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Online poll: Who won Saturday’s GOP presidential debate?
Did you watch Saturday night’s GOP presidential debate on foreign policy that aired on CBS? If you did, let us know who you think won in our unscientific online poll.
Also, in the comments section below, let us know your thoughts on the candidates and the debate co-sponsored by National Journal and the South Carolina Republican Party and hosted by Wofford College in Spartanburg, S.C.
Topic: Campaign 2012, News Desk
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I was online looking for the official CBS news online poll of who won the debate tonight, when I came across your poll. I am a Ron Paul supporter, and so of course I voted for Ron Paul in your poll. It’s interesting to note, though, that I saw a story online that Ron Paul supporters had overwhelmingly voted for Ron Paul in the official CBS news online poll, so they removed the poll from the internet – with no explanation. I wonder why the media seems to be trying to black out Ron Paul?
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Patrick,
Forget about it. It never happened.
“Ron” who?
/sarcasm
And my fellow conservatives have the nerve to rail about the “liberal” media?
It’s actually the statist media. They simply choose not to acknowledge the fact.
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I have not voted because I only saw the second half hour of the program. During that time, Ron Paul answered strongly against torture. I think that’s about all he got to say.
If this is so that CBS removed the poll, then we are in great danger in this society. This is something that should concern us all. They want him silenced.
I still do not like Jon Huntsman at all as I have said before. There’s just something about him. Bachmann looked professional with her hair up. Perry was able to laugh at himself, Gingrich did very well — I liked it when he refused to answer a question. And Romney seemed “presidential.”
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I didn’t get to see much of the debate, but Gingrich sounded intelligent as usual.
It is disturbing that Ron Paul gets locked out so much. I suspect the party bosses have decided that they will not allow him to rise or fall on his own merits…lest perchance he rise and not fall, if ya know what I mean.
Still don’t like Cain.
Perry survived the brain freeze of last debate, but he sounds less fluent than the others. He still can’t hold a candle to Gingrich. [It's depressing to think we're probably choosing a president based on his tv performance. No wonder actors fare better.]
Huntsman might as well be a Democrat as far as I can tell.
Romney’s hair was perfect as usual.
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And my usual one and two picks (Bachman and Santorum) were much, much too hawkish for me. Unlike many other people, I really don’t miss Dubya—certainly not his foreign policy.
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So, are you saying the party bosses are colluding with CBS?
I miss Dubya’s sense of humor. He was friendly and I think that whole family is just nice.
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Romney’s hair was not “perfect as usual” at the debate before this one and I was a little surprised no one mentioned that. But everyone else’s hairs were all in place as usual.
I only saw the first 60 minutes and haven’t voted yet.
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He is a handsome man and so is Perry.
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Is that too conspiratorial? Perhaps. But big business and power have a way of running in the same channels. And I see very little reason to believe that both parties are not pretty much bought up by the money that owns big business. Though big businesses may have diverging interests, I think they all fear a Paul presidency. It’s one reason I am not too hard on him…and it appeals to the tiny bit of contrarian in me. :–)
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Ron Paul supporters had overwhelmingly voted for Ron Paul in the official CBS news online poll, so they removed the poll from the internet – with no explanation.
I’ll give you some explanation. Paul supporters are highly organized and executed a group effort to participate in that particular poll, just as they have the ones here at World Mag, thereby destroying those poll’s ability to measure general opinion. Since the poll was no longer valid CBS removed it.
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I never said you were wrong, Debra. I think you hit the nail on the head, actually.
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Yeah, you keep thinking that, Buddy.
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Debra & NJL,
CBS is taking some heat from several of the campaigns & candidates: GOP Candidates Blast CBS News for ‘Disgraceful’ Bias at South Carolina Debate
The Bachmann campaign inadvertently received a CBS email which essentially admitted that they weren’t going to give her much speaking time.
And this is from Ron Paul spokesman Jesse Benton:
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You mean I saw everthing Ron Paul said in that one half hour????
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Frank, I googled “CBS poll on GOP debate” and this thread showed up, so this is the place to make Paul’s points.
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Here is the National Journal website used to view last night’s debate, in which the eight candidates participated in the CBS News/National Journal national security/foreign policy debate.
About halfway down the page are “FOREIGN POLICY DOSSIERS” for the candidates.
Oops!
I meant, “‘FOREIGN POLICY DOSSIERS’ for seven of the eight candidates who participated.”
Any guesses whose dossier National Journal didn’t post?
