed, refuses to back off of them.
Your attempt to show an equivalence fails.
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She’s got my vote if she gets the nomination. She won’t appoint communists and Maoists to positions of power….And her mentor isn’t a loudmouthed, raving racist. Just those two things positively demonstrate that her judgment and character dwarf Obama’s.
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107. You are probably right about most of these but the point we are trying to make is that when a Republicans makes a similar mistake they are accused of channeling mass murderers.
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And let’s also remember we are comparing someone doing an off the cuff interview to someone who couldn’t order a hamburger without his teleprompter.
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Xion: None of this is of any concern to the main stream media who adore Obama like a god. His wife Michelle thanked the media for their kindness.
We discussed this when it happened. Mrs. Obama was specifically and solely referring to the media’s “kindness” in leaving the Obama children, ages 10 and 13, alone.
She was not referring to “kindness” in coverage of the president’s performance or policies.
When you first brought this up it was possible you were simply mistaken or misconstruing the comment. Now that it has been discussed and the context made clear, to repeat it like this with a deliberate attempt to pretend it means something other than it did, is lying.
You, sir, are a liar.
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KBells: You are probably right about most of these but the point we are trying to make is that when a Republicans makes a similar mistake they are accused of channeling mass murderers.
Hardly. When a Republican confuses an iconic actor with a serial killer, in a prepared statement that could and should have been fact-checked. it shows a serious disregard for accuracy.
That doesn’t amount to a double-standard. Democrats are pilloried for miststatements every bit as much as Republicans. It’s just that super-partisans count on victimization as part of their argument and so have to pretend there is a conspiracy against them of which “the media” (always said as if it were one thing) is a big part.
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She did not confuse an iconic actor with a serial killer. She confused two towns in the same state with similar names. The media dug up the far fetched John Wayne Gacy connection to make her look bad.
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Oh, I see. Her confusion was Waterloo and Winterset (the actor’s hometown), not John Wayne and John Wayne Gacy. Because Waterloo and Winterset start with the same letter and have two syllables (really not very similar at all), she can’t keep them straight. She claims Waterloo is her own hometown … are we sure she’s correct about that? Maybe she’s really from Woodbine.
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114. Whatever. Hang on to your bias if you wish.
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We’re talking about her own home town. How likely is it, really, that she confused her own home town with another town hundreds of miles away that, rather than being similar in name as you said, really shares nothing more than the initial letter?
It’s like being from Montgomery, Ala., and expressing pride that you share your hometown with Jimmy Buffett (who is really from Mobile.) Even if she wasn’t confusing the actor with the murderer, you’d think she’d have a better grasp of who is and isn’t from her own hometown.
It’s not a bias, it’s a reasonable conclusion. And if it were the only time she’d done it’d have been as trivial as Obama’s reference to “57 states.” But it’s just the latest in a pattern of confusing things.
I do not think they’re the kind of errors that necessarily disqualify her from the presidency, but come on, let’s not pretend she doesn’t make them.
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Q: Whats the difference between God and Obama?
A: God doesn’t think He’s Obama.
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Q: Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, a WISE-OLD Democrat, and a drunk are walking together down the street, when they spot a $100 bill on the road. Who do you think got it?
A: The drunk obviously. The other three are all mythological creatures.
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I see the thread has unraveled.
OK, Debra …
A man is driving down a country road when he chances across a roadside stand with a sign reading: “Republican puppies, free to good home.” He sees the puppies and the little girl trying to give them away, and drives home chuckling.
A few days later he’s on the same road and sees the same stand, same little girl and same puppies, but now the sign reads: “Democrat puppies, free to good home.”
He pulls over and asks the girl, “Didn’t this sign say these were ‘Republican puppies’ last time I was here?”
“Yes sir,” she replies.
“Well, why are they Democrats now?”
“Because,” she explained, “Now their eyes are open.”
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Ha. I heard that one when I was a kid–only with religious denominations rather than political labels.
But speaking of puppies:
Q: What’s the difference between a liberal and a puppy?
A: The puppy stops whining when it grows up.
hehehehe
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