Interestingly, however, some moderately web-savvy Ron Paul fan (no, not me) figured out that all he had to do was follow the same url format for the other candidates’ dossiers, but just substitute Ron Paul’s name in the url:
http://nationaljournal.com/2012-election/foreign-policy-dossier-ron-paul-20111112
So lo and behold, there is a National Journal Foreign Policy Dossier for Ron Paul … they just didn’t link to it.
Tired of managed “news” yet, folks?
Also, do you see what I mean about the lamestream media being statist and not “liberal”?
The media love war. They are simply taking measures to minimize public exposure of the one GOP candidate with a non-interventionist foreign policy.
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Sorry, forgot a link above:
“Here is the National Journal website used to view last night’s debate … “
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And lastly, here’s an interesting Reuters story from earlier this week:
Fed up! McCain predicts rise of third political party
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The reason Ron Paul is blacked out of the media is mainly because of his stand on the Federal Reserve. Many people don’t know why this matters. In a nutshell, the Federal Reserve is not a Federal agency like most of us think.
**It is a banking Cartel made of privately owned banks many off shore. It has no Congressional over site. They operate in secrecy.
**The Federal Reserve is in partnership with the United States Government.
**Who benefits from this partnership and how?
Through the printing of fake money, the Banks are able to collect interest on money that never existed. Quite a deal.
**How our corrupt Government benefits:
Through the agreement that the Banking Cartel can create unsound money, the U.S. Government is able to receive a virtually unlimited amount of loans through which they indirectly tax all people through inflation without the citizenry ever realizing it and jeopardizing their re-election efforts. Inflation=a stealth tax. Rising prices are the result of inflation. Inflation is when our money is devalued. The Middle class and the poor are hit the hardest because pay the highest percentage of their income to the government in this manner.
How do the people benefit? We don’t. We are being systematically robbed blind. Our outcome is eventual poverty.
It is the largest tax ever levied on the American People.
That is the simple explanation. This has been going on since the Fed was created in 1910 and pushed off on the American people in 1913. ALL the candidates on stage last night know this. Only one will talk about it. The Federal Reserve is the cancer that must be dug out. Democrats and Republicans are the same in Washington. They all want to keep their power. They can not do that without an unlimited money supply. They can’t tax us openly and directly in the amounts necessary to keep their power. If they tried they would be thrown out of office in a heartbeat and the people would really revolt. So they print the money they need and we pay for it. The powers in the Republican Party and the Democratic Party know this. They can not afford to allow you the voter to listen to Ron Paul. The other seven candidates are following the directives of the party. Don’t let the parties and the media and the corporate interests tell you who to vote for. Don’t take my word for it. Google, read and research all that you can. Do not let the topic intimidate you! It is to the benefit of the corrupt to make you think it’s too complicated for you to understand. Even I understand it! Google G. Edward Griffin, The Creature From Jekyll Island for a very easy to understand background on The Fed. You will find him discussing this on youtube.
“The refusal of King George to allow the colonies to operate an honest monetary system, which freed the common man from the clutches of the money manipulators was probably the prime cause of the Revolution.” Benjamin Franklin
Remember, it is our responsibility to be informed and to stand up against tyranny.
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These debates aren’t actual debates. Nothing is debated. They are served up absurd gotcha questions or asked to solve the world’s economic crisis in 30 seconds and then the moderator spends the next 30 seconds trying to get the candidate to stop talking.
If Republicans were smart they would dispense with the media snipers and have actual debates about actual ideas. Americans never hear why liberal ideas fail. Americans have forgotten what liberty actually means and how progressive policies rob us of our freedoms.
A majority of voters are terrified of independence, of rising or falling by their own means. Most want an entity larger than themselves to care for them, but they don’t count the cost.
Given any problem, most people will say, “The government ought to (fill in the blank).” That is the cancer. People used to say, “Let us (fill in the blank)”, but no one says that any more.
As Hayek says, “We’re all socialists now”. Instead of debates, the candidates should be given a chance to talk about where America needs to be in five or ten years. We need energy and a new energy infrastructure. Instead of a war on prosperity, we should lay the groundwork for being as prosperous as a nation as humanly possible. And so on …
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I just want to point out that it is the libertarian candidate in that “debate” that was calling for rule of law. Many accuse libertarians as being anti-government, etc, but the fact is we are against big government that has no respect for the governed, and based on that “debate,” we care more for rule of law than those who want to use the government as a tool for either neoliberal or neoconservative social engineering.
It was sad that Congressman Paul got less than six minutes of speaking time. Part of me hopes Paul wins simply to drive the media nuts.
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Cinder, I approve of your last sentence in #19 most heartily.
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Cinder: Thank you for your post – very enlightening.
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Any guesses whose dossier National Journal didn’t post?
Why would they write it and not post it?
Why would they link to it from the other candidates’ dossiers (e.g. Mitt Romney’s)?
Sure seems to be an oversight. If they really wanted to ignore Paul they would…ignore Paul. Not write a dossier at all, or, if they did, not link to it from the other candidate pages.
That said, pretty incompetent on their part.
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Furthermore, if you click here:
http://nationaljournal.com/whitehouse
You’ll notice Paul’s foreign policy dossier is included with the others.
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It is true what they said about the STATIST media/pravda, being the Gatekeepers Of The Establishment. Ron Paul was being ignored, ONLY 90 SECONDS WAS GIVEN TO HIM because like Coca-Cola he is the real thing. Ron Paul will be their buzz kill and put and end to their goodies. Push Ron Paul, on facebook, youtube, twitter or whatever creative way you can get the message out, maybe even local radio and local news channels. Even if for some reason he doesnt win Ron Paul, will be my President/ Commander In Chief elected or not. OH YEAH, CBS, Ron Paul might have had only 90 seconds thanks to your OBVIOUSLY PLANNED OUTCOME but he will still win, WE THE PEOPLE are not as stupid as you think.
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Is anyone tracking the ex Louisiana Gov Buddy Romer?
Is he this years Kucinich or Mike Gravel?
Quite Quixotic!!
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#26 and others, Planned outcome is correct. Fair and impartial media = what a joke. Bachmann seems to have brought it to light, so we will see how the fair and impartial media responds.
She had her hair up, his hair was perfect, or he’s good looking has zero influence to me. I want our tax system gone. So that gives me Bachmann, Cain. Perry. Zero foreign aid gives me Perry and Paul. I do not want another politician, this leaves Newt and Mitt out. Cain Perry Bachmann Paul are left. So right now I’ll have Bachman as Vice Pres. and Cain or Perry Pres.
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How do I decide, if one guy is asked only one question?
I’ll give the nod to Perry.
How can anyone complain about Cain’s lack of foreign policy knowledge, when the country voted for Obama, who had even less?
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So, somebody puts up a poll, knowing full well that anyone can respond to it, and then takes it down because they do not like the responses that come in? That is bizarre.
Don’t the supporters of the other candidates have the ability to do the same thing? Why don’t Bachmann’s or Perry’s people invade all the polls and cause them to win? It seems strange that Ron Paul is the one and only candidate that people are willing to do that for. Maybe it means something.
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But you shouldn’t have to go look for it, now should you? Be honest, just once.
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I don’t think there is an invasion either.
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NJL, I’m not following you. Sorry. Call me dense. I agree that people should be honest. I can say that I have never voted in a poll that I had no knowledge of. I can also say that I have never voted twice.
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BuddyGlass: I’ll give you some explanation. Paul supporters are highly organized and executed a group effort to participate in that particular poll, just as they have the ones here at World Mag, thereby destroying those poll’s ability to measure general opinion. Since the poll was no longer valid CBS removed it.
I doubt that’s it. Online polls are meaningless anyway since they’re not controlled. They don’t provide any useful information even under the best of circumstances.
What I question is whether the idea that Paul supporters overwhelmed it is even true. People seem to be assuming it is, based on the first comment in the thread, which is sourced vaguely to “a story online.” We have no way of gauging the accuracy or reliability of the claim.
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Pat Buchanan talks sense re. the US and Iran’s “nuclear program.”
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… or should I say “the US, Israel and Iran’s ‘nuclear program’”?
Hi Everyone,
The RNC has been complicit in the marginalization of Dr. Paul, as well as the media blackout. We all know this. I have set up a little website to bring attention to this fact and to help Dr. Paul. It is not the kind of thing he would do (in fact he couldn’t even acknowledge it without being summarily expelled from the GOP), but it IS the kind of thing I would do, ESPECIALLY after the last debate where Dr. Paul got a whole 90 seconds to speak. This must stop and by God it WILL stop, and YOU’RE going to help me stop it!
Go to http://RonPaulPromise.com and sign up please, and spread the word. I set up the site myself it has no ads and no profit, just a labor of love in defense of Dr. Paul.
